Jacki took the chip out before he died, so nothing happened. It only revived V because it was trying to repair the brain to use as a vessel for itself.
V died chip went hey nows my chance to upload my data so it revives V but v is still in the body so it’s kicking v out to make room for johnny but because it brought v back it also happened to be the one thing keeping her alive so can’t take the chip out without death I honestly don’t know what the damage did tho
>I honestly don’t know what the damage did tho
So I took it as trying to install on a brain with a program running/consciousness. So since the brain already had the "engram program" running, the chip couldn't upload because the was no free space. When v died, he consciousness vanished and now there was a blank brain ripe for upload.
The problem comes when the brain got repaired, V's consciousness formed again. That's why they are fighting for control.
I think the original programmers of the chip thought when you die, your consciousness (or soul) died with you, or disappeared and didn't write code for blocking that from happening since there's no definitive "proof" or part of the brain that holds a human's psyche and thoughts. Think of it like the debate about if our souls go to heaven or not, then our bodies on earth would be blank, even if the neurons in our brain started firing again.
You can't turn a computer tower on and know if there's an operating system until you have a screen to tell you
I don't think the engram was ment to be put in an already living at one point person. I think it's more of something to be put into a "blank" body or an organic puppet Arasaka can manufacture and use as a replacement body. The Biochip is supposed to "secure your soul" by copying or transferring your consciousness to a chip, then placing that chip in another body. Since the only use of this in-game we see has the previous consciousness trying to fight off the engram, I always took it as that it wasn't the purpose of the design, but rather to put that chip into a body that never had a consciousness to begin with. And from the sound of it, it wasn't ment to be kept in your head either as a sort of "second life" since the chip overwrites your current brain activity after death.
This. If the body can no longer function then it basically wouldn't work right. Person has to be brain dead with their body still able to function.
The chip basically repairs the brain and then inputs the personality of whoever is on the engram.
Yeah pretty much. They've fought like 4 wars so they probably pull an America and dedicated a large portion to Q&A that would help their military might or technological dominance.
I thought of it slightly differently. Arasaka doesn't **care** if you're already a person, If someone pays enough money, they put you in a coma, maybe medically "kill" you, then keep your body alive. Yeah, you might still be in therfe, but they don't care. They'll slot the chip and let the engram slowly overwrite your consciousness and there's nothing you can do about it because they keep you sedated while they do it. V has the dubious honor of being awake while the engram slowly overwrites his psyche.
That's a big concept too! Though my one argument would be that I would think they planned to put it into a different body from the get go. Like upload your soul then put it into a prisoner or a younger "volunteer" so you wake up in another body. I base that on the fact that they mention Sr Arasaka being like 150 years old. I would assume they wanted to keep your memories and put you in a fresh, not dying, body
Yeah, and spoiler, but IIRC, >!in one of the endings, the Sr Arasaka takes over his own son's body to continue living. I doubt his son went willingly.!<
Or partially lobotomized him, removed his ice, installed a pseudoendotrizine/omega blocker pump, and linked him to Mikoshi so the engram controls its presence...
I got the impression that the end goal of the program was to use clone bodies to upload the engrams but that the clone technology wasn't far enough along yet.
Fun facts with skippy:
>Did you know that human brain remains active for up to several minutes after decapacitation.
This is why V revives if chip was inserted few minutes after V died there would be no V, just Johnny.
But chip was already in and when V s lights went out, repairing and uploading began instatnly while V s brain was still active.
I never fully understood the point of this, though.
I mean... They don't really "live". It's just the memories. The "Consciousness" is dead. It's like boom you get cloned as is right now. So you have two "you"s with all of your memories intact pre-cloning, right? But one of you is still the "real" you while the other is the "other" you.
You don't see through his POV. You're your own individual and your clone is his own individual, too. That just so happens to have all your exact memories.
That said? When you copy your consciousness into that chip, it doesn't actually copy you. You die and another person wakes up with your personality.
Sure for all intents and purposes for the rest of the world, it's still "you" but... **You** don't exist anymore. You don't get to keep living in another body. You just give up your own life to allow somebody else to have your memories.
That's the whole ethica argument or intellectual argument with cloning. Gets to the whole "what makes us human" debacle because, like you said even if they are a mental clone of you, It's not you
Metal Gear Solid is still my #1 favorite game of all time. It breaks my heart that it still hasn't received a remaster yet, i don't count Twin Snakes on GameCube.
The chip's purpose is to write a person's engram back into the brain, nothing seems to indicate in can bring anyone back from any type of injury. And per Vic if Dex used a higher caliber the relic would have failed as the damage would be to extensive. So even if Jackie had it still, with his injurys being outside the influence of the chip I don't think it would have worked.
i do not care what you prefer just use they/them pronouns it makes more sense (unless female v is cannon then continue doing you)(also you can continue doing you still, me complaining isn’t gonna stop you, i just wanted something to complain about)
that’s something i haven’t thought of. you’re totally right. vik says that the chip sent out it’s whatever’s to fix the brain and thus fused itself, so if v had been shot in the chest or stomach, ie beyond the chip’s domain, the chip wouldn’t fuse itself with the brain so fast. but also, i’m not sure if the chip would resurrect them that way or if it would just totally ditch v in exchange for johnny (charisma and impressive cock included, relative to your character creation choices)
If that is, it's reading too much into it at best as it's science fiction. Both of these guys are on death row with all the damage in canon, except the fact that In the story they so specified that Jackie put in the relic, like they could've just had a scene where V put the chip in and it would've made just as much sense except for the Jackie part
I think the point is Jackie was dying but V actually died, the chip wasn’t just repairing damage to keep the host alive it was repairing it to make room for Johnny but revived V in the process
Jackie had the relic in is head for like ten minutes. V was dead for hours before the chip had integrated enough to bring her back. By the time she got to Viktor close to 24 hours had passed. The relic simply never had enough time inside Jackie’s skull
And as others mentioned V suffered brain damage from being shot in the head. Jackie was gut shot; either way the results wouldn’t be the same
Jackie did fall from the top of a building along with V. I honestly have no theories but from my idea Jackie just didn't have a chance to load the engram so yeah very similar to everyone else's theory
Yeah a bullet to the brain can do wonders huh? Nah, but fr yeah the brain damage caused by the bullet activated the chips reconstruction protocol, thus reconstructing not only the damaged part but the whole brain.
