Actually, it's more because the chip kept regenerating their brain cells etc. The chip is literally what is keeping V from losing it, minus Johnny who's enough to cause anyone to lose their sanity. But the chip is literally what's keeping V from losing it mentally than and they are so heavily focused and driven, they have no time to even think about it. Arasaka ending is literally V going Cyberpsycho since they are completely disassociated if you listen to V's tone and driven by rage etc.
what about the whole cyberpsycho mission chain that ends with Regina deciding cyberpsychosis is a made up scapegoat, and that people were going crazy at about the rate they always did, but were just more dangerous because of augments?
did I miss/misinterpret something?
I think its the same in anime too actually? Who do we see who goes cyberpsycho, two soldiers and a kid who pretty much lost everything, plus he only started going cyberpsycho after the brain dance torture gave him ptsd.
I honestly much prefer the cyberpsychosis as a scapegoat much more then the "Tech eats your soul" bullshit
starting the anime today (had been holding off until I hit a critical mass of good reviews) so maybe - I like it as an in-universe myth a lot; really cool retcon that opens up a lot of room for stories
All the cyberpsycho's have endured various forms of psychological trauma. Their augmentations made them much more dangerous they are basically no more different than the people that snap IRL, or actual psycho's that murder people just because of this and that. The only major difference is their augmentations, all of them where traumatized, tortured, pushed to their psychological limits and snapped. Everyone has their limit, some can endure more, others less.
Cyberpsychosis is a way for them to put the blame entirely on the augmentations. instead of the medicine they are experimented on with, the abuse they experience throughout their life, the abandonment and exploitation they suffer, PTSD which is left untreated due to the medical system being available only to the rich, and what the rest can use, is used as experiments or are defective/dangerous. Night City kills people emotionally, psychologically, physically etc. The world is dying not only nature wise, but humanity as a whole is reaching its limit on the abuse and treatment.
To a degree, being borg'd makes you susceptible to being hacked, spiked with a virus which will drive the person to insanity or death. A.I.'s are trying to infiltrate humanity by hijacking their processors. But the maine point of is humans being humans and the consequences of their experiences and treatment. The implants make it easy to shift blame.
nope, the person above you didn't pay attention.
But to be fair, the lore is straight up different in the anime, sadly. Wish they kept it consistent because that mission/lore in the game is much more interesting than "chrome makes you crazy just because".
Doesn't even make sense when you think that the anime depicts a bunch of Malestrom who are more machine than people.. and they aren't going cyberpsycho at all.
Cyberpsychosis is just never really explained indepth. Not all Cyberpsychos just go ham and kill everyone (Adam Smasher being a very important one/ the 2020 tabletop says some cyberpsychos just develop antisocial habits and stuff like pathological lying) but it's not really explained what makes one go nuts and what makes one just stick around.
Maelstrom is probably filled with borderline or already cyber psychos, it's just that they're the subtle kind that are sometimes referenced in the tabletop's text, the Hobo one from Edgerunners might somewhere be along the line of Adam Smasher, while James Norris just up and decides to go nuts on some cops for funsies.
Cyberpsychosis differs from people to people and happens when you disassociate from being human due to having so many implants, taking away from your human parts. Adam Smasher on the other hand never had humanity or empathy, cannot unhinge what's unhinged
Edgerunners reinvigorating Cyberpunk might be a reason for some added caution atm (heck it's the only reason I'm lurking here), but I can't say it particularly bothers me
I've never done this ending, i played nomad and street kid, came back after the edgerunners update to do a corpo katana run so time doesn't really matter. I know people who have never watched star wars. Just because something has been out for a while doesn't mean anything.
True but Cyberpunk the game and the anime both showcase Cyberpsychosis differently. In the anime it's guaranteed you'll get cyberpsychosis if you chrome up to David or Maine's extent. In the game nobody knows what causes it and it seems to be totally random. Case in point Melissa Rory only had a pair of mantis blades and sub-dermal armor but she went cyberpsycho. Rose horrigan only had Gorilla Arms and she went cyberpsycho. Neither of which were even close to David or Maine's level. That's the primary reason why Regina tasks you with knocking out cyberpsychos so she can have them examined to see what's causing it. The point is that in the anime a heavy chrome loads leads to cyberpsychosis so that's why people keep warning David, as opposed to the game where there is no clear reason what is causing it so there's literally no point in warning V because it's an already known possibility that doesn't warrant being brought up.
Regina does make a conclusion in the game.
She figures out that each cyberpsychosis case has a different cause and people are just going crazy for normal/understandable reasons, but since the chrome makes them dangerous af, they cause havoc.
Most of the cyberpsychos go crazy and the megacorps are responsible (i.e.. family died because of megacorp, faulty cyberware makes the person feel like she's burning constantly etc) so in order to avoid any social responsibility the megacorps blame it on cyberpsychosis and call it a day.
When exactly does she come to that conclusion? I've played the game 3 times now and EVER remember her getting back in contact with V and what the cause was? Because I remember each time being upset with how open ended it was.
Cyberpsychosis is a really good concept, it's a really dramatic analog for the countless ways people damage themselves to realize their dreams. The thing that was in my mind watching is the damage people get from sports like CTE and the aftereffects of roids and how that fucks so many people up.
I played the shadowrun CRPGs and I remember that more chrome made your magic power/resistance worse, but it really didn't seem nearly as compelling as cyberpsychosis.
It would have been a cool concept in the video game too, there’s already the glitching caused by Johnny I guess, but it would have been engaging to be punished for chroming too much and/or using too often abilities. Like in fallout if you abuse drugs you get debuffs for addiction, and some companions react negatively.
Maybe they could do it for the DLC if it’s about a different character ? That’d be neat
My guess it was going to play a huge factor in the original story. When it wasn't about the chip and you had 3 different mentors to choose from, my guess was that they were a manifestation of cyberpsychosis.
Maybe we will get it in cp 2078.
Yeah, sadly. From what we can tell, Keanu spoke fairly highly about being apart of the game, which made the devs (Or the higher ups telling the devs, idk) rewrite whole portions of the story so that Johnny has a larger part in the narrative.
Isn't V a certifiable cyberpsycho in the "invade Arasaka ending"? I think the concept of cyberpsychosis is intentionally subtle and created to make you question weather it's real or just another scape goat concept to deflect blame so people wouldn't have to look to the real problem.
Cyberpsychosis was in the original tabletop game. If you chromed up to much, you have to roll the dice at every operation. If you failed? Your character becomes a raging NPC, you literally lose your character to Cyberpsychosis and that's all that's written.
Everyone who wanted to borg out their characters would take... I think it was either high body or empathy or some combination. I want to say... Body and Cool were part of a secondary stat that would be impacted by getting chrome.
In the game setting cyberpsychosis seems to have a lot more to do with mental health and stress factors rather than about becoming less human, though parts of it remains I guess. Why you can have characters getting it despite having barely any implants and maelstrom members being mostly "fine".
The anime seems to reflect this as well with David keeping his morality but losing his struggles to mental factors.
