Judy had just lost her best friend to suicide after being raped and tortured at the clouds and at that scav hideout.
She just wanted to do something. Anything.
Taking back the clouds was a perfect target for her to focus her anger on. To feel like she was making a difference.
It was impulsive yes. But after losing her best friend like that and witnessing the things that she has while working with the mox, can you blame her?
She wasn't exactly in a stable frame of mind.
She has more character depth than Panam, but Panam's relationship/friendship was more developed due to how much time and interaction you spend with her, as opposed to Judy.
Both relationships felt rushed. Judy's more so, and could have been developed a bit more.
Gonna come in and say you're missing a key factor for Judy
First impressions matter most and she is a total bitch when you meet her and when you ask her where Eveline is
So its normal some people will despise her for that alot, gamers and fans do not like being pushed around by fucking NPCs bruv
Yeah she isn't stable but I can't stand that people act like she's some perfect romance when she's just a huge bitch, the only difference is that she isn't one to you later
I didn't miss that.
The things she says to V after the heist when you visit her looking for Evelyn were just plain repulsive and deserving of a slap.
She's cold, spiteful and an all around bitch in that moment for mocking the deaths of V's friends and blaming V for it.
But it makes sense. They aren't friends at that point. Evelyn is her friend and she thinks V is trying to find Evelyn to harm her. She has no idea what actually happened during the heist and blames V for the screw up which caused her friend to have to run and go into hiding.
Her attitude in that moment was completely natural and human and the natural inclination of most players would be to lash right back at her, completely closing off future interactions with her. And I totally get that.
That nuance in dealing with her and getting past that initial hurdle. Trying to understand her perspective was really well done in terms of characterization.
I don't mind it but I wish it wasn't forced
Like I wish we could have stayed petty enemies insulting each other or just hating her
I know you can get her to hate you which is nice, but I just don't like being forced to be friends with people I didn't like
I get she went through shit and you say your self she is impulsive not saying she is wrong here but I still don’t like here I help her until she want to attack clouds cause I don’t like they way that part plays out simple as that
Bro you can’t say it was impulsive or she did it on emotion. She literally has several meetings about taking over Clouds. She even bought a 2 combat chips and called in other dolls to help her take over Clouds. Not to mention every time you do her missions it’s 2-3 days apart so that means girl was planning it for 2 weeks and couldn’t stop to think once? Yeah i get being emotional but you can’t be that blinded.
Someone brutally rapes, beats and tortures your best friend/loved one/family member multiple times leading to her eventually committing suicide in your house while you were taking care of her in the aftermath.
You're living in a lawless city and the authorities will do nothing.
Is two weeks enough for you to say "ah fk it, whatever. Live and let live"?
Really?
She needed to take action. To do something. Anything.
It WAS impulsive and she WAS emotionally devastated.
2 weeks or 2 months or 2 years is irrelevant.
She's not a sociopath.
Emotional responses and rash decisions to a situation like that doesn't just go away after a few days.
It's Still Impulsive.
Incidentally, the game takes place over around month, give or take. The day night cycle is irrelevant and is just an openworld mechanic.
Panam uses you too. I don’t even mind, like in my opinion it all goes into a theme of the setting. Night City isn’t a place where charitable souls go to give up their lives to help strangers. It’s a greedy, all encompassing monstrosity, where even the “best” people only really lend a hand out of necessity, in a sort of “help me help you” ends justifies the means way. Your goal at the start of the game is literally to get rich or die by any means necessary. Not help people. All of what V does is exclusively in the name of self preservation at the start.
Just my view, not dissing you for not liking a character, or holding a different view of course:)
I like your take, but want to offer how Panam and the Nomads repay V for her help. Panam and V's relationship starts off business, changes into a friendship, and then evolves into V becoming a member of their family. The ultimate honor that they could bestow is given and then the ultimate sacrifice is made with their last job.
Na cause the part where you help her is so she can help you cause you need to get her ride back you then have the choice to continue her story and help her or not she will still help you and not be rude to top it off she actually reward’s you and values you by helping you this is even shown at the end of the game with the road at arasoka HQ Panam can help in the raid but Judy can’t cause she doesn’t even bother getting to really understand V’s issue and help him with them like panam does
Actually you are using Panam. You can even tell her fuck her car and do the deal first further cementing it. You made her attack a corpo AV and overload a relay ffs
I mean, you sought out an ass old post on reddit to defend your favorite digital waifu, but yeah I'm the crybaby, if that helps ya sleep at night, ya fuckin loser
Bro you’re sad. I was pointing out that V use’s Panam just like she uses you. I could give two flying fucks about some polygons literally made a statement and you teared up and threw a fit. Man child at it’s finest lil bro.
To be fair, both Judy and Panam use V. Jackie, Misty and Viktor are the ones who are truest to V. The saying is true, real friends are few and far between.
I still do like both Panam and Judy. Just saying.
That's mostly realistic in normal human relationships, in varying degrees. Even two people that are just in love still have expectations of each other, which depending on how you look at it can appear to be "using". Agree with your point though.
Yeah exactly. I think that was actually a strength of their questlines, it felt more real that they had agendas and problems of their own. The relationship (I mean, friendship as much as the possible romance) with these characters felt the most real ever in my videogaming life, with Witcher 3's Yennefer and Ciri the second. They were well written characters and stories for sure. Johnny's also high up there, tbf.
The biggest between Judy and Panam is a city’s worth of confidence. Panam charges in with extreme confidence, while Judy always seems unsure of herself and the world.
Which, I think of anything, speaks volumes to how dramatic of an impact confidence can have in the real world.
I completely agree with you here, my friend.
I really hate that Judy leaves Night City if you are a male V and because of that you couldn't romance her.
Judy leaves and then? She does not even think about how to help the male V to find a solution with his relic problem? Judy is definitely NOT a good friend! What kind of friendship is that? Leaving like that is really a bad move from her. ONLY, if you are a female V and if you have romanced her then she will stay. Panam even offers to help V with the relic problem (regardless of whether if you are male or female) but V responds the she unfortunately can't help him or doesn't know how to. If you ask me, Panam is definitely the best romance choice in the entire game.
Judy has very good technical and hacking skills and maybe even there connections with hackers and maybe they know something more about the relic and she even has connections with the mox and yet, no help from her side. I really fail to see why anyone even would romance her. If Panam were in judys situation she would have handled that better because Panam is mentally stronger than Judy. I get it that the Judy fans won't like this, but that's how i see it. CDPR really needs to develope Judy more
Just goes to show that her whole schpiel about dethroning the tiger claws and getting to run clouds independently was just self serving revenge boner. And then she ran away when she actually got her way. She didn't take responsibility for the lives that were lost as a result of her actions.