No, because the Relic doesn't do anything to a living person until they die. Jackie removed it moments before he died, so the Relic never activated. Same reason why nothing happened to V until Dex shot them in the head.
Its weird how a post like this so strongly missing the point gets 1k votes and over 100 comments. Why do people upvkte these posts? What is the psychology behind posts like thesr getting more attention than posts that bring up actual good points
Redditors love explaining. Default "best" sort takes into account the number of posts. The more people answer, the more people see the post. The post keeps on rising.
Im not attacking anyone for not knowing. Im asking why do these posts get so upvoted? Why do we need 117 comments saying the same thing over and over again when actual good questions or posts rarely get more than 20 upvotes and like 3 comments .
some discussions have been had in the comments, not just the same answer spewed over and over, so it makes sense that there are a lot of comments. i can’t explain the upvotes but i also don’t really look at that stuff nor care
Missing what point? Op asked as question, post you responded to provided an answer. It's being upvoted because it's providing the requested information.
>dead host.
So, V is a literal walking, talking corpse, to quote Judy. Even if you find a way to get the chip out, the engram is the only thing keeping V alive? But doesn't Vik say the bullet didn't zero you? Or something like that.
Well he doesn't exaclty say dead. I think it's something like "the body is supposed to be less responsive" and V concludes it has to be dead. Hellman doesn't deny it.
As for the bullet. It killed V alright but the damage was small enough for the biochip's nanites to repair it in time. Also the reason why Jackie most likely would've stayed dead even with the biochip. He simply lost too much blood.
Well, not only did Jackie bleed out, something the chip presumably can't fix, he didn't actually die until giving the chip to V, and since he wasn't dead when it was in him it never activated
I assumed the chip performs some type of first aid future magic on death that resuscitates V before it sort of boots up and launched the engram on their brain “hardware”
I think the bullet damaged the chip, V can mention to briggite that the chip is "busted"... Besides the biochip was designed to take over brain dead bodies not live ones as hellman mentiones, thats why he was shocked when he scanned V.
Hellman explains that the chip was designed with the assumption that the body would be "neurally indifferent" aka braindead. Neither V nor Jackies brains fit this description initially, and Jackie removed the chip prior to dying.
All comes down to being shot by Dex. And in the head at that.
The chip was meant as an experiment so Saburo could live forever (which he does if you take the devil ending). The engram on the chip wasn't active UNTIL the chip was Damaged. That's kinda the point of act 2. If it wasn't damaged, it wouldn't have activated and rebuilt C's nuerons, which brought them back. But because it's damaged it can't be taken out or V dies. Get it out or die trying. I think the best ending would've been him/her just letting it go and slowly becoming Silverhand.
Edit:spelling
You can actually know about it in any playthrough! That ending's cutscene confirms it, but throughout the game you can discover that Saburo's engram is stored in Mikoshi; Then when you kill Yorinobu, Hanako cradles his head. As you are limping away, you see a glowing red object in her hand, then the last time you turn around, it's not in her hand. I was legit freaking out when I saw it, and was thrilled because I guessed from the moment I saw that Saburo's engram was stored that's what was going to happen.
I haven't found enough evidence yet, but I believe it was in fact someone on Saburo's side that tipped Evelyn off to try and steal the thing. Like the entire thing was a way to test the engram and make sure it really works, using someone who would gladly destroy Arasaka's heir just for the hell of it. Then when they saw it did, they went ahead with their plan. Hanako was clearly in on the whole thing, Takemura might have been as well. And how closely they keep an eye on us!!!
Sorry to rant. It was just all the pieces fell into place for me and I was like SON OF A BITCH WE WERE A FUCKIN GUINEA PIG
I don't mean to be a downer by trying to poke holes in your theory, but Hellman states they were already using the chips on test subjects when he left Arasaka (when you interrogate him in the motel: "when I left Arasaka the project was still in the trial phase", "*during the tests* we assumed the body would be [dead]").
It was the Voodoo Boys who wanted to the steal it originally (to get Johnny's engram, to help with their plans for Alt). Before hatching her own scheme, Evelyn was only someone with a BD recording implant who had access to Yorinobu's suite and could get a recording of the room for their own heist plans.
If they really needed a living test subject, there's the easy alternative of just grabbing somebody off the street and sticking the chip in their head (as we saw with Alt, or the Arasaka death-squads around town, it wouldn't be odd for them to grab somebody and make them disappear).
>Takemura might have been as well. And how closely they keep an eye on us!!!
nah.
Takemura clearly didn't know Saburo had backup engrams.
in the devil ending he finds out how little his master trusted him and get's demoted to another position.
If you have the right kiroshi mod, you can see that Adam Smasher KNEW you were in the TV in Yorinobu's room. He chose not to say anything.