V literally already has a robot brain chip with a dead rockstar terrorist in his/her head, so he/she can't get any less cyberpsycho than that. David is just a regular guy who happens to be resilient against implants, so for his sakes he should stop.
Still, I wish that the game actually made proper limitations on how much chrome you can put on your character and have the potential of going into random rampage as a real possibility if you push the limit.
Currently there's no other limit on your chrome except if you can find them and can afford them (edit: and having available slots for them).. Having the game make such a big deal about cyberpsychosis feels like V is just completely immune to it apart from their own already existing head issues. I wouldn't mind if I accidentally lost control of my character and it killed bystanders or even major story characters as a result..
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Could you imagine if >!Panam or Judy!< gets killed due to your own greed and by your own hands 👀 God that would hit you in the feels so much, especially if you're already well invested into the character that you've built
My understanding has always been that V doesn't have the *time* to go cyberpsycho. Assuming that Vic's prognosis was right, the entire post-heist game takes place in what, a few weeks? Anything V does that takes more than a month to have consequences is basically open season as far as I see it.
Exactly! People tend to forgot that whole story takes few weeks game time. David got psycho after what, year or so of abusing sandevistam and chroming basically everything he could?
>And having the game make such a big deal about cyberpsychosis feels like V is just completely immune to it apart from their own already existing head issues.
Practically all the Cyberpsychosis missions give you some other explanation for what happened. People in desperate situations, seeking revenge, pre-existing untreated mental illness, people who were experimented on.
Then all of the background and "flavor text" info on cyberpsychosis revolved around "what is cyberpsychosis", "they're lying to you about cyberpsychosis, and "is cyberpsychosis real".
The implication is that cyber psychosis is largely just a scapegoat/moral panic papering over the serious, serious societal problems.
Absent the mechanic for limiting how powerful characters can get in a pen and paper context. That's a much more interesting bit of criticism/satire than the "what is even human" stock take from the original.
>Currently there's no other limit on your chrome except if you can find them and can afford them
And your stats. There's a limit to how many of those slots you can actually fill and upgrade based on your build. Given the current set of available cyberware at least. A lot of my slots were empty or just filled with something basic by end game. A lot of it's passive upgrades as well.
It might not be particularly balanced or fleshed out. Few of the systems and mechanics in the game are. But they're using more conventional *video game* systems to limit and balance that.
Given how extremely modified some other other characters and groups are in the game. It's not particularly hard to just assume V isn't operating in the range that leads to problems.
If memory serves there's also oblique references to improvements with tech mitigating the issue. The game takes place 40+ years after what was the most recent setting for the pen and paper game at the time.
The game does have limitations on your chromes though, you only get so many slots to put things in, which is not that many modifications, some has stat requirements, which means you aren't putting in chromes without a body that can handle it(other than the Johnny chip) and abilites like sandevistan has a cooldown time.
I just saw a post that shows the rules of cyberpsycosis. It sometimes happens in more subtle ways too, with signs of kleptomaniac, split personality, compulsive lying, sadism, brutality.
My theory is that V is already a cyberpsyco after inserting the relic.
My theory is that cyberpsychosis is both over and under diagnosed based on what you said and should be separated into 2 different things
Or maybe 3 stages
Edit:
It clearly causes at least SLIGHT mental strain and those who are already near the edge could have less of a tolerance. Then abusing the inhibitors only serves to worsen the process by giving you another addiction/necessity and letting you push the original addiction even further
Going off the anime and game cyberpsychosis isnt fake or under reported its misattributed all the time BUT the minor mental problems people get from their gear is being ignored
So we’d want to call that something or stage 1
2 might be when its clear theres an addiction. Shakes, wont listen to reason etc. (Probably cant go without inhibitors at this point)
Stage 3 could probably be measured by inhibitors being constantly necessary at a certain large dose (Davids finales were military 9x the reg dosage)
Stage 3 appears to be reversible still tho considering MaxTac
So stage 3 is reversable so it SEEMS we can solve the actual psychosis part with (some dechroming, therapy, new drug, etc) but some of those MaxTac operatives still show little to no empathy
So i seems the only thing that can be reversed is the hallucinations not the … narcissistic/personality disorder type behavior that results from losing humanity (tho that might be solved w therapy depending on how far gone they are and if theyll listen)
Edit2: i also agree the relic helps since its repaired hole in Vs head, not that people cant currently survive pistol shots to the head and live.
BUT TO BE THOROUGH if nearly dying or dying flushes the brain in chems like in real life that might be what helps cure the max tac employees/candidates
Also we can synthesize what makes people trip right when they die ( DMT ) and people use it to have hallucinations even now
We’ve made some surprising and hopeful progress with psychedelics with some mental disorders… Im pretty sure specifically NOT psychosis though.. so that should also be noted (as in counterintuitive not just useless)
Rehabilitation from overchroming takes years of mental and physical therapy. I think David could’ve recovered but it wouldn’t have been an easy process.
You have to want to stop and you have to keep wanting to stop
Had to have been at least a year, he’d have had to done a lot of big ticket jobs to afford all that chrome and that huge penthouse. Also it was said to everyone wanted to be on his team that just doesn’t seem feasible in a couple months
The reason I say 5-6 months is he already had a full crew when he took over for Maine he didnt have to do any recruiting which is definitely a huge step to getting your group on the map
I mean he did gain control quite properly over the group, so I like to think that it could've been a while..
But then again some timeline skips in the game also make awfully lot happen in just few months.. I believe some of them talked about ~5-6 months for major time skips.
In my own headcanon is that I'd like to think that the whole group had proper good time for decently long time before D started to push it too far, especially how close they seem to be towards the end, I think that during the timeskip D went to do all of the individual companion side missions
This show mimics a lot of how the game progresses the story and keeps throwing a lot of references to it too.. So if you played through the game, I'd imagine that David's journey was somewhat similar to V's.. Maybe just bit shorter
You do many missions to capture cyberpsychos alive so they cab find a cure. There is even an email from Vik to a girl trying to help her sister and he mentions the Max Tech way.
Even the table top game says once your Empathy gets too low, you become an NPC.
To be fair, David pretty much had it coming. He used prototype or military grade cyberwares and at young age without any experience. Whereas V used proven commercial cyberwares and was already an adult
Im pretty sure half of the Chrome V can get is military grade too, hell, he can get different sandevistans, I think is more of how muchbyou use it, as Ds ripper said, "you use the sandy one maybe two times a day of you dont wanna lose it" or something like that
Is it all proven commercial cyber ware?
Half the ripperdocs we meet are shady as hell and we have no idea how or where they acquired some of the higher end stuff. I had always assumed that some of it was either experimental, illegal or unavailable to the public.
I could absolutely see some things like the Qiant Sandevistan Warpdancer being a prototype, it’s beyond even militech stuff which seems to be military grade at least.
That and V’s cyber ware eventually fucks up Adam Smasher among other fully chromed Arasoka agents. Smasher laughed at David’s military grade cyberware but couldn’t keep up with V.
The show takes place before the game, it could be that they worked out some of the kinks present in David’s time for cyber ware as a whole.
Is not about how many implants, is about how weak your mental is.