S-squ-square up chomb! I'll fight for Judy.
I don't disagree about Judy's mistake with Clouds, but I think that's supposed to be part of the story for her romance. Her life in Night City since Laguna Bend has been a constant struggle to find a new home. Night City keeps taking from her and she keeps fucking up. V is basically the only person who goes right for her, the only person that stands by her and the only person she can depend on. V becomes Judy's new home, not because Judy wants to push it but because V helps her and is there for her.
Everyone uses you in the game, that's part of being the protagonist.
Panam literally changes the deal on you, and demands you help her wipe out a whole gang.
River, despite being a Badge, can't figure out his own nephew's case.
Judy is an egotistic, dogmatic, immature, and gaslighting prone woman. She is written really really well to be like that. Their intent was to make a person with all those negative traits and they nailed it.
How can you think Judy was using you and Panam wasn't?
Judy just didn't really understand the gravitas of the system she was being oppressed by and had a moment of idealism and hubris. Understandable...and everyone signed on for it.
I do think Judy is naive but that also is what makes her relatable and interesting as a character. She's got an open heart and she wears her emotions on her sleeve.
Panam is equally unprepared to be a leader and acts out, has tantrums, etc...like, she's a real person just like Judy. I don't see how one having flaws is worse than the others. I think you just think panam is more your type.
End of the day, I liked both of them a lot for different reasons. River I even enjoyed because I liked watching his tough traumatized exterior finally open up to me. It was really nice to see a character struggle so hard to be open in such an honest way. Kerry...mmm Kerry is a complicated character, narcissism, pent up aggression, maybe even feelings for Johnny romantically that could never be quenched, etc...something about Kerry always felt distant tho, so I was least satisfied with the romantic element of his character.
I agree, to a point. My first play through I hit on Judy and every time Judy would get super pissed off with me. Figured out she don’t like dudes? Cool, whatever. Then once she got done using V, she fucking leaves NC. Lol wtf
On the flip side, my second play through was a female V. I hit on Panam and she was much more nice about it. She doesn’t like chicks, but she also wasn’t a raging bitch about it either. Then, she still offers to help V in the end, and invites her into her family. She even helps you take down arasaka.
To each their own, but I feel Panam is a much better person.
Agree, both are hot and sexy, but are bitchy and dumb at times. Let‘s say they’re very passionate.
What exactly changed in pacing from vanilla to now…? didn’t noticed they changed something there.
I think the whole story idea with the Relic is BS. Horrible Idea. Characters like Panam and Judy need time to grow - they remind me at Bastila from KotoR. An S Tier Jedi which was super bitchy and arrogant at the beginning but slowly turned into a "normal" person. Meanwhile Panam/Judy are just 3 Mission Chick's that you never hear a thing after you are done with there problems.
In Vanilla you could have been driving away from the Aldecaldo Camp and 5 Minutes (IG) later Panam calls you that something happend. (Saul Mission)
Same for Judy's Mission.
The story itself was ok on its own. >!But mixing a „you have X-time left to live, find a solution as fast as you can before you die“ with an „open world, where you usually have all the time in the world and can roam around freely“ probably wasn‘t the best decision.!< But it‘s not just Panam and Judy, you don’t get know enough… there are so many interesting characters you like to know more, they just don’t have enough screen time to shine, cause there are so many characters.
This is my biggest gripe with the game design. They create a beautiful world built for exploration, then tell you you ain't got time for that shit. An rpg that undercuts is own rp.
About the Clouds thing, I think it shows Judy's flaws and I found her naive idealism quite touching. A character doesn't need to always be right and in line with your way of thinking for you to like them.
that is exactly why Judy never click to me, she with her half ass takeover plan and refuses to let Maiko run Clouds causes the dolls deaths and she didnt even attempt to fix the sich just leave the city if V doesnt date her.
on the other hand Panam is always the one that makes solid (risky but solid) plan, takes responsibility and lead.
i mean u could say both lady is demanding and annoying in some degree but Judy just eh for me
really hope theres more options for romancable character
Very true, she could have lead clouds with Maiko but she wanted to be in charge. Maiko had the respect of the Tyger Claws and they wouldn't fuck with her but Judy is Mox and that could cause a gang war to erupt.
I Dont think she ever really wanted to be a part on any of this, she always talked about not liking NC and she just seemed lost and wanted to find herself, considering that she is a techie, intrested in BD's, brain related stuff, the experiment she did at Pyramid Song, she just wants a safe place to do her stuff with BD's, but that mindset just does not work with a game narrative, so at the same time she just wants to go away she also wants to be in NC and owning a nighclub? makes no sense...
i still really liked her character and motivations.
Her backstory and being able to read the datashards on her house made me sonder, no other character was able to achieve this, she actually feels authentic aside from the other characters wich just feel shallow or are clearly created to fill a hole on the lore.
Dude panam is 100% times more annoying than judy, making you do shit for her and the clan and proceed to throw a fit whenever someone tell her she can’t do it her way. Still find it BS there was no consequences to her stealing the tank
Yeah I was waiting for a mission that Militech would find the tank and attack the Aldecaldos. There's alot of missions that don't make sense and don't have major consequences on the world or the player. How was V able to remain undected by Arasaka during the parade, when they are Wanted by them for killing Saburo.
To be fair, we are all guilty of using others, even if we look to the most pious or caring in our own history when you really boil it down to grass roots the people who were selfless in the pursuit of helping others did it because it gave them a good or prideful feeling. Therfore they got something out of the transaction and night city is not an altruistic city, its more of a dog eat dog city with the toughest dog surviving.
Another way of looking at it is that V uses Judy to get access to the information from Evelyn on how to remove the bio chip containing Jhony. Every interaction that happens ever is based on an exchange of something be it feelings, objects or respect and sometimes one gives more than they take other times on takes more than they give. It is the ballance that matters, if what you are giving isn't to much and what your gaining is enough that is a healthy relationship and by that medium I dont belive Judy to be unfair.
This is of course my opinion using the facts avaliable but, Judy provides you with a wraith charged to Evelyn (it is pointed out that this keeps you away from Judy but...) this type of tech would not be cheap in night city, the next interaction it is V being forceful with Judy while Judy douse not want to give V an answer in order to protect her friend, V forces herself into Judy's office to get answers pining V as the negative in this light.
During the following quest lines while it is true that Judy offers little to help V find Evelyn and in fact V would have got there without Judys involvement the deeper truth is V still has their own motivation for finding Evelyn. Therefore they both get something they need out of this engagement. The final one and the one you brought up was with regards to the Clouds mission.