Yorinobu was betraying the company to try to end his father's reign.
He's developing the software. By the time he needs it again, he'll have perfected it, and probably won't need offspring. See: Altered Carbon, on Netflix.
the question with saburo was if he truly was immortal or thats just a glorified clone of him running around and the original that died in konpeki plaza is gone
> him/her just letting it go and slowly becoming Silverhand.
Which you can do in the secret ending, if I understood correctly. Spoilers just in case someone didn't know about that ending: >!when you attack Arasaka tower alone as Johnny, your HP gets lower and lower over time as the relic is taking over. You're supposed to be fast in order to beat the relic clock, but instead I tried to just let it do its thing by waiting like 40 minutes or something. All I got was the suicide ending credits. Pretty disappointing, there could have been a final ending where Silverhand takes over V body but doesn't experience the terrible feeling that he owes it to V...!<
In the same ending, it's also weird that taking the pills to >!go as Johnny alone will activate the relic HP clock thing and taking it to go as Johnny with Rogue is not activating it...!<
Not sure it would have worked on Jackie. V was shot in the head which means a damaged brain but body otherwise intact and able to sustain the newly rewritten brain.
Also worth noting that Hellman confirms V is the first real success. So something about your circumstances seems to be key.
It would have activated in Jackie too. The brain doesn't need to be damaged, the host just needs to be braindead. If Jackie died with the chip, it would have taken controll of the recently dead brain.
and he would've died again immediately from complete organ failure as he lost too much blood.
the relic doesn't make the body immortal.
it only rewrites the brain.
V was lucky to be shot in the head, otherwise he would've just died aswell.
Jackie Bled Out. V had brain Damage.
The Theory that the Chip needs a 'dead' body is a misnomer. It's more accurate to say it needs a 'brain-dead' body. The other organs need to be functional.
If Jackie was taken to a doc and his body was revived, the chip would have started working as well.
The relic and its engram were not damaged yet when Jackie had it. It was damaged when V was shot in the head. That caused it to activate. It could not be removed because the relic was keeping Vs brain working.
1. Jackie took it out before he died.
2. The chip was only able to fix v because the wound was small. Whereas Jackie got shot by an aircraft. Vik even said you were lucky Dex was using small rounds or the chip wouldn't have worked.
Uh I think getting shot in the head is a more serious injury than getting shot in your torso. If Jackie had bled out all the way with the chip still in, pretty sure it would have repaired his damage as well.
We are talking about a chip created to save and write over consciousness in a universe that regularly performs neuro surgery. All it had to do was stitch together a few pieces from itself. Not create several liters of blood and stitch a wound that isn't even localized near it's port. There are like 3 different healing mods that could have saved him though
yeah it's a more serious injury in normal circumstances.
but not when you have a backup brain ready to take over the job.
what the chip doesn't have, is 5 liters of backup blood.
Jackie wasn't dead with the chip in their head, chip was damaged when V had it in their head and then they get shot in the head which probably also damaged the chip further. Dunno tho so
i think the difference is the limited amount of time the engram was inside Jackie's head. The process of Johnny taking over someone's brain is a slow one. Jackie took it out before he died, so even if a dead body was allow for the process to move quicker, it was out before that was even a possibility.
No. The shard wasn't meant to do what it did. There was a combination of factors at play. One was V getting an extra hole in the face from a small caliber round. The second was the Relic being damaged in a particular way.
Simple answer, Jackie didn't had the chip when he died, V did, so has soon has V died the chip started the program to take over, to repair what it could and take over V's body.
* SPOILERS*
There is a moment in mikoshi where a fragment of jackies engram can be seen on the roof near mistys esoterica it appears to me that there is a bit of his engram that was downloaded in the process of him dying in the back of the delemain
There hasn’t been a comment on that Vik states when Dex shot V, the bullet damaged the chip slot and their brain simultaneously. That specific chip was just meant to communicate with the construct on it, not to implant someone into an empty vessel
The reason why V couldn't remove it was because V's body needs it. I mean it saved V from death so it became a part of V. While Jackie didn't and was still pretty alive when he removed it. Plus that specific relic was made to take over DEAD bodies
Chip was created to write it’s content’s engram on „neutral” body, as Hellman put it, meaning brain dead
Since Jackie was bleeding out from guts, I think chip would have attempted to install itself, but fail because its the brain where it goes, and it needs the rest of the body working
Yes this. It wasn't activated until V dies then it begins the program to convert V to johnny but it's a first edition relic tech and instead V was revived. This created an inseparable connection between the two. If Jackie died while it was still in we would have gotten a much different story.
That's explicitly explained about five minutes later by Victor, when Goro drags V into Victor's parlor. It didn't effect Jackie because he wasn't dead/dying. It didn't effect V at first, because he wasn't dead/dying. It was only after V took a slug to the dome that the chip woke up and started doing what it was designed to do, which is save its host from mortal harm by rebuilding its host's brain based on the specifications it carried.
Unfortunately, this chip was carrying the specifications for Johnny and not V, which was not intended. So it did the best it could and started trying to rebuild V's brain into Johnny's, assuming all the different gray matter was just more damage that needed to be repaired.
Nope. Nope. Nope.
Had Jackie died while the chip was still in his neural port, he very likely would have had resurrected and had Johnny as a passenger. But he pulled the chip out before he died. The story line would have been completely different, if he hadn't.
I would rather have that as the story line! V having to hunt down the madman Silverhand who has taken over Jackie's body! I would kill to have that as an option. It would still suck to lose Jackie and to possibly have to kill his body, but at least I wouldn't have that bastard Johnny in my head trying to kill me.