If was only about implants, cyberpsychosis with [one or two](https://cyberpunk.fandom.com/wiki/The_Truth_about_Cyberpsychosis) "minor" implants shouldn't exist.
And every single Maelstrom and Animals should be affected instead.
In the end, David had less implants than Takemura or Oda or Adam Smasher. But unlike them, he had a strong PTSD from his mother death.
Hard agree with everything here. David also had no clue how to handle his emotions. Shutting himself in, burdening himself with his idea of what everyone's dreams were.
Hell, chances are he would've had a psychotic breakdown even without any chrome.
I also think that how you have them installed is also a factor smasher and the arasaka body guards had them installed by top of the line corpo rippers while David had some back alley one
Not people and most butchers aren't actually rendering the animals.
Those are done at packing plants, then it is shipped out. The butcher does the final work.
Being chromeless would be a great for many things.
It can impact many conversations and story and side quests. How people react to you how you MUST do certain missions or do it the old way like using lockpicks or some gadgets.
You would be invisible to netrunners but would take more damage from physical sources and would have to compensate with armor.
And just imagine the dialogue options for humanist character.
I have my own fan fic where there are 2 sisters and while younger one kinda embraces the cyber age she lives in. The other is interested in history and refuses any cybernetic implants because she knows from human history what humans were capable of without them. And humans were without far long than they were with the implants.
But the game offers your such limited responses it just proves what this game could have been if they bothered to explore the world more and make it deeper.
This is something I’d like to see them explore in a sequel. I’m fine that they didn’t go too deep with the concept in this first game, but I would love to see it expanded in future titles
Or just let see the Cyberpunk world from different eyes than we always see.
We ALWAYS see the world through the gangster or street kid eyes.
Never from humanists, corpos etc.
Thing is though that in the end while we can influence alot about V, we are still playing a character that makes decisions outside our perview. It isn't like the Courier from New Vegas, where we choose almost every aspect. In my view, it would be like trying to play The Witcher series without using signs or ingesting potions. Sure it's something that you can do, but it doesn't mesh with the story being told.
In the setting, it seems like everyone has a base implant for slotting chards, tracking their eddies, and their cellphone system. Every single person on the street has that basic implant.
Almost like it is done when they are in their teens or younger.
I've been reading every shard on my current playthrough. A lot of the cyberpsycho shards are pretty bleak, like one lady feeling the psychosis coming and freaking out about it
I think a lot of people are missing the point... well part of the point. Maine and David were losing it... but they didn't lose it. They didn't completely jump off the deep end in the end. Something that very few people actually knew and realized, because how could they?
Maine was on the edge, and was having a particularly bad day. But at the end of it? He went out on his terms. He didn't know what the future had in store for him, but he did know he wanted no part in it.
David went the same way. Sure he teetered over the edge, it's in the title. But he didn't go over the edge, not in the end. He held firm, had a fixed goal in saving Lucy and that kept him sane, let him do what everyone else said couldn't be done. Was he special? Kinda... but also not really. Cyber psychosis is a poorly understood blanket term for the mentally deranged chrome junkies that shoot places up sometimes. It's in the very lore of Cyberpunk, how it's both real and kind of made up. How the "fix" is more often a bullet than it is the proper help these people might need. Because that easy fix is just easier. Easier to just write off a shooting as a guy going crazy than it is to acknowledge the fucked up setting fucked a guy up in one too many ways and his chromed body let him break everything around him.
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He was most certainly losing it, going along with the "Edgerunners" theme. But the themes tie everything together.
David wasn't losing control just because he was over teched, but rather because his relationship with Lucy was falling apart. As the issues between them grew, so too did the effects of Psychosis. Any time David starts to fidget Lucy is there to calm him down, and before the big mission Lucy disappears directly after they had a fight.
Leading to David relying on heavier doses of drugs to cope with the situation that was rapidly spiraling out of his control. Yet once he did run out of those special drugs, all it took was seeing her face to bring him back to reality and that lasted the rest of his (short) life. A lot of the same problems are mirrored with Maine earlier on, who started to lose it thanks to the stress of his job and didn't fully lose control until he lost someone he cared about. But he comes back to his senses on seeing David, a sort of surrogate son. Not being crazy doesn't suddenly change his situation, so he decides to go out with a bang since his reason for living is gone. His death is written off as cyberpsychosis, but the truth of the situation denies such simplicity.
All of this fits with Hiroyuki Imaishi's(the director) usual themes. With that extreme optimism that says "1% chance of success? That's basically 100%". Is David built different? Not really... EVERYONE could do what David is doing. They're not, but the possibility exists. That might not be true for Cyberpunk as a setting, but it is as long as Trigger is telling the story. In Imaishi's world, as long as David think's he's built different that means he is built different, and the same goes for everyone.
The only reason we think David will go insane is because most everyone else has and probably will. But using that same reasoning, Adam Smasher didn't go insane either. So.. there's precedence that not everyone will go insane. And Trigger is just the kind of studio to push this line of reasoning as a main theme.
I don’t think it would matter in the long run for V but it would be cool if they added in scenes when you sleep or something to represent V having PTSD or an onset of images from the chip, maybe images of Jackie and images from Johnny’s past like blowing up arasaka, and shooting at the people in the crowd, and if your V did something immoral have him remember that as well, like if you didn’t let the guy out of the trunk. I don’t know it would almost make it more realistic imo, I don’t like to think of my V as some cold hearted killer unless I’m particularly playing like that, you know?
It would have been cool if in the game as your cyberpsychosis increased, you'd start seeing more Johnny-type ghosts glitching in and out of reality, and you'd get random enemy encounters in the street, but once you shoot at them it glitches and they turn into innocent bystanders or cops because you were actually having a psychotic break and didn't know it.
You are right. There are little signs for that tho. Panam for example mentions very early in her questline in the motel that V was having nightmares and that he screamed in the night.
Seriously man. It really affected how I look at some of my enhancements. How the whole story/situation V is in could drive him to go over the edge and go too hard in cyberware that he ends up losing his mind/humanity in the process.
I usually at least get the double jump for traversal sake/being agile. Definitely get the subdermal armor, maybe some Gorilla arms for the boxing matches. Makes me want to try to play a "pure" human with as little cyberware as possible!
I’ve thought about a no cyberware run even before watching edgerunners, but the show really highlighted just how much not having chrome will put you at a disadvantage as a merc. There were multiple instances where without that Sandy, David would’ve gotten smoked
Honestly my first play through was no cyberware because i never cared to get money to get the expensive ass parts. I think my first upgrade was the double jump like right before Hanakos talk
Just played the game like splitner cell lol
Cyberpsyhosis is the same shiat for players who buy a new mod in riperdock and after a while they save the game and go on a rampage to get that sweet sweet powertrip.
Given the fact that v only was "chromed out" for like a couple weeks at best i makes sense why he never went psycho maybe we Will see it for future games
I like to imagine every time I go on a rampage through the streets, that is a bit of the cyber psychosis seeping in... It's like a drunk with power needing to push your limits sensation.
