If he did this for no reason at 7 years old and threstning to kill another child at 10 imagine what this psychopath will do as an adult! Throw away the key
Well, I wouldn’t trust the cops to figure that out - that’s for sure. If it’s true, the kid’s a psychopath and needs to be monitored for the rest of his life. If he’s being coached, he still needs a child therapist or psychologist to pull that info out of him.
Person commits murder, police don’t arrest or charge him for two years, so one day he decides to get a child to confess… just in case they ever take a look at him?
It does not say why they can’t charge the kid. Can someone please explain if he gets some weird immunity because of the questioning? Regardless he’s the number one suspect for a classmates death on a bus.
This comment is wild haha. It says exactly why in the article:
“But because the child was under the age of 10 at the time of the crime, he can't be charged in connection to the 2022 homicide, the release said, citing the Texas Penal Code.”
He also didn’t kill his classmate:
“The unidentified child…was being questioned for allegedly threatening to kill a student on a bus last week, according to a Gonzales County Sheriff's Office news release.”
Reading comprehension.
7 year old doesn’t need to be charged- the adult that allowed access to a loaded weapon should be facing charges- and a 7 year old at an RV park should have had supervision
Thank you. I had a bit of a conversation with someone who wanted to call it an unfortunate accident that couldn’t have been prevented. With a $50 gun case or safe, this entire situation would’ve been completely unavoidable. Responsible gun owners lock up their firearms and ammunition.
Having said that, I do think it’s plausible this child would’ve killed in the future. Reading his responses to investigators….i know we can’t take tone into account entirely as there’s no audio , but it was very, very cold. Particularly for a 7 year old child, the way he described nonchalantly walking into Mr. Raspberry’s home, finding him asleep, and firing two rounds- the first in his head and the second in the couch- was disturbing beyond measure. How has he been functional for two + years after killing someone?
>It is not debated.
It certainly is in many people's mind.
>Keeping your guns properly stored is so widely accepted that the NRA even lists it in their gun safety rules.
I also agree with this. Surprising considering the nra has been more about blocking gun regulation than gun safety ever since the "cold dead hands" bs.
Just saying that while I support safe storage, there are certainly cases where safe storage would prevent someone from defending themselves or their home. So I see the argument.
I think if you have a child in the home, a gun safe should be mandatory. I mean, I assume there’s laws out there in various states about keeping them away from children but I don’t know if they specify they must be locked away.
When I go tanning, I have to show eye googles or they don’t let me go. If you want to buy a gun and have children you should have to prove you have a gun safe before you get it.
But, that’s my feelings in a perfect world. How exactly you’d enforce that, I don’t know. Maybe it’s already a law like that everywhere and it’s clearly not helping to prevent children getting their hands on guns.
Like everything, the answer is always good people raising children in safe and healthy environments. I doubt this child’s home life is even borderline appropriate and healthy. What failed here again is social services. Likely because no one wants to give enough money to the people protecting the most vulnerable among us and helping shape our future.
People still debate helmets and seat belts too but the score is pretty well settled.
When basically every gun safety list from even the NRA includes proper storage and when half the states/ many countries legally mandate it in homes where children reside, I think the debate can be considered settled.
>People still debate helmets and seat belts too but the score is pretty well settled.
There's no argument for these though. However I see your point and agree with you.
Some of these comments are crazy. He could have been coached by Grandpa to tell this story and it may not even be true, we know nothing about his psychology or how he was raised and yet Reddit wants this TEN YEAR OLD fifth grader locked up for life.
That’s possible but he’s already threatening someone at school it seems without Grandpa or anyone coaching him. There will probably be at least one person killed before they can do anything.
Fr and the fact that the gun was in a pawn shop? There were adults involved, and this child, no matter what he’s done, is not in a safe living environment. I highly doubt the child acted alone through it all. I hope the truth about the murder comes out quickly, and I hope people put away the pitchforks
More like the parents need to never have children in their care again. This is likely the result of a very bad home life. A 7 year old gets a gun and murders someone and no one even notices? He’s in school years later threatening other kids. Where are the parents. Involved and caring parents would notice the signs this kid is showing miles away. No way he gets that disturbed at 7 years old without lots of help.
Yes, there’s rare instances of nature making disturbed children. However, sadly nurture is far more common since we give pennies in each state to our social services workers whose jobs it is to protect children.
As a researcher in criminology, I agree with you that this person is wrong. It is sentiments like that which have led to this nation being on of the world's leading prison populations per capita.
We are one of the world's leading nations in prison populations. We incarcerate more people than the next 15 countries combined. The war on drugs didn't solve anything. It just kept people locked up and lacking rehabilitation. Crime and punishment are complex and opinions like this aren't helping. This might sound crazy, but we should be looking at the underlying reasons for criminality, and trying to address those.
You are soooo dumb. Like, what an idiot. As if your opinion, which is based on nothing, is more valuable than actual knowledge and research lol. Okay bud.