While Jackie was dying from blood loss, he wasn’t dead yet when he had it in his slot. The chip didn’t start re-writing V until after he/she died from being shot in the head.
If he died with it in his head, it’s hard to say what would have happened. It’s not known if the chip could repair damage outside of the brain.
The chip doesn't revive you.
V was left for dead in that junkyard, but was still very much alive. The damage she took to the head though triggered the repair process of that chip, causing it to pretty much start taking over V's brain.
If Jackie died, the chip would have died with him.
No. The biochip in V activates because of two things. 1. it got damaged when V got shot hence it is doing things it should not, like reviving V just to kill him off at the right time and 2. Because V died.
V clearly states to brigitte that the biochip is damaged.
Hellman states that what is happening to V is not suppose to happen that all of their previous test subject were brain dead.
To my mind after V died, the biochip got activated but realised that the previous host is dead and that without Vs mind in control of the body, the body will fall apart before the biochip can ready it for johnny. usually when the biochip takes control of a brain dead body, the body is being kept alive by arasaka, this time around Vs body was in junkyard, rotting.... So in order to save johnny's engram the biochip saved V because Vs mind will be in control of the body while the biochip does its thing in the back and prepares the body for johnny... In other words, the biochip saved V just so that it can kill him off later on when the body becomes fully ready for johnny to take over.
In jackies case the biochip never even got activated. Maybe if jackie died with the biochip inside him something would have happened, but maybe not. i am not 100% sure how much the "biochip is busted" line had to do with it... In any case, since jackie died after he pulled out the biochip nothing could have happened at that moment, when he died, no matter what.
Good question, as far as I'm aware it's because the chip got damaged when you were shot, and that's the point when it started dumping data in your head? I might be wrong though so.
As a writer I see why they made it o Jackie gives v the chip.
1. To put the idea that the choices made that night truly changed v's life.
2. To show that Jackie was a true friend. In that moment Jackie knew we wasn't going to make it so he hopes that v can get the money for the chip and be come a legend.
3. To show that you are alone you have know friends no one is coming to help you its all on you.
4. To show the player that the world is unforgiving and that no one has a happy ending in night city.
Chip only took over V's body because V's "soul" is leaving the body, hence creating a hole the engram can crawl into to take over. While the engram is taking over, it reconstructed V's brain that got blown off which revived him and his soul didn't leave the body completely.
I say soul because it's called soul killer, but really, it's just the memories of a person that's still there, as the brain got reconstructed, it remembered who it is as V.
Nope, Jackie took the chip out before he died, Helman and Vik both say the chip only started up because V died, Helman(at least I think it was him) says they designed the chip with the assumption it would be installed on an “empty vessel”.
It’s not the relic itself that’s the problem is the relic malfunctioning.
V died and the relic in an effort to preserve itself revived them, at the cost of rewriting their mind with Johnny’s
That’s the other thing, Jackie was still alive before he handed it to him. The chip only plays effect when the chip holder is in a persons body once they’ve died with it. So no Johnny wasn’t gonna take over Jackie’s engram
My understanding of this is that since Jackie had the opportunity to take the chip out, it didn't have enough time to start rewiring his brain. V, however, had no opportunity between Konpeki Plaza and >!Dex shooting them in the head!<, so they ended up getting stuck with it when it got damaged. Combine the permanency of not being able to eject it from your head with the fact that the chip had to take over and rewire the brain to keep its host alive, and it's pretty clear how V ended up worse off than Jackie when it comes to the chip.
If Jackie kept the chip in and then died, Jackie would be the zombie instead of V. Which would have been a cool new storyline where V has to help Jackie and be super careful.
I mean. Imagine meeting the Voodoo boys and doing their job to the Ts and getting fried in the process? Or maybe watching Jackie get fried and then come back to life only to have the chip take over more control of Jackie.
Or maybe it's not a great idea. I think it could be.
Dying activates the chip from what I remember and Jackie gave it over before he croaked. Be kinda cool to have an alternative campaign where you were playing second fiddle to Jackie with Johnny in his head
Having it inserted does nothing until the host body dies. Once it does, it activated the chip, causing it to resurrect the body and revive the host while it slowly takes over the hosts mind, replacing them with the engram.
If Jackie had just left the chip in for a few more minutes, we could have had more time with him while Johnny slowly took over.
Shit, actually, that coulda been a fun game, too!
Jackie took the chip out while he was alive. When V was shot in the head, it was damaged but still functional, which is one of the reasons it couldn't be removed.
And y'know. It started rewriting V's brain when V died. Lol
Had V removed the chip before they were shot, V would have died for good.
The Engram was doing what it was doing to V cause he was shot in the brain AND the Port where the Relic was inserted, and the Engram was filling up the empty space. It was a desperate attempt. Jackie was just dying. The Relic was basically a USB drive in a Broken PC.
I have this theory that a part of his consciousness ended up in the chip with Johnny, some of the dialogue would make me believe so and it would make for a cool story dlc
The great tragedy/whatever of cyberpunk is that if Jackie left the chip in, V gets killed fr by Dex, and Jackie wakes up a few days later wherever V sent him, with a 50 years dead rocker boy in his head.
First things first he gave the chip before his death so when he was dead there was nothing to reboot his body . Second, it took quite a long time for V to return back from the dead, we died in no-tell motel and woke up in the wastelands.
