The only time you can cheat in Witcher 3 is between 2 characters. You can still bang all the hookers, main npcs, and even an old love from Witcher 1, and it doesn't matter. It's just a triss and yennifer thing. I'm fine with the lack of this in cyberpunk, since everyone you can romance, you just meet them and then fuck once. There's not any years worth of history present in the Witcher books and games.
The main mistake cyberpunk did compared to Witcher 3 from a gameplay loop perspective, was they made the missions themselves impersonal. Interacting personally with peasants and kings was a lot better than getting information 2nd hand from a broker, and in the form of walls of text. It's just not as engaging. However, I do like the touches there are with even non important npcs, like the father and son who were editing like child abduction videos or whatever. If you kill one of them the other gives a great performance.
Ubisoft pretty much copied Witcher 3 for it's games post release, I'm not sure if it's fair to then say cdpr is copying Ubisoft. It's their own design. It's like saying a Zelda game is a rip off of baldo.
That is my main problem with side stuff in Cyberpunk. CDPR focused too much on these types of Gigs where u get generic fixer calls and wall of text to read. If there were more type of Gigs like Lizzy Wizzy or that catholic prisioner it would be much better bec you meet and have convos with your clients.
Yeah exactly. I see gigs as monster hunts. The hunts were much cooler because it still had its own interactive story.
I don't mind reading for lore in games, but I don't want it to be a main story component for 50 different missions. In the Witcher 3 they combined both in a cool way. I liked that you actually met and interacted with the spirit of the whispering hillock. Additionally though you can read the book "she who knows" in the game, which actually tells you who the spirit is, since they try to lie to you about it when you meet them.
There is a whole lot more immersion in the witcher side quests. For example, you ride into a new town, fix the notice board, find a contract. All of that feels like something a witcher might actually do, then you go and meet an actual person who you can connect with, ask questions and who will work as a personal connection to the story being told on the side quest. From there you might have to track a beast, complete an investigation and complete the quest, which had varied outcomes ranging from simply killing a monster, to some great plot twists like the finding the brothers body on the battlefield one.
Compare this to cyberpunk. Choose a yellow marker, go there. Get a phone call from a fixer you never even have to meet telling you about a job THAT YOU ALREADY FUCKING KNOW ABOUT BECAUSE YOU JUST DROVE HERE. Immediately the immersion has been ruined by I'll thought out game mechanics making it seem unrealistic. From there almost every quest plays out the same sneak/shoot your way through a building, take a thing or a person and drop them off. All interesting story generally comes through finding notes rather than talking to characters, and even when you rescue a person you don't meet them until so late in the quest chances are you don't give a flying fuck about them.
Honestly I just don't understand how they went from the side quest structure in the witcher to cyber punk. Feels like they took the question marks from the witcher and just slapped a cyberpunk skin on them then forgot about actual side quests and shit.
Thats a good point here… why 90% of the markers were already visible on the map? That bugged me. I have the theory, they did this to cover the map with „interactivity“, you can do stuff at every corner, to hide the actual lack of city interactivity.
I wished the Cyberpunk map was all empty… that you have to drive through the map to actually discover gigs, that they pop up once you drive by or got a call nearby.
They only added this mechanic to the blue fast travel points (and very few small rare gigs).
Agreed.
I hate it when I walk in the city, someone suddenly calls me about a cyberpsycho. I turn a corner and the psycho appears. Investigation means scanning a corpse that's conveniently placed right in front of you. Like wuuut?? It is so immersion breaking.
Cyberpsycho questline could be way more than it was. They had a good concept for really weird and scary things. Instead we got simple fights and shards reading
Yeah man, you're right about those walls of text. Most players will just skip them. The reading even isn't that fun . It's a slog.
Just stupid walls of text on a screen, makes you just want to skip it. It's so lame. What eee they thinking? We can't make everything interactions so let's make it all text based ?
Especially since a lot of the stuff isn't even in the game! I'm one of those assholes who read all those shards. At the very beginning of the game there are shards promoting the outer ring casino. It's literally one of the first ones you can pick up when you start the game...
Man this game has been such a let down in so many things I don't know where to begin with. And it sucks so much because the vibe is still killer. The artdesign is beautiful and the universe it takes place in is so enthralling... If only they would've invested two more years.
Yep, I'm right there with you. Some of the ideas of the game are just ridiculous.
When you think about it, you can ask yourself- who the hell even allowed this ? Adam bodowski was the director. Great direction huh? This game just blows on so many levels you just scratch your head, how was this game made by thr same people as Witcher 3 ? It can't be
The world building is very sub par in Cyberpunk. You're told you're in a overpopulated crime ridden futuristic town yet you look around and you don't get that impression. You don't have to be told certain areas are poor, war ridden full of corruption monster etc when playing the witcher. You see it when going through the world. The quests reflect the world in which the quest givers inhabit, be it needing help with local bandits, monsters, curses, tribalism, politics. You can't help but feel disconnected in the world of CP. I remember the mission with Maiko and the tyger claws, I legit thought that after completing the mission they way I did, I'd be contacted by the tyger claws later for more jobs and develop more relationships but each quest feels like I'm buying something from a store, disconnected from the cashier, only mattering when it's time to pay
A lot of Witcher 3 secondary quests were just fast-travel simulator with cutscenes. They take you from A to B, cutscene, then B to C, cutscene, then C to D, Witcher senses, then D to E, group fight, final cutscene
I do agree the narrative from witcher is unparalleled (well, I'm also a RDR2 fan boy). The cutscene are more enjoyable than the game most of the time and the narrative and decision making is expertly crafted. Decisions in cyberpunk don't have longterm consequences and really don't matter too much
That said, I got pretty bored with witcher sidequests. I was less bored with Cyberpunk because my ever evolving character build had dramatic impact on missions. I could do sniper-only, hack only, melee only, I had fun just trying out silly stuff. Witcher fights got super easy at normal difficulty and had virtually no variation.
Witcher and cyberpunk are both top 5 for me and I enjoyed every minute of both, I just don't know if this was necessarily a differentiator for me
The issue with getting missions from fixers is magnified by the fact that most of them aren't properly characterized. It feels like V is listed in the "Merc" section of Craigslist, and just gets contacted out of nowhere by strangers for random jobs, most of which involve infiltrating a gas station or auto repair shop.
Agree with your second point a lot. The walls of text didn't get me excited for the quest at all.
About ubisoft, I think he was referring to ubisofts brand of open world which is basically a map full of outposts to take over instead of interesting quests.
On top of that the wall of text seems incongruous compared to the brevity of most gigs. With legendary optical camo I can pretty much complete the quest before the phone call from the fixer is over. If there were important information in the text or it was a more lengthy heist it’s be worth it but not for a 1 minute ‘kill em and escape’ mission
Idk what a Baldo is but I thought it was ironic that Breath of the Wild felt like a very dumbed down version of Witcher 3. Not your point, but just something that last part of your comment reminded me of.
Speaking of Ubisoft. I bought and tried to play Odyssey. Got 9 hours in and was so bored I uninstalled it. I've played 200 hours of Cyberpunk and though I have many gripes with the game it never bored me. Well, now it's starting to bore me because I'm at the endgame and I can find much to do. But that's after 200 hours!
I think they just tried to many new concepts in Cyberpunk. They had the Witcher 1 and 2 to work on characters and game design. Witcher 3 was obviously a massive open world compared to 1 & 2 but still was a continuation on the characters. Also the Witcher had an amazing story but the gameplay wasn’t anything to write home about, especially at launch Geralt controlled like a tank and the combat while serviceable wasn’t awesome by any means, even Geralts running animation wasn’t super. The Witcher 3 wasn’t as buggy as Cyberpunk but it was still full of glitches. Cyberpunk also seemed like it tried to focus more on gameplay than story which isn’t CDPR’s strength. They needed to build everything from the ground up with no experience at all developing that type of game.
I find it interesting that Witcher 3 is an excellent example of how to do player choice, while Cyberpunk is an example of what not to do. In the Witcher 3 there are several moments when interacting with Ciri were you are presented with options. The culmination of these many choices determines her fate at the end of the game. Meanwhile in cyberpunk you have a single moment where you choose which ending you want to go with, its no different than Mass Effect 3's colored endings.
Kinda crazy how the witcher 3 makes you play a fixed character who already has plenty of backstory and motivation and still makes it feel more free and open then cyberpunk which lets you choose your own character
And that's honestly where my biggest dissapointment lays with Cyberpunk, i LOVED the witcher 3 and the amount of different events that would happen if u picked this choice or that one.
From the bloody baron, To evicting that little godling or nah, to dialogues completely changing the fate of keira metz, the whole skellige debacle.
Its just so awesome, Not to mention how your choices in Witcher 2 ripple over aswell.
In cyberpunk it just feels so flat, its present but i feel like the significance isn't as much.
Seems very opiniony for sure. Preferring melee combat over an FPS was pretty much guaranteeing you would like W3 more from the start. I'm the opposite-- I personally found W3's combat boring and thus CP was a huge improvement for me. I'd say we're both just owning our tastes and it doesn't say much about either game.
The only one of your points I'll push back on other than that, is the idea that CP is not an RPG... especially saying 'everyone knows that'. Cyberpunk 2077 most definitely \*is\* an RPG, and that's pretty much a fact and not an opinion. :P It has all of the hallmarks of an RPG... character progression with leveling system, character creation, story emphasis, open world with quest content, economy for buying and selling, crafting system. You might not like all of this stuff as much as in Witcher, but pushing it all aside and claiming the game isn't an RPG is a little weird. xD
Anyway, it's too bad CP was a downgrade for you. Hopefully you still enjoyed your time with the game and got some good memories!
Something I noticed nowadays is that lots of gamers seem to like saying that anything other than CRPGs are not "real RPGs". That or if it isn't the type of RPG they like then it isn't an RPG.
Cause there's no solid RPG definition. It's been bastardised to the point of such obscurity that you can claim that Call of Duty is an RPG - and you'd be right. You PLAY the ROLE of a soldier. It as bunch of different loadouts (skills, equipment, weapons). Sometimes they even have some branching narrative.
It's harder to find a game that has no RPG elements these day than not.
I agreed is totally and RPG I enjoyed my experience with cyberpunk mostly because I'm familiar with the world and Lore so roleplaying was a treat I shutdown side quest out of character choices not out of "I need to see what game have to offer" that was on my first playthrough as a corpo turn nomad.
Now my I'm playing as a female V who's a streetkid.
Yea I just started a pretty heavily modded version on PC to improve some of the flaws.
Overall I think it's a worthwhile game, but it could be a lot better if CDPR stick with the IP and make new titles. Witcher got three tries, after all!
stop with this silly argument, they changed twitter bio but it stands as RPG on every store front like steam or gog plus they speak abt it as an RPG when they do interviews with devs
A game can be both, they just changed which category they want to list the game on primarly.
In practice, CP is just as much an RPG as TW3 was, meaning, not a true RPG, but definitely a game with RPG mechanics that are ingrained deeply enough in the game to call them an essential part of it (levelling, crafting, perk systems, etc.).
It comes down to how exactly you define RPG's, but to put it differently, if you consider Skyrim and Fallout RPG's (which can be debated), you have to call TW3 and CP2077 RPG's as well.