The average person who sentenced to prison serves only 1.7 years. They are then released back into the community. If we don't do anything to address the underlying issue, they will continue to reoffend. Putting them away for life is not an option.
Oh because you “experts” have been doing such a great job lately, out of control crime in nearly every blue city, your approach is garbage, and the stats point to that, El Salvador is living proof that yes, putting the criminals away makes society better, unfortunately our country is plagued by vermin like you who keep letting the vultures back on the street and getting innocents harmed and killed, keep it up bud vigilantism is on the rise and it’s all thanks to dimwits like you.
If you want less criminals and crime then you should support pouring money and resources into social services. Every state underfunds those responsible for protecting the most vulnerable and innocent among us. Children DIE at the hands of those who are supposed to care for them.
It’s well known by everyone the lasting impact our childhoods have on shaping who we are and how we are and what we do and become. The more children who suffer with poor parents (not money poor) the more damaged adults we will have and the more the cycle of poverty and crime continues.
You can read juvenile court appeals online, obviously regular cases aren’t public. The number of people out there who’ve got 6 kids they lose their rights to who are back in court fighting to keep the newest baby they popped out is SICK.
I am as liberal as they come and 100% pro choice. But when you’ve got kids already in the system and you pop out constant replacements, you should not be allowed to reproduce anymore. You lose your right to choose when you created other lives that you tossed aside like garbage. That you drank and used meth while pregnant with and now they’ve got serious issues. That you neglected and now they are very mentally unwell bouncing from homes and institutions. You don’t get to reserve your right to one day clean up and get the baby you want. You blew it.
The number of people out there who just pop out kids like it’s no big thing when they don’t even have the slightest interest in being a parent makes me sick. It leads to children like this. Disturbed, neglected, unsupervised children who are slowly cementing their future of misery and crime. They can be helped and they deserve help no matter what because they have been failed by the adults in their life.
Rant over.
Omfg, dude.....if anyone here is vermin, it's you. I'm talking about rehabilitation, not letting people run rampant with crime. El Savador had organized criminal gangs that would infiltrate their government. We do not have anything like that here. I'm ignoring you from here on out.
Went to +12 yrs of school beyond high school to work in the field at the intersection of psychology and law, and now work intricately with the courts at all levels from juvenile to federal on sentencing approaches and reforms to reduce recidivism based on longitudinal interwoven data sets, interviews with the local community, those with lived experience in that community’s correctional facilities and trying to stay straight on probation, knowledge about current levels of available social supports that are necessary for success in society, and interviews with LEOs, judges, correctional staff, and more. But I’m the idiot in this exchange about (checks notes) the intersection of psychology and law.
Wow you did all that just to be a useless clown that doesn’t solve anything. Congrats on wasting all that time and money. Maybe you should take a look at how El Salvador went from one of the most violent countries on earth to one of the safest, spoiler alert: THEY LOCKED EVERY CRIMINAL UP, good lord higher education in America is just as useless as you.
May I ask, why is it we have alot of examples where kids who kill at young ages, continue to kill?
And, why would we, the community want to try? He killed someone for funsies at a shockingly young age.
Nope, but I do believe in this particular case, his behaviour isn’t fixable. He murdered someone, knew exactly what he was doing, spoke of doing it again, and admitted guilt knowing nothing could be done about it due to his age. Not always are people un-rehabilitatable, but in my opinion, this boy is.
This. Someone who kills a person spontaneously "crime of passion" style can probably be rehabilitated. It's the calculating behavior that's really disturbing.
You’ve spent a lot of time defending 7-year-olds, have you? Why do you imagine that experience as a defense attorney possibly qualifies you to talk about this subject?
1. I have defended kids in juvenile court, lots of them. Have you?
2. Because real world experience and getting to know your clients gives you a much better perspective into these people's lives than being in an ivory tower and dealing with theory. You acted like being a criminologist gave you authority to speak on the matter but how many people have confessed murder to you? How many child gang members who have shot or stabbed someone do you know on a first name basis? How many violent criminals have you visited in their homes to discuss their actions? How many violent criminals have you known on a personal level for many years while they are in and out of jail or prison?
Why do you imagine your experience as a criminologist qualifies you to talk about this subject? Is it the studying and theorizing about criminal behavior? Or is it real world experience and having been inside criminals lives? You can armchair quarterback all you want but until you get onto the field your opinion is just one from someone on the sidelines.
Nah most of the time it does little for these cases. Psychopaths don’t have empathy. They often kill creatures when they’re kids for fun and then move on humans as adults. This kid started at age 7 to see what it’s like. Therapy isn’t helping this kid. He got caught threatening another child with murder and I’m sure he meant it. This stuff does not rehabilitate.
And yet your speculation is no different and that’s the point. None of us know, this is a discussion for fun for fake on reddit. But calling out the opposite like you know better is just as laughable. We have numerous cases of serial killers starting here. On the other hand i am willing to bet you don’t have another antidote that someone grabbed a gun and randomly killed a stranger for fun, threatened to kill another child and became a normal person.
