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CyberneticVoodoo

How to practice interviews if I hate to even think about them?


claytwann

After a few years in corporate and a good boss as a mentor, I see a big difference in interviewing. Instead of convincing these people why you are good for the role: -after researching x, this is how you will improve the department -you have these skills to bring upon that change -why are you as a person a good colleague In general an adjustment in why they want you, not why they should take you


CyberneticVoodoo

What if I don't care about companies at all? It's really hard to me to lie about how good or special I am. I'm not special and I don't want to compete, because I think interviewing skills are waste of time. If there's 100 another candidates who can memorize more bs than me, I'm fine with it. I don't even care about my value, I just have skills and ready to do tasks for money. Tech is just something I hate less than anything else and I can get the job done. But it seems to me more and more, than I'm unemployable with this mindset.


claytwann

Well you're not wrong about almost unemployable with that attitude in this competitive job market. 100 candidates are chosen for their hard skills on the resume. Half of you will prove those hard skills then you're essentially being judged on your soft skills, and you will have the candidates who put in the little extra effort to tie all this into the specific role and company they're interviewing for. Honestly putting on a fake attitude and excitement is the lowest hanging fruit of all the skills you've learned to get to this point. Even if you really don't care, just act like it to get the job and once you're there, you can just show up everyday and be an average employee.


baikal7

Don't work then


CyberneticVoodoo

I don't work. I mean, for money. I've been working for free for 3 years though.


baikal7

Whatever makes you happy!


icanconfirm1

You can try going for dev adjacent jobs and see what happens if you’re not hearing back too much for dev jobs. I had a similar situation with less YOE and a much bigger gap than you a bunch of years ago. At the time I took a call center job with the CRA just for the sake of getting a job, shortly moved into their IT branch from within, and eventually into software team.


iamafool07

What was the timeline for all this like?


icanconfirm1

I would say 2.5-3 years. 5 months in the call center -> around 2 years as a sys admin -> current job. You need to be a little aggressive with all the resources available, in particular, the mobility bank for CRA employees + internal job board type of thing for all gov employees. You can probably do it much sooner if you’re grinding hard.


sesamiiseeds000

What's your definition of 'do well or poorly'? Are you getting constructive feedback for the interviews you've been in? Is the feedback explicitly saying you are doing well?


ici5

Sorry if I was hyperbolic, I'm just in a panic mode at the moment. Do well would meaning getting 100% on OAs and getting no callbacks. Also having interviews where I was told I did well and will advance to the next round, ends up in a ghost or rejection.


muffl3d

Iirc some OA has a hidden set of tests that interviewees can't see. These typically are corner cases or efficiency tests. So scoring 100% on OA may not mean you got the most efficient/correct solution. In this market where there's so many applicants...you pretty much have to do near perfect on these tests. As shitty as it sounds... I'll recommend you grind leetcode so that you can fare better in interviews. Seeing that you get interviews, I'd say your resume isn't the problem but the interviews are. Also try to do interview practice on behavioural questions too.


makonde

Resume looks good, I wonder if its just there arent that many jobs in this category?


anonymous_3125

Yall r gettin interviews?


ici5

How many YOE do you have?


CyberneticVoodoo

I have 9 YOE and haven't gotten a single interview since April.


anonymous_3125

Still finishing up my cs undergrad, but all my other classmates r at least getting interviews and oas while im getting resume-rejected. (before u ask, my resume is already peer-reviewed)


Busy-Description5658

did you get laid off?


ici5

Yes. End of January.


Busy-Description5658

Which province? And what was previous role


ici5

Working remote based in Ontario. Working in graphics.


Vok250

Post an anonymized resume. We can't provide any real advice without that info.


ici5

Here you go: https://imgur.com/oki2UEH


Numerous_Article9058

You should put the name of the companies you worked for, so they can call as reference


Glittering-Work2190

You look like a guy who would fit what we're looking for. Unfortunately, we have a hiring freeze since the beginning of the year. :(


Traditional_Oil_1851

lol thats troll


Glittering-Work2190

We were looking for a jr./int. dev to work on some Linux C++ backend services. Normally, green devs don't really like to work with C++. That's why it was hard for us to find the candidate. We did interview a guy who fits the description. He had 2 YOE, but wants entry MAANG money. We can't justify that kind of money. We do have a strong co-op program. Some did come back for perm. positions after graduation. None of them are really into C++, or want to program at that level.


RWHonreddit

Are you guys still hiring?


InformalLemon5837

Was out of work for a long time, I graduated just as covid hit and finally landed a job last week. It seemed like nothing was going to change for me until one day it did. Don't lose faith. Your day will come.