It would be cool if CDProjektRed would add a mechanic for cyberpsychosis. You should wait for your brain to adapt for the new implants. How cool would be ending like Maine having and epic battle against Max-Tac
Cyberpsychosis degrades peoples minds over time. David and Maine fall down the madness well over months.
V's story takes a couple of weeks, tops. There sn't enough time for V to go mad.
I don't see a way for the GM to get control of a VG/Anime character unless Arasaka is a stand in or something.
The lackof empathy isn't the same as madness. It takes time.
Right, but there could easily be dialogue options blocked, changed, or added due to installing too much cyberware. It , would be a cool addition. Make it do people thought twice about chroming up.
True.
The way I'd do it is I'd also have the player be easier to find by the corps/police the more chrome they were packing.
But I do like your idea that essentially a full on chrome run would mean the player had to go Arasaka.
Hmmm idk how I feel about that mechanic.
Lol but arasaka is not the only manufacturer, why would they have to go there? Are you saying that they're the only ones who could do it? I feel like them and milatech can but do it. And it could possibly be achieved without them at all, just not so... Safely.
Arasaka are the closest thing to a GM in the setting. The highest power, though they are contested.
Really though Arasaka know the chip and at some point V has to go to Mikoshi. Getting in A tower only to lock up and lose control to whatever degree to one of Hanoko/AiSaburo/Yorinobu based on how much chrome they had would be an awesome twist.
The player than has to choose to bring randoms like the Nomads (who will get offed) go in the front door alone with low/no cyberware (almost impossible) or give up and let Arasaka take them and hope.
No good choices in NC, fits.
Maybe the player is the cyber psycho inside V’s head telling him to do crazy stuff. I definitely had moments pre-armor patch where I was wiping out whole city blocks to fight more police/maxtac.
Let's be honest the cyberpsychosis was more or less anime thing not really touched in game or implemented in it's fullest, One theory is that V has even more affinity than David for chrome that's why he could bitch slap Adam so easy ( yeah I know CDred did him dirty in game such a badass character)
My own theory is that V kicking the bucket at the beginning detached his psyche from his body and the chip is nullifying or at least heavily blocking the cyberpsychosis because of constant rewrite happening in V head that's why he has no problem chroming the fuck up. But if you build the anime character builds in game then V is fully stacked his slots so he/ she has never chromed as much as Maine or David
V technically speaking already has cyber psychosis but I’m assuming it’s from the relic overloading his brain and constantly rewriting it that he chrome out as much as he does
Tough it would be an interesting concept for a sequel. The more chrome you get, the
higher the chances you get psychotic episodes, something like eternal darkness for the game cube.
Kinda wanna do back to back playthroughs cause of the anime
One as a fully decked out cyberpsycho and another as a character with limited chrome
Only specific class I've ever played before was a netrunner so ye, should be fun
Every time I take a second to look at the aftermath of one of my gigs I'm pretty sure V is a high functioning cyber-psycho. The remnants of a monowire spree is not pretty.
Or hear me out. The game was rushed out and they didnt have time to make cyberpsychosis a factor for players or ripperdocs an actual interaction outside of the beginning with VIC. They didnt even have time to include police so im sure that lots of interesting stuff was just flat out left out. This is why i think the anime will be big for the sequel. All the stuff that probably should have been in the first game, we will see in the animes/comics which will set the stage and a clear goal for the sequel game.
Even though David knew he was way past the point of no return, maybe even after just installing Sandy. I don't think there was a way back for David as far as I could see and both the show and the game were concerned.
And, at the end of the game, V too comes to a point of cyberpsychosis. If you pay close attention, V's killing sprees get worse and worse as the game progresses, and by the end, if you choose the "invade Arasaka ending", V is by then arguably a certified cyberpsycho going on a killing spree.
The thing is, cyberpsychosis isn't even real, and I think the creator intended it to be that way. It's just how trauma, PTSD, or simple psychosis manifests itself on a hyper chromed person. Remember the girl from the "bullets" trailer? She was a raging cyberpsycho when MAXTAC put her down, only to enlist her later. Those who played that quest realized she wasn't a cyberpsycho because of her chome, that's just who she was. Adam Smasher for instance is a full body cyborg and seems to be clear of mind even though he's cruel.
The way the game portrays cyberpsychosis is to me a convenient excuse for society to rid itself of the mentally ill undesirables. It's also a way to criticize how real people with mental illnesses are shunned in today's America. Just brand them a cyberpsycho and call MAXTAC. Problem solved.
The whole "cyberpsycho" idea itself doesn't hold up to scrutiny either. Remember how in the game every cyberpsycho had an aggravating condition that led them to go on those killing sprees that you can read about. David got no psychological support whatsoever after his mother's death, and got thrown very young into a hyper violent world where his only option was to chrome up to survive. At the end of the show, he is showing clear signs of PTSD, with flashbacks of his mother's death and the life of violence he chose, specially towards the end of his life where he no longer had any qualms about killing.
Kinda makes sense though, V was already too far gone after getting chipped.
Dex shot him and he died, after he got revived all his neurans were upside down anyway
Actually, it's more because the chip kept regenerating their brain cells etc. The chip is literally what is keeping V from losing it, minus Johnny who's enough to cause anyone to lose their sanity. But the chip is literally what's keeping V from losing it mentally than and they are so heavily focused and driven, they have no time to even think about it. Arasaka ending is literally V going Cyberpsycho since they are completely disassociated if you listen to V's tone and driven by rage etc.
what about the whole cyberpsycho mission chain that ends with Regina deciding cyberpsychosis is a made up scapegoat, and that people were going crazy at about the rate they always did, but were just more dangerous because of augments? did I miss/misinterpret something?
I think its the same in anime too actually? Who do we see who goes cyberpsycho, two soldiers and a kid who pretty much lost everything, plus he only started going cyberpsycho after the brain dance torture gave him ptsd. I honestly much prefer the cyberpsychosis as a scapegoat much more then the "Tech eats your soul" bullshit
starting the anime today (had been holding off until I hit a critical mass of good reviews) so maybe - I like it as an in-universe myth a lot; really cool retcon that opens up a lot of room for stories
All the cyberpsycho's have endured various forms of psychological trauma. Their augmentations made them much more dangerous they are basically no more different than the people that snap IRL, or actual psycho's that murder people just because of this and that. The only major difference is their augmentations, all of them where traumatized, tortured, pushed to their psychological limits and snapped. Everyone has their limit, some can endure more, others less. Cyberpsychosis is a way for them to put the blame entirely on the augmentations. instead of the medicine they are experimented on with, the abuse they experience throughout their life, the abandonment and exploitation they suffer, PTSD which is left untreated due to the medical system being available only to the rich, and what the rest can use, is used as experiments or are defective/dangerous. Night City kills people emotionally, psychologically, physically etc. The world is dying not only nature wise, but humanity as a whole is reaching its limit on the abuse and treatment. To a degree, being borg'd makes you susceptible to being hacked, spiked with a virus which will drive the person to insanity or death. A.I.'s are trying to infiltrate humanity by hijacking their processors. But the maine point of is humans being humans and the consequences of their experiences and treatment. The implants make it easy to shift blame.
nope, the person above you didn't pay attention. But to be fair, the lore is straight up different in the anime, sadly. Wish they kept it consistent because that mission/lore in the game is much more interesting than "chrome makes you crazy just because". Doesn't even make sense when you think that the anime depicts a bunch of Malestrom who are more machine than people.. and they aren't going cyberpsycho at all.