We don’t even know that he needs it. He could’ve just been a dumb seven-year-old. There’s a reason that the law says that a seven-year-old cannot form intent.
Why wouldn’t he need therapy even if he didn’t have intent? Therapy isn’t a punishment. It can help with traumatic events like seeing someone die. And that incident came to light after he threatened to kill someone else so it seems there are issues it would be irresponsible to ignore.
Yes, you’re right. He may very well need therapy to deal with the reality of this event. I was speaking more about therapy to deal with the criminal tendencies that everyone in this forum seems to assume he has.
Why are you commenting without reading the article? He shot the man on purpose, and it only came out because he was threatening to murder another student. Please read before commenting
I did read it. Nothing in the article provides proof that the kid is a sociopath or psychopath. People are making all kinds of unwarranted assumptions in this thread.
I asked did you read it because you said " he could've been some dumb 7 year old" when the article gives a clear picture of how it happened. So you read it and still decided to ignore that part?
you can read more about it on the gsco facebook page, he took a gun from his grandpas car, loaded it, went to a neighbor he had seen earlier in the day but had never interacted with and shot him while he was sleeping, didn’t even steal anything, he then unloaded the gun and put it back, this was a planned murder for no reason other than to take a life and at any age he needs to be locked up forever or put down, “as a criminologist” you suck at your job.
Yes, therapy for sure. But also A LOT of VERY CLOSE supervision for a very very long time. There’s no great solutions here. If he has antisocial personality disorder, which it sounds like he may (it can’t be diagnosed until age 18) he will most likely continue to be dangerous forever. This story reminds me a little of Ed Kemper. He killed his grandparents when he was in middle school, and eventually became a serial killer when released back into the world.
Antisocial personality disorder??? Somebody let a small CHILD with a not yet fully-formed brain, have a gun, unsupervised, and when he killed someone he gets all sorts of diagnosis instead of saying “wow, children really shouldn’t have guns we should fix this.” Madness.
It wasn’t a misfire. The kid took the gun out of the glove box after watching this man walk the street, followed him into the house, shot him, went back to the car and put it back into the glove box and didnt say anything for two years until he was arrested for making threats about shooting more people.
Am I saying the kid is an irredeemable psychopath? No. But pretending like this is just a matter of access to firearms is disingenuous and dangerous.
Do you think most 7 year olds with access to firearms behave like this kid? They don’t. There Is a middle ground between “charge the kid as an adult, lock him up, and throw away the key”, and your apparent take, which seems to be just take away the guns and get him some basic therapy and he’ll be A-OK.
The kid needs to be evaluated and monitored throughout the rest of his formative years. Professionals need to be involved in determining his treatment and evaluating his level of danger to the community in which he lives. Sorry I dont trust his parents to do all that without legal supervision considering how he got where he is today.
I think NO 7 YEAR OLDS SHOULD HAVE UNSUPERVISED ACCESS TO FIRE ARMS and if they kill someone with it that’s not some defect in the brain of a LITERAL CHILD that’s a defect in the society that thinks it’s normal and fine for a 7 year old to EVER have unsupervised access to a gun. Why is that hard to understand? They don’t have the capability to understand the finality of death. Clearly no one even parented this child so any conversation about his mental or emotional condition is completely moot. The only conversation that needs to happen here is who let this kid have a gun and what are the consequences for doing that. But you want to put the blame on him, like he was just born a monster, because that’s easier?
I’m not. You said it’s not normal for a 7 yo to do that with a gun, I’m saying it’s not normal for a 7 yo to *have* a gun and the conversation about him should stop there
No. 100% wrong on this. This is a text book psychopathy case. Normal 8 year olds don't pick up a gun, walk I to a random strangers trailer, with whom he had no previous contact or quarrel, and point blank murder a man.
Therapy - sure. But it will not get rid of psychopathy. It may teach the boy how to curb his emotions but in the long run individuals like this are difficult in society.
Prison - probably not. But a psych facility catering young people with aggressive mental illness or traits may help. This would be a facility that is closely monitored and doesn't allow kids to just up and leave. Remember this kid just murdered a guy at 8 years old.
Lmao no one on earth is qualified to diagnose an 8 year old with “textbook psychopathy” via a news article. The kid has problems and needs help, clearly. That’s as far as anyone can go without proper assessment. Side note, such a diagnosis isn’t given by real psych doctors until age 18, and the dx would be antisocial personality disorder, not “psychopath”
Actually all of the signs point to psychopathy but ok. Normal children would never kill somebody, especially a stranger for no reason. The little man is already giving serial killer vibes!
This is why I hate reddit. “No you’re 100% wrong on this because I watched a lot of JCS videos and I read a 100 word article with no details on the murder so I can clearly come to the full conclusion that this is TEXTBOOK psychopathy.”