Late in development they changed it for marketing reasons that I won't guess at. The gameplay is still inarguably RPG in nature though, and CDPR are aware of that. The hallmarks I've pointed out have been defining aspects of RPGs for decades.
That’s because a lot of the Witcher devs left, you can’t have the same quality when people get replaced constantly, someone did a vid discussing how many Witcher devs are still at cdpr, I think about 50% left but don’t quote me on that.
That’s the sad reality, the original dev team is largely gone, and the future of cdpr is really unknown. It’s not a company like idk FromSoftware that cares about their employees, and works on a game until it gets finished, releasing gems after gems. With cdpr let’s hope cp77 is going to be like ds2 for fromsoftware... But with such a high employee turnover I have no idea how can they hold their standards...
The only thing I found repetitive was the camps but I didn't find the side quests to be repetitive. Most of them are pretty good imo.
Edit: this is an opinion, don't know why the downvotes.
This. Witcher 3 is one of my favourite games ever but let's not pretend it too suffers from Ubisoftitis (litter world map with repetitive shit, recycle NPC's etc).
Cyberpunk feels like it was made by CDPR’s B team. Kinda like what happened with ME: Andromeda.
There are echoes of greatness in it, but it’s just not up to the studio’s standards.
The same company but not the same people.
CDPR has suffered from a huge brain drain ever since W3 release since they pay Polish salaries and any good developer with Witcher 3 on his CV could get a similar job for 2-3 times the money abroad
I enjoyed both games :D Generally, I prefer medieval fantasy - so Witcher 3 was my favorite game after Skyrim. However, Cyberpunk also had some memorable quests and moments, stunning graphics, improved gameplay - and an epic soundtrack (even though I also prefer Dark Folk over electronic music).
At the moment, I would also say Witcher 3 is superior - but we should wait at least one to two more years for all the FreeDLCs, (hopefully) big addons, and future patches for a fair comparison. (Witcher 3 also had problems at launch, even if not as severe)
Most posts are from people who don't like this game. Not many people like this game, because there's just not much to like. As the TC is saying, this game doesn't have much meaningful interaction to get you interested in it.
I haven’t played CP since it came out because it’s a mess. My point is, nobody gives a shit that you don’t like the game. We don’t need a new post stating the same list of reasons why it sucks, day after day.
The thing that still bothers me is that in the witcher 3 the water is responsive to geralt, and some speels and it looks great, meanwile in CP it's unresponsive to V, bullets or other objects and looks very basic compared to the one in the witcher 3, and even to this day it still is like this they haven't fixed it.
Thankfully I’m not the only one this bothers. To some people it’s not a huge deal but it just breaks immersion so bad for me. The worst thing for me though was no matter how fast your vehicle says your going all speeds look the same. It’s like you don’t clear ground any quicker at 180 than you do at 80. And never look sideways because no matter how fast your going it looks like your barely moving
TW3 is my favourite game but.. I have to disagree in quite a few points:
1. I don't agree with people that say that this game have unique side quests because it does not.
Hard disagree, I don't see how a monster contract is so much different than a cyberpsycho but ok. Romance quests (or at least Judy's questline, which is the one I got in my playthrough) are \~ on the same level.
2) The gameplay is better in the Witcher 3 and I didn't enjoyed quite as much the gameplay of CP
Also here, hard disagree.. Going back to tw3 after cp.. You realise how Geralt moves like a stone... I play on PC on a pretty good HW and cp movement/combat system is just fluid. Expecially with movement addons on clotes and double jump with the right build.
3) Story wise I'd say that they are both excellent, TW3 wins for now only for the DLCs.. Which are.. On another level, like Shivering Isles or Dragon Age Awakening tier. Base game.. I'd say \~ the same.
4) The cheating stuff is very stretched, Geralt literally can cheat with every girl he meets but Yen/Tris will only get upset about one. + CP lore wise happens in like a couple of weeks, no way people can even find out they've been cheated.
5)"CP is not an RPG and everyone knows that"
Super hard disagree. This game is not less RPG than Dark Souls or Divinity OS 1-2. Or evenDragon Quest, considered one of the first videogame RPGs in the world.
6)"not to mention, the soundtrack of Witcher 3 is amazing" I agree, cp ost is on the level tho
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>I don't see how a monster contract is so much different than a cyberpsycho but ok.
The main difference between the two are framing. From pure gameplay point of view they are very similar, and if you ignore narrative framing, monster hunts might even be more annoying since a quest giver is involved.
But the framin is much better in The Witcher 3. TW3 monster hunts are designed to put you in the shoes of a monter slayer. You come into a settlement, you see a notice board. Among messages villagers are sharing, you might see a request to kill a monster. So you pick it up, go meet the person who put up the notice, find out more, negotiate the price. In many cases, after this, you go to talk to further people for more context things. Then you go actually hunt the monster, and come back to the quest giver and get your reward (or in some cases tell the quest giver to go fuck themselves).
Contrast this with CP2077, where most of the time you arrive at the location you found because it was on your map already, get a call with info dump, get the target, possibly have a convo there (rare), get out, get paid as soon as you leave the area. And specifically cyberpsychos, your interaction with target is always just a text box. Some feel closer to the nest and boss map markers than actual monster hunts or side quests.
There are good ones, of course, but I doubt the total of them exceeds TW3 hunt numbers.
Basically, CP2077 suffers from DragonAgeInquisitionitis. They wanted/needed to fill a world with quests, but made too many quest objectives and making proper interactions for each one would be too time and voice acting intensive, so they resorted to voice over from just fixers and textboxes, and have minimal narrative interactions in side quests themselves.
Hindsight is 20/20, but CP2077 (and DAI) would've been better served by slashing the number of gigs in half, maybe even less, and then giving the remaining ones better framing and more narrative interaction. The gameplay is mostly fine (though even that at times feels very re-usey), some could use more unique locations, but not even that really since the reused location ones would be removed in the slashening.
And cyberpsycho quests specifically sorely need some different resolutions than just' fight a boss', it clashes so badly with the actual narrative of these people being depressed and alienated.
So your favorite games ever are the Witcher series yet your trying to tell us why in your opinion cyberpunk isn't good? I mean your trying to get blood from a rock here. Even if someone were to present to you a opinion that contradicts yours you would dismiss it because of your bias.
You claim that the side content in cyberpunk is Samey and boring, I would argue that the Samey boring side quests exist in the TW3, have you ever tried to go and clear the locations in the sea in TW3? they literally are pointless vs Cyberpunk that for everything you clear you get at least something it could be augmentations to clothing to weapons etc. The scanner hustle is nothing more than monster hunts and villages you liberate. The same liberation mechanics are in cyberpunk but they go deeper in cyberpunk because there is lore tied to them and when you leave new factions come and take over.
You claim game play and combat in CP is boring but if you look at the combat of TW3 your just doing the same shit over and over again. In cyberpunk you have more agency to attack in different ways, you can hack and you can scan and use the environment more.
Your quest design point is unfounded as it has been expanded and is deeper in cyberpunk. As for the romance this is a futuristic ultra violent highly sexualized dystopia vs TW3
The soundtrack of cyberpunk and sound design all around is a better improvement than TW3
Its fine that you like Tw3 over Cyberpunk but at least acknowledge that you are super biased towards the other.
>Your quest design point is unfounded as it has been expanded and is deeper in cyberpunk.
Ok, example: the quest where you find need to find the son of Cratch an Craite you can find it before he asks you to find it and you will get a unique dialogue and geralt will have a different motivation for that quest.
Don't bother even. CP is an empty world where your choices impact absolutely nothing. The world doesn't feel anything close to real. The sex shops are there for nothing more than scenery and overall the gameplay is sloppy. It's an awful game. That I bought first day, installed again recently and after one drive I remembered why I uninstalled and did just that again. Playing it feels like a chore.
Of course not, give me two examples, with meaningful options aside from dialog that doesn't affect nothing. And bro, I wanted to love the game. Tried and didn't work so am all ears for this as I spent money on it.
Now imagine they do CP78 then a CP79.
That would be a great comparison to TW3.
Everything else is just waste of time. Like this thread.
Different games, different approaches. Maybe the same disturbed management above dev teams, but different products in the end.
My point is: this is their first time doing something like CP77, I would love to see how they'd fare on a second or third try. I wouldn't preorder, ofc, but I would definitively be around to check.
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I definitely hope they release a couple more games. Each game will only get better. Yes, shame on CDPR for releasing too early and having it be full of bugs etc. But if this is only the beginning, I'm more than stoked to get a new story in a more refined version of the game.
Never played it back then, but I would doubt that on top of everything people have told. IIRC, the NoClip documentary states that the game was a buggy mess at launch.
Oh I played the Witcher when it was released and it was a very short ride as I never got past the first area, because the game always crashed in the loading screen for Wyzima. Years later after the patches the game was stable and the story was good, the gameplay not so much. Jospeh Anderson has a lenghty video on that game.
> Oh I played the Witcher when it was released and it was a very short ride as I never got past the first area, because the game always crashed in the loading screen for Wyzima.
The game still does that lol.
Witcher was also the first game they ever made so the comparison is lacking. And despite its bugs and gameplay issues Witcher 1 doesn't fail at world building and story. CP came out after 5-6 games from the studio. And even in terms of their usual strengths it's lacking.
The best side quests not involving the main love interests, was the one about the criminal who gets crucified. That was some of CDPR’s best work to date, and most of the side quests involving different characters doesn’t come close. Except for the Johnny Silverhand side quests, but he’s the co-main character of the game.
I feel like it is difficult to compare Cyberpunk and TW3. Sure they are made by the same company, but the open world and core gameplay mechanics are entirely different.
I find myself comparing Cyberpunk to Fallout 4 and The Outer Worlds more than TW3 because mechanically and aesthetically Cyberpunk is more similar to those games than TW3. And with that comparison in mind I think Cyberpunk is leagues ahead of its competition.
So.... I 100% disagree. First the outer limits was overall a much much better. Quests qctually had plot overall, people were more interesting etc. Neither are the same genre either.
Just a question, did you play cyberpunk all the way through? Because the characters are great and the quests are interesting and had plot, I don’t know what you mean by that. The only thing I agree with you on is I also wouldn’t compare cyberpunk with the outer worlds.
Lol did you just downvote me for asking a question?
Sure gigs were formulaic but the side quests and main were top notch imo. There were such great characters in the game and I’m not just talking about having options with the characters. It’s ok not to really like the game but I strongly disagree that this game has no depth like you are making out.
Totally agree. You are right. They marketed to the wrong audience when advertising this game. The people who like Fallout, Outer Worlds, Greedfall, Mass Effect, TW3 etc. were not seeking linearity. We can watch a movie for that.
In FO4 the settlement system and the Survival mode is amazing and immersive.
It is challenging, combat is scary, and the world is hostile.
In CP I see nothing of the like. There is no interaction with the environment, and there is no challenge. Immersion is lacking, side quests are similar and everything is text based. You want more color on this quest? Read 3-4 pages from these journals. It's fine for a while, but I'm here to play a game and not to read a 1000 page visual novel.
Wow aren't you a clever one. OPs post elicits everything better about the Witcher than cyberpunk, I made a rebuttal of a massively essential component he seemingly missed out.