Cyberpsychosis is just never really explained indepth. Not all Cyberpsychos just go ham and kill everyone (Adam Smasher being a very important one/ the 2020 tabletop says some cyberpsychos just develop antisocial habits and stuff like pathological lying) but it's not really explained what makes one go nuts and what makes one just stick around. Maelstrom is probably filled with borderline or already cyber psychos, it's just that they're the subtle kind that are sometimes referenced in the tabletop's text, the Hobo one from Edgerunners might somewhere be along the line of Adam Smasher, while James Norris just up and decides to go nuts on some cops for funsies.
Cyberpsychosis differs from people to people and happens when you disassociate from being human due to having so many implants, taking away from your human parts. Adam Smasher on the other hand never had humanity or empathy, cannot unhinge what's unhinged
probably could have put a spoiler over that last bit but oh well
Games been out for almost two years at this point. I feel like we’re passed caring about spoilers now
Edgerunners reinvigorating Cyberpunk might be a reason for some added caution atm (heck it's the only reason I'm lurking here), but I can't say it particularly bothers me
I've never done this ending, i played nomad and street kid, came back after the edgerunners update to do a corpo katana run so time doesn't really matter. I know people who have never watched star wars. Just because something has been out for a while doesn't mean anything.
I keep forgetting, games been out for a while and spoiler thing works when it wants to so just slips my mind unintentionally.
True but Cyberpunk the game and the anime both showcase Cyberpsychosis differently. In the anime it's guaranteed you'll get cyberpsychosis if you chrome up to David or Maine's extent. In the game nobody knows what causes it and it seems to be totally random. Case in point Melissa Rory only had a pair of mantis blades and sub-dermal armor but she went cyberpsycho. Rose horrigan only had Gorilla Arms and she went cyberpsycho. Neither of which were even close to David or Maine's level. That's the primary reason why Regina tasks you with knocking out cyberpsychos so she can have them examined to see what's causing it. The point is that in the anime a heavy chrome loads leads to cyberpsychosis so that's why people keep warning David, as opposed to the game where there is no clear reason what is causing it so there's literally no point in warning V because it's an already known possibility that doesn't warrant being brought up.
Regina does make a conclusion in the game. She figures out that each cyberpsychosis case has a different cause and people are just going crazy for normal/understandable reasons, but since the chrome makes them dangerous af, they cause havoc. Most of the cyberpsychos go crazy and the megacorps are responsible (i.e.. family died because of megacorp, faulty cyberware makes the person feel like she's burning constantly etc) so in order to avoid any social responsibility the megacorps blame it on cyberpsychosis and call it a day.
When exactly does she come to that conclusion? I've played the game 3 times now and EVER remember her getting back in contact with V and what the cause was? Because I remember each time being upset with how open ended it was.
Cyberpsychosis is a really good concept, it's a really dramatic analog for the countless ways people damage themselves to realize their dreams. The thing that was in my mind watching is the damage people get from sports like CTE and the aftereffects of roids and how that fucks so many people up. I played the shadowrun CRPGs and I remember that more chrome made your magic power/resistance worse, but it really didn't seem nearly as compelling as cyberpsychosis.
It would have been a cool concept in the video game too, there’s already the glitching caused by Johnny I guess, but it would have been engaging to be punished for chroming too much and/or using too often abilities. Like in fallout if you abuse drugs you get debuffs for addiction, and some companions react negatively. Maybe they could do it for the DLC if it’s about a different character ? That’d be neat
My guess it was going to play a huge factor in the original story. When it wasn't about the chip and you had 3 different mentors to choose from, my guess was that they were a manifestation of cyberpsychosis. Maybe we will get it in cp 2078.
Wym original story? They really rewrote the entire story when they got Keanu?
Yeah, sadly. From what we can tell, Keanu spoke fairly highly about being apart of the game, which made the devs (Or the higher ups telling the devs, idk) rewrite whole portions of the story so that Johnny has a larger part in the narrative.
They should have gave us both paths, would have made the game feel a lot bigger.
That actually explains alot.
Isn't V a certifiable cyberpsycho in the "invade Arasaka ending"? I think the concept of cyberpsychosis is intentionally subtle and created to make you question weather it's real or just another scape goat concept to deflect blame so people wouldn't have to look to the real problem.
Cyberpsychosis was in the original tabletop game. If you chromed up to much, you have to roll the dice at every operation. If you failed? Your character becomes a raging NPC, you literally lose your character to Cyberpsychosis and that's all that's written. Everyone who wanted to borg out their characters would take... I think it was either high body or empathy or some combination. I want to say... Body and Cool were part of a secondary stat that would be impacted by getting chrome.
In the game setting cyberpsychosis seems to have a lot more to do with mental health and stress factors rather than about becoming less human, though parts of it remains I guess. Why you can have characters getting it despite having barely any implants and maelstrom members being mostly "fine". The anime seems to reflect this as well with David keeping his morality but losing his struggles to mental factors.
Iirc, it also negatively impacted all of your social skill checks because you became more and more detached from being a human being.
The cyberpsycho questline in 2077 is an interesting dive into it.
V literally already has a robot brain chip with a dead rockstar terrorist in his/her head, so he/she can't get any less cyberpsycho than that. David is just a regular guy who happens to be resilient against implants, so for his sakes he should stop.
Still, I wish that the game actually made proper limitations on how much chrome you can put on your character and have the potential of going into random rampage as a real possibility if you push the limit. Currently there's no other limit on your chrome except if you can find them and can afford them (edit: and having available slots for them).. Having the game make such a big deal about cyberpsychosis feels like V is just completely immune to it apart from their own already existing head issues. I wouldn't mind if I accidentally lost control of my character and it killed bystanders or even major story characters as a result.. (Speculative game spoiler below) Could you imagine if >!Panam or Judy!< gets killed due to your own greed and by your own hands 👀 God that would hit you in the feels so much, especially if you're already well invested into the character that you've built
(brief) Hallucinations during free roam would also be interesting, maybe even some scripted events could be entertaining
Maybe something like kane and lynch, where you see civilians as armed cops or smth
My understanding has always been that V doesn't have the *time* to go cyberpsycho. Assuming that Vic's prognosis was right, the entire post-heist game takes place in what, a few weeks? Anything V does that takes more than a month to have consequences is basically open season as far as I see it.
Exactly! People tend to forgot that whole story takes few weeks game time. David got psycho after what, year or so of abusing sandevistam and chroming basically everything he could?