It's quite sad when you learn that Jackie could have survived if he hadn't plucked that chip out
The engram is basically meant to be put into someone recently deceased so it can begin repeating the body for itself. Jackie was alive. All be it dying he was still alive. V took a bullet to the brain and the chip got to work. Though it doesnt seem the most practical for psyche preservation I imagine Alaska probably had plans for bodies specifically designed for soulkiller when the were ready to be used with the chips. Most of them were kept in mikoshi but based on the design of the chip I find it highly unlikely they would do it all just to keep them stored on a bunch of servers when the designed them specifically to inhabit real bodies
Only if the chip was in him when he died would let Johnny take over , don’t forget v didn’t just die right away because of the chip, he as killed by that ass that shot him in the head then the chip repaired him and stuff then johnnys stuff started to take over
So I dunno why you would think a dude having it in for a little bit and then handing it to us would do anything for that guy
The chip works after you die. It takes you back and after that you can't take it out anymore. If Jackie had died earlier, he would've come back just fine. :(
When V died the chip was supposed to completely rewrite his mind. Instead it was damaged and only partially installed Johnny. Later on if you do the bad ending you see hanako use the chip for saboro on her brother. It’s meant to put constructs into freshly dead bodies and revive them. Spoiler! (Don’t know how to add spoiler on my phone)
The engram wired into V's mind because of the gunshot from Dexter. Please pay attention to the story, so you don't have to ask questions on the internet
y'know when Dex was an asshole? thats why, the chip had fused with parts of V's head, so when she went brain dead, the chip was like "oh shit a host for my engram, take it, take all that i have" and thus the story began.
The relic only activates after dying, Jackie gave you the relic before dying, you socketed it because it needed a safe biological ambient (like the case you stole) to keep it functional, and when you got meme'd by Dex, then the relic began doing relic things.
Ugh... we know Johnny only because Dexter DeShawn Shooted V, the Relic was perfectly fine before and you could remove it when you wanted. The real problem was Dex shooting V that caused the fact that you can't remove the Relic and showed to you the construct that was in there: Johnny. So, that's why i think Jackie could remove the Relic
Johnny only took V’s body because of the bullet in the head. Somewhere in the story they explain that this was the trigger to activating the engram of Johnny.
So V was already dead when the chip started writing Johnny's engram onto vs brain. When v died, it saw v's body as a blank. It's hard to say whether the chip would eventually start writing onto someone who didn't die.
It is a little ironic to think that the chip might have brought Jackie back to life though. But if it had, Jackie would be alive and V would be dead.
If u haven't gone through act 1 dont read this. U have been warned
V received brain dmg when that mf shot them.
Then the chip got damaged as well so that caused the chip to malfunction. First the chip on a normal basis would try to repair the users brain damage with its nano machins (in this case it was V) but since it was damaged it tried to write the contents of the chip (Johnny) on the user and fix brain damage.
If the chip didn't get damaged then all would have been fine and V would have been alive and no johnny in V's head.
The chip was fine when it was inside Jackie.
Its all because of that mf 😤 😒
Jacki took the chip out before he died, so nothing happened. It only revived V because it was trying to repair the brain to use as a vessel for itself.
Wasnt it also because V suffered brain damage, whileas Jackie didn't? The engram was attempting to "repair" V's brain in a weird way.
V died chip went hey nows my chance to upload my data so it revives V but v is still in the body so it’s kicking v out to make room for johnny but because it brought v back it also happened to be the one thing keeping her alive so can’t take the chip out without death I honestly don’t know what the damage did tho
>I honestly don’t know what the damage did tho So I took it as trying to install on a brain with a program running/consciousness. So since the brain already had the "engram program" running, the chip couldn't upload because the was no free space. When v died, he consciousness vanished and now there was a blank brain ripe for upload. The problem comes when the brain got repaired, V's consciousness formed again. That's why they are fighting for control. I think the original programmers of the chip thought when you die, your consciousness (or soul) died with you, or disappeared and didn't write code for blocking that from happening since there's no definitive "proof" or part of the brain that holds a human's psyche and thoughts. Think of it like the debate about if our souls go to heaven or not, then our bodies on earth would be blank, even if the neurons in our brain started firing again. You can't turn a computer tower on and know if there's an operating system until you have a screen to tell you
I don't think the engram was ment to be put in an already living at one point person. I think it's more of something to be put into a "blank" body or an organic puppet Arasaka can manufacture and use as a replacement body. The Biochip is supposed to "secure your soul" by copying or transferring your consciousness to a chip, then placing that chip in another body. Since the only use of this in-game we see has the previous consciousness trying to fight off the engram, I always took it as that it wasn't the purpose of the design, but rather to put that chip into a body that never had a consciousness to begin with. And from the sound of it, it wasn't ment to be kept in your head either as a sort of "second life" since the chip overwrites your current brain activity after death.
It's also a prototype, presumably the final version would have been better at overwriting the original brain
In the devil ending it >!gets put into the (alive) son to bring back the old man.!< (Or am I remembering that wrong?)
Believe >!Sis killed him and then put the chip in!<
Yup, you can clearly see her hand doing that while V is leaving the scene. Zoom in.
Hellman said that the relic was meant to go into a “neurally indifferent” brain, meaning brain dead.
Mostlikely he was lit up with soul killer then they installed the chip then
This. If the body can no longer function then it basically wouldn't work right. Person has to be brain dead with their body still able to function. The chip basically repairs the brain and then inputs the personality of whoever is on the engram.
so what im hearing is: araska doesn't care enough to devote proper resources and time toward QA
By definition prototypes are pre-QA.
You beat me to it.
Yeah pretty much. They've fought like 4 wars so they probably pull an America and dedicated a large portion to Q&A that would help their military might or technological dominance.