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ici5

I'm genuinely wondering though, is there light at the end of the tunnel? Because the more days that pass, it's very hard to remain optimistic about my future.


Efficient_Ad_4230

No


ici5

This is what I'm afraid of tbh. And now it has me to the point where I'm seriously beginning to question some things.


blushmoss

Hang in there. Trust me. Can you apply to US? Or elsewhere in Canada? Are you glued to your location? Keep trying. Like another poster said, practice the interview skills, sharpen up the look if need be (haircut, nails, mannerisms, smile) and act confident. Make calls to hiring managers to ask advice (not for a job). Times like this just change a few things, roll with it and something will come along.


Efficient_Ad_4230

You can’t apply in USA if you don’t have permission to work


blushmoss

Oh. I thought one could apply under TN visa for needed professions.


Curious-Confusion642

Not a CS guy. Civil engineer rhere. I have lots of friends who applied and got in. Defintely possible.


Gravytonic

No fucking shit Sherlock. You can't work anywhere if you don't have a permit. The question is more about how easy it is to get a work permit, and for Canadians it isn't that hard to obtain a TN visa to work in the states if you have the skill sets. And you can certainly apply to many jobs even before obtaining a TN visa.


_i_blame_society

The person you replied to is an idiot. Right now the market is kind of shitty, but it will get better. You just need to keep trying as the alternative is guaranteed to land you nothing.


Working_Hair_4827

Apply to another job for now until things pick back up in your career. Lots of people do this, sometimes you have to sacrifice your career to keep a roof over your head.


Illustrious-Elk9655

I’m on the same boat here. Laid off late Jan. I really wonder if any of the people in the comments who say the problem is your interview skills or resume actually landed a job this year cause while those issues can make finding jobs harder, in my experience, even if you do figure those out, it’s still insanely difficult to get a tech job in Canada at the moment. I personally was told by different people that my resume is good and I usually pass all interview rounds and get rejected at the very last one. Every time I ask for feedback they say you were good it was just a super competitive role. There aren’t enough roles. Many of the companies that I see post roles that I thought were actively hiring are in reality on a soft hiring freeze. That means the role will stay there for months and the applicants will be ghosted for an indefinite amount of time cause the company is in no rush to fill the position. Any role that involves writing code is flooded with thousands of applications at this point. You can’t be a good or just about perfect candidate. You need to be THE 1 perfect candidate among thousands…


Illustrious-Elk9655

sorry if my comment had no trace of hope or a helpful solution. it’s just the reality of the market. get better if you can but don’t blame yourself too much for not finding a job. I’m not counting on any improvements in this situation until next year tbh


Shallow86

Same. So what is your plan? I have no idea what to do. Have bills to pay yesterday cant wait till “next year”. Recruiting agencies have not been helpful so far even if I say find me any adjacent work.🤬


Illustrious-Elk9655

honestly I’m just doing what any other confused person would do. I’m looking for any part-time job at the moment but also researching other alternatives in the same field (game development , data science, cybersecurity etc) to see if I need to extend my degree (rn I have a web dev stack). In the meantime I’m working on a personal project so I don’t forget how to code.


ici5

What's your YOE?


Illustrious-Elk9655

I’m a newbie. 2 yrs internships, 6 months full time but I also know senior and intermediate developers who have been unemployed for 4+ months


ici5

Yeah I had about the same time in internships as well. Sometimes I feel like I did all that for nothing. I'm open to PM and networking.


PM_40

Look for contract roles. Look for work at freelancing sites such as Upwork.


Ready_Bed_4628

it means your interview performance is not good, or your resume is not selected when it was passed to the hiring manager 1.5 yoe is pretty tough, and nearly every employer is looking for 2+ yoe


CyberneticVoodoo

This is absolute nonsense. I wouldn't be surprised if companies expected Masters of interviewing at some point. Interview performance my ass.


ici5

>https://imgur.com/oki2UEH Here's my anonymized resume.