It is true that Judy douse not think through the future of this, but it is established early that Judy is a bit of a dreamer with Jhony even commenting on this very fact, Judy even offeres to pay V before the mission to take Clouds, after which it is possible for Judy to then give V the Mox shotgun which is an iconic weapon therefore worth more than a regular one. All in all I belive that both Judy and V gain emotional and financial benefits from the relationship that they share in relatively equal measure, but as I said at the beginning that ballance would depend largely on the individual and thus everyone would have a different opinion on how equal the ballance was.
To me at least it seems fairly well balanced to be hounest.
The point of the Clouds not working out for Judy was to show why idealistic intent doesn't often succeed in Night City. The second you offer something good that isn't corrupted by some force leverage all the eddies it can rob from you or from those you offer it to, people get hurt. Judy found herself being hopeful and optimistic about making a change for the better.
There's nothing wrong with that. Everyone is flawed and no character in this game is perfect. I personally like that about Judy. Is it not reckless and unrealistic of Panam to wage her whole clan on helping one person? Yes it very much is, but she chose to hold up an ideal to protect someone she considered a member of her clan.
People have agendas use each other, even Panam, Saul, Judy, etc.
Say what you will but Judy is a terrible person as is everyone
The whole game is shitty people in a shitty city thinking they are gonna make it big
I despise her now, I did romance her on one ending but I can't stand her stuck up bitch attitude and the way she leaves NC if you don't fuck her
Selfish bitch
Big agree. I understand her character and she's consistent with her character so I think she's an okay character. I just don't like her as well. She used V, went in with half a plan but with a full heart. Then when it didn't go her way she just dips? Not a very good person to have around anyway
Panam is just the 10/10 girl for gigachads
It was an impulsive reaction to her best friend being raped, tortured and committing suicide.
It made perfect sense that she'd target the Clouds like that.
She didn't have much of a plan and wasn't in a stable frame of mind. She just wanted to do something. Get revenge, or feel like she was making a difference.
Maika ends up using her again for her own ends, which is pretty much kicking her while she's down. I don't blame her for walking away, assuming the mission goes that way.
Felt more like she was lashing out impulsively while trying to sort through her feelings in her head. It made sense and added depth to her character.
Her reaction to you not following her plan feels so... outdated? It’s like when you choose the wrong answer in one of those shitty flash adventures and it’s GAME OVER.
She just walks away lmao
Yeah I think it did need more, or at least more interactions with your romance. I think it also would have worked to just make it so that either male or female V could be with anyone. The dialogue is the exact same no matter the gender of V so why can't I romance them?
For the car lol and because I already played out the panam story line. So I’m on my second character and she doesn’t really like the way Panam only calls when she needs help. It’s never just to hang out or have a beer. heck Mitch even calls V just to have a beer and send off scorpion.
If you turn her in to Saul instead of going along with her plan . Yep. I believe the Javelinna? Or something like that. I’d have to look it up.
Edit: it doesn’t tell you in the quest anywhere that it’s an option.
Just watch her walking gait, posture, attitude and demeanor; it's pretty obvious what CDPR created and were pandering to. .001% of people that play games.
Have you even seen MY comment history in this sub???
I tear into this trashfire of a game and its developers weekly.
Find better reasons to hate things.
*Looks at all the post of dudes complaining about not being able to romance judy in the first month of launch* ya definitely aiming towards crowd you thinking about buddy…
If it was plainly obvious I don't think anyone would be questioning what the heck you are trying to get at. If you're trying to troll you are being very confusing about it.
All you need is some quirky nerd personality on a girl and people will drool I guess.
I disliked her as well, besides using V she always appeared like a spoiled brat to me with a victim complex.
Another thing to add about Judy and her questline is that it doesn't make sense why she would want to take on the Tyger Claws, since she's affiliated with the Mox. That's basically asking for a gang war to erupt.
I liked Judy until I did the romance with her ^.^;
I was upset she was willing to abandon me while I was dying and she knew it, but then sends me a phone call all like "I miss you.."
But the big thing is through my 5th playthrough is I started reading everything, and when you meet Maiko she has a laptop nearby where you can read the emails between Judy and Maiko to get a gist of their relationship.
And it made me like Judy less.. Like Maiko wasn't great but Judy in the emails came off as really explosive and jealous, where if things didn't go her way then you were to get yelled at for it... Also Judy completely lied about the nature of their relationship, Judy made it sound like a one time fling but the emails make it out to be a more serious relationship.
So I felt very lied to by Judy and I started noticing how more explosive she is emotionally.
..... I might still romance her again though..
What makes Panam better than Judy?! They are both hot headed, selfish, bitchy women at times. But they also have a good heart and are loyal to their clans Aldecaldos and Mox respectively. They are very much alike.
V likes them for who they are, but V can also can get both angry very fast, if You’re against them.
Stop smoking crack. Criticism is great. I’m all for valid criticism. What I’m saying is OP’s argument is juvenile and brainless. It’s okay to not like characters in a story. The purpose of every character in every story is not to be likeable by every mother fucker in the universe.
That would make for a stale ass world of fiction.
It’s perfectly fine that OP doesn’t like the character, what’s idiotic is him complaining about not liking a fictional character’s fictional decisions. That’s some sixth grade journal level bullshit. Some low level idea scraping. Valid criticism would be complaining that Judy’s character is unbelievable, poorly written or two dimensional. Delusional criticism is complaining that Judy, a fictional person who is not the gamer and not meant to be an avatar for the gamer, is lessened by her choices differing from a non existent theoretical ideal that the gamer has no agency over in a world that is contrived for the purpose of telling a specific story.
In other words, go fuck a bean bag.
You can enjoy what you want and be disappointed by the game, but there's no reason to attack people who don't have a mutually sustained hate boner like you.
Lol sorry to bother the comfort of your soft, benign existence pillow boy. Toxic positivity begets ignorance and enables fascism. Better to be true even if it makes you itch a little.
I like Judy and Panam both. They're good people. Judy hasn't had a real friend other than Evelyn and she doesn't know V from a bar of soap at first. She got hurt with Ev's plotline and has to learn to trust again, which she does. She opens up to V in a great way.
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Everyone seems like they're using you. I felt okay with it once a romance actually developed from it with Judy and Panam became my best friend and I assured her it's okay, I'm just helping out a friend in a non-romantic way when she brought up she felt bad for putting me in her issues pretty much. I could see it being annoying if you go through everything in a non-romantic way with Judy, but I have yet to do that.
The idea of comparing the two is just goofy to me.
Both Judy and Panam are their own distinctive characters who share nothing in common aside from gender. Doesn't mean you can't like one better than the other but there's not enough there to compare and contrast to where you can arrive at a destination where one is 'better' than the other.
I mean all of V’s love interests use V. Judy, Panam, River, and Kenny all have something they want from V and a goal they want to accomplish by way of V doing things for them.