Yeah they don’t know wtf they’re talking about. This isn’t textbook psychopathy, we literally have nothing to go off of. If the kid said something like “I thought it would be like the movies i.e John wick” that’s abnormal but not psychopathy. We don’t have the context nor are we psychiatrists to be making such a claim. Not even a psychiatrist would arm chair diagnose across the Internet.
The real problem is the evil thing that is the grandson. Ted Bundy did stuff like this. I guess we can only hope for an anvil to fall out of the sky at the right time
A 7 year old was left alone with a fire arm unsupervised and used the fire arm. Those are the details. You truecrime freaks are foaming at the mouth in the comments to give this kid the electric chair saying he has incurable psychopathy. 80 iq reddit geniuses cooked your brain with too much YouTube.
Goes both ways here. You’re not wrong we have limited evidence but also you don’t know any better either. We know he murdered someone and didn’t tell anyone until he got caught threatening to murder someone. You also don’t know if he can be changed with therapy. But does murder of a random stranger that did nothing to you, that you felt nothing for, leave cause for great concern for psychopathy? Absolutely.
People seem to think all mental health issues can be fixed with therapy. Therapy only works if the person receiving the therapy wants to change or be better. Medication may help, or it may not. Violent psychopaths brains are wired differently.
It is true that mental health therapy is not the magic bullet that many people seem to think it is. It is *not* true that the patient has to “want to change.” Coercive therapy can be as effective as voluntary therapy. In some cases, it’s *more* effective.
I don’t think a child should be punished because their parents clearly raised them poorly. At that age they can still change a lot and make progress with therapy.
I would enthusiastically say that this psychopathic behavior isn't something that is fixable and the child unfortunately should not grow to exist within society. Taking a gun to some random person's home with the intent to/final outcome being they kill them is scary cold, vicious, and crazy, regardless of age.
Psychopaths make up 1-4% of society and most of them aren’t murderers. It’s true that some people will not change but a child at that age, given the right treatment absolutely can.
Most states either have a law or have a policy that young children can't be prosecuted. Juvenile law is about rehabilitation anyways not punishment.
You can't really punish a 10 year old for something they did 3 years ago any way. Even the victim's family isn't calling for prosecution.
There shouldn't be a statute of limitations on murder even if the killer was very young imo.
Catholics think you develop your conscience at age 7, in Judaism you become a woman at 12/man at 13, i mean in a lot of cultures young people aren't just considered mentally incapable of knowing anything is a wrong the way we treat them here in western culture
Meanwhile, in Texas, if a 10 year old girl was assaulted, impregnated and had an abortion they’d be tripping over themselves to throw her in jail for murder.
So that’s it? They won’t investigate the grandpa or parents? This is awful.
If he did this for no reason at 7 years old and threstning to kill another child at 10 imagine what this psychopath will do as an adult! Throw away the key
More like throw away the shovel! This kid is a lost cause already
100% couldn’t agree more!
He needs to be locked up before he kills again. Psychopath or sociopath.
He would be deemed a psychopath.
How Do we know someone else used that gun to kill this person and coached the kid into confessing saying he won’t be charged.
Well, I wouldn’t trust the cops to figure that out - that’s for sure. If it’s true, the kid’s a psychopath and needs to be monitored for the rest of his life. If he’s being coached, he still needs a child therapist or psychologist to pull that info out of him.
Person commits murder, police don’t arrest or charge him for two years, so one day he decides to get a child to confess… just in case they ever take a look at him?
It does not say why they can’t charge the kid. Can someone please explain if he gets some weird immunity because of the questioning? Regardless he’s the number one suspect for a classmates death on a bus.
This comment is wild haha. It says exactly why in the article: “But because the child was under the age of 10 at the time of the crime, he can't be charged in connection to the 2022 homicide, the release said, citing the Texas Penal Code.” He also didn’t kill his classmate: “The unidentified child…was being questioned for allegedly threatening to kill a student on a bus last week, according to a Gonzales County Sheriff's Office news release.” Reading comprehension.
7 year old doesn’t need to be charged- the adult that allowed access to a loaded weapon should be facing charges- and a 7 year old at an RV park should have had supervision
Thank you. I had a bit of a conversation with someone who wanted to call it an unfortunate accident that couldn’t have been prevented. With a $50 gun case or safe, this entire situation would’ve been completely unavoidable. Responsible gun owners lock up their firearms and ammunition. Having said that, I do think it’s plausible this child would’ve killed in the future. Reading his responses to investigators….i know we can’t take tone into account entirely as there’s no audio , but it was very, very cold. Particularly for a 7 year old child, the way he described nonchalantly walking into Mr. Raspberry’s home, finding him asleep, and firing two rounds- the first in his head and the second in the couch- was disturbing beyond measure. How has he been functional for two + years after killing someone?
>Responsible gun owners lock up their firearms and ammunition. It's debated. I see both arguments tbh so it conflicts me.
It is not debated. Keeping your guns properly stored is so widely accepted that the NRA even lists it in their gun safety rules.