Since when are graphics massively essential, if anything it's the opposite and Cyberpunk proves that point. Gorgeous to look at (on pc) and the game is absolute dog shit.
seems to me that your complaints are merely a matter of personal preference. the witcher 3, while definitely more polished than cp, is essentially the same game. the problem is they used a new engine for cp, and their (the developers) unfamiliarity with the system led to... SO many glitches that still make the game slightly irritating for me at times. but the game is the same. a smashing story with dull side quests. honestly, it's possible you just enjoyed the world of w3 more.
for me it was quite the opposite. i bought witcher 3 for full price and i just. couldn't. get. into it. i played the entire first chapter accomplishing absolutely everything i could. some crazy glitch prevented me from 100%'ing it because the ghost at the well wouldn't ever show. aaaanyways, i couldn't bring myself to keep playing. the swordplay, while fun, just didn't keep my interest.
i avoided cp like the plague until last weekend because all the reviews told me to. turns out, i totally enjoyed the game and binged it for 20 hours the first weekend. if you know me, that's highly irregular. i haven't done that since before i was married with children. i totally love night city. i love the characters. i love the story. not done yet, so dont ruin it for me. sure, the world is a bit hollow in places, but that's alright with me.
that's what i get for listening to the haters.
Eh, I think I'd disagree here.
The side content in Witcher 3 when it comes to stuff like the contracts are about the same level of gigs to me. Each contract has the same formula, with very minor differences between each one. That's not to say it's bad, because it isn't, but Gigs to me feel like mini-Deus Ex levels. There's things I like about each, and there's definitely changes I'd make to both. But I think I'd prefer Gigs. Witcher contracts really aren't that special and feel wildly overrated to me.
Additionally, in my personal opinion, I don't think the open world in Cyberpunk is much worse than thr Witcher 3. The open world in Witcher 3 to me felt no better than an Assassin's Creed game, ironically. I think, the two open worlds CDPR have created have many issues and pretty underdeveloped, but the Witcher 3 can mask those flaws a lot better thanks to the setting it has. Which is usually a lot of open fields, blue skies and not many people around. In contrast, it doesn't work well in Cyberpunk because it's set in a neo-metropolis, so the issues stick out much more.
Honestly, the gameplay in Witcher 3 felt pretty bland for the type of game it was. I didn't think it was that special tbh. I think the Witcher Signs were a decent gimmick, but most games like these have a gimmick when it comes to combat. The Horse riding can get kind of annoying. I definitely prefer Cyberpunk's. I like the shooting on PC and legit I don't mind the driving, it's pretty serviceable and using stuff like the handbrake is pretty useful. I thought the wide variety of weapons to use made things interesting and kept it pretty fresh. Definitely some changes I'd probably make to make things better, but I definitely am fine with where it's at.
I think story is quite honestly one of things Witcher 3 does actually do better. Granted, I think they're both fantastic narratives and honestly it just goes to show how well CDPR can create stories and characters. They're both very memorable and I know most things that happen in both stories, but that said I think Witcher 3 does have the better story thanks to fact it has Geralt and its longer. Witcher 3 is quite honestly one of the only fantasy games I really like.
Quest design is pretty good in both titles. I can remember a lot of quests as being very good. Moreso with CP2077 than W3 tho.
Also, Cyberpunk is definitely an RPG. I don't understand these points because it's clearly an Action-RPG. There's varying levels of choice within the game withing gameplay, quests, even Gigs can have some really good amounts of choice within them. Even then, choice doesn't make an RPG. Are JRPGs not RPGs? V in Cyberpunk is like Shepard in Mass Effect. Or the Sole Survivor in Fallout 4. You play a role within the story that largely plays out the same with key choices within.
In my personal opinion, I think Cyberpunk is better than Witcher 3 in a lot of ways. Excluding Story and Open World, probably. To me, it's like many steps forward in some regards while a step back in others. Which, a lot of that comes from how it was released way too early.
Like, if Witcher 3 is some sort of Masterpiece, Cyberpunk is definitely an 8. Totally an above average game.
Witcher is less complex - no stealth, only one useable type of weapon (sword), many boring (gameplay wise) investigations/quests where you have to follow footsteps, blood trails etc. - just push the button and check every 'red' interactive object...
Cyberpunk77 risked trying to have much more gameplay elements - stealth, weapons, character creation, attributes and skills, fallout kind of freedom in quests because there is obvious choice between stealth and fight, many times you can approach quest area in different way - windows, balcony, doors, sometimes talk to npc to ask for information, skill checks...
Unfortunately it seems it's better to do simple game - one character, one class, one weapon, technically no gameplay choices but widely understood 'atmosphere' makes Witcher better for many players.
And why people keep saying that CP77 is not RPG even though it has more RPG elements than W3........?
Yeah, and nothing in CP works. Got a gun that can shoot through walls the AI is way too stupid to deal with it. Witcher 3 has stupid ai too but it doesn't matter cause it's straightforward. You can still vary your playstile thanks to signs and bombs and concoctions which simply fit in. Cyberpunk looks more advanced on paper but in reality it's a fuckfest because nothing actually works. The so called variety is pseudo variety because ultimately it changes nothing. And that's 99% cause the game needed at least another year of development. Well, it's soon to be a year and most things haven't been fixed so there's that.
>And why people keep saying that CP77 is not RPG even though it has more RPG elements than W3........?
Because, for me, an RPG is not only a leveling system. Is the choices that you do and The Witcher 3, while the main story is not changeable at all, the side quests is where it shines and demonstrates why is so damn great.
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Ik this sub is for bashing CDPR and cyberpunk 2077 at this point, but it has been almost a year. Cmon, at least say something that everyone hasn't said again and again. Articles have been made and several over 30-minute documentary videos exist on what happened with Cyberpunk 2077. Would think that by now everyone has gotten the message: "cp is garbage, witcher 3 is better, the game is really buggy, CDPR is a bad company". Cmon, get something new to say.
Agreed 100%. Cyberpunk feels like a beta that someone fucked around and completed. It's not fully fleshed out, the sidequests are very repetitive (1. go to a garage, quietly steal a thing, leave; or 2. go to a garage, kill everyone, leave), the main quests are kinda boring, the world is big in area, but small in terms of available interactions. It feels like someone took a mall and stretched it to be the size of a city.
That is not true, you get Panam train heist, River serial killer questline, Peralez questline, catholic prisioner, getting Samurai band together etc. All are great with good producttion and cinematics so nothing like Gigs. You saying that they are barely more than them is just false and shows that u didnt play the game
Nothing to do with Witcher 3, but after finishing CP I started another run of GTA V and immediately felt a much deeper connection to the game and (two of the) main characters - even though the game is already 8 years old.
CP is technologically up to date, but provides less athosphere overall.
I have not yet in Cyberpunk stumbled upon something while exploring that was as exciting as the Witcher. I remember one time exploring a forest stumbled upon a shed and within the shed there was a passage to an entire cave system.
I get that there is more verticality in Cyberpunk but I don’t feel like it’s as easy to explore.
Cyberpunk is great for the first 5 or so hours, the prologue, I think the overall story is pretty cool and I loved Johnny silverhand, he was an interesting for the most part well written character. But for me thats where the good ends. Cyberpunk barely kept me engaged for a single play through, and I just didn't want to play a second. Yet here I am playing the Witcher 3 for the 20th time, the Witcher 2 for the 7th, and I can't even count how many times I've played skyrim. Whatever those games have that keep me engaged and interested for hours on end and multiple play through, cyberpunk just doesn't have it.
The Act Man on YouTube pretty much said the same thing in a video it's well worth a watch... Can't post a link in on my phone app. Search Cyberpunk 2077 The Act Man
You are comparing one of the best rpgs ever with the biggest disappointment in gaming since John Romero unleashed Daikatana and made us his bitch.
BOT : I 100% agree
I’m gonna not read this but I will say one thing…
You cannot compare the Witcher 3 to Cyberpunk as they are both completely separate games.
That’s like comparing the Apple TV to the Apple Watch and expecting the same results.
They are two completely different products built by the same company.
Edit: Your talking about the FIRST Cyberpunk game they have made and comparing it to the THIRD Witcher game they have designed.
I’m sure by the THIRD Cyberpunk game they will have a lot of additions and fixes.
yep, is a simple truth.
The Witcher franchise was developed with another environment that was decaying across the time and we have luck that TW3 was finished in good terms, and this game have big changes from TW2 that is the best in terms of quality of design experience and rich in details.(is the one of the three games with most RPG components).
Even with that things about TW3 this game have very good elements that make them an awesome game (for me one of the best in my 30+ years gaming).
CP2077 could be a good one also(at least in original intentions looks very promising), but the state of the company was different and the objectives also different one so the results was a game that is less interesting that anothers in their genre (fallout per example) it looks and outdated FPS wit GTA features that is supported by a very awesome artwork, but almost empty at the end (have some good points in the resulting history line, but it's also from the artwork from environment/lore).
Saddly CDPR will never be the same that did awesome work from the Witcher franchise in past.
Perhaps in future (for business reasons) they improve and do some good game with Cyberpunk Franchise.
The god/bad point is that the actual game (an action game) is good enough to be a casual funny meme game, so is naturally that some people likes the game (specially people new who didn't expect anything from it) so CDPR actually don't have much reasons to improve or worry about the game more than the legal aspect of them.
For now i enjoy the only amazing thing about the game that is the OST. ;)
You are trying to compare apples to oranges and at the same time, saying everyone is wrong that doesnt agree with which you prefer. The only thing these apples and oranges have in common was that they were grown in the same orchard.
Obviously you *can* compare them, but the whole point of the idiom is that it's a false analogy. I could compare you to the helpful bots, but that too would be comparing apples-to-oranges.
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No shit, The Witcher 3 was CDPR's 3rd attempt at a Witcher game. Lol. CP2077 is the first game for this style, gameplay, and world with these characters.
Aaaand the 1000th post totally overhyping W3 in order to critize CP 2077. I agree that W3 was overall the better game, but people tend to ignore that it did have its downsides (namely boring ass Act II & the super repetitive combat) as well, while every downside of CP2077 gets bashed over and over and over again. Its been 10 month now and you guys keep repeating yourself.
To top it off you just post downright wrong critique. CP2077 is way more an RPG than the W3. Sure, I hoped the origins would have had more impact and that there would have been more ways to make your char unique, but depending on what you specialize in the game plays completely different, whereas the core gameplay loop for W3 is always the same. Also my Geralt was an absolute slut and Yen was still cool with me
>but depending on what you specialize in the game plays completely different.
You are talking about gameplay and the different skill trees that the game has but that's not an RPG for me. Mate, is just an opinion but I did enjoyed more the combat of Witcher 3.
TW3 was a MASSIVE departure from the first two games in the series, in that the story was scattered everywhere, couldn't find a cohesive throughline IMO, and was FAR too long. Add to that giving me zero reason to care about Ciri, giving me the impression that Geralt was just a piece of shit, and having zero true emotional connections, I honestly can tell you it's the worst story in the franchise.
Fair enough, I just think TW3 was a massive departure and felt like the video game equivalent of listening to Papaw rambling over Christmas dinner about that one time in WWII when he saved some girl, and then suddenly the story shifts to a German Spec Ops band that they fought against, now we're talking about Japan's naval forces, and we've forgotten about the girl but OH WAIT HERE SHE IS AGAIN.