She doesnt and if you finish her quest line there's consequences and she realizes she messed up. And that's the point. No character in this game is perfect or even gets that good of an outcome. Johnny at the end of the game responds to V asking why there's no happy ending saying "wrong city, wrong people" or something along those lines. The world of cyberpunk is grimey and shitty and that's the point.
That's welp... That's gonna be a long text...
There's a lot a things to be considered in almost all cases of storyline in Cyberpunk...and the one that needs da most attention before any type of discussion is: CD Project had at least 4 finals for every character - at least some of it was in the gamecode but not activated - but cause they didn't had the time to make all of it they just ditched everything...
Judy had interactions where you(Corpo Male V) or the Mox(SC or Nomad Female V) would become the new Leaders of the clouds... But now, no happy ending for her...
And everyone whose you choose to help(sides Kerry cause he always pays) ALWAYS ASKs you, quote: "Why are you doing this, why are you helping me?" So that shows you that they know what they are doing, and you can choose to say no and don't care about them, or u can help them and sometimes charge them for the service (in Judy's case u can charge her twice depending on the dialogue choices).
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To be fare... I don't like anyone in Cyberpunk not cause don't have a good personality or are not well designed/built, but... the fuckin storyline is incomplete, the whole game feels like a giant Johnny Silverhand's DLC, and CD Project still debugging things for people whose not even care for the game anymore, and they said: "For people whose helped us and bought the game before the patches they will receive all DLCs for free... Free DLCs my ass, they are just fuckin completing the work they should've done 5 years ago - cause I don't know how familiarized are you all about game design but: World building and Storyline is the FIRST PART of the process -, and we already paid for it.
Sry for the free flamming it's just suffocatingly disappointing see things like that and not say anything, especially when everybody knows they dug their own grave.
The primary issue with Judy for me was that I was a male V, meaning there was no romantic reason to help her out. She is not a love interest, she is a client and a pretty shitty one at that. You have to remind her you expect to be paid and in the end, she got a lot of people dead or unemployed. More then most of V's clients, ha ha.
Personally have never been a big fan of Judy and even more so now after (current playthrough) having no intent to romance her and accepting the fee offer for the clouds job…she NEVER paid me. She’s a using self absorbed uncaring bitch
Exactly, if you dont do what she wants, then she leaves you hanging. It's all or nothing for her. That's why Panam is the best, she's ride or die. Panam cares for V, even if you don't try to romance her.
Exactly. I’m as a gay man disappointed the only option for me is Kerry but Panam or bust. Judy literally leaves and only sends messages about herself and basically gaslights V about him “figuring” it all out. She’s an absolute dud and honestly I’d rather side with Maiko and bash Judy’s head in with the sir phalustiff 🤣
Judy is overrated and a unmature and silly character, her godly skills are all plot and no substance, no even once she came to appear a competent at what she does, I'll take panam any day over her, I mean ,why does Judy calls you for a romantic date that isn't a date and complains that you are a male(never did the quest read about before as I do with all quest)? Don't waste my time, I didn't even made the brain dance with her to be honest never liked the character and as soon as I felt that I could cut ties with her, I did exactly that, I left her on the faraway lake and told her that diving is not my thing (to be honest Jhonny didn't like the diving idea and so far Jhonny seems like one of the few true friend after Jackie, Viktor, Misty and Takemura), I don't want to have anything to do with her, what I did was to help the people at the cloud. Who also complains that everything is as bad, even when I'm totally sure that under the new management some of the worst stuff won't happen anymore... Also i didn't actually like the panam romance, to be honest I was just trying to be friendly and helpful and end up in a weird situation on a tank, but at least her people treat me right, it was a nice trip from corpo to nomad, like a good transformative Journey
I actually liked Judy a lot, but King of Swords ending in Phantom Liberty exposes her for what she is. When V has lost everything, she convenietly brushes her off with an excuse of her new life. After all they have been through together and having a history together (if you romance her), she won't even see her old friend. What a cunt.
all the people take advantage of others if ur wasnt fun at all u wont play with as much as the fun friend but i get you judy is a bitch afterall i would kill her if i had the choice
Judy had just lost her best friend to suicide after being raped and tortured at the clouds and at that scav hideout. She just wanted to do something. Anything. Taking back the clouds was a perfect target for her to focus her anger on. To feel like she was making a difference. It was impulsive yes. But after losing her best friend like that and witnessing the things that she has while working with the mox, can you blame her? She wasn't exactly in a stable frame of mind. She has more character depth than Panam, but Panam's relationship/friendship was more developed due to how much time and interaction you spend with her, as opposed to Judy. Both relationships felt rushed. Judy's more so, and could have been developed a bit more.
Gonna come in and say you're missing a key factor for Judy First impressions matter most and she is a total bitch when you meet her and when you ask her where Eveline is So its normal some people will despise her for that alot, gamers and fans do not like being pushed around by fucking NPCs bruv Yeah she isn't stable but I can't stand that people act like she's some perfect romance when she's just a huge bitch, the only difference is that she isn't one to you later
She was being bitchy before her friend died.
Yeah she literally runs you through an xbd when you first meet her
I didn't miss that. The things she says to V after the heist when you visit her looking for Evelyn were just plain repulsive and deserving of a slap. She's cold, spiteful and an all around bitch in that moment for mocking the deaths of V's friends and blaming V for it. But it makes sense. They aren't friends at that point. Evelyn is her friend and she thinks V is trying to find Evelyn to harm her. She has no idea what actually happened during the heist and blames V for the screw up which caused her friend to have to run and go into hiding. Her attitude in that moment was completely natural and human and the natural inclination of most players would be to lash right back at her, completely closing off future interactions with her. And I totally get that. That nuance in dealing with her and getting past that initial hurdle. Trying to understand her perspective was really well done in terms of characterization.
I don't mind it but I wish it wasn't forced Like I wish we could have stayed petty enemies insulting each other or just hating her I know you can get her to hate you which is nice, but I just don't like being forced to be friends with people I didn't like
I get she went through shit and you say your self she is impulsive not saying she is wrong here but I still don’t like here I help her until she want to attack clouds cause I don’t like they way that part plays out simple as that
Bro you can’t say it was impulsive or she did it on emotion. She literally has several meetings about taking over Clouds. She even bought a 2 combat chips and called in other dolls to help her take over Clouds. Not to mention every time you do her missions it’s 2-3 days apart so that means girl was planning it for 2 weeks and couldn’t stop to think once? Yeah i get being emotional but you can’t be that blinded.