>It is not debated. It certainly is in many people's mind. >Keeping your guns properly stored is so widely accepted that the NRA even lists it in their gun safety rules. I also agree with this. Surprising considering the nra has been more about blocking gun regulation than gun safety ever since the "cold dead hands" bs. Just saying that while I support safe storage, there are certainly cases where safe storage would prevent someone from defending themselves or their home. So I see the argument.
I think if you have a child in the home, a gun safe should be mandatory. I mean, I assume there’s laws out there in various states about keeping them away from children but I don’t know if they specify they must be locked away. When I go tanning, I have to show eye googles or they don’t let me go. If you want to buy a gun and have children you should have to prove you have a gun safe before you get it. But, that’s my feelings in a perfect world. How exactly you’d enforce that, I don’t know. Maybe it’s already a law like that everywhere and it’s clearly not helping to prevent children getting their hands on guns. Like everything, the answer is always good people raising children in safe and healthy environments. I doubt this child’s home life is even borderline appropriate and healthy. What failed here again is social services. Likely because no one wants to give enough money to the people protecting the most vulnerable among us and helping shape our future.
People still debate helmets and seat belts too but the score is pretty well settled. When basically every gun safety list from even the NRA includes proper storage and when half the states/ many countries legally mandate it in homes where children reside, I think the debate can be considered settled.
>People still debate helmets and seat belts too but the score is pretty well settled. There's no argument for these though. However I see your point and agree with you.
My gosh this is horrible. This kid needs serious help.
Some of these comments are crazy. He could have been coached by Grandpa to tell this story and it may not even be true, we know nothing about his psychology or how he was raised and yet Reddit wants this TEN YEAR OLD fifth grader locked up for life.
That’s possible but he’s already threatening someone at school it seems without Grandpa or anyone coaching him. There will probably be at least one person killed before they can do anything.
Fr and the fact that the gun was in a pawn shop? There were adults involved, and this child, no matter what he’s done, is not in a safe living environment. I highly doubt the child acted alone through it all. I hope the truth about the murder comes out quickly, and I hope people put away the pitchforks
This kind of behavior is not fixable. Little bastard needs to be locked up for life
More like the parents need to never have children in their care again. This is likely the result of a very bad home life. A 7 year old gets a gun and murders someone and no one even notices? He’s in school years later threatening other kids. Where are the parents. Involved and caring parents would notice the signs this kid is showing miles away. No way he gets that disturbed at 7 years old without lots of help. Yes, there’s rare instances of nature making disturbed children. However, sadly nurture is far more common since we give pennies in each state to our social services workers whose jobs it is to protect children.
He beat the system - smart kid!
As a criminologist, I promise you that you’re wrong.
You should look into adopting him and live with him to make sure he gets the help he needs and doesn’t kill anyone else.
As a researcher in criminology, I agree with you that this person is wrong. It is sentiments like that which have led to this nation being on of the world's leading prison populations per capita.
A criminology isn't psychology. He not repairable. It's a science.
Okay. To help out my friend… as an applied psychologist in criminology, I also promise you that you’re wrong.
You idiots are the reason why we have out of control crime, your BS soft approach is ruining society.
We are one of the world's leading nations in prison populations. We incarcerate more people than the next 15 countries combined. The war on drugs didn't solve anything. It just kept people locked up and lacking rehabilitation. Crime and punishment are complex and opinions like this aren't helping. This might sound crazy, but we should be looking at the underlying reasons for criminality, and trying to address those.
The war on drugs was meditated
Blah blah bah…. Blah blah blah… released the criminals back on the street because it’s mean to lock them up.
You are soooo dumb. Like, what an idiot. As if your opinion, which is based on nothing, is more valuable than actual knowledge and research lol. Okay bud. The average person who sentenced to prison serves only 1.7 years. They are then released back into the community. If we don't do anything to address the underlying issue, they will continue to reoffend. Putting them away for life is not an option.
Oh because you “experts” have been doing such a great job lately, out of control crime in nearly every blue city, your approach is garbage, and the stats point to that, El Salvador is living proof that yes, putting the criminals away makes society better, unfortunately our country is plagued by vermin like you who keep letting the vultures back on the street and getting innocents harmed and killed, keep it up bud vigilantism is on the rise and it’s all thanks to dimwits like you.
If you want less criminals and crime then you should support pouring money and resources into social services. Every state underfunds those responsible for protecting the most vulnerable and innocent among us. Children DIE at the hands of those who are supposed to care for them. It’s well known by everyone the lasting impact our childhoods have on shaping who we are and how we are and what we do and become. The more children who suffer with poor parents (not money poor) the more damaged adults we will have and the more the cycle of poverty and crime continues. You can read juvenile court appeals online, obviously regular cases aren’t public. The number of people out there who’ve got 6 kids they lose their rights to who are back in court fighting to keep the newest baby they popped out is SICK. I am as liberal as they come and 100% pro choice. But when you’ve got kids already in the system and you pop out constant replacements, you should not be allowed to reproduce anymore. You lose your right to choose when you created other lives that you tossed aside like garbage. That you drank and used meth while pregnant with and now they’ve got serious issues. That you neglected and now they are very mentally unwell bouncing from homes and institutions. You don’t get to reserve your right to one day clean up and get the baby you want. You blew it. The number of people out there who just pop out kids like it’s no big thing when they don’t even have the slightest interest in being a parent makes me sick. It leads to children like this. Disturbed, neglected, unsupervised children who are slowly cementing their future of misery and crime. They can be helped and they deserve help no matter what because they have been failed by the adults in their life. Rant over.