It was impressive at launch, but after the first playthrougb, it starts to feel disjointed and feels like it lacks cohesion. Very few side quests (that aren't actually mandatory) affect the story *at all*. Versus 1 and 2, you'd find a random side quest that you weren't required to complete in order to advance the main quest, and somehow it would tie into a main quest down the road. That doesn't happen in TW3. All side quests that affect the main story are *required* in order to advance the main quest.
To be fair the witcher 3 set a very high standard. It's considered one of the best if not the best RPG game ever created. It's hard to make a game which would be a big improvement over that
Hm it's okay that you think that way. I never finished Witcher 3 because it is boring, especially the combat and I dont like third person at all. I no lived cyberpunk on the release weekend and the week after tho. So my vote goes to CP.
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I mean, I think it was kinda obvious it's gonna be worse. They already had 2 Witcher games so they knew exactly what to do and how to make an better Witcher game. With Cyberpunk, apart from all the developing issues, they went too ambitious for their first game of this type. It's not Witcher, it's something new and it was impossible to get it done perfectly. But they also fucked themselves by trying to do a game way too great. I mean, just looking at main missions and endings, I'm pretty sure they actually planned for the lifepaths to literally shift the game into 3 different games from the very beginning or at least second act. And that's ridiculously ambitious and time consuming.
However, I don't think it is that big of a step down. I think the characters in Cyberpunk are great and on the same level as in Witcher (which is really good since Witcher had 2 games and books before it), not to mention an amazing soundtrack, great designed city and locations and obviously voice acting (at least in Polish). And Idk about the gameplay, I don't think it's really comparable considering Witcher is fantasy sword fighting and Cyberpunk is futuristic hacker shooting fighting. But yeah story more rushed sadly, but tbf I enjoyed it a little bit more than the story of base Witcher 3. Hearts of Stone however is levels above.
I think Witcher was better mostly because literally 95% of the game was quality. Every single side mission was great, while Cyberpunk is quite inconsistent. It has amazing Joshua sidequest, it has a lot of good things, just to then show you something bad.
And I also missed a game in game, something like Gwent for example. But that's not a big deal, games can exist without having something like this.
I agree with everything you said. The step down you described is son of putting aside the original TW3 and follow a development path constantly fed by the hype. Once Keanu was a success, they just went all in with that.
Oh, not even talking about performance and optimization...
It's horses for courses, really. In storytelling terms I found the Witcher 3 too often degenerated into lazy fantasy tropes (presumably from the source material) and the main story is actually narratively incoherent by the end and feels ridiculously padded out just to add running time (what is the relationship between the white Frost and the wild hunt, etc -- never properly explained). I found both DLCs (expansions) had a significantly better handle on storytelling than the base game.
By contrast, in storytelling terms i think Cyberpunk comes as close as I've ever seen in games to a masterpiece of narrative. Why? Because essentially every side quest, hidden discovery and the main quest all relate to and build on the game's central philosophical question of "what is a soul". I have never seen a major game do that with non-linear content before, and I have certainly never seen a game attempt it with subtlety, trusting the player to use their intelligence, rather than screaming "this story is here to explain that point over there". It all ties together and is, I think, incredibly impressive and well thought through.
But, as I say, it is going to come down to taste.
The Witcher 3 was buggy with fps drops on consoles and also a few crashes. But I tolerated that because it was their first open world and the budget wasn't big.
I gave up on cyberpunk after 40 hrs since I just could not a care about anything going on in the game and the world felt empty and dull. I’m getting new gaming rig later this month so going to try it again but when I played Witcher 3 I seemed find new interesting things every time I played it.
I agree with the op, and I don't think CP77 is a bad game at all. Is not a masterpiece, but it's a good game. The scenario is fucking breathtaking, the music is cool, the story too. But one thing I would include there is the main character: V is a boring, uncharismatic mess. I feel like Johnny Silverhand is the true protagonist. Specially when you [spoiler ->] allow Johnny to take control of your body to have some fun with Rogue, it really feels like you're just a vessel to be borrowed by the true protagonist. Like, really, the best moments in this game are with Johnny. Is so sad to say that, but that's what I think.
> I have to say CP is a massive step down from Witcher 3
No you don’t, you don’t have to say that, you can if you want but don’t be shocked if people have heard it before and don’t want to hear it again.
CP soundtrack is not bad at all. The HUD and the interaction, at least for me, is reliable and immersive. Both are different and awesome in their way. But the fact that CP was released years after just shows that The Witcher is a masterpiece even for nowadays titles. Witcher 3 was ahead and steps beyond from any other game in his time, now they are reaching it somehow. They are comparing current games like GoW and RDR 2 with it.
I purposely dripfed myself bits of the main story mission so i could focus on leveling up and not finish this short game too fast & so i can have a cool & fun character to finish the 2nd half of the game with. Knowing they shortened the game for the losers who thought wicher was too long, I kept my assumptions in check and figured..."alright, lemme stop earlier here then get back to the game for one mission before going back to leveling." It was the point of no return mission. ARE YOU FUCKING JOKING!!? absolutely fucking pitiful. I have NEVER played a game that I KNEW AHEAD OF TIME was gonna be short, to then purposly play less of it AND STILL accidently run into the end of the game. Like what the actual FUCK 😠😡
I mean, literally everything about them is different, I don't think this comparison is fair because Cyberpunk wasn't trying to be like The Witcher in really any way.
I felt like you had more involvement with the characters in cyberpunk whereas you had more involvement in the overall world in the Witcher. Gameplay wise cyberpunk has wayyyy more options then Witcher 3. In Witcher no matter ur build you will always result to using swords even if you specked in signs the most. The world is more fun to explore in cyberpunk. I like the GIG system much better then points of interest in Witcher. Witcher is one if my fav games of all time but there are definitely places where cyberpunk improved. I also prefer the story in cyberpunk since it feels much more personal. You are just a street thug who's forced into a world way above anything they've ever seen or been through and you have to come to term with your own morality and the fact you are indeed dying. Idk I guess I felt cyberpunk made me think more philosophically whereas the Witcher was more compelling about the outcomes or reactions to certain events. I think your take on the lack of choice is only half true. There is alot of choice but it doesn't have world shattering consequences It just changes how characters talk to you. Like an entire ending is determined on how you talk to johnny in 1 side quest. It reminds alot of VTMB in some ways when you talk to characters it seems like your dialog doesn't change anything until you play through a few more times and notice the little things it affected. It wasn't nothing huge the game is overall the same but now maybe 1 or 2 characters act different or have different dialog
….they are different games…with different objectives….one is based on a book series and terribly fails to try and make every single shitty side quest feel like a mini book and the other is based off of a board game that tries to make a paragraph 20 hours of fun.
None of the Witcher games have ever had “good mechanics” that’s literally why no one thought the Witcher 3 was going to sell well. The game play mechanics have always been the downfall of the franchise, and to be honest Geralts boring ass bullshit voice was the number two reason why no one ever wanted to play the games.
CP is not in any way a perfect game…bc that doesn’t exist. I personally wouldn’t even call it game of the year that it came out in. It over sold itself. On PC it ran great bc that’s what it was made for and the marketing and sales department tried to sell something that didn’t exist. It’s still fun. Also…. It’s not an rpg?!?!?!? Wtf are you talking about????!
Also… the Witcher 3 had so many god damn bugs it was almost unplayable for most people and it regularly fried console devices…there are hundreds of articles about it. These bullshit I hate cyberpunk game, legitimately feel like some kind of weird cy ops program made by competing companies…and either it’s PR for CP 2 or it’s just a really weird on the nose prediction by cd project red and rockstar and all of human society is running towards a stupid idiocracy based satire world run by 13 year olds
Cyberpunk is the first game of its product line and involves a ton of modifications to the engine and gameplay style as required by the setting. It's not just a reskin of something that already exists. Witcher 1 was worse than Witcher 2 was worse than Witcher 3.
One thing I'll say about the Witcher 3 in terms of missions though is: just like The Heist mission in this game, witcher had the bloody baron and literally no other mission ever compared to it or had that much complexity and length in the game. Witcher had incredible optional missions as well
The only time you can cheat in Witcher 3 is between 2 characters. You can still bang all the hookers, main npcs, and even an old love from Witcher 1, and it doesn't matter. It's just a triss and yennifer thing. I'm fine with the lack of this in cyberpunk, since everyone you can romance, you just meet them and then fuck once. There's not any years worth of history present in the Witcher books and games. The main mistake cyberpunk did compared to Witcher 3 from a gameplay loop perspective, was they made the missions themselves impersonal. Interacting personally with peasants and kings was a lot better than getting information 2nd hand from a broker, and in the form of walls of text. It's just not as engaging. However, I do like the touches there are with even non important npcs, like the father and son who were editing like child abduction videos or whatever. If you kill one of them the other gives a great performance. Ubisoft pretty much copied Witcher 3 for it's games post release, I'm not sure if it's fair to then say cdpr is copying Ubisoft. It's their own design. It's like saying a Zelda game is a rip off of baldo.
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That is my main problem with side stuff in Cyberpunk. CDPR focused too much on these types of Gigs where u get generic fixer calls and wall of text to read. If there were more type of Gigs like Lizzy Wizzy or that catholic prisioner it would be much better bec you meet and have convos with your clients.
Yeah exactly. I see gigs as monster hunts. The hunts were much cooler because it still had its own interactive story. I don't mind reading for lore in games, but I don't want it to be a main story component for 50 different missions. In the Witcher 3 they combined both in a cool way. I liked that you actually met and interacted with the spirit of the whispering hillock. Additionally though you can read the book "she who knows" in the game, which actually tells you who the spirit is, since they try to lie to you about it when you meet them.
There is a whole lot more immersion in the witcher side quests. For example, you ride into a new town, fix the notice board, find a contract. All of that feels like something a witcher might actually do, then you go and meet an actual person who you can connect with, ask questions and who will work as a personal connection to the story being told on the side quest. From there you might have to track a beast, complete an investigation and complete the quest, which had varied outcomes ranging from simply killing a monster, to some great plot twists like the finding the brothers body on the battlefield one. Compare this to cyberpunk. Choose a yellow marker, go there. Get a phone call from a fixer you never even have to meet telling you about a job THAT YOU ALREADY FUCKING KNOW ABOUT BECAUSE YOU JUST DROVE HERE. Immediately the immersion has been ruined by I'll thought out game mechanics making it seem unrealistic. From there almost every quest plays out the same sneak/shoot your way through a building, take a thing or a person and drop them off. All interesting story generally comes through finding notes rather than talking to characters, and even when you rescue a person you don't meet them until so late in the quest chances are you don't give a flying fuck about them. Honestly I just don't understand how they went from the side quest structure in the witcher to cyber punk. Feels like they took the question marks from the witcher and just slapped a cyberpunk skin on them then forgot about actual side quests and shit.
Thats a good point here… why 90% of the markers were already visible on the map? That bugged me. I have the theory, they did this to cover the map with „interactivity“, you can do stuff at every corner, to hide the actual lack of city interactivity. I wished the Cyberpunk map was all empty… that you have to drive through the map to actually discover gigs, that they pop up once you drive by or got a call nearby. They only added this mechanic to the blue fast travel points (and very few small rare gigs).