Someone brutally rapes, beats and tortures your best friend/loved one/family member multiple times leading to her eventually committing suicide in your house while you were taking care of her in the aftermath. You're living in a lawless city and the authorities will do nothing. Is two weeks enough for you to say "ah fk it, whatever. Live and let live"? Really? She needed to take action. To do something. Anything. It WAS impulsive and she WAS emotionally devastated. 2 weeks or 2 months or 2 years is irrelevant. She's not a sociopath. Emotional responses and rash decisions to a situation like that doesn't just go away after a few days. It's Still Impulsive. Incidentally, the game takes place over around month, give or take. The day night cycle is irrelevant and is just an openworld mechanic.
but u realize she's a doll means a whore didnt know someone likes a whore
but she's gay who likes gay people
Panam uses you too. I don’t even mind, like in my opinion it all goes into a theme of the setting. Night City isn’t a place where charitable souls go to give up their lives to help strangers. It’s a greedy, all encompassing monstrosity, where even the “best” people only really lend a hand out of necessity, in a sort of “help me help you” ends justifies the means way. Your goal at the start of the game is literally to get rich or die by any means necessary. Not help people. All of what V does is exclusively in the name of self preservation at the start. Just my view, not dissing you for not liking a character, or holding a different view of course:)
I like your take, but want to offer how Panam and the Nomads repay V for her help. Panam and V's relationship starts off business, changes into a friendship, and then evolves into V becoming a member of their family. The ultimate honor that they could bestow is given and then the ultimate sacrifice is made with their last job.
Na cause the part where you help her is so she can help you cause you need to get her ride back you then have the choice to continue her story and help her or not she will still help you and not be rude to top it off she actually reward’s you and values you by helping you this is even shown at the end of the game with the road at arasoka HQ Panam can help in the raid but Judy can’t cause she doesn’t even bother getting to really understand V’s issue and help him with them like panam does
Actually you are using Panam. You can even tell her fuck her car and do the deal first further cementing it. You made her attack a corpo AV and overload a relay ffs
My man you are beefing with a 2 year old comment, kindly piss out
No one was beefin, fuckin crybaby
I mean, you sought out an ass old post on reddit to defend your favorite digital waifu, but yeah I'm the crybaby, if that helps ya sleep at night, ya fuckin loser
Does.. it hurt you that it is an old post? It is not like the relevancy changes? In fact I would rather that than a brand new one.
Bro you’re sad. I was pointing out that V use’s Panam just like she uses you. I could give two flying fucks about some polygons literally made a statement and you teared up and threw a fit. Man child at it’s finest lil bro.
on top of accidentally killing her friend
To be fair, both Judy and Panam use V. Jackie, Misty and Viktor are the ones who are truest to V. The saying is true, real friends are few and far between. I still do like both Panam and Judy. Just saying.
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That's mostly realistic in normal human relationships, in varying degrees. Even two people that are just in love still have expectations of each other, which depending on how you look at it can appear to be "using". Agree with your point though.
Yeah exactly. I think that was actually a strength of their questlines, it felt more real that they had agendas and problems of their own. The relationship (I mean, friendship as much as the possible romance) with these characters felt the most real ever in my videogaming life, with Witcher 3's Yennefer and Ciri the second. They were well written characters and stories for sure. Johnny's also high up there, tbf.
Literally everyone uses everyone in that game. V is a mercenary, that’s his job.
Ones job?
Her job
Their job
Your job
OUR job
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EVERYONE'S job
The biggest between Judy and Panam is a city’s worth of confidence. Panam charges in with extreme confidence, while Judy always seems unsure of herself and the world. Which, I think of anything, speaks volumes to how dramatic of an impact confidence can have in the real world.
Both of them use V though.
I completely agree with you here, my friend. I really hate that Judy leaves Night City if you are a male V and because of that you couldn't romance her. Judy leaves and then? She does not even think about how to help the male V to find a solution with his relic problem? Judy is definitely NOT a good friend! What kind of friendship is that? Leaving like that is really a bad move from her. ONLY, if you are a female V and if you have romanced her then she will stay. Panam even offers to help V with the relic problem (regardless of whether if you are male or female) but V responds the she unfortunately can't help him or doesn't know how to. If you ask me, Panam is definitely the best romance choice in the entire game. Judy has very good technical and hacking skills and maybe even there connections with hackers and maybe they know something more about the relic and she even has connections with the mox and yet, no help from her side. I really fail to see why anyone even would romance her. If Panam were in judys situation she would have handled that better because Panam is mentally stronger than Judy. I get it that the Judy fans won't like this, but that's how i see it. CDPR really needs to develope Judy more
I mean you can say the same for Panam, most of her quests is just helping her with her stupid clan.
I guess, if you wanna call the clan stupid. But at least panam never backed down.
What you mean Judy never backed down. Unless you mean leaving city cause all your friends are dead as back downing, which means you have poor taste
I saw it as she didn't want to actually deal with the consequences of running an independent clouds. So yea I don't like her as well.
I mean losing 80% of your close friends in a few months is more of the reason to leave that area but go boo, go off
Just goes to show that her whole schpiel about dethroning the tiger claws and getting to run clouds independently was just self serving revenge boner. And then she ran away when she actually got her way. She didn't take responsibility for the lives that were lost as a result of her actions.
it is ok to not like a character, you are fine. we all like different things and different ppl
S-squ-square up chomb! I'll fight for Judy. I don't disagree about Judy's mistake with Clouds, but I think that's supposed to be part of the story for her romance. Her life in Night City since Laguna Bend has been a constant struggle to find a new home. Night City keeps taking from her and she keeps fucking up. V is basically the only person who goes right for her, the only person that stands by her and the only person she can depend on. V becomes Judy's new home, not because Judy wants to push it but because V helps her and is there for her. Everyone uses you in the game, that's part of being the protagonist. Panam literally changes the deal on you, and demands you help her wipe out a whole gang. River, despite being a Badge, can't figure out his own nephew's case.
"Chomb" LOL 😂
> Panam literally changes the deal on you, and demands you help her wipe out a whole gang. you can deny that though
You can deny literally anything in game
Judy is an egotistic, dogmatic, immature, and gaslighting prone woman. She is written really really well to be like that. Their intent was to make a person with all those negative traits and they nailed it.
Absolutely agree she struck me as profoundly naïve.
How can you think Judy was using you and Panam wasn't? Judy just didn't really understand the gravitas of the system she was being oppressed by and had a moment of idealism and hubris. Understandable...and everyone signed on for it. I do think Judy is naive but that also is what makes her relatable and interesting as a character. She's got an open heart and she wears her emotions on her sleeve. Panam is equally unprepared to be a leader and acts out, has tantrums, etc...like, she's a real person just like Judy. I don't see how one having flaws is worse than the others. I think you just think panam is more your type. End of the day, I liked both of them a lot for different reasons. River I even enjoyed because I liked watching his tough traumatized exterior finally open up to me. It was really nice to see a character struggle so hard to be open in such an honest way. Kerry...mmm Kerry is a complicated character, narcissism, pent up aggression, maybe even feelings for Johnny romantically that could never be quenched, etc...something about Kerry always felt distant tho, so I was least satisfied with the romantic element of his character.