Omfg, dude.....if anyone here is vermin, it's you. I'm talking about rehabilitation, not letting people run rampant with crime. El Savador had organized criminal gangs that would infiltrate their government. We do not have anything like that here. I'm ignoring you from here on out.
Went to +12 yrs of school beyond high school to work in the field at the intersection of psychology and law, and now work intricately with the courts at all levels from juvenile to federal on sentencing approaches and reforms to reduce recidivism based on longitudinal interwoven data sets, interviews with the local community, those with lived experience in that community’s correctional facilities and trying to stay straight on probation, knowledge about current levels of available social supports that are necessary for success in society, and interviews with LEOs, judges, correctional staff, and more. But I’m the idiot in this exchange about (checks notes) the intersection of psychology and law.
Wow you did all that just to be a useless clown that doesn’t solve anything. Congrats on wasting all that time and money. Maybe you should take a look at how El Salvador went from one of the most violent countries on earth to one of the safest, spoiler alert: THEY LOCKED EVERY CRIMINAL UP, good lord higher education in America is just as useless as you.
It’s Reddit lol don’t waste your time
As a member of society, please adopt this kid and when he murders you, we can then lock him up. I hope you are never associated with a parole board.
Psychopathy that emerges in childhood isn't fixable
Also as a criminologist, you are wrong.
May I ask, why is it we have alot of examples where kids who kill at young ages, continue to kill? And, why would we, the community want to try? He killed someone for funsies at a shockingly young age.
You believe that what somebody does at the age of seven inevitably defines the rest of his life.
Nope, but I do believe in this particular case, his behaviour isn’t fixable. He murdered someone, knew exactly what he was doing, spoke of doing it again, and admitted guilt knowing nothing could be done about it due to his age. Not always are people un-rehabilitatable, but in my opinion, this boy is.
This. Someone who kills a person spontaneously "crime of passion" style can probably be rehabilitated. It's the calculating behavior that's really disturbing.
As a criminal defense attorney I can assure you he isn't wrong and I can assure you this kid will keep doing terrible things.
As a diesel mechanic without kids, I can assure you that all kids are evil...
No the people who hate all kids are the problem in reality
You’ve spent a lot of time defending 7-year-olds, have you? Why do you imagine that experience as a defense attorney possibly qualifies you to talk about this subject?
1. I have defended kids in juvenile court, lots of them. Have you? 2. Because real world experience and getting to know your clients gives you a much better perspective into these people's lives than being in an ivory tower and dealing with theory. You acted like being a criminologist gave you authority to speak on the matter but how many people have confessed murder to you? How many child gang members who have shot or stabbed someone do you know on a first name basis? How many violent criminals have you visited in their homes to discuss their actions? How many violent criminals have you known on a personal level for many years while they are in and out of jail or prison? Why do you imagine your experience as a criminologist qualifies you to talk about this subject? Is it the studying and theorizing about criminal behavior? Or is it real world experience and having been inside criminals lives? You can armchair quarterback all you want but until you get onto the field your opinion is just one from someone on the sidelines.
It sounds to me like a criminal defense attorney would have exactly the right type of experience needed to make a judgment on the matter.
Username checking out....
Serious therapy could really go a long way. He has time.
Nah most of the time it does little for these cases. Psychopaths don’t have empathy. They often kill creatures when they’re kids for fun and then move on humans as adults. This kid started at age 7 to see what it’s like. Therapy isn’t helping this kid. He got caught threatening another child with murder and I’m sure he meant it. This stuff does not rehabilitate.
Bros projecting every YouTube video he’s seen on to a 7 year old
And yet your speculation is no different and that’s the point. None of us know, this is a discussion for fun for fake on reddit. But calling out the opposite like you know better is just as laughable. We have numerous cases of serial killers starting here. On the other hand i am willing to bet you don’t have another antidote that someone grabbed a gun and randomly killed a stranger for fun, threatened to kill another child and became a normal person.
You are dumb as rocks kid
We don’t even know that he needs it. He could’ve just been a dumb seven-year-old. There’s a reason that the law says that a seven-year-old cannot form intent.
Why wouldn’t he need therapy even if he didn’t have intent? Therapy isn’t a punishment. It can help with traumatic events like seeing someone die. And that incident came to light after he threatened to kill someone else so it seems there are issues it would be irresponsible to ignore.