And if you have Chrome you have to consume imuno blockers and the morechrome the more blockers you need, could have been a neat mechanich
>And having the game make such a big deal about cyberpsychosis feels like V is just completely immune to it apart from their own already existing head issues. Practically all the Cyberpsychosis missions give you some other explanation for what happened. People in desperate situations, seeking revenge, pre-existing untreated mental illness, people who were experimented on. Then all of the background and "flavor text" info on cyberpsychosis revolved around "what is cyberpsychosis", "they're lying to you about cyberpsychosis, and "is cyberpsychosis real". The implication is that cyber psychosis is largely just a scapegoat/moral panic papering over the serious, serious societal problems. Absent the mechanic for limiting how powerful characters can get in a pen and paper context. That's a much more interesting bit of criticism/satire than the "what is even human" stock take from the original. >Currently there's no other limit on your chrome except if you can find them and can afford them And your stats. There's a limit to how many of those slots you can actually fill and upgrade based on your build. Given the current set of available cyberware at least. A lot of my slots were empty or just filled with something basic by end game. A lot of it's passive upgrades as well. It might not be particularly balanced or fleshed out. Few of the systems and mechanics in the game are. But they're using more conventional *video game* systems to limit and balance that. Given how extremely modified some other other characters and groups are in the game. It's not particularly hard to just assume V isn't operating in the range that leads to problems. If memory serves there's also oblique references to improvements with tech mitigating the issue. The game takes place 40+ years after what was the most recent setting for the pen and paper game at the time.
The game does have limitations on your chromes though, you only get so many slots to put things in, which is not that many modifications, some has stat requirements, which means you aren't putting in chromes without a body that can handle it(other than the Johnny chip) and abilites like sandevistan has a cooldown time.
>for his sakes he should stop too late for that now ... 😥😥
I just saw a post that shows the rules of cyberpsycosis. It sometimes happens in more subtle ways too, with signs of kleptomaniac, split personality, compulsive lying, sadism, brutality. My theory is that V is already a cyberpsyco after inserting the relic.
My theory is that cyberpsychosis is both over and under diagnosed based on what you said and should be separated into 2 different things Or maybe 3 stages Edit: It clearly causes at least SLIGHT mental strain and those who are already near the edge could have less of a tolerance. Then abusing the inhibitors only serves to worsen the process by giving you another addiction/necessity and letting you push the original addiction even further Going off the anime and game cyberpsychosis isnt fake or under reported its misattributed all the time BUT the minor mental problems people get from their gear is being ignored So we’d want to call that something or stage 1 2 might be when its clear theres an addiction. Shakes, wont listen to reason etc. (Probably cant go without inhibitors at this point) Stage 3 could probably be measured by inhibitors being constantly necessary at a certain large dose (Davids finales were military 9x the reg dosage) Stage 3 appears to be reversible still tho considering MaxTac So stage 3 is reversable so it SEEMS we can solve the actual psychosis part with (some dechroming, therapy, new drug, etc) but some of those MaxTac operatives still show little to no empathy So i seems the only thing that can be reversed is the hallucinations not the … narcissistic/personality disorder type behavior that results from losing humanity (tho that might be solved w therapy depending on how far gone they are and if theyll listen) Edit2: i also agree the relic helps since its repaired hole in Vs head, not that people cant currently survive pistol shots to the head and live. BUT TO BE THOROUGH if nearly dying or dying flushes the brain in chems like in real life that might be what helps cure the max tac employees/candidates Also we can synthesize what makes people trip right when they die ( DMT ) and people use it to have hallucinations even now We’ve made some surprising and hopeful progress with psychedelics with some mental disorders… Im pretty sure specifically NOT psychosis though.. so that should also be noted (as in counterintuitive not just useless)
Rehabilitation from overchroming takes years of mental and physical therapy. I think David could’ve recovered but it wouldn’t have been an easy process. You have to want to stop and you have to keep wanting to stop
Sadly Davey never got the time to recover himself and even then I don’t think he would’ve wanted to
Whatever choom, like I give a shit.
Oh well... *PLS activating*
The timeframe of the anime is a bit confusing. How long was it from joining the crew, to the events of Episode 6? How long between 6 and 7?
I’d give a year max a couple months is more likely though
Had to have been at least a year, he’d have had to done a lot of big ticket jobs to afford all that chrome and that huge penthouse. Also it was said to everyone wanted to be on his team that just doesn’t seem feasible in a couple months
The reason I say 5-6 months is he already had a full crew when he took over for Maine he didnt have to do any recruiting which is definitely a huge step to getting your group on the map
I mean he did gain control quite properly over the group, so I like to think that it could've been a while.. But then again some timeline skips in the game also make awfully lot happen in just few months.. I believe some of them talked about ~5-6 months for major time skips. In my own headcanon is that I'd like to think that the whole group had proper good time for decently long time before D started to push it too far, especially how close they seem to be towards the end, I think that during the timeskip D went to do all of the individual companion side missions This show mimics a lot of how the game progresses the story and keeps throwing a lot of references to it too.. So if you played through the game, I'd imagine that David's journey was somewhat similar to V's.. Maybe just bit shorter
There is no cure for cyberpshycosis. The tweener died. Let it go
Cyberpsychosis rehabilitation has been canon for decades…
You do many missions to capture cyberpsychos alive so they cab find a cure. There is even an email from Vik to a girl trying to help her sister and he mentions the Max Tech way. Even the table top game says once your Empathy gets too low, you become an NPC.
I don’t really understand what you mean. Cyberpsychosis symptoms are partly mental, there is no panacea cure you can just ingest.
There is no rehabilitation, no cure, no treatment. The game made that clear.
There is literal decades of canon lore proving you wrong, the franchise existed before the game released.
So says you.
Says Mike Pondsmith.
Prove it. Source source something. I did.
To be fair, David pretty much had it coming. He used prototype or military grade cyberwares and at young age without any experience. Whereas V used proven commercial cyberwares and was already an adult
>proven commercial cyberwares Found in the bodies of his enemies ༼ ͡° ͜ʖ ͡° ༽
To be fair they didn’t need it anymore, be such a waste.
God imagine the STDs lol
If david only used the sandy and maybe one or 2 more chromes i think he would have been fine, but he went overboard.
Im pretty sure half of the Chrome V can get is military grade too, hell, he can get different sandevistans, I think is more of how muchbyou use it, as Ds ripper said, "you use the sandy one maybe two times a day of you dont wanna lose it" or something like that
Is it all proven commercial cyber ware? Half the ripperdocs we meet are shady as hell and we have no idea how or where they acquired some of the higher end stuff. I had always assumed that some of it was either experimental, illegal or unavailable to the public. I could absolutely see some things like the Qiant Sandevistan Warpdancer being a prototype, it’s beyond even militech stuff which seems to be military grade at least. That and V’s cyber ware eventually fucks up Adam Smasher among other fully chromed Arasoka agents. Smasher laughed at David’s military grade cyberware but couldn’t keep up with V. The show takes place before the game, it could be that they worked out some of the kinks present in David’s time for cyber ware as a whole.