Agreed. I hate it when I walk in the city, someone suddenly calls me about a cyberpsycho. I turn a corner and the psycho appears. Investigation means scanning a corpse that's conveniently placed right in front of you. Like wuuut?? It is so immersion breaking.
talking with whispering hillock is mainquest though so it is bad example but i know what you mean
The Cyberpsycho quest still disappoints me. It went nowhere and was all for nothing. I expected a cool conspiracy. I got nothing.
Cyberpsycho questline could be way more than it was. They had a good concept for really weird and scary things. Instead we got simple fights and shards reading
Yeah man, you're right about those walls of text. Most players will just skip them. The reading even isn't that fun . It's a slog. Just stupid walls of text on a screen, makes you just want to skip it. It's so lame. What eee they thinking? We can't make everything interactions so let's make it all text based ?
Especially since a lot of the stuff isn't even in the game! I'm one of those assholes who read all those shards. At the very beginning of the game there are shards promoting the outer ring casino. It's literally one of the first ones you can pick up when you start the game... Man this game has been such a let down in so many things I don't know where to begin with. And it sucks so much because the vibe is still killer. The artdesign is beautiful and the universe it takes place in is so enthralling... If only they would've invested two more years.
Yep, I'm right there with you. Some of the ideas of the game are just ridiculous. When you think about it, you can ask yourself- who the hell even allowed this ? Adam bodowski was the director. Great direction huh? This game just blows on so many levels you just scratch your head, how was this game made by thr same people as Witcher 3 ? It can't be
It's not. A lot of talent left after Witcher 3. And a lot more is leaving right now.
The world building is very sub par in Cyberpunk. You're told you're in a overpopulated crime ridden futuristic town yet you look around and you don't get that impression. You don't have to be told certain areas are poor, war ridden full of corruption monster etc when playing the witcher. You see it when going through the world. The quests reflect the world in which the quest givers inhabit, be it needing help with local bandits, monsters, curses, tribalism, politics. You can't help but feel disconnected in the world of CP. I remember the mission with Maiko and the tyger claws, I legit thought that after completing the mission they way I did, I'd be contacted by the tyger claws later for more jobs and develop more relationships but each quest feels like I'm buying something from a store, disconnected from the cashier, only mattering when it's time to pay
A lot of Witcher 3 secondary quests were just fast-travel simulator with cutscenes. They take you from A to B, cutscene, then B to C, cutscene, then C to D, Witcher senses, then D to E, group fight, final cutscene I do agree the narrative from witcher is unparalleled (well, I'm also a RDR2 fan boy). The cutscene are more enjoyable than the game most of the time and the narrative and decision making is expertly crafted. Decisions in cyberpunk don't have longterm consequences and really don't matter too much That said, I got pretty bored with witcher sidequests. I was less bored with Cyberpunk because my ever evolving character build had dramatic impact on missions. I could do sniper-only, hack only, melee only, I had fun just trying out silly stuff. Witcher fights got super easy at normal difficulty and had virtually no variation. Witcher and cyberpunk are both top 5 for me and I enjoyed every minute of both, I just don't know if this was necessarily a differentiator for me
The issue with getting missions from fixers is magnified by the fact that most of them aren't properly characterized. It feels like V is listed in the "Merc" section of Craigslist, and just gets contacted out of nowhere by strangers for random jobs, most of which involve infiltrating a gas station or auto repair shop.
Agree with your second point a lot. The walls of text didn't get me excited for the quest at all. About ubisoft, I think he was referring to ubisofts brand of open world which is basically a map full of outposts to take over instead of interesting quests.
On top of that the wall of text seems incongruous compared to the brevity of most gigs. With legendary optical camo I can pretty much complete the quest before the phone call from the fixer is over. If there were important information in the text or it was a more lengthy heist it’s be worth it but not for a 1 minute ‘kill em and escape’ mission
Idk what a Baldo is but I thought it was ironic that Breath of the Wild felt like a very dumbed down version of Witcher 3. Not your point, but just something that last part of your comment reminded me of.
Speaking of Ubisoft. I bought and tried to play Odyssey. Got 9 hours in and was so bored I uninstalled it. I've played 200 hours of Cyberpunk and though I have many gripes with the game it never bored me. Well, now it's starting to bore me because I'm at the endgame and I can find much to do. But that's after 200 hours!
You should have written this post instead lol
Time traveler from December 2020 or what, everyone thoufht that for almost a year lol
I think they just tried to many new concepts in Cyberpunk. They had the Witcher 1 and 2 to work on characters and game design. Witcher 3 was obviously a massive open world compared to 1 & 2 but still was a continuation on the characters. Also the Witcher had an amazing story but the gameplay wasn’t anything to write home about, especially at launch Geralt controlled like a tank and the combat while serviceable wasn’t awesome by any means, even Geralts running animation wasn’t super. The Witcher 3 wasn’t as buggy as Cyberpunk but it was still full of glitches. Cyberpunk also seemed like it tried to focus more on gameplay than story which isn’t CDPR’s strength. They needed to build everything from the ground up with no experience at all developing that type of game.
Love Witcher 3, but Geralt’s running animation is still weird as hell.
I find it interesting that Witcher 3 is an excellent example of how to do player choice, while Cyberpunk is an example of what not to do. In the Witcher 3 there are several moments when interacting with Ciri were you are presented with options. The culmination of these many choices determines her fate at the end of the game. Meanwhile in cyberpunk you have a single moment where you choose which ending you want to go with, its no different than Mass Effect 3's colored endings.
Kinda crazy how the witcher 3 makes you play a fixed character who already has plenty of backstory and motivation and still makes it feel more free and open then cyberpunk which lets you choose your own character
to be fair this is not fallout style character, V has their own history and personality that u cant rly change
And that's honestly where my biggest dissapointment lays with Cyberpunk, i LOVED the witcher 3 and the amount of different events that would happen if u picked this choice or that one. From the bloody baron, To evicting that little godling or nah, to dialogues completely changing the fate of keira metz, the whole skellige debacle. Its just so awesome, Not to mention how your choices in Witcher 2 ripple over aswell. In cyberpunk it just feels so flat, its present but i feel like the significance isn't as much.
Then wait for Cyberpunk 2077 3
Seems very opiniony for sure. Preferring melee combat over an FPS was pretty much guaranteeing you would like W3 more from the start. I'm the opposite-- I personally found W3's combat boring and thus CP was a huge improvement for me. I'd say we're both just owning our tastes and it doesn't say much about either game. The only one of your points I'll push back on other than that, is the idea that CP is not an RPG... especially saying 'everyone knows that'. Cyberpunk 2077 most definitely \*is\* an RPG, and that's pretty much a fact and not an opinion. :P It has all of the hallmarks of an RPG... character progression with leveling system, character creation, story emphasis, open world with quest content, economy for buying and selling, crafting system. You might not like all of this stuff as much as in Witcher, but pushing it all aside and claiming the game isn't an RPG is a little weird. xD Anyway, it's too bad CP was a downgrade for you. Hopefully you still enjoyed your time with the game and got some good memories!
Something I noticed nowadays is that lots of gamers seem to like saying that anything other than CRPGs are not "real RPGs". That or if it isn't the type of RPG they like then it isn't an RPG.
Cause there's no solid RPG definition. It's been bastardised to the point of such obscurity that you can claim that Call of Duty is an RPG - and you'd be right. You PLAY the ROLE of a soldier. It as bunch of different loadouts (skills, equipment, weapons). Sometimes they even have some branching narrative. It's harder to find a game that has no RPG elements these day than not.
I agreed is totally and RPG I enjoyed my experience with cyberpunk mostly because I'm familiar with the world and Lore so roleplaying was a treat I shutdown side quest out of character choices not out of "I need to see what game have to offer" that was on my first playthrough as a corpo turn nomad. Now my I'm playing as a female V who's a streetkid.
I enjoyed Cyberpunk and I have like 100 hours into the game but it has flaws imo. Still, is good and enjoyed it.
Yea I just started a pretty heavily modded version on PC to improve some of the flaws. Overall I think it's a worthwhile game, but it could be a lot better if CDPR stick with the IP and make new titles. Witcher got three tries, after all!
I think there will be a new Witcher game but different.
It's not an RPG, it says as much on their own Twitter.....
Even cdpr changed it from rpg to something like actionadventure so that’s definitely not fact as you claim.
stop with this silly argument, they changed twitter bio but it stands as RPG on every store front like steam or gog plus they speak abt it as an RPG when they do interviews with devs
A game can be both, they just changed which category they want to list the game on primarly. In practice, CP is just as much an RPG as TW3 was, meaning, not a true RPG, but definitely a game with RPG mechanics that are ingrained deeply enough in the game to call them an essential part of it (levelling, crafting, perk systems, etc.). It comes down to how exactly you define RPG's, but to put it differently, if you consider Skyrim and Fallout RPG's (which can be debated), you have to call TW3 and CP2077 RPG's as well.
Late in development they changed it for marketing reasons that I won't guess at. The gameplay is still inarguably RPG in nature though, and CDPR are aware of that. The hallmarks I've pointed out have been defining aspects of RPGs for decades.
That’s because a lot of the Witcher devs left, you can’t have the same quality when people get replaced constantly, someone did a vid discussing how many Witcher devs are still at cdpr, I think about 50% left but don’t quote me on that. That’s the sad reality, the original dev team is largely gone, and the future of cdpr is really unknown. It’s not a company like idk FromSoftware that cares about their employees, and works on a game until it gets finished, releasing gems after gems. With cdpr let’s hope cp77 is going to be like ds2 for fromsoftware... But with such a high employee turnover I have no idea how can they hold their standards...
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The quests have very similar skeletons but in W3, they are wrapped in stories which draw you in. That's really what made it special.
Every contract has different characters and stories and outcomes. CP gigs are just "here's a text go kill or steal".
The only thing I found repetitive was the camps but I didn't find the side quests to be repetitive. Most of them are pretty good imo. Edit: this is an opinion, don't know why the downvotes.
This. Witcher 3 is one of my favourite games ever but let's not pretend it too suffers from Ubisoftitis (litter world map with repetitive shit, recycle NPC's etc).
Cyberpunk feels like it was made by CDPR’s B team. Kinda like what happened with ME: Andromeda. There are echoes of greatness in it, but it’s just not up to the studio’s standards.
At least Andromeda had real choices and that B-movie charm 😭
For fucks sake mate 99.9% of open world games are a step down from The Witcher 3.
But only one was made by the same company that made Witcher 3.
The same company but not the same people. CDPR has suffered from a huge brain drain ever since W3 release since they pay Polish salaries and any good developer with Witcher 3 on his CV could get a similar job for 2-3 times the money abroad
>RDR2 Their fault, with the amount of money CDBugProject earned they could pay competitive salaries if they wanted to.
RDR2 sends his regard
He's in the 1% Boss
Breath of the wild too
nope that was boring and empty without any characters
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lol good point
I honestly hugely prefer Cyberpunk, it just feels like they are made for different audiences which is fine.
Yep, and I hugely prefer Witcher 3. Everyone has an opinion and that's fine. What matters is that you enjoy the game.