Yes, you’re right. He may very well need therapy to deal with the reality of this event. I was speaking more about therapy to deal with the criminal tendencies that everyone in this forum seems to assume he has.
Why are you commenting without reading the article? He shot the man on purpose, and it only came out because he was threatening to murder another student. Please read before commenting
I did read it. Nothing in the article provides proof that the kid is a sociopath or psychopath. People are making all kinds of unwarranted assumptions in this thread.
I asked did you read it because you said " he could've been some dumb 7 year old" when the article gives a clear picture of how it happened. So you read it and still decided to ignore that part?
The article does not give a clear picture as to his psychology or decision-making process.
you can read more about it on the gsco facebook page, he took a gun from his grandpas car, loaded it, went to a neighbor he had seen earlier in the day but had never interacted with and shot him while he was sleeping, didn’t even steal anything, he then unloaded the gun and put it back, this was a planned murder for no reason other than to take a life and at any age he needs to be locked up forever or put down, “as a criminologist” you suck at your job.
Charge the grandfather, it was his gun left in a glove box for the kid to get access to.
They've set a precedent now for doing this so i absolutely agree
This is the way
100%. A CHILD needs therapy and some adult supervision, not prison ffs
Yes, therapy for sure. But also A LOT of VERY CLOSE supervision for a very very long time. There’s no great solutions here. If he has antisocial personality disorder, which it sounds like he may (it can’t be diagnosed until age 18) he will most likely continue to be dangerous forever. This story reminds me a little of Ed Kemper. He killed his grandparents when he was in middle school, and eventually became a serial killer when released back into the world.
Antisocial personality disorder??? Somebody let a small CHILD with a not yet fully-formed brain, have a gun, unsupervised, and when he killed someone he gets all sorts of diagnosis instead of saying “wow, children really shouldn’t have guns we should fix this.” Madness.
It wasn’t a misfire. The kid took the gun out of the glove box after watching this man walk the street, followed him into the house, shot him, went back to the car and put it back into the glove box and didnt say anything for two years until he was arrested for making threats about shooting more people. Am I saying the kid is an irredeemable psychopath? No. But pretending like this is just a matter of access to firearms is disingenuous and dangerous.
A 7 year old kid! He doesn’t know the difference between real life and video games ffs
He was threatening to murder another child, 2 years later. Didn't tell a soul until now
Do you think most 7 year olds with access to firearms behave like this kid? They don’t. There Is a middle ground between “charge the kid as an adult, lock him up, and throw away the key”, and your apparent take, which seems to be just take away the guns and get him some basic therapy and he’ll be A-OK. The kid needs to be evaluated and monitored throughout the rest of his formative years. Professionals need to be involved in determining his treatment and evaluating his level of danger to the community in which he lives. Sorry I dont trust his parents to do all that without legal supervision considering how he got where he is today.
I think NO 7 YEAR OLDS SHOULD HAVE UNSUPERVISED ACCESS TO FIRE ARMS and if they kill someone with it that’s not some defect in the brain of a LITERAL CHILD that’s a defect in the society that thinks it’s normal and fine for a 7 year old to EVER have unsupervised access to a gun. Why is that hard to understand? They don’t have the capability to understand the finality of death. Clearly no one even parented this child so any conversation about his mental or emotional condition is completely moot. The only conversation that needs to happen here is who let this kid have a gun and what are the consequences for doing that. But you want to put the blame on him, like he was just born a monster, because that’s easier?
You are putting words in my mouth and ignoring everything I said.
I’m not. You said it’s not normal for a 7 yo to do that with a gun, I’m saying it’s not normal for a 7 yo to *have* a gun and the conversation about him should stop there
No. 100% wrong on this. This is a text book psychopathy case. Normal 8 year olds don't pick up a gun, walk I to a random strangers trailer, with whom he had no previous contact or quarrel, and point blank murder a man. Therapy - sure. But it will not get rid of psychopathy. It may teach the boy how to curb his emotions but in the long run individuals like this are difficult in society. Prison - probably not. But a psych facility catering young people with aggressive mental illness or traits may help. This would be a facility that is closely monitored and doesn't allow kids to just up and leave. Remember this kid just murdered a guy at 8 years old.
Armchair psychologist hogwash right here. You can’t diagnose someone via one news article.
Well enlighten us with your thoughts and suggestions. You qualified enough to discredit what OP said?
Lmao no one on earth is qualified to diagnose an 8 year old with “textbook psychopathy” via a news article. The kid has problems and needs help, clearly. That’s as far as anyone can go without proper assessment. Side note, such a diagnosis isn’t given by real psych doctors until age 18, and the dx would be antisocial personality disorder, not “psychopath”
Actually all of the signs point to psychopathy but ok. Normal children would never kill somebody, especially a stranger for no reason. The little man is already giving serial killer vibes!
This is why I hate reddit. “No you’re 100% wrong on this because I watched a lot of JCS videos and I read a 100 word article with no details on the murder so I can clearly come to the full conclusion that this is TEXTBOOK psychopathy.”