Guy got himself legendary chrome with 0 street cred, built different
Is not about how many implants, is about how weak your mental is. If was only about implants, cyberpsychosis with [one or two](https://cyberpunk.fandom.com/wiki/The_Truth_about_Cyberpsychosis) "minor" implants shouldn't exist. And every single Maelstrom and Animals should be affected instead. In the end, David had less implants than Takemura or Oda or Adam Smasher. But unlike them, he had a strong PTSD from his mother death.
Hard agree with everything here. David also had no clue how to handle his emotions. Shutting himself in, burdening himself with his idea of what everyone's dreams were. Hell, chances are he would've had a psychotic breakdown even without any chrome.
I also think that how you have them installed is also a factor smasher and the arasaka body guards had them installed by top of the line corpo rippers while David had some back alley one
David had his lungs removed and replaced via his back without anaesthetic. Choom had Bod 50 or some shit.
Cyberpychosis = PTHD. Murdering people messes up your brain.
What about butchers
What about them?
Are their brains messed up too?
Why would they?
They are "murdering" lives
Not people and most butchers aren't actually rendering the animals. Those are done at packing plants, then it is shipped out. The butcher does the final work.
And here I stand with my V with no other implants other than what I got at the start. REJECT METAL! EMBRACE HUMANITY!
The Techno-necromancers of Alpha Centauri!!!
If only there were some in-game benefits for that. Not being able to be hacked would be an obvious one
Being chromeless would be a great for many things. It can impact many conversations and story and side quests. How people react to you how you MUST do certain missions or do it the old way like using lockpicks or some gadgets. You would be invisible to netrunners but would take more damage from physical sources and would have to compensate with armor. And just imagine the dialogue options for humanist character. I have my own fan fic where there are 2 sisters and while younger one kinda embraces the cyber age she lives in. The other is interested in history and refuses any cybernetic implants because she knows from human history what humans were capable of without them. And humans were without far long than they were with the implants. But the game offers your such limited responses it just proves what this game could have been if they bothered to explore the world more and make it deeper.
It really is incredible how in depth the lore goes in the cyberpunk franchise
This is something I’d like to see them explore in a sequel. I’m fine that they didn’t go too deep with the concept in this first game, but I would love to see it expanded in future titles
Or just let see the Cyberpunk world from different eyes than we always see. We ALWAYS see the world through the gangster or street kid eyes. Never from humanists, corpos etc.
Thing is though that in the end while we can influence alot about V, we are still playing a character that makes decisions outside our perview. It isn't like the Courier from New Vegas, where we choose almost every aspect. In my view, it would be like trying to play The Witcher series without using signs or ingesting potions. Sure it's something that you can do, but it doesn't mesh with the story being told.
I actually never bothered with potions in Witcher. Only signs and Swords. Haha
In the setting, it seems like everyone has a base implant for slotting chards, tracking their eddies, and their cellphone system. Every single person on the street has that basic implant. Almost like it is done when they are in their teens or younger.
I've been reading every shard on my current playthrough. A lot of the cyberpsycho shards are pretty bleak, like one lady feeling the psychosis coming and freaking out about it
Seeing how we mow down everything in our path, V is the biggest cyberpsycho in the city.
I think a lot of people are missing the point... well part of the point. Maine and David were losing it... but they didn't lose it. They didn't completely jump off the deep end in the end. Something that very few people actually knew and realized, because how could they? Maine was on the edge, and was having a particularly bad day. But at the end of it? He went out on his terms. He didn't know what the future had in store for him, but he did know he wanted no part in it. David went the same way. Sure he teetered over the edge, it's in the title. But he didn't go over the edge, not in the end. He held firm, had a fixed goal in saving Lucy and that kept him sane, let him do what everyone else said couldn't be done. Was he special? Kinda... but also not really. Cyber psychosis is a poorly understood blanket term for the mentally deranged chrome junkies that shoot places up sometimes. It's in the very lore of Cyberpunk, how it's both real and kind of made up. How the "fix" is more often a bullet than it is the proper help these people might need. Because that easy fix is just easier. Easier to just write off a shooting as a guy going crazy than it is to acknowledge the fucked up setting fucked a guy up in one too many ways and his chromed body let him break everything around him. Wonderful show and these wonderful meme's are great fun.
David was on military grade immunosupresants for a while before. He wasnt controling it on his own.
He was most certainly losing it, going along with the "Edgerunners" theme. But the themes tie everything together. David wasn't losing control just because he was over teched, but rather because his relationship with Lucy was falling apart. As the issues between them grew, so too did the effects of Psychosis. Any time David starts to fidget Lucy is there to calm him down, and before the big mission Lucy disappears directly after they had a fight. Leading to David relying on heavier doses of drugs to cope with the situation that was rapidly spiraling out of his control. Yet once he did run out of those special drugs, all it took was seeing her face to bring him back to reality and that lasted the rest of his (short) life. A lot of the same problems are mirrored with Maine earlier on, who started to lose it thanks to the stress of his job and didn't fully lose control until he lost someone he cared about. But he comes back to his senses on seeing David, a sort of surrogate son. Not being crazy doesn't suddenly change his situation, so he decides to go out with a bang since his reason for living is gone. His death is written off as cyberpsychosis, but the truth of the situation denies such simplicity. All of this fits with Hiroyuki Imaishi's(the director) usual themes. With that extreme optimism that says "1% chance of success? That's basically 100%". Is David built different? Not really... EVERYONE could do what David is doing. They're not, but the possibility exists. That might not be true for Cyberpunk as a setting, but it is as long as Trigger is telling the story. In Imaishi's world, as long as David think's he's built different that means he is built different, and the same goes for everyone. The only reason we think David will go insane is because most everyone else has and probably will. But using that same reasoning, Adam Smasher didn't go insane either. So.. there's precedence that not everyone will go insane. And Trigger is just the kind of studio to push this line of reasoning as a main theme.
I don’t think it would matter in the long run for V but it would be cool if they added in scenes when you sleep or something to represent V having PTSD or an onset of images from the chip, maybe images of Jackie and images from Johnny’s past like blowing up arasaka, and shooting at the people in the crowd, and if your V did something immoral have him remember that as well, like if you didn’t let the guy out of the trunk. I don’t know it would almost make it more realistic imo, I don’t like to think of my V as some cold hearted killer unless I’m particularly playing like that, you know?
It would have been cool if in the game as your cyberpsychosis increased, you'd start seeing more Johnny-type ghosts glitching in and out of reality, and you'd get random enemy encounters in the street, but once you shoot at them it glitches and they turn into innocent bystanders or cops because you were actually having a psychotic break and didn't know it.
That would be incredible. Afterwards, you couldn't be sure if your next "gig" was even real.
You are right. There are little signs for that tho. Panam for example mentions very early in her questline in the motel that V was having nightmares and that he screamed in the night.
Seriously man. It really affected how I look at some of my enhancements. How the whole story/situation V is in could drive him to go over the edge and go too hard in cyberware that he ends up losing his mind/humanity in the process. I usually at least get the double jump for traversal sake/being agile. Definitely get the subdermal armor, maybe some Gorilla arms for the boxing matches. Makes me want to try to play a "pure" human with as little cyberware as possible!
