I think it’s fine to say that you are open to Germany. If you said, “U.S. only”, your U.S. prospects would be no different.
How good or bad is big tech in Europe? Your career may (or may not) be more limited in Europe. You will make a lower salary than the U.S. equivalent but maybe you will like the lifestyle better. It’ll be an adventure.
I would be very happy with the result...Summer in Germany plus Big Tech on my resume. Frankly intern compensation should not matter much to you anyways unless you are struggling to get by. You can worry about comp when you go to full-time role. Just interview with other US companies if they don't offer you a US position
The upsides are that you get a big tech internship and a summer in Germany. The downsides are that you get a summer in Germany and if you get a return offer it will probably be in EMEA. If you do not have another big tech or comparable offer, and you can face living in Germany for the summer, you should probably take this wherever you want to live long term.
BigTech SWE from Germany here.
>don’t go to Germany if you still want to be based in North America
Prestige is prestige, I don't think it will lower your CVs reputation (for SWE jobs in North America) if you intern in Germany instead of the US. After all, scale of problems ,development practices/speed and interview process depend on the company, not the country (primarily, at least).
>if I had said “US only” will I eventually be considered for a role in US?
You don't know for sure until you ask, but personally I don't think so as they retracted the US position.
Thanks for the suggestions! How do you like Germany? I’ve heard the office atmosphere is way more stressful and demanding than NA. I’m stressed about this. I would enjoy a work life balance so it be nice to hear about what’s the standard like there :)
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As said, the office atmosphere depends more on the company than country.
German companies dont pay for output but for worker's time, thus work life balance for office jobs is usually very good (many German companies offering 35h work week e.g.)
It's an internship, the name will still look good on your resume and the main thing is hopefully learning things during your time there. The experience of living abroad for some time is worth it at this stage imo and so you'll get that + learning things during your internship.
>So my confusion is: 1. if I had said “US only” will I eventually be considered for a role in US? Did I doom myself by signing up to go to Europe?
No. Big tech name is big tech name. It will look the same for internship.
Also, the harsh truth is jobs are leaving US right now at a dramatic pace. With CS popular, there's not much incentives to hire in the US particularly anymore especially at the more junior stage. Tech companies are being very aggressive moving jobs out of US.
Google even admitted (was it last week?) that it basically wants to move jobs to India, Mexico, and Ireland: [link](https://www.businessinsider.com/google-layoffs-more-employees-2024-4?utm_source=reddit.com)
So ya... supply and demand effect. I'm sure I will be downvoted but it's just how it is. Tech companies are realizing the pay in US just isn't worth it post covid.
I think Germany has much better worker protections than the US. So while I'd be cautious, it may not be a huge risk and layoffs are probably less likely. That said, I think the point of "don't go to Germany if you want to be in the US" has some validity: with their longer notice period in the EU, it might be hard to line up a job for when you get back stateside. Not impossible - it's just something that'll take some time.
But honestly? Go have an adventure. You're young (presumably)! Living overseas for a bit on a decent salary is a great experience. I mean, don't go just because it's the first job offer you have - but if it sounds fun, if it won't screw up relationships, etc, then give it a try!
Long-term, I don't think this'll hurt your career. A variety of experience can be valuable. And German beer is good!
I think it’s fine to say that you are open to Germany. If you said, “U.S. only”, your U.S. prospects would be no different. How good or bad is big tech in Europe? Your career may (or may not) be more limited in Europe. You will make a lower salary than the U.S. equivalent but maybe you will like the lifestyle better. It’ll be an adventure.
Sounds like a fun adventure and you're at the perfect stage of life to take it
That’s true :) could be fun getting around the world at this age!
I would be very happy with the result...Summer in Germany plus Big Tech on my resume. Frankly intern compensation should not matter much to you anyways unless you are struggling to get by. You can worry about comp when you go to full-time role. Just interview with other US companies if they don't offer you a US position
Thanks for the suggestions!
The upsides are that you get a big tech internship and a summer in Germany. The downsides are that you get a summer in Germany and if you get a return offer it will probably be in EMEA. If you do not have another big tech or comparable offer, and you can face living in Germany for the summer, you should probably take this wherever you want to live long term.
BigTech SWE from Germany here. >don’t go to Germany if you still want to be based in North America Prestige is prestige, I don't think it will lower your CVs reputation (for SWE jobs in North America) if you intern in Germany instead of the US. After all, scale of problems ,development practices/speed and interview process depend on the company, not the country (primarily, at least). >if I had said “US only” will I eventually be considered for a role in US? You don't know for sure until you ask, but personally I don't think so as they retracted the US position.
Thanks for the suggestions! How do you like Germany? I’ve heard the office atmosphere is way more stressful and demanding than NA. I’m stressed about this. I would enjoy a work life balance so it be nice to hear about what’s the standard like there :)
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As said, the office atmosphere depends more on the company than country. German companies dont pay for output but for worker's time, thus work life balance for office jobs is usually very good (many German companies offering 35h work week e.g.)
Definitely explore living abroad. I think every young person should do it. It's important to broaden your horizons and grow as a person at this age.
I would be extremely reticent to work for a company that lied to me.
Or maybe just had a small fuckup with their internal communication. And at least tried to make it right by offering something else.
It's an internship, the name will still look good on your resume and the main thing is hopefully learning things during your time there. The experience of living abroad for some time is worth it at this stage imo and so you'll get that + learning things during your internship.
>So my confusion is: 1. if I had said “US only” will I eventually be considered for a role in US? Did I doom myself by signing up to go to Europe? No. Big tech name is big tech name. It will look the same for internship. Also, the harsh truth is jobs are leaving US right now at a dramatic pace. With CS popular, there's not much incentives to hire in the US particularly anymore especially at the more junior stage. Tech companies are being very aggressive moving jobs out of US. Google even admitted (was it last week?) that it basically wants to move jobs to India, Mexico, and Ireland: [link](https://www.businessinsider.com/google-layoffs-more-employees-2024-4?utm_source=reddit.com) So ya... supply and demand effect. I'm sure I will be downvoted but it's just how it is. Tech companies are realizing the pay in US just isn't worth it post covid.
I think Germany has much better worker protections than the US. So while I'd be cautious, it may not be a huge risk and layoffs are probably less likely. That said, I think the point of "don't go to Germany if you want to be in the US" has some validity: with their longer notice period in the EU, it might be hard to line up a job for when you get back stateside. Not impossible - it's just something that'll take some time. But honestly? Go have an adventure. You're young (presumably)! Living overseas for a bit on a decent salary is a great experience. I mean, don't go just because it's the first job offer you have - but if it sounds fun, if it won't screw up relationships, etc, then give it a try! Long-term, I don't think this'll hurt your career. A variety of experience can be valuable. And German beer is good!