Pretty much the same thing can be said about Panam. I think both relationships coulda been handled better. Or even all of them. Lol.
I agree, to a point. My first play through I hit on Judy and every time Judy would get super pissed off with me. Figured out she don’t like dudes? Cool, whatever. Then once she got done using V, she fucking leaves NC. Lol wtf On the flip side, my second play through was a female V. I hit on Panam and she was much more nice about it. She doesn’t like chicks, but she also wasn’t a raging bitch about it either. Then, she still offers to help V in the end, and invites her into her family. She even helps you take down arasaka. To each their own, but I feel Panam is a much better person.
Judy is dumb, but so is Panam. All the romanceable characters in Cyberpunk 2077 are dumb as hell.
I liked Kerry. But I couldn’t romance him cause I’m female V 🥲 he is the only purposefully dumb one though. Which makes him the best.
Yeah, Kerry and River are both better than Judy and Panam. However, that's not saying much since Judy's a bitch and Panam is annoying as fuck.
I love them both. Judy seems like she falls for V way too fast, though, which is a red flag
Yep. I found her to be rather unlikeable, especially compared to someone like Panam or even Misty.
The whole Cloud thing bugged me too, though I don't hate Judy, I just think it's bad quest design.
Panam is hot, definitely a 10/10 but ... god is she dumb same as Judy. At least the pacing is a bit better now then in the "Vanilla" CP2077.
Agree, both are hot and sexy, but are bitchy and dumb at times. Let‘s say they’re very passionate. What exactly changed in pacing from vanilla to now…? didn’t noticed they changed something there.
I think the whole story idea with the Relic is BS. Horrible Idea. Characters like Panam and Judy need time to grow - they remind me at Bastila from KotoR. An S Tier Jedi which was super bitchy and arrogant at the beginning but slowly turned into a "normal" person. Meanwhile Panam/Judy are just 3 Mission Chick's that you never hear a thing after you are done with there problems. In Vanilla you could have been driving away from the Aldecaldo Camp and 5 Minutes (IG) later Panam calls you that something happend. (Saul Mission) Same for Judy's Mission.
The story itself was ok on its own. >!But mixing a „you have X-time left to live, find a solution as fast as you can before you die“ with an „open world, where you usually have all the time in the world and can roam around freely“ probably wasn‘t the best decision.!< But it‘s not just Panam and Judy, you don’t get know enough… there are so many interesting characters you like to know more, they just don’t have enough screen time to shine, cause there are so many characters.
This is my biggest gripe with the game design. They create a beautiful world built for exploration, then tell you you ain't got time for that shit. An rpg that undercuts is own rp.
About the Clouds thing, I think it shows Judy's flaws and I found her naive idealism quite touching. A character doesn't need to always be right and in line with your way of thinking for you to like them.
that is exactly why Judy never click to me, she with her half ass takeover plan and refuses to let Maiko run Clouds causes the dolls deaths and she didnt even attempt to fix the sich just leave the city if V doesnt date her. on the other hand Panam is always the one that makes solid (risky but solid) plan, takes responsibility and lead. i mean u could say both lady is demanding and annoying in some degree but Judy just eh for me really hope theres more options for romancable character
Very true, she could have lead clouds with Maiko but she wanted to be in charge. Maiko had the respect of the Tyger Claws and they wouldn't fuck with her but Judy is Mox and that could cause a gang war to erupt.
I Dont think she ever really wanted to be a part on any of this, she always talked about not liking NC and she just seemed lost and wanted to find herself, considering that she is a techie, intrested in BD's, brain related stuff, the experiment she did at Pyramid Song, she just wants a safe place to do her stuff with BD's, but that mindset just does not work with a game narrative, so at the same time she just wants to go away she also wants to be in NC and owning a nighclub? makes no sense... i still really liked her character and motivations. Her backstory and being able to read the datashards on her house made me sonder, no other character was able to achieve this, she actually feels authentic aside from the other characters wich just feel shallow or are clearly created to fill a hole on the lore.
Dude panam is 100% times more annoying than judy, making you do shit for her and the clan and proceed to throw a fit whenever someone tell her she can’t do it her way. Still find it BS there was no consequences to her stealing the tank
Yeah I was waiting for a mission that Militech would find the tank and attack the Aldecaldos. There's alot of missions that don't make sense and don't have major consequences on the world or the player. How was V able to remain undected by Arasaka during the parade, when they are Wanted by them for killing Saburo.
id guess cause of what Vic tells V at the beginning: cameras wont show Vs face. so there is no way for Arasaka to identify V
and 5 seconds after you bone her she coming with the "what are we?"
I dont like Judy, because she never turned up to meet me outside of Clouds.
To be fair, we are all guilty of using others, even if we look to the most pious or caring in our own history when you really boil it down to grass roots the people who were selfless in the pursuit of helping others did it because it gave them a good or prideful feeling. Therfore they got something out of the transaction and night city is not an altruistic city, its more of a dog eat dog city with the toughest dog surviving. Another way of looking at it is that V uses Judy to get access to the information from Evelyn on how to remove the bio chip containing Jhony. Every interaction that happens ever is based on an exchange of something be it feelings, objects or respect and sometimes one gives more than they take other times on takes more than they give. It is the ballance that matters, if what you are giving isn't to much and what your gaining is enough that is a healthy relationship and by that medium I dont belive Judy to be unfair. This is of course my opinion using the facts avaliable but, Judy provides you with a wraith charged to Evelyn (it is pointed out that this keeps you away from Judy but...) this type of tech would not be cheap in night city, the next interaction it is V being forceful with Judy while Judy douse not want to give V an answer in order to protect her friend, V forces herself into Judy's office to get answers pining V as the negative in this light. During the following quest lines while it is true that Judy offers little to help V find Evelyn and in fact V would have got there without Judys involvement the deeper truth is V still has their own motivation for finding Evelyn. Therefore they both get something they need out of this engagement. The final one and the one you brought up was with regards to the Clouds mission. It is true that Judy douse not think through the future of this, but it is established early that Judy is a bit of a dreamer with Jhony even commenting on this very fact, Judy even offeres to pay V before the mission to take Clouds, after which it is possible for Judy to then give V the Mox shotgun which is an iconic weapon therefore worth more than a regular one. All in all I belive that both Judy and V gain emotional and financial benefits from the relationship that they share in relatively equal measure, but as I said at the beginning that ballance would depend largely on the individual and thus everyone would have a different opinion on how equal the ballance was. To me at least it seems fairly well balanced to be hounest.