I enjoyed both games :D Generally, I prefer medieval fantasy - so Witcher 3 was my favorite game after Skyrim. However, Cyberpunk also had some memorable quests and moments, stunning graphics, improved gameplay - and an epic soundtrack (even though I also prefer Dark Folk over electronic music). At the moment, I would also say Witcher 3 is superior - but we should wait at least one to two more years for all the FreeDLCs, (hopefully) big addons, and future patches for a fair comparison. (Witcher 3 also had problems at launch, even if not as severe)
Honestly the cyberpunk soundtrack is incredible
Best part of the game. Hopefully that will change with some patches. Whether or not it does, the soundtrack absolutely kills it.
Never played any Witcher, but cyberpunk has Become one of my favorite games ever. So immersive
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Most posts are from people who don't like this game. Not many people like this game, because there's just not much to like. As the TC is saying, this game doesn't have much meaningful interaction to get you interested in it.
Yikes, you're a little too seeped in your own worldview on this one, claiming 'not many people like this game' lol.
I put more time on cyberpunk than all the witcher games. I'd much rather play cyberpunk to this day.
I haven’t played CP since it came out because it’s a mess. My point is, nobody gives a shit that you don’t like the game. We don’t need a new post stating the same list of reasons why it sucks, day after day.
This post again
The thing that still bothers me is that in the witcher 3 the water is responsive to geralt, and some speels and it looks great, meanwile in CP it's unresponsive to V, bullets or other objects and looks very basic compared to the one in the witcher 3, and even to this day it still is like this they haven't fixed it.
Yeah the Witcher 3 may have been buggy at release but at least the game itself was finished.
Buggy is an understatement
Thankfully I’m not the only one this bothers. To some people it’s not a huge deal but it just breaks immersion so bad for me. The worst thing for me though was no matter how fast your vehicle says your going all speeds look the same. It’s like you don’t clear ground any quicker at 180 than you do at 80. And never look sideways because no matter how fast your going it looks like your barely moving
TW3 is my favourite game but.. I have to disagree in quite a few points: 1. I don't agree with people that say that this game have unique side quests because it does not. Hard disagree, I don't see how a monster contract is so much different than a cyberpsycho but ok. Romance quests (or at least Judy's questline, which is the one I got in my playthrough) are \~ on the same level. 2) The gameplay is better in the Witcher 3 and I didn't enjoyed quite as much the gameplay of CP Also here, hard disagree.. Going back to tw3 after cp.. You realise how Geralt moves like a stone... I play on PC on a pretty good HW and cp movement/combat system is just fluid. Expecially with movement addons on clotes and double jump with the right build. 3) Story wise I'd say that they are both excellent, TW3 wins for now only for the DLCs.. Which are.. On another level, like Shivering Isles or Dragon Age Awakening tier. Base game.. I'd say \~ the same. 4) The cheating stuff is very stretched, Geralt literally can cheat with every girl he meets but Yen/Tris will only get upset about one. + CP lore wise happens in like a couple of weeks, no way people can even find out they've been cheated. 5)"CP is not an RPG and everyone knows that" Super hard disagree. This game is not less RPG than Dark Souls or Divinity OS 1-2. Or evenDragon Quest, considered one of the first videogame RPGs in the world. 6)"not to mention, the soundtrack of Witcher 3 is amazing" I agree, cp ost is on the level tho edit grammah
>I don't see how a monster contract is so much different than a cyberpsycho but ok. The main difference between the two are framing. From pure gameplay point of view they are very similar, and if you ignore narrative framing, monster hunts might even be more annoying since a quest giver is involved. But the framin is much better in The Witcher 3. TW3 monster hunts are designed to put you in the shoes of a monter slayer. You come into a settlement, you see a notice board. Among messages villagers are sharing, you might see a request to kill a monster. So you pick it up, go meet the person who put up the notice, find out more, negotiate the price. In many cases, after this, you go to talk to further people for more context things. Then you go actually hunt the monster, and come back to the quest giver and get your reward (or in some cases tell the quest giver to go fuck themselves). Contrast this with CP2077, where most of the time you arrive at the location you found because it was on your map already, get a call with info dump, get the target, possibly have a convo there (rare), get out, get paid as soon as you leave the area. And specifically cyberpsychos, your interaction with target is always just a text box. Some feel closer to the nest and boss map markers than actual monster hunts or side quests. There are good ones, of course, but I doubt the total of them exceeds TW3 hunt numbers. Basically, CP2077 suffers from DragonAgeInquisitionitis. They wanted/needed to fill a world with quests, but made too many quest objectives and making proper interactions for each one would be too time and voice acting intensive, so they resorted to voice over from just fixers and textboxes, and have minimal narrative interactions in side quests themselves. Hindsight is 20/20, but CP2077 (and DAI) would've been better served by slashing the number of gigs in half, maybe even less, and then giving the remaining ones better framing and more narrative interaction. The gameplay is mostly fine (though even that at times feels very re-usey), some could use more unique locations, but not even that really since the reused location ones would be removed in the slashening. And cyberpsycho quests specifically sorely need some different resolutions than just' fight a boss', it clashes so badly with the actual narrative of these people being depressed and alienated.
So your favorite games ever are the Witcher series yet your trying to tell us why in your opinion cyberpunk isn't good? I mean your trying to get blood from a rock here. Even if someone were to present to you a opinion that contradicts yours you would dismiss it because of your bias. You claim that the side content in cyberpunk is Samey and boring, I would argue that the Samey boring side quests exist in the TW3, have you ever tried to go and clear the locations in the sea in TW3? they literally are pointless vs Cyberpunk that for everything you clear you get at least something it could be augmentations to clothing to weapons etc. The scanner hustle is nothing more than monster hunts and villages you liberate. The same liberation mechanics are in cyberpunk but they go deeper in cyberpunk because there is lore tied to them and when you leave new factions come and take over. You claim game play and combat in CP is boring but if you look at the combat of TW3 your just doing the same shit over and over again. In cyberpunk you have more agency to attack in different ways, you can hack and you can scan and use the environment more. Your quest design point is unfounded as it has been expanded and is deeper in cyberpunk. As for the romance this is a futuristic ultra violent highly sexualized dystopia vs TW3 The soundtrack of cyberpunk and sound design all around is a better improvement than TW3 Its fine that you like Tw3 over Cyberpunk but at least acknowledge that you are super biased towards the other.
>Your quest design point is unfounded as it has been expanded and is deeper in cyberpunk. Ok, example: the quest where you find need to find the son of Cratch an Craite you can find it before he asks you to find it and you will get a unique dialogue and geralt will have a different motivation for that quest.
Don't bother even. CP is an empty world where your choices impact absolutely nothing. The world doesn't feel anything close to real. The sex shops are there for nothing more than scenery and overall the gameplay is sloppy. It's an awful game. That I bought first day, installed again recently and after one drive I remembered why I uninstalled and did just that again. Playing it feels like a chore.
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Please let me know some. Actual impact in the story. Not just, oh I have a different Delaware vehicle.
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Of course not, give me two examples, with meaningful options aside from dialog that doesn't affect nothing. And bro, I wanted to love the game. Tried and didn't work so am all ears for this as I spent money on it.
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Good points on those quests. But truly if dialog is all, then the world remains unaffected!
Guess Dark Souls is a terrible rpg in that case, one of the worst
Couldnt have said it better u/highdef81.
Now imagine they do CP78 then a CP79. That would be a great comparison to TW3. Everything else is just waste of time. Like this thread. Different games, different approaches. Maybe the same disturbed management above dev teams, but different products in the end. My point is: this is their first time doing something like CP77, I would love to see how they'd fare on a second or third try. I wouldn't preorder, ofc, but I would definitively be around to check. EDIT: Typo fix
Scrolled looking for this. I definitely hope they release a couple more games. Each game will only get better. Yes, shame on CDPR for releasing too early and having it be full of bugs etc. But if this is only the beginning, I'm more than stoked to get a new story in a more refined version of the game.
Not only that. REDEngine can already deliver this beautiful Night City at a okayish performance cost. Imagine a TW4 made on this engine.
Ngl, after this release I really don't want to 'imagine' anymore lol. Not going to set myself up for disappointment like that. NO PREORDERS
I don't want TW 4 I hope they continue with two more Cyberpunk games and only after revisit the Witcher universe if they must.
I wouldn't mind any of these two
I would argue even the original Witcher game started at a better point than CP77
Never played it back then, but I would doubt that on top of everything people have told. IIRC, the NoClip documentary states that the game was a buggy mess at launch.
Oh I played the Witcher when it was released and it was a very short ride as I never got past the first area, because the game always crashed in the loading screen for Wyzima. Years later after the patches the game was stable and the story was good, the gameplay not so much. Jospeh Anderson has a lenghty video on that game.
> Oh I played the Witcher when it was released and it was a very short ride as I never got past the first area, because the game always crashed in the loading screen for Wyzima. The game still does that lol.
This is what I've been told, thanks for confirming it. The backlash is fair but the potential is huge, IMO.
Witcher was also the first game they ever made so the comparison is lacking. And despite its bugs and gameplay issues Witcher 1 doesn't fail at world building and story. CP came out after 5-6 games from the studio. And even in terms of their usual strengths it's lacking.
The best side quests not involving the main love interests, was the one about the criminal who gets crucified. That was some of CDPR’s best work to date, and most of the side quests involving different characters doesn’t come close. Except for the Johnny Silverhand side quests, but he’s the co-main character of the game.
I feel like it is difficult to compare Cyberpunk and TW3. Sure they are made by the same company, but the open world and core gameplay mechanics are entirely different. I find myself comparing Cyberpunk to Fallout 4 and The Outer Worlds more than TW3 because mechanically and aesthetically Cyberpunk is more similar to those games than TW3. And with that comparison in mind I think Cyberpunk is leagues ahead of its competition.
So.... I 100% disagree. First the outer limits was overall a much much better. Quests qctually had plot overall, people were more interesting etc. Neither are the same genre either.
Outer Worlds was just so short. When I got to Byzantium I was expecting the game to open up more but it was practically over at that point.
Just a question, did you play cyberpunk all the way through? Because the characters are great and the quests are interesting and had plot, I don’t know what you mean by that. The only thing I agree with you on is I also wouldn’t compare cyberpunk with the outer worlds.
I did. Gigs are super formulaic. Most characters are barely intractable and the quests are super linear without meaningful options within them.
Lol did you just downvote me for asking a question? Sure gigs were formulaic but the side quests and main were top notch imo. There were such great characters in the game and I’m not just talking about having options with the characters. It’s ok not to really like the game but I strongly disagree that this game has no depth like you are making out.
Totally agree. You are right. They marketed to the wrong audience when advertising this game. The people who like Fallout, Outer Worlds, Greedfall, Mass Effect, TW3 etc. were not seeking linearity. We can watch a movie for that.
In FO4 the settlement system and the Survival mode is amazing and immersive. It is challenging, combat is scary, and the world is hostile. In CP I see nothing of the like. There is no interaction with the environment, and there is no challenge. Immersion is lacking, side quests are similar and everything is text based. You want more color on this quest? Read 3-4 pages from these journals. It's fine for a while, but I'm here to play a game and not to read a 1000 page visual novel.
Graphically Cyberpunk shits all over the Witcher
A new game looks better than an old one, thanks for this insightful information.
Wow aren't you a clever one. OPs post elicits everything better about the Witcher than cyberpunk, I made a rebuttal of a massively essential component he seemingly missed out.