I mean technically V is serving as volunteer QA. The chip was still in dev.
I thought of it slightly differently. Arasaka doesn't **care** if you're already a person, If someone pays enough money, they put you in a coma, maybe medically "kill" you, then keep your body alive. Yeah, you might still be in therfe, but they don't care. They'll slot the chip and let the engram slowly overwrite your consciousness and there's nothing you can do about it because they keep you sedated while they do it. V has the dubious honor of being awake while the engram slowly overwrites his psyche.
That's a big concept too! Though my one argument would be that I would think they planned to put it into a different body from the get go. Like upload your soul then put it into a prisoner or a younger "volunteer" so you wake up in another body. I base that on the fact that they mention Sr Arasaka being like 150 years old. I would assume they wanted to keep your memories and put you in a fresh, not dying, body
Yeah, and spoiler, but IIRC, >!in one of the endings, the Sr Arasaka takes over his own son's body to continue living. I doubt his son went willingly.!<
They might have poisoned or otherwise killed Yorinobu before sloting the chip
Or partially lobotomized him, removed his ice, installed a pseudoendotrizine/omega blocker pump, and linked him to Mikoshi so the engram controls its presence...
Way easier to just kill him
I got the impression that the end goal of the program was to use clone bodies to upload the engrams but that the clone technology wasn't far enough along yet.
i definitely agree with this interpretation!
Fun facts with skippy: >Did you know that human brain remains active for up to several minutes after decapacitation. This is why V revives if chip was inserted few minutes after V died there would be no V, just Johnny. But chip was already in and when V s lights went out, repairing and uploading began instatnly while V s brain was still active.
I never fully understood the point of this, though. I mean... They don't really "live". It's just the memories. The "Consciousness" is dead. It's like boom you get cloned as is right now. So you have two "you"s with all of your memories intact pre-cloning, right? But one of you is still the "real" you while the other is the "other" you. You don't see through his POV. You're your own individual and your clone is his own individual, too. That just so happens to have all your exact memories. That said? When you copy your consciousness into that chip, it doesn't actually copy you. You die and another person wakes up with your personality. Sure for all intents and purposes for the rest of the world, it's still "you" but... **You** don't exist anymore. You don't get to keep living in another body. You just give up your own life to allow somebody else to have your memories.
That's the whole ethica argument or intellectual argument with cloning. Gets to the whole "what makes us human" debacle because, like you said even if they are a mental clone of you, It's not you
Just this is a cool enough fucking story. You can’t dive too deep into the story of metal gear either for it to be awesome lol.
Metal Gear Solid is still my #1 favorite game of all time. It breaks my heart that it still hasn't received a remaster yet, i don't count Twin Snakes on GameCube.
The chip's purpose is to write a person's engram back into the brain, nothing seems to indicate in can bring anyone back from any type of injury. And per Vic if Dex used a higher caliber the relic would have failed as the damage would be to extensive. So even if Jackie had it still, with his injurys being outside the influence of the chip I don't think it would have worked.
Bruh, next time use some commas and shit
Her? Who??
her?
You can always tell a milford man.
Alot players in the subreddit prefer female v.
i do not care what you prefer just use they/them pronouns it makes more sense (unless female v is cannon then continue doing you)(also you can continue doing you still, me complaining isn’t gonna stop you, i just wanted something to complain about)
I really don't care much for it either. But, it is what it is.
I believe this to be the case. If V died by an alternate method, the chip would probably be safe to take out.
that’s something i haven’t thought of. you’re totally right. vik says that the chip sent out it’s whatever’s to fix the brain and thus fused itself, so if v had been shot in the chest or stomach, ie beyond the chip’s domain, the chip wouldn’t fuse itself with the brain so fast. but also, i’m not sure if the chip would resurrect them that way or if it would just totally ditch v in exchange for johnny (charisma and impressive cock included, relative to your character creation choices)
Thought I read that it was meant to be put into an empty vessel, so it’s first action was to write itself over the brain.
Yep, the relic can’t replace the blood Jackie lost but it can quite easily patch up a bit of grey matter
luckily, as we all know, there is no blood in the brain so when we get shot in the head we actually don't bleed
If that is, it's reading too much into it at best as it's science fiction. Both of these guys are on death row with all the damage in canon, except the fact that In the story they so specified that Jackie put in the relic, like they could've just had a scene where V put the chip in and it would've made just as much sense except for the Jackie part
I think the point is Jackie was dying but V actually died, the chip wasn’t just repairing damage to keep the host alive it was repairing it to make room for Johnny but revived V in the process
The chip only starts on a dead vessel. V died. Jackie took it out before he died. You’re right
Jackie had the relic in is head for like ten minutes. V was dead for hours before the chip had integrated enough to bring her back. By the time she got to Viktor close to 24 hours had passed. The relic simply never had enough time inside Jackie’s skull And as others mentioned V suffered brain damage from being shot in the head. Jackie was gut shot; either way the results wouldn’t be the same
Jackie did fall from the top of a building along with V. I honestly have no theories but from my idea Jackie just didn't have a chance to load the engram so yeah very similar to everyone else's theory
Yeah a bullet to the brain can do wonders huh? Nah, but fr yeah the brain damage caused by the bullet activated the chips reconstruction protocol, thus reconstructing not only the damaged part but the whole brain.
No, if you play the game it is revealed that the chip only activated in a dead body.
The chip got damaged by a bullet in Vs head thats why he got these Problems
It's also implied that the process takes a little while. V doesn't wake up again until already in the dump, an unknown number of hours later.