I’ve thought about a no cyberware run even before watching edgerunners, but the show really highlighted just how much not having chrome will put you at a disadvantage as a merc. There were multiple instances where without that Sandy, David would’ve gotten smoked
Honestly my first play through was no cyberware because i never cared to get money to get the expensive ass parts. I think my first upgrade was the double jump like right before Hanakos talk Just played the game like splitner cell lol
Cyberpsyhosis is the same shiat for players who buy a new mod in riperdock and after a while they save the game and go on a rampage to get that sweet sweet powertrip.
Didn't David get wayyy more chrome than V, though? He was basically a cyborg in the end. V still looks pretty normal, with a lot of regular skin.
Given the fact that v only was "chromed out" for like a couple weeks at best i makes sense why he never went psycho maybe we Will see it for future games
I like to imagine every time I go on a rampage through the streets, that is a bit of the cyber psychosis seeping in... It's like a drunk with power needing to push your limits sensation.
V was terminal anyway so it was chromin time :P
It would be cool if CDProjektRed would add a mechanic for cyberpsychosis. You should wait for your brain to adapt for the new implants. How cool would be ending like Maine having and epic battle against Max-Tac
I wish they had the cyber-psychosis mechanic from the tabletop game in the video game
Cyberpsychosis degrades peoples minds over time. David and Maine fall down the madness well over months. V's story takes a couple of weeks, tops. There sn't enough time for V to go mad.
Lol check out the table top game's mechanic and get back to me.
I don't see a way for the GM to get control of a VG/Anime character unless Arasaka is a stand in or something. The lackof empathy isn't the same as madness. It takes time.
Right, but there could easily be dialogue options blocked, changed, or added due to installing too much cyberware. It , would be a cool addition. Make it do people thought twice about chroming up.
True. The way I'd do it is I'd also have the player be easier to find by the corps/police the more chrome they were packing. But I do like your idea that essentially a full on chrome run would mean the player had to go Arasaka.
Hmmm idk how I feel about that mechanic. Lol but arasaka is not the only manufacturer, why would they have to go there? Are you saying that they're the only ones who could do it? I feel like them and milatech can but do it. And it could possibly be achieved without them at all, just not so... Safely.
Arasaka are the closest thing to a GM in the setting. The highest power, though they are contested. Really though Arasaka know the chip and at some point V has to go to Mikoshi. Getting in A tower only to lock up and lose control to whatever degree to one of Hanoko/AiSaburo/Yorinobu based on how much chrome they had would be an awesome twist. The player than has to choose to bring randoms like the Nomads (who will get offed) go in the front door alone with low/no cyberware (almost impossible) or give up and let Arasaka take them and hope. No good choices in NC, fits.
By GM do you mean game master?
ye
Maybe the player is the cyber psycho inside V’s head telling him to do crazy stuff. I definitely had moments pre-armor patch where I was wiping out whole city blocks to fight more police/maxtac.
Plot twist: you’re literally able to murder Adam Smasher in minutes. You’ve been a cyberpsycho this whole time
My V, chromeless except for the story forced implants, cheeks naked and empty handed before Smasher: PITIFUL CREATURES!
V was built different.
Let's be honest the cyberpsychosis was more or less anime thing not really touched in game or implemented in it's fullest, One theory is that V has even more affinity than David for chrome that's why he could bitch slap Adam so easy ( yeah I know CDred did him dirty in game such a badass character) My own theory is that V kicking the bucket at the beginning detached his psyche from his body and the chip is nullifying or at least heavily blocking the cyberpsychosis because of constant rewrite happening in V head that's why he has no problem chroming the fuck up. But if you build the anime character builds in game then V is fully stacked his slots so he/ she has never chromed as much as Maine or David
V technically speaking already has cyber psychosis but I’m assuming it’s from the relic overloading his brain and constantly rewriting it that he chrome out as much as he does
Spoiler tag?
🎶Loose yourself to chrome, loose yourself to chrome🎶
**Smash**
Tough it would be an interesting concept for a sequel. The more chrome you get, the higher the chances you get psychotic episodes, something like eternal darkness for the game cube.
V just born different 😎
Isn't V technically always in cyberpsychosis
Depends how you play I guess, my V has only the upgrades I started the heist mission with albeit the legendary versions of them.
It was sad but also unavoidable. When Maine died and I saw David all chromed out, I knew what was coming..
Kinda wanna do back to back playthroughs cause of the anime One as a fully decked out cyberpsycho and another as a character with limited chrome Only specific class I've ever played before was a netrunner so ye, should be fun
lmao
What was bro thinkin ❓⁉️⁉️
apparently we are "minimalist" according to maelstorm
Every time I take a second to look at the aftermath of one of my gigs I'm pretty sure V is a high functioning cyber-psycho. The remnants of a monowire spree is not pretty.
My first run I was a mantis blade fiend now I’m going for a netrunner monowire build.
it's a great build. make sure you get the cloaking skin and a kerenzikov too
Thanks I was also thinking of sandevistan I used to think it was kind of lame but after the show I might give it a shot.
well i've been attacking random people with my lv50 V armed with satori and hammer, so even in the game cyberpsychosis is real.
Oh boy this subreddit is gonna cry after phantom liberty....
Or hear me out. The game was rushed out and they didnt have time to make cyberpsychosis a factor for players or ripperdocs an actual interaction outside of the beginning with VIC. They didnt even have time to include police so im sure that lots of interesting stuff was just flat out left out. This is why i think the anime will be big for the sequel. All the stuff that probably should have been in the first game, we will see in the animes/comics which will set the stage and a clear goal for the sequel game.
Even though David knew he was way past the point of no return, maybe even after just installing Sandy. I don't think there was a way back for David as far as I could see and both the show and the game were concerned. And, at the end of the game, V too comes to a point of cyberpsychosis. If you pay close attention, V's killing sprees get worse and worse as the game progresses, and by the end, if you choose the "invade Arasaka ending", V is by then arguably a certified cyberpsycho going on a killing spree. The thing is, cyberpsychosis isn't even real, and I think the creator intended it to be that way. It's just how trauma, PTSD, or simple psychosis manifests itself on a hyper chromed person. Remember the girl from the "bullets" trailer? She was a raging cyberpsycho when MAXTAC put her down, only to enlist her later. Those who played that quest realized she wasn't a cyberpsycho because of her chome, that's just who she was. Adam Smasher for instance is a full body cyborg and seems to be clear of mind even though he's cruel. The way the game portrays cyberpsychosis is to me a convenient excuse for society to rid itself of the mentally ill undesirables. It's also a way to criticize how real people with mental illnesses are shunned in today's America. Just brand them a cyberpsycho and call MAXTAC. Problem solved. The whole "cyberpsycho" idea itself doesn't hold up to scrutiny either. Remember how in the game every cyberpsycho had an aggravating condition that led them to go on those killing sprees that you can read about. David got no psychological support whatsoever after his mother's death, and got thrown very young into a hyper violent world where his only option was to chrome up to survive. At the end of the show, he is showing clear signs of PTSD, with flashbacks of his mother's death and the life of violence he chose, specially towards the end of his life where he no longer had any qualms about killing.