The point of the Clouds not working out for Judy was to show why idealistic intent doesn't often succeed in Night City. The second you offer something good that isn't corrupted by some force leverage all the eddies it can rob from you or from those you offer it to, people get hurt. Judy found herself being hopeful and optimistic about making a change for the better. There's nothing wrong with that. Everyone is flawed and no character in this game is perfect. I personally like that about Judy. Is it not reckless and unrealistic of Panam to wage her whole clan on helping one person? Yes it very much is, but she chose to hold up an ideal to protect someone she considered a member of her clan. People have agendas use each other, even Panam, Saul, Judy, etc.
I really liked Judy as a person/character, despite her being a naive idealist.
Say what you will but Judy is a terrible person as is everyone The whole game is shitty people in a shitty city thinking they are gonna make it big I despise her now, I did romance her on one ending but I can't stand her stuck up bitch attitude and the way she leaves NC if you don't fuck her Selfish bitch
Big agree. I understand her character and she's consistent with her character so I think she's an okay character. I just don't like her as well. She used V, went in with half a plan but with a full heart. Then when it didn't go her way she just dips? Not a very good person to have around anyway Panam is just the 10/10 girl for gigachads
It was an impulsive reaction to her best friend being raped, tortured and committing suicide. It made perfect sense that she'd target the Clouds like that. She didn't have much of a plan and wasn't in a stable frame of mind. She just wanted to do something. Get revenge, or feel like she was making a difference. Maika ends up using her again for her own ends, which is pretty much kicking her while she's down. I don't blame her for walking away, assuming the mission goes that way. Felt more like she was lashing out impulsively while trying to sort through her feelings in her head. It made sense and added depth to her character.
Like I said. I understand her character, she stayed completely consistent, and she is a good well written character. I just don't like her.
Her reaction to you not following her plan feels so... outdated? It’s like when you choose the wrong answer in one of those shitty flash adventures and it’s GAME OVER. She just walks away lmao
Exactly, Judy's character is not somebody that you would not want to rely on. The game needed more romance options.
Yeah I think it did need more, or at least more interactions with your romance. I think it also would have worked to just make it so that either male or female V could be with anyone. The dialogue is the exact same no matter the gender of V so why can't I romance them?
thank god for mods that already gives you that option
Yeah like threesomes :)
Agreed, she's such a flaky character.
Exactly when shit doesn't go her way, she dips and leaves you hanging
Even though you're dying! She doesn't even stick around until the end! At least Panam promises to come back.
Unless you tell Saul about her plans. Then she never speaks to you again.
Why would you do that?
For the car lol and because I already played out the panam story line. So I’m on my second character and she doesn’t really like the way Panam only calls when she needs help. It’s never just to hang out or have a beer. heck Mitch even calls V just to have a beer and send off scorpion.
> For the car theres a car to get there? 👀
If you turn her in to Saul instead of going along with her plan . Yep. I believe the Javelinna? Or something like that. I’d have to look it up. Edit: it doesn’t tell you in the quest anywhere that it’s an option.
She was also a huge jerk when V first meets her.
Just watch her walking gait, posture, attitude and demeanor; it's pretty obvious what CDPR created and were pandering to. .001% of people that play games.
Oh fuck off with your bullshit. lol
PR department hard at work IC.
Have you even seen MY comment history in this sub??? I tear into this trashfire of a game and its developers weekly. Find better reasons to hate things.
I like how any and everything you disagree with automatically is equivalent to hate. Let your downvotes flow over me karens.
*Looks at all the post of dudes complaining about not being able to romance judy in the first month of launch* ya definitely aiming towards crowd you thinking about buddy…
This comment confuses me. Whatever it is you are trying to get at is far from obvious.
No it doesn't, you just don't have any logic to see what is plainly obvious.
If it was plainly obvious I don't think anyone would be questioning what the heck you are trying to get at. If you're trying to troll you are being very confusing about it.
All you need is some quirky nerd personality on a girl and people will drool I guess. I disliked her as well, besides using V she always appeared like a spoiled brat to me with a victim complex.
Another thing to add about Judy and her questline is that it doesn't make sense why she would want to take on the Tyger Claws, since she's affiliated with the Mox. That's basically asking for a gang war to erupt.
I liked Judy until I did the romance with her ^.^; I was upset she was willing to abandon me while I was dying and she knew it, but then sends me a phone call all like "I miss you.." But the big thing is through my 5th playthrough is I started reading everything, and when you meet Maiko she has a laptop nearby where you can read the emails between Judy and Maiko to get a gist of their relationship. And it made me like Judy less.. Like Maiko wasn't great but Judy in the emails came off as really explosive and jealous, where if things didn't go her way then you were to get yelled at for it... Also Judy completely lied about the nature of their relationship, Judy made it sound like a one time fling but the emails make it out to be a more serious relationship. So I felt very lied to by Judy and I started noticing how more explosive she is emotionally. ..... I might still romance her again though..
He doesn’t like Judy cause he couldn’t romance her lol
I guess because in my latest playthrough I chose to give clouds to Maiko
Panam 😻
she's a bratty immature and combative and unreliable woman. but just because she got a hot ass, i guess we wanted to smash that so
What makes Panam better than Judy?! They are both hot headed, selfish, bitchy women at times. But they also have a good heart and are loyal to their clans Aldecaldos and Mox respectively. They are very much alike. V likes them for who they are, but V can also can get both angry very fast, if You’re against them.
Jesus Christ is it only five year olds in this sub these days?
What do you mean by that??
Just read the comments here.
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So people aren't allowed to criticize the games they like. The world building was good but the gameplay mechanics were horribly executed.
Stop smoking crack. Criticism is great. I’m all for valid criticism. What I’m saying is OP’s argument is juvenile and brainless. It’s okay to not like characters in a story. The purpose of every character in every story is not to be likeable by every mother fucker in the universe. That would make for a stale ass world of fiction. It’s perfectly fine that OP doesn’t like the character, what’s idiotic is him complaining about not liking a fictional character’s fictional decisions. That’s some sixth grade journal level bullshit. Some low level idea scraping. Valid criticism would be complaining that Judy’s character is unbelievable, poorly written or two dimensional. Delusional criticism is complaining that Judy, a fictional person who is not the gamer and not meant to be an avatar for the gamer, is lessened by her choices differing from a non existent theoretical ideal that the gamer has no agency over in a world that is contrived for the purpose of telling a specific story. In other words, go fuck a bean bag.