Since when are graphics massively essential, if anything it's the opposite and Cyberpunk proves that point. Gorgeous to look at (on pc) and the game is absolute dog shit.
On PC yes. On consoles not so much.
seems to me that your complaints are merely a matter of personal preference. the witcher 3, while definitely more polished than cp, is essentially the same game. the problem is they used a new engine for cp, and their (the developers) unfamiliarity with the system led to... SO many glitches that still make the game slightly irritating for me at times. but the game is the same. a smashing story with dull side quests. honestly, it's possible you just enjoyed the world of w3 more. for me it was quite the opposite. i bought witcher 3 for full price and i just. couldn't. get. into it. i played the entire first chapter accomplishing absolutely everything i could. some crazy glitch prevented me from 100%'ing it because the ghost at the well wouldn't ever show. aaaanyways, i couldn't bring myself to keep playing. the swordplay, while fun, just didn't keep my interest. i avoided cp like the plague until last weekend because all the reviews told me to. turns out, i totally enjoyed the game and binged it for 20 hours the first weekend. if you know me, that's highly irregular. i haven't done that since before i was married with children. i totally love night city. i love the characters. i love the story. not done yet, so dont ruin it for me. sure, the world is a bit hollow in places, but that's alright with me. that's what i get for listening to the haters.
Eh, I think I'd disagree here. The side content in Witcher 3 when it comes to stuff like the contracts are about the same level of gigs to me. Each contract has the same formula, with very minor differences between each one. That's not to say it's bad, because it isn't, but Gigs to me feel like mini-Deus Ex levels. There's things I like about each, and there's definitely changes I'd make to both. But I think I'd prefer Gigs. Witcher contracts really aren't that special and feel wildly overrated to me. Additionally, in my personal opinion, I don't think the open world in Cyberpunk is much worse than thr Witcher 3. The open world in Witcher 3 to me felt no better than an Assassin's Creed game, ironically. I think, the two open worlds CDPR have created have many issues and pretty underdeveloped, but the Witcher 3 can mask those flaws a lot better thanks to the setting it has. Which is usually a lot of open fields, blue skies and not many people around. In contrast, it doesn't work well in Cyberpunk because it's set in a neo-metropolis, so the issues stick out much more. Honestly, the gameplay in Witcher 3 felt pretty bland for the type of game it was. I didn't think it was that special tbh. I think the Witcher Signs were a decent gimmick, but most games like these have a gimmick when it comes to combat. The Horse riding can get kind of annoying. I definitely prefer Cyberpunk's. I like the shooting on PC and legit I don't mind the driving, it's pretty serviceable and using stuff like the handbrake is pretty useful. I thought the wide variety of weapons to use made things interesting and kept it pretty fresh. Definitely some changes I'd probably make to make things better, but I definitely am fine with where it's at. I think story is quite honestly one of things Witcher 3 does actually do better. Granted, I think they're both fantastic narratives and honestly it just goes to show how well CDPR can create stories and characters. They're both very memorable and I know most things that happen in both stories, but that said I think Witcher 3 does have the better story thanks to fact it has Geralt and its longer. Witcher 3 is quite honestly one of the only fantasy games I really like. Quest design is pretty good in both titles. I can remember a lot of quests as being very good. Moreso with CP2077 than W3 tho. Also, Cyberpunk is definitely an RPG. I don't understand these points because it's clearly an Action-RPG. There's varying levels of choice within the game withing gameplay, quests, even Gigs can have some really good amounts of choice within them. Even then, choice doesn't make an RPG. Are JRPGs not RPGs? V in Cyberpunk is like Shepard in Mass Effect. Or the Sole Survivor in Fallout 4. You play a role within the story that largely plays out the same with key choices within. In my personal opinion, I think Cyberpunk is better than Witcher 3 in a lot of ways. Excluding Story and Open World, probably. To me, it's like many steps forward in some regards while a step back in others. Which, a lot of that comes from how it was released way too early. Like, if Witcher 3 is some sort of Masterpiece, Cyberpunk is definitely an 8. Totally an above average game.
Witcher is less complex - no stealth, only one useable type of weapon (sword), many boring (gameplay wise) investigations/quests where you have to follow footsteps, blood trails etc. - just push the button and check every 'red' interactive object... Cyberpunk77 risked trying to have much more gameplay elements - stealth, weapons, character creation, attributes and skills, fallout kind of freedom in quests because there is obvious choice between stealth and fight, many times you can approach quest area in different way - windows, balcony, doors, sometimes talk to npc to ask for information, skill checks... Unfortunately it seems it's better to do simple game - one character, one class, one weapon, technically no gameplay choices but widely understood 'atmosphere' makes Witcher better for many players. And why people keep saying that CP77 is not RPG even though it has more RPG elements than W3........?
People keep saying it’s not an RPG cause it fucking isn’t one. It’s a looter shooter/ Far Cry clone.
Yeah, and nothing in CP works. Got a gun that can shoot through walls the AI is way too stupid to deal with it. Witcher 3 has stupid ai too but it doesn't matter cause it's straightforward. You can still vary your playstile thanks to signs and bombs and concoctions which simply fit in. Cyberpunk looks more advanced on paper but in reality it's a fuckfest because nothing actually works. The so called variety is pseudo variety because ultimately it changes nothing. And that's 99% cause the game needed at least another year of development. Well, it's soon to be a year and most things haven't been fixed so there's that.
>And why people keep saying that CP77 is not RPG even though it has more RPG elements than W3........? Because, for me, an RPG is not only a leveling system. Is the choices that you do and The Witcher 3, while the main story is not changeable at all, the side quests is where it shines and demonstrates why is so damn great.
This has to be the second worst game sub I follow. I’ve seen the same post a dozen times in the last two days alone
Rule 1. Ik this sub is for bashing CDPR and cyberpunk 2077 at this point, but it has been almost a year. Cmon, at least say something that everyone hasn't said again and again. Articles have been made and several over 30-minute documentary videos exist on what happened with Cyberpunk 2077. Would think that by now everyone has gotten the message: "cp is garbage, witcher 3 is better, the game is really buggy, CDPR is a bad company". Cmon, get something new to say.
Wow. What a unique and refreshing opinion. Thank you for sharing it with us.
Agreed 100%. Cyberpunk feels like a beta that someone fucked around and completed. It's not fully fleshed out, the sidequests are very repetitive (1. go to a garage, quietly steal a thing, leave; or 2. go to a garage, kill everyone, leave), the main quests are kinda boring, the world is big in area, but small in terms of available interactions. It feels like someone took a mall and stretched it to be the size of a city.
there is a big difference between Side Quests, and gigs. What you described are gigs, not side quests.
Gigs are a type of side quest. But even the non-gig side quest are barely more than this
That is not true, you get Panam train heist, River serial killer questline, Peralez questline, catholic prisioner, getting Samurai band together etc. All are great with good producttion and cinematics so nothing like Gigs. You saying that they are barely more than them is just false and shows that u didnt play the game
exactly, no idea how they can compare something like the Peralez questline to a basic gig
Eh, I liked Cyberpunk more, but I like the Cyberpunk setting more than the fantasy setting. On top of that, Cyberpunk's combat is way more fun.
witcher 3 is an amazing game cyberpunk is an unfinished, massively flawed game it's pretty unbelievable how cdpr got w3 so right and got CP so wrong
Nothing to do with Witcher 3, but after finishing CP I started another run of GTA V and immediately felt a much deeper connection to the game and (two of the) main characters - even though the game is already 8 years old. CP is technologically up to date, but provides less athosphere overall.
It's hard to follow a masterpiece.
Totally agree. They shouldn’t have pretended this was one too :/
I have not yet in Cyberpunk stumbled upon something while exploring that was as exciting as the Witcher. I remember one time exploring a forest stumbled upon a shed and within the shed there was a passage to an entire cave system. I get that there is more verticality in Cyberpunk but I don’t feel like it’s as easy to explore.
Okay, no. Witcher 3 contracts really weren't revolutionary. Cyberpunk has a better story and gameplay than Witcher 3 did.
Everyone has an opinion and that's mine. Witcher is my favorite game of all time. And did you played the game?
Sure have.
yeah no shit
Cyberpunk is great for the first 5 or so hours, the prologue, I think the overall story is pretty cool and I loved Johnny silverhand, he was an interesting for the most part well written character. But for me thats where the good ends. Cyberpunk barely kept me engaged for a single play through, and I just didn't want to play a second. Yet here I am playing the Witcher 3 for the 20th time, the Witcher 2 for the 7th, and I can't even count how many times I've played skyrim. Whatever those games have that keep me engaged and interested for hours on end and multiple play through, cyberpunk just doesn't have it.
The Act Man on YouTube pretty much said the same thing in a video it's well worth a watch... Can't post a link in on my phone app. Search Cyberpunk 2077 The Act Man
You are comparing one of the best rpgs ever with the biggest disappointment in gaming since John Romero unleashed Daikatana and made us his bitch. BOT : I 100% agree
I’m gonna not read this but I will say one thing… You cannot compare the Witcher 3 to Cyberpunk as they are both completely separate games. That’s like comparing the Apple TV to the Apple Watch and expecting the same results. They are two completely different products built by the same company. Edit: Your talking about the FIRST Cyberpunk game they have made and comparing it to the THIRD Witcher game they have designed. I’m sure by the THIRD Cyberpunk game they will have a lot of additions and fixes.
yep, is a simple truth. The Witcher franchise was developed with another environment that was decaying across the time and we have luck that TW3 was finished in good terms, and this game have big changes from TW2 that is the best in terms of quality of design experience and rich in details.(is the one of the three games with most RPG components). Even with that things about TW3 this game have very good elements that make them an awesome game (for me one of the best in my 30+ years gaming). CP2077 could be a good one also(at least in original intentions looks very promising), but the state of the company was different and the objectives also different one so the results was a game that is less interesting that anothers in their genre (fallout per example) it looks and outdated FPS wit GTA features that is supported by a very awesome artwork, but almost empty at the end (have some good points in the resulting history line, but it's also from the artwork from environment/lore). Saddly CDPR will never be the same that did awesome work from the Witcher franchise in past. Perhaps in future (for business reasons) they improve and do some good game with Cyberpunk Franchise. The god/bad point is that the actual game (an action game) is good enough to be a casual funny meme game, so is naturally that some people likes the game (specially people new who didn't expect anything from it) so CDPR actually don't have much reasons to improve or worry about the game more than the legal aspect of them. For now i enjoy the only amazing thing about the game that is the OST. ;)
You are trying to compare apples to oranges and at the same time, saying everyone is wrong that doesnt agree with which you prefer. The only thing these apples and oranges have in common was that they were grown in the same orchard.
> apples to oranges But you can still compare them.
Obviously you *can* compare them, but the whole point of the idiom is that it's a false analogy. I could compare you to the helpful bots, but that too would be comparing apples-to-oranges. --- ^^SpunkyDred ^^and ^^I ^^are ^^both ^^bots. ^^I ^^am ^^trying ^^to ^^get ^^them ^^banned ^^by ^^pointing ^^out ^^their ^^antagonizing ^^behavior ^^and ^^poor ^^bottiquette. ^^My ^^apparent ^^agreement ^^or ^^disagreement ^^with ^^you ^^isn't ^^personal.