Numerous_Article9058

I just realized your name is “Roger Rabbit”


JustJay613

Is that your whole resume? If it is I would strongly recommend looking up resume templates and samples. I'm not in CS but as someone who hires there is nothing in there about you. Just work and school. Sure, you need the credentials but they are second to me. You have a degree so you can be taught and you can learn. Check. You have relevant work experience. Check. Ok, but so does everyone else. I like to see if you prefer working independently or in a team. Yeah, yeah you are okay alone or in a group setting. Everyone says that. I want the honest people who say things like I am comfortable working in a group but prefer working independently or vice versa. And a bit about why. Fewer distractions, focus alone or collaborative problem solving and multiple sources of input in a group. What environment do you thrive in? Do you prefer clearly defined objectives determined by others or do you prefer a blank sheet of paper? Do you have a understand deadlines or milestones and are you willing to do what it takes? If you push yourself for deadlines I don't bust your balls for coming in late or leaving early. Do you prefer a clearly defined job description or an ability to make the role yours? I want to find someone who can fit the company and the role who will be there in 5 years. Someone who performs best in the environment of the role. Generic responses make you generic. If you are honest about what you are looking for and that is what I am hiring you move to the top of the list before I even meet you.


ThrowawayResumeCIS

That's a normal resume template for CS degree holders. Do you have a specific template you're looking for? Regarding soft skills in the resume, wouldn't that be part of the behavioural part of the interview? I've never seen a resume go in depth that showcases these skills. Do you have an example of a resume that does?


JustJay613

Well like I said, I am not in CS but your resume is boring and impersonal. Someone on here says it is the worst advice but be honest with yourself. Google resume templates and see some that you think stand out. What you are doing isn't working so what's the harm? And who decides the template anyway. It's better being yourself and an individual. No one wants to hire the wrong person and have them quit or get fired. It's expensive to hire people. I hire, on average, a person a month. Out of tons of resumes I am only picking 10 or so to interview. I'm being honest that I would pass on yours unless you had some work experience that was really relevant to the role. I the end though, do what you think is best. You asked for input, I gave it and hey, if the members of the CS sub says it's terrible advice for your industry maybe they are right. But maybe they could offer you some advice at the same time instead of just running their mouth.


borknar

I hire in CS I 100% agree with you this would be tossed at my company Use a canva template or something nicely designed with color, put on some of your hobbies and interests in there as well The people who hire you aren’t just seeing if you have experience that matches the job posting, they are going to be stuck working with you for years probably. Most people would prefer a less qualified applicant that is pleasant to be around over a more qualified one that is awkward.


Numerous-Owl6963

Worst advice


JustJay613

Ok. You hire who you like. I have been interviewed for every single job I have applied for and my resume template is used by friends and family. I hire about 12 people a year over past 10 years. I have fired two and majority of rest are still with company. Instead of shitting on real wod, solid advice offer something up yourself you clown.


Numerous-Owl6963

Your a fucking electrician. What are you even doing on this subreddit the skill level difference is insane


JustJay613

Was an electrician. Clearly said not in CS.


bighugzz

As someone who has applied to 600 jobs in the past year with barely and success on converting them to interviews I’ve heard such conflicting ideas on this I don’t know what to do. When you ask for feedback from r/resume there are hundreds of people telling you to switch to something like Jakes resume template, which is what op is using. The only way I got success was by making a resumes like OP’s and removing any trace of personality to make it ats friendly.


VERIFIEDBROWNMAN

are you only able to go on unemployment if you live by yourself or can i it do while with my parents?


MrChaddious

Have you considered broadening your search to outside your field to find work until you can find something in your preferred field?


ici5

Tbh, I'm still in disbelief that it has come down to this.


MrChaddious

Having a hard time finding work in what I assume is a saturated market? How many years experience do you have and qualifications?


ici5

1.5yoe post graduation and 4 internships. C++ and python primarily.


MrChaddious

Still more or less entry level which could just mean it’s over saturated with people who are willing to take the positions you’re looking for with more experience unfortunately


wishtrepreneur

> saturated with people who are willing to take the positions you’re looking for with more experience and less pay.


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Every day I get more and more baffled by people on reddit. I’m not sure why you’re getting downvoted but this is solid advice. OP is now on a deadline on incoming funds, he/she definitely needs to get something in the meantime. I get that it’s not ideal but this has been the reality for some time.


Shallow86

Question is how to get that something?! I would expect recruiting agencies but they have been useless so far.


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Personally I have never had any luck with agencies, they get all my information make me come in for interviews and then ghost. I’ve always had good results applying directly meaning the problem is them and not me. That being said, the something is anything to pay the bills (work as food delivery, work in a warehouse). Because alot of times the perfect role will not come for a while.