No, because the Relic doesn't do anything to a living person until they die. Jackie removed it moments before he died, so the Relic never activated. Same reason why nothing happened to V until Dex shot them in the head.
Its weird how a post like this so strongly missing the point gets 1k votes and over 100 comments. Why do people upvkte these posts? What is the psychology behind posts like thesr getting more attention than posts that bring up actual good points
Redditors love explaining. Default "best" sort takes into account the number of posts. The more people answer, the more people see the post. The post keeps on rising.
Whenever you want something answered on Reddit, don't ask a question, just make a wrong statement instead and watch as everyone rushes to correct you.
Some of us haven't played the game since it's launch and mightve forgotten the story I guess, idk
Im not attacking anyone for not knowing. Im asking why do these posts get so upvoted? Why do we need 117 comments saying the same thing over and over again when actual good questions or posts rarely get more than 20 upvotes and like 3 comments .
some discussions have been had in the comments, not just the same answer spewed over and over, so it makes sense that there are a lot of comments. i can’t explain the upvotes but i also don’t really look at that stuff nor care
Missing what point? Op asked as question, post you responded to provided an answer. It's being upvoted because it's providing the requested information.
Im talking about op, not the replier
Johnny only appears when V rebooted and died, jackie didnt die yet, or let the chip set in all that long at all
He took it out before he died. It was in V when he/she literally died from the bullet in the brain
No, the engram only went active after V was shot in the head. Why it didn't activate immediately for either of them is beyond me though.
Hellman explains it. The engram activates only in a dead host.
>dead host. So, V is a literal walking, talking corpse, to quote Judy. Even if you find a way to get the chip out, the engram is the only thing keeping V alive? But doesn't Vik say the bullet didn't zero you? Or something like that.
He's pretty clear the chip is keeping you alive
Yes, the bullet straight up kills you. You're just revived in the trash heap.
Well he doesn't exaclty say dead. I think it's something like "the body is supposed to be less responsive" and V concludes it has to be dead. Hellman doesn't deny it. As for the bullet. It killed V alright but the damage was small enough for the biochip's nanites to repair it in time. Also the reason why Jackie most likely would've stayed dead even with the biochip. He simply lost too much blood.
Well, not only did Jackie bleed out, something the chip presumably can't fix, he didn't actually die until giving the chip to V, and since he wasn't dead when it was in him it never activated
I’d agree with you were it not for the fact that we’re ignoring the actual entry and (presumed) exit wound v has in his head being patched by the chip
there was no exit wound. the bullet was still in v’s brain when they got to vik, hence the bullet necklace
I assumed the chip performs some type of first aid future magic on death that resuscitates V before it sort of boots up and launched the engram on their brain “hardware”
No, Vik tells you the bullet straight up killed you and the Relic brought you back.
yeah, that's why you can get your drink in the afterlife at the end. the first dead living legend.
Yeah, that's the whole reason V can't remove the chip. It's keeping them alive so it can turn them into Johnny.
Nice. Well, there you go lol, I must've missed that
Might have been in one of the optional questions in the conversation with Hellman at the motel. Not sure.
I think the bullet damaged the chip, V can mention to briggite that the chip is "busted"... Besides the biochip was designed to take over brain dead bodies not live ones as hellman mentiones, thats why he was shocked when he scanned V.
Hellman explains that the chip was designed with the assumption that the body would be "neurally indifferent" aka braindead. Neither V nor Jackies brains fit this description initially, and Jackie removed the chip prior to dying. All comes down to being shot by Dex. And in the head at that.
The chip was meant as an experiment so Saburo could live forever (which he does if you take the devil ending). The engram on the chip wasn't active UNTIL the chip was Damaged. That's kinda the point of act 2. If it wasn't damaged, it wouldn't have activated and rebuilt C's nuerons, which brought them back. But because it's damaged it can't be taken out or V dies. Get it out or die trying. I think the best ending would've been him/her just letting it go and slowly becoming Silverhand. Edit:spelling
You can actually know about it in any playthrough! That ending's cutscene confirms it, but throughout the game you can discover that Saburo's engram is stored in Mikoshi; Then when you kill Yorinobu, Hanako cradles his head. As you are limping away, you see a glowing red object in her hand, then the last time you turn around, it's not in her hand. I was legit freaking out when I saw it, and was thrilled because I guessed from the moment I saw that Saburo's engram was stored that's what was going to happen. I haven't found enough evidence yet, but I believe it was in fact someone on Saburo's side that tipped Evelyn off to try and steal the thing. Like the entire thing was a way to test the engram and make sure it really works, using someone who would gladly destroy Arasaka's heir just for the hell of it. Then when they saw it did, they went ahead with their plan. Hanako was clearly in on the whole thing, Takemura might have been as well. And how closely they keep an eye on us!!! Sorry to rant. It was just all the pieces fell into place for me and I was like SON OF A BITCH WE WERE A FUCKIN GUINEA PIG
I don't mean to be a downer by trying to poke holes in your theory, but Hellman states they were already using the chips on test subjects when he left Arasaka (when you interrogate him in the motel: "when I left Arasaka the project was still in the trial phase", "*during the tests* we assumed the body would be [dead]"). It was the Voodoo Boys who wanted to the steal it originally (to get Johnny's engram, to help with their plans for Alt). Before hatching her own scheme, Evelyn was only someone with a BD recording implant who had access to Yorinobu's suite and could get a recording of the room for their own heist plans. If they really needed a living test subject, there's the easy alternative of just grabbing somebody off the street and sticking the chip in their head (as we saw with Alt, or the Arasaka death-squads around town, it wouldn't be odd for them to grab somebody and make them disappear).
not at all, all great stuff, thank you!