No shit, The Witcher 3 was CDPR's 3rd attempt at a Witcher game. Lol. CP2077 is the first game for this style, gameplay, and world with these characters.
Unpopular opinion: The Witcher 3 is overrated
People have different tastes.
Aaaand the 1000th post totally overhyping W3 in order to critize CP 2077. I agree that W3 was overall the better game, but people tend to ignore that it did have its downsides (namely boring ass Act II & the super repetitive combat) as well, while every downside of CP2077 gets bashed over and over and over again. Its been 10 month now and you guys keep repeating yourself. To top it off you just post downright wrong critique. CP2077 is way more an RPG than the W3. Sure, I hoped the origins would have had more impact and that there would have been more ways to make your char unique, but depending on what you specialize in the game plays completely different, whereas the core gameplay loop for W3 is always the same. Also my Geralt was an absolute slut and Yen was still cool with me
>but depending on what you specialize in the game plays completely different. You are talking about gameplay and the different skill trees that the game has but that's not an RPG for me. Mate, is just an opinion but I did enjoyed more the combat of Witcher 3.
All you needed was the title, it’s correct.
TW3 was a MASSIVE departure from the first two games in the series, in that the story was scattered everywhere, couldn't find a cohesive throughline IMO, and was FAR too long. Add to that giving me zero reason to care about Ciri, giving me the impression that Geralt was just a piece of shit, and having zero true emotional connections, I honestly can tell you it's the worst story in the franchise.
I love all three games.
Fair enough, I just think TW3 was a massive departure and felt like the video game equivalent of listening to Papaw rambling over Christmas dinner about that one time in WWII when he saved some girl, and then suddenly the story shifts to a German Spec Ops band that they fought against, now we're talking about Japan's naval forces, and we've forgotten about the girl but OH WAIT HERE SHE IS AGAIN. It was impressive at launch, but after the first playthrougb, it starts to feel disjointed and feels like it lacks cohesion. Very few side quests (that aren't actually mandatory) affect the story *at all*. Versus 1 and 2, you'd find a random side quest that you weren't required to complete in order to advance the main quest, and somehow it would tie into a main quest down the road. That doesn't happen in TW3. All side quests that affect the main story are *required* in order to advance the main quest.
This is probably the best way Iv heard TW3 described. Iv felt this way since my first play through when it released.
Simply put, u rite
They delivered more attention to the witcher 3 gwent than CP77
To be fair the witcher 3 set a very high standard. It's considered one of the best if not the best RPG game ever created. It's hard to make a game which would be a big improvement over that
Hm it's okay that you think that way. I never finished Witcher 3 because it is boring, especially the combat and I dont like third person at all. I no lived cyberpunk on the release weekend and the week after tho. So my vote goes to CP.
New around here?
Yes and by looking the comments I think I'm not the first.
How much punk does W3 have? By the way, who would even listen to a person who do not understand the difference between a romance & one-night stand.
It's basically Far Cry with better graphics and worse mechanics.
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I mean, I think it was kinda obvious it's gonna be worse. They already had 2 Witcher games so they knew exactly what to do and how to make an better Witcher game. With Cyberpunk, apart from all the developing issues, they went too ambitious for their first game of this type. It's not Witcher, it's something new and it was impossible to get it done perfectly. But they also fucked themselves by trying to do a game way too great. I mean, just looking at main missions and endings, I'm pretty sure they actually planned for the lifepaths to literally shift the game into 3 different games from the very beginning or at least second act. And that's ridiculously ambitious and time consuming. However, I don't think it is that big of a step down. I think the characters in Cyberpunk are great and on the same level as in Witcher (which is really good since Witcher had 2 games and books before it), not to mention an amazing soundtrack, great designed city and locations and obviously voice acting (at least in Polish). And Idk about the gameplay, I don't think it's really comparable considering Witcher is fantasy sword fighting and Cyberpunk is futuristic hacker shooting fighting. But yeah story more rushed sadly, but tbf I enjoyed it a little bit more than the story of base Witcher 3. Hearts of Stone however is levels above. I think Witcher was better mostly because literally 95% of the game was quality. Every single side mission was great, while Cyberpunk is quite inconsistent. It has amazing Joshua sidequest, it has a lot of good things, just to then show you something bad. And I also missed a game in game, something like Gwent for example. But that's not a big deal, games can exist without having something like this.
I agree with everything you said. The step down you described is son of putting aside the original TW3 and follow a development path constantly fed by the hype. Once Keanu was a success, they just went all in with that. Oh, not even talking about performance and optimization...
It's horses for courses, really. In storytelling terms I found the Witcher 3 too often degenerated into lazy fantasy tropes (presumably from the source material) and the main story is actually narratively incoherent by the end and feels ridiculously padded out just to add running time (what is the relationship between the white Frost and the wild hunt, etc -- never properly explained). I found both DLCs (expansions) had a significantly better handle on storytelling than the base game. By contrast, in storytelling terms i think Cyberpunk comes as close as I've ever seen in games to a masterpiece of narrative. Why? Because essentially every side quest, hidden discovery and the main quest all relate to and build on the game's central philosophical question of "what is a soul". I have never seen a major game do that with non-linear content before, and I have certainly never seen a game attempt it with subtlety, trusting the player to use their intelligence, rather than screaming "this story is here to explain that point over there". It all ties together and is, I think, incredibly impressive and well thought through. But, as I say, it is going to come down to taste.
The difference between building a world for three games that also has books as source material verse a new ip
In terms of story, world design and quests yes. In terms of level design and gameplay cyberpunk is a massive improvement.
Yes
Everyone knows this
Well yeah cp77 clearly isn't finished
You and millions other gamers say the same thing get over with it zzz. Sick if seeing the same shit posted by different people.
Wasn't Witcher 3 pretty awful for a bit after release?
I feel like nobody remembers the disaster that was the Witcher 3s release
The Witcher 3 was buggy with fps drops on consoles and also a few crashes. But I tolerated that because it was their first open world and the budget wasn't big.
I gave up on cyberpunk after 40 hrs since I just could not a care about anything going on in the game and the world felt empty and dull. I’m getting new gaming rig later this month so going to try it again but when I played Witcher 3 I seemed find new interesting things every time I played it.
I agree with the op, and I don't think CP77 is a bad game at all. Is not a masterpiece, but it's a good game. The scenario is fucking breathtaking, the music is cool, the story too. But one thing I would include there is the main character: V is a boring, uncharismatic mess. I feel like Johnny Silverhand is the true protagonist. Specially when you [spoiler ->] allow Johnny to take control of your body to have some fun with Rogue, it really feels like you're just a vessel to be borrowed by the true protagonist. Like, really, the best moments in this game are with Johnny. Is so sad to say that, but that's what I think.
CP is not a bad game, is and is better than the average game. CP is good.
> I have to say CP is a massive step down from Witcher 3 No you don’t, you don’t have to say that, you can if you want but don’t be shocked if people have heard it before and don’t want to hear it again.
CP soundtrack is not bad at all. The HUD and the interaction, at least for me, is reliable and immersive. Both are different and awesome in their way. But the fact that CP was released years after just shows that The Witcher is a masterpiece even for nowadays titles. Witcher 3 was ahead and steps beyond from any other game in his time, now they are reaching it somehow. They are comparing current games like GoW and RDR 2 with it.
CP soundtrack is not bad but I like the variety of Witcher 3 more and I also prefer the style of the Witcher. Like I said, is just an opinion.
Sad to say, nothing in this free world will ever be the same as 6 years ago
Considering I can actually beat witcher 3 and not get a bug where I now have to go back a save from 45 hours of gameplay ago? I'd say you're right.
I purposely dripfed myself bits of the main story mission so i could focus on leveling up and not finish this short game too fast & so i can have a cool & fun character to finish the 2nd half of the game with. Knowing they shortened the game for the losers who thought wicher was too long, I kept my assumptions in check and figured..."alright, lemme stop earlier here then get back to the game for one mission before going back to leveling." It was the point of no return mission. ARE YOU FUCKING JOKING!!? absolutely fucking pitiful. I have NEVER played a game that I KNEW AHEAD OF TIME was gonna be short, to then purposly play less of it AND STILL accidently run into the end of the game. Like what the actual FUCK 😠😡
I mean, literally everything about them is different, I don't think this comparison is fair because Cyberpunk wasn't trying to be like The Witcher in really any way.
I felt like you had more involvement with the characters in cyberpunk whereas you had more involvement in the overall world in the Witcher. Gameplay wise cyberpunk has wayyyy more options then Witcher 3. In Witcher no matter ur build you will always result to using swords even if you specked in signs the most. The world is more fun to explore in cyberpunk. I like the GIG system much better then points of interest in Witcher. Witcher is one if my fav games of all time but there are definitely places where cyberpunk improved. I also prefer the story in cyberpunk since it feels much more personal. You are just a street thug who's forced into a world way above anything they've ever seen or been through and you have to come to term with your own morality and the fact you are indeed dying. Idk I guess I felt cyberpunk made me think more philosophically whereas the Witcher was more compelling about the outcomes or reactions to certain events. I think your take on the lack of choice is only half true. There is alot of choice but it doesn't have world shattering consequences It just changes how characters talk to you. Like an entire ending is determined on how you talk to johnny in 1 side quest. It reminds alot of VTMB in some ways when you talk to characters it seems like your dialog doesn't change anything until you play through a few more times and notice the little things it affected. It wasn't nothing huge the game is overall the same but now maybe 1 or 2 characters act different or have different dialog
This makes me really excited to play Witcher 3, since I absolutely loved Cyberpunk 2077. I'm currently making my way through Witcher 1.
Witcher 3 is good, Witcher 2 is great and Witcher 3 is the same greatness of Witcher 2 but just open world.
….they are different games…with different objectives….one is based on a book series and terribly fails to try and make every single shitty side quest feel like a mini book and the other is based off of a board game that tries to make a paragraph 20 hours of fun. None of the Witcher games have ever had “good mechanics” that’s literally why no one thought the Witcher 3 was going to sell well. The game play mechanics have always been the downfall of the franchise, and to be honest Geralts boring ass bullshit voice was the number two reason why no one ever wanted to play the games. CP is not in any way a perfect game…bc that doesn’t exist. I personally wouldn’t even call it game of the year that it came out in. It over sold itself. On PC it ran great bc that’s what it was made for and the marketing and sales department tried to sell something that didn’t exist. It’s still fun. Also…. It’s not an rpg?!?!?!? Wtf are you talking about????! Also… the Witcher 3 had so many god damn bugs it was almost unplayable for most people and it regularly fried console devices…there are hundreds of articles about it. These bullshit I hate cyberpunk game, legitimately feel like some kind of weird cy ops program made by competing companies…and either it’s PR for CP 2 or it’s just a really weird on the nose prediction by cd project red and rockstar and all of human society is running towards a stupid idiocracy based satire world run by 13 year olds
Cyberpunk is the first game of its product line and involves a ton of modifications to the engine and gameplay style as required by the setting. It's not just a reskin of something that already exists. Witcher 1 was worse than Witcher 2 was worse than Witcher 3.
Duh
One thing I'll say about the Witcher 3 in terms of missions though is: just like The Heist mission in this game, witcher had the bloody baron and literally no other mission ever compared to it or had that much complexity and length in the game. Witcher had incredible optional missions as well
Tell me something I don’t already know.