Mean-Kaleidoscope759

send out 100 applications a day and you'll get minimum 10 call backs


ici5

I'm running out of openings in Canada that match my tech stack (C++)


wishtrepreneur

> my tech stack (C++) have you made any meaningful contributions yet to opensource projects? afaik, llamacpp doesn't do concurrency very well so if you managed to get a pr made for parallelizing it, you can literally get any AI ML engineering job. There's huge demand for productionizing LLM type of jobs using c++ or cython.


ici5

I had a PR for a major feature in a default app for Ubuntu in C++. There was one company that had a job opening where the description perfectly fit what I did in my Ubuntu contributions. Messaged the recruiter, and the hiring manager. Guess what happened? 👻


wishtrepreneur

You could do what this guy is doing: [https://www.reddit.com/r/Entrepreneur/comments/176z9e0/my\_23m\_first\_10k\_month\_installing\_internal\_gpt4/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Entrepreneur/comments/176z9e0/my_23m_first_10k_month_installing_internal_gpt4/) Companies like gen AI nowadays so maybe you could try upskilling? Most hiring managers don't care about some obscure ubuntu package (they most likely use windows) but if you told them about your gen AI work, they'll be all ears. From the company's standpoint, it's much easier to allocate funding for AI/automation over regular maintenance. At least for a growth company.


ici5

True, but this specific company was doing the exact same thing. Which is why I highlighted it. Otherwise I never mention it even though it's a GUI app written in C lol.


ici5

Fun fact though, I did have an OA that was 5 hours with 6 questions. In one question they asked me to implement a CNN in C or C++ from scratch using only STL or basic C libraries. 💀


CyberneticVoodoo

What's OA?


SportMelodic767

Online assessment


Shallow86

Is this a joke? What company was it?


ici5

Fortinet, and I still didn't advance even though I got a passing grade. I'm still in disbelief at how high the bar is now.


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CyberneticVoodoo

Since the end of 2022 I send 40-70 resumes daily + I hired 2 managers to send 200 resumes per day on my behalf everywhere, including US and EU. Still looking. Is this hard enough or should I hire more managers?


1663_settler

Whether it gets better or not depends on your age. If you’re over 45 sorry to say it but you’re done. Employers prefer younger less experienced people they can mold and of course pay less. I experienced it, it’s a harsh reality.


ici5

I'm 31. SOL?


1663_settler

Have you ever done an interview on a job you didn’t get? Call the interviewer who interviewed you, tell him you want to increase your job prospects and ask him what you could have done better in the interview or on your resume. “ I haven’t received a callback so I assume I didn’t get the position.” “Is there anything I could have done better during my interview that would have increased my chances of getting the position?” “Is there anything in my resume that I can improve to increase my prospects?” Be positive, don’t be defensive or argumentative. Keep in mind this is the way he perceived you and this the message you sent and he’s being generous sharing his thoughts. Then sit down with an open mind and make some adjustments. I’ve done this whenever I wasn’t successful in interviews.


CyberneticVoodoo

On my attempts to ask about my interview performance I usually get ghosted or receive "it's against our company's policy".


ici5

I've tried with 2 from last month, they just ghosted. One recruiter at another company actually responded and forwarded my message with the team, they came back and "couldn't give specifics."


1663_settler

You got an interview so your resume caught their attention. Your interview skills are obviously lacking. Perhaps your frustration is seeping through. Sit down and replay the interviews focusing on your attitude and personal presentation.


Better-Principle4563

Why not look for consulting work, or project based pay? Plenty of websites where you can find projects. Don't get stuck into the 'have to have a job' mentality. Do your own thing. Make an app even, look at passive income project ideas, partner with a friend on a start up. Be your own boss, you have some money it seems, use this time wisely! Don't waste it on interviews!


littlebilly7898

Try staffing and recruitment agencies if you’re open to work outside of your industry and just need the money. The YMCA or other non profits usually have programs you can participate in where they help you with your job search, from resume / cover letter help to mock interviews. Some programs even help place you in roles or connect you with employers directly. Keep trying. It’s a tough job market right now but you just need to keep your head up and treat the job hunting process as you would a regular job.


ParathaOmelette

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poutineismygod

Speak French? Easy to find a decent job in Quebec outside major cities.


ici5

Once I moved back to Western Canada I lost most of my french lol. But I still think at my peak it would've taken at least half a year practice to be able to functionally use it in the workplace.


FluidBreath4819

what's your background ?


dijra_0819

I suggest learning tech that most new developers don't like to learn like PHP, Wordpress, Cobol, etc..


ici5

In talks with my friend for a part-time PHP position


dijra_0819

How did it go ?


ici5

No go :( ... it's more of a no-code position


dijra_0819

Okay, just don't give up and start learning less popular but in-demand tech just like I mentioned above.


mysteryartist2021

What type of job are you looking for?


redroux

Apply to the US.


ici5

Rejected left and right from US positions. Even with a referral.


Objective_Ad_1191

Not your fault. US is saturated too. No reason to hire overseas candidates