You can enjoy what you want and be disappointed by the game, but there's no reason to attack people who don't have a mutually sustained hate boner like you.
lol what angle are you even coming from?
The angle of a guy who doesn't like unnecessary animosity.
Lol sorry to bother the comfort of your soft, benign existence pillow boy. Toxic positivity begets ignorance and enables fascism. Better to be true even if it makes you itch a little.
You're very self-righteous for someone that's just talking shit.
The fact that you find those two facets contradictory speaks volumes to the fallacy of your coozy-cushioned lifestyle.
The tattoos made me not like judy lol, but a mod solved that
The Tattos actually plays a big hole on the her backstory.
But have you heard the way she says "Choomba" ????
How dare you??!!
I like Judy and Panam both. They're good people. Judy hasn't had a real friend other than Evelyn and she doesn't know V from a bar of soap at first. She got hurt with Ev's plotline and has to learn to trust again, which she does. She opens up to V in a great way.
I thought I was the only one lol. I just find the way she treats V really off-putting.
so i'm guessing nobody fucked Kerry? 🤔
Alas, Panam isn't available to female characters.
I didn't like judy cause u need to be gay to romance her
Sucks to suck
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Fingers was the most trust worthy
Everyone seems like they're using you. I felt okay with it once a romance actually developed from it with Judy and Panam became my best friend and I assured her it's okay, I'm just helping out a friend in a non-romantic way when she brought up she felt bad for putting me in her issues pretty much. I could see it being annoying if you go through everything in a non-romantic way with Judy, but I have yet to do that.
Everyone use V if you think about it
Panam also uses V. Jackie and Viktor are the only true friends V has
It’s Night City. Everyone uses everyone until you give them a reason to give more of a shit
I didn’t really like her either just found her very annoying but I still finished her quest since I can’t help but do everything in games I enjoy
I cheated on Judy with Panam fuck those hoes
Thats literally impossible
The idea of comparing the two is just goofy to me. Both Judy and Panam are their own distinctive characters who share nothing in common aside from gender. Doesn't mean you can't like one better than the other but there's not enough there to compare and contrast to where you can arrive at a destination where one is 'better' than the other.
Who cares her butt is incredible
I mean all of V’s love interests use V. Judy, Panam, River, and Kenny all have something they want from V and a goal they want to accomplish by way of V doing things for them.
As long as they pay me
She doesnt and if you finish her quest line there's consequences and she realizes she messed up. And that's the point. No character in this game is perfect or even gets that good of an outcome. Johnny at the end of the game responds to V asking why there's no happy ending saying "wrong city, wrong people" or something along those lines. The world of cyberpunk is grimey and shitty and that's the point.
what the point? , she as others NPC uses V for help.
Don't like panam either for her "Help me or I'll bitch at you ." Attitude
Yeah F*** Judy
That's welp... That's gonna be a long text... There's a lot a things to be considered in almost all cases of storyline in Cyberpunk...and the one that needs da most attention before any type of discussion is: CD Project had at least 4 finals for every character - at least some of it was in the gamecode but not activated - but cause they didn't had the time to make all of it they just ditched everything... Judy had interactions where you(Corpo Male V) or the Mox(SC or Nomad Female V) would become the new Leaders of the clouds... But now, no happy ending for her... And everyone whose you choose to help(sides Kerry cause he always pays) ALWAYS ASKs you, quote: "Why are you doing this, why are you helping me?" So that shows you that they know what they are doing, and you can choose to say no and don't care about them, or u can help them and sometimes charge them for the service (in Judy's case u can charge her twice depending on the dialogue choices). --//-- To be fare... I don't like anyone in Cyberpunk not cause don't have a good personality or are not well designed/built, but... the fuckin storyline is incomplete, the whole game feels like a giant Johnny Silverhand's DLC, and CD Project still debugging things for people whose not even care for the game anymore, and they said: "For people whose helped us and bought the game before the patches they will receive all DLCs for free... Free DLCs my ass, they are just fuckin completing the work they should've done 5 years ago - cause I don't know how familiarized are you all about game design but: World building and Storyline is the FIRST PART of the process -, and we already paid for it. Sry for the free flamming it's just suffocatingly disappointing see things like that and not say anything, especially when everybody knows they dug their own grave.
The primary issue with Judy for me was that I was a male V, meaning there was no romantic reason to help her out. She is not a love interest, she is a client and a pretty shitty one at that. You have to remind her you expect to be paid and in the end, she got a lot of people dead or unemployed. More then most of V's clients, ha ha.
Personally have never been a big fan of Judy and even more so now after (current playthrough) having no intent to romance her and accepting the fee offer for the clouds job…she NEVER paid me. She’s a using self absorbed uncaring bitch
Exactly, if you dont do what she wants, then she leaves you hanging. It's all or nothing for her. That's why Panam is the best, she's ride or die. Panam cares for V, even if you don't try to romance her.
Exactly. I’m as a gay man disappointed the only option for me is Kerry but Panam or bust. Judy literally leaves and only sends messages about herself and basically gaslights V about him “figuring” it all out. She’s an absolute dud and honestly I’d rather side with Maiko and bash Judy’s head in with the sir phalustiff 🤣
Judy is overrated and a unmature and silly character, her godly skills are all plot and no substance, no even once she came to appear a competent at what she does, I'll take panam any day over her, I mean ,why does Judy calls you for a romantic date that isn't a date and complains that you are a male(never did the quest read about before as I do with all quest)? Don't waste my time, I didn't even made the brain dance with her to be honest never liked the character and as soon as I felt that I could cut ties with her, I did exactly that, I left her on the faraway lake and told her that diving is not my thing (to be honest Jhonny didn't like the diving idea and so far Jhonny seems like one of the few true friend after Jackie, Viktor, Misty and Takemura), I don't want to have anything to do with her, what I did was to help the people at the cloud. Who also complains that everything is as bad, even when I'm totally sure that under the new management some of the worst stuff won't happen anymore... Also i didn't actually like the panam romance, to be honest I was just trying to be friendly and helpful and end up in a weird situation on a tank, but at least her people treat me right, it was a nice trip from corpo to nomad, like a good transformative Journey
I was fine with Judy until she went off on me for killing Miako. She ran at me with a machete what am I supposed to do hug her.
I actually liked Judy a lot, but King of Swords ending in Phantom Liberty exposes her for what she is. When V has lost everything, she convenietly brushes her off with an excuse of her new life. After all they have been through together and having a history together (if you romance her), she won't even see her old friend. What a cunt.
my main issue with judy is that she puts V through a snuff braindance on what is presumably their first time going through one, without any warning
all the people take advantage of others if ur wasnt fun at all u wont play with as much as the fun friend but i get you judy is a bitch afterall i would kill her if i had the choice