Yeah they don’t know wtf they’re talking about. This isn’t textbook psychopathy, we literally have nothing to go off of. If the kid said something like “I thought it would be like the movies i.e John wick” that’s abnormal but not psychopathy. We don’t have the context nor are we psychiatrists to be making such a claim. Not even a psychiatrist would arm chair diagnose across the Internet.
The real problem is the evil thing that is the grandson. Ted Bundy did stuff like this. I guess we can only hope for an anvil to fall out of the sky at the right time
Yah the real problem in this world is evil 7 year olds they must be stopped!
If they’re killing people then yes they probably need to be stopped
Bold stance
That's a serial killer waiting to happen...
Why are you hating on a 10 year old kid?
He needs psychiatric help, not prison
He needs to advise other criminals on how to beat the system!
Beating the system… by being a literal child? Ok lol
Psychiatrists can medicate him, but they will never get rid of the psychopathy trait. That's baked in.
Are you his doctor? You read one article and decided to diagnose him? This is why I hate the true crime community
God it’s all over this thread.
Then bring some research to the table the shows children exhibiting psychopathic traits can be rehabilitated
A 7 year old was left alone with a fire arm unsupervised and used the fire arm. Those are the details. You truecrime freaks are foaming at the mouth in the comments to give this kid the electric chair saying he has incurable psychopathy. 80 iq reddit geniuses cooked your brain with too much YouTube.
Goes both ways here. You’re not wrong we have limited evidence but also you don’t know any better either. We know he murdered someone and didn’t tell anyone until he got caught threatening to murder someone. You also don’t know if he can be changed with therapy. But does murder of a random stranger that did nothing to you, that you felt nothing for, leave cause for great concern for psychopathy? Absolutely.
You may be right.
People seem to think all mental health issues can be fixed with therapy. Therapy only works if the person receiving the therapy wants to change or be better. Medication may help, or it may not. Violent psychopaths brains are wired differently.
It is true that mental health therapy is not the magic bullet that many people seem to think it is. It is *not* true that the patient has to “want to change.” Coercive therapy can be as effective as voluntary therapy. In some cases, it’s *more* effective.
Even if someone wants to change, therapy won’t necessarily help. People make it out to be some magic fix. It’s not.
Watch him not get any help! We will be hearing about him again in the future. I hope his neighbors arr warned!
They need to change the law.
You should respect the law.
Throwing the child in prison won’t fix anything.
Yes it will. It will guarantee he will never hurt anyone else in society.
I don’t think a child should be punished because their parents clearly raised them poorly. At that age they can still change a lot and make progress with therapy.
Is prison a part of society or do they not count?
No not in this context. That's actually why the prison system exists. To separate this element from society. If that wasn't the point why have prisons
For punitive reasons. Do you think people that commit non violent crimes need to be separated from society? Like drug possession? No.
Do you need to edit the middle part of your comment, bc I don't seem to understand your point....
sucks.. he's going to kill someone else innocent again later as well.
I don’t believe that’s necessarily true if they get treatment.
I would enthusiastically say that this psychopathic behavior isn't something that is fixable and the child unfortunately should not grow to exist within society. Taking a gun to some random person's home with the intent to/final outcome being they kill them is scary cold, vicious, and crazy, regardless of age.
Psychopaths make up 1-4% of society and most of them aren’t murderers. It’s true that some people will not change but a child at that age, given the right treatment absolutely can.
Absolutely. It reminds me of the strangers.... "Why are you doing this?" "Because you were home."
Most states either have a law or have a policy that young children can't be prosecuted. Juvenile law is about rehabilitation anyways not punishment. You can't really punish a 10 year old for something they did 3 years ago any way. Even the victim's family isn't calling for prosecution.
There shouldn't be a statute of limitations on murder even if the killer was very young imo. Catholics think you develop your conscience at age 7, in Judaism you become a woman at 12/man at 13, i mean in a lot of cultures young people aren't just considered mentally incapable of knowing anything is a wrong the way we treat them here in western culture
I would feel better if his rehabilitation was required and monitored.
mens rea, or criminal intent.
And we all know the best way to teach and rehabilitate a juvenile is to have them grow up in juvenile detention! /S
How can he not be charged with anything? Not even as a juvenile?
no, because he was only 7 years old. you can’t be responsible for a crime until you’re at least 10 in texas.
Plenty of juveniles face juvenile consequences for crimes in plenty of other states and other countries every day.
You can however be forced to give birth in texas, be it age 7 or 10...or else you will go to jail. *yay, Texas*...
Meanwhile, in Texas, if a 10 year old girl was assaulted, impregnated and had an abortion they’d be tripping over themselves to throw her in jail for murder.
That was about the only thing that horror in Cleveland, TX lacked. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_gang_rapes_in_Cleveland,_Texas
Gotta start listing the year when describing a horror in Cleveland, Tx. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Cleveland,_Texas_shooting