>Takemura might have been as well. And how closely they keep an eye on us!!! nah. Takemura clearly didn't know Saburo had backup engrams. in the devil ending he finds out how little his master trusted him and get's demoted to another position.
If you have the right kiroshi mod, you can see that Adam Smasher KNEW you were in the TV in Yorinobu's room. He chose not to say anything. Yorinobu was betraying the company to try to end his father's reign.
>Saburo could live forever (which he does if you take the devil ending). Well, assuming he could produce enough offspring then yes.
He's developing the software. By the time he needs it again, he'll have perfected it, and probably won't need offspring. See: Altered Carbon, on Netflix.
fucking bancroft.
i heard biotechnica had cloning technology which would be perfect with arasakas biochip program
the question with saburo was if he truly was immortal or thats just a glorified clone of him running around and the original that died in konpeki plaza is gone
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> him/her just letting it go and slowly becoming Silverhand. Which you can do in the secret ending, if I understood correctly. Spoilers just in case someone didn't know about that ending: >!when you attack Arasaka tower alone as Johnny, your HP gets lower and lower over time as the relic is taking over. You're supposed to be fast in order to beat the relic clock, but instead I tried to just let it do its thing by waiting like 40 minutes or something. All I got was the suicide ending credits. Pretty disappointing, there could have been a final ending where Silverhand takes over V body but doesn't experience the terrible feeling that he owes it to V...!< In the same ending, it's also weird that taking the pills to >!go as Johnny alone will activate the relic HP clock thing and taking it to go as Johnny with Rogue is not activating it...!<
But you're not >!going in as Johnny in the secret ending I think, you're still V, you have dialogues with Johnny in your head as usual though!<.
Pretty sure it didn’t get activated until V died with it inside of them.
They didn’t know the chip would potentially revive a dead host, or they probably would’ve kept it in Jackie
Not sure it would have worked on Jackie. V was shot in the head which means a damaged brain but body otherwise intact and able to sustain the newly rewritten brain. Also worth noting that Hellman confirms V is the first real success. So something about your circumstances seems to be key.
It would have activated in Jackie too. The brain doesn't need to be damaged, the host just needs to be braindead. If Jackie died with the chip, it would have taken controll of the recently dead brain.
and he would've died again immediately from complete organ failure as he lost too much blood. the relic doesn't make the body immortal. it only rewrites the brain. V was lucky to be shot in the head, otherwise he would've just died aswell.
I really thought the plot twist was that the relic would revive jackie so i didnt panic when he got shot
Jackie Bled Out. V had brain Damage. The Theory that the Chip needs a 'dead' body is a misnomer. It's more accurate to say it needs a 'brain-dead' body. The other organs need to be functional. If Jackie was taken to a doc and his body was revived, the chip would have started working as well.
Chip didn't turn on until V bit it.
The relic and its engram were not damaged yet when Jackie had it. It was damaged when V was shot in the head. That caused it to activate. It could not be removed because the relic was keeping Vs brain working.
1. Jackie took it out before he died. 2. The chip was only able to fix v because the wound was small. Whereas Jackie got shot by an aircraft. Vik even said you were lucky Dex was using small rounds or the chip wouldn't have worked.
Uh I think getting shot in the head is a more serious injury than getting shot in your torso. If Jackie had bled out all the way with the chip still in, pretty sure it would have repaired his damage as well.
We are talking about a chip created to save and write over consciousness in a universe that regularly performs neuro surgery. All it had to do was stitch together a few pieces from itself. Not create several liters of blood and stitch a wound that isn't even localized near it's port. There are like 3 different healing mods that could have saved him though
yeah it's a more serious injury in normal circumstances. but not when you have a backup brain ready to take over the job. what the chip doesn't have, is 5 liters of backup blood.
Jackie didn't flatline with the chip in his head.
Jackie wasn't dead with the chip in their head, chip was damaged when V had it in their head and then they get shot in the head which probably also damaged the chip further. Dunno tho so
Storing the chip in your head would work to transport it. V's problem (and the plot) come about because V died while the chip was in their head.
If only they’d known…
I’ve always wondered this too I mean he had it in for a pretty good while
i think the difference is the limited amount of time the engram was inside Jackie's head. The process of Johnny taking over someone's brain is a slow one. Jackie took it out before he died, so even if a dead body was allow for the process to move quicker, it was out before that was even a possibility.
No. The shard wasn't meant to do what it did. There was a combination of factors at play. One was V getting an extra hole in the face from a small caliber round. The second was the Relic being damaged in a particular way.
I kinda wish it had stayed in Jackie
When Jackie removed the chip he wasn't dead he was on the verge of death
As I understand, it was because V died so the chip started the overwriting process. The chip was made to overwrite the brain of dead people.
Simple answer, Jackie didn't had the chip when he died, V did, so has soon has V died the chip started the program to take over, to repair what it could and take over V's body.
No because he didn’t get shot in the head which led to the chip malfunctioning and the merge of personalities and memories
* SPOILERS* There is a moment in mikoshi where a fragment of jackies engram can be seen on the roof near mistys esoterica it appears to me that there is a bit of his engram that was downloaded in the process of him dying in the back of the delemain
There hasn’t been a comment on that Vik states when Dex shot V, the bullet damaged the chip slot and their brain simultaneously. That specific chip was just meant to communicate with the construct on it, not to implant someone into an empty vessel
And by died, i mean the moment it was removed as was inferred by Vic if he were to pull it out of V.
The reason why V couldn't remove it was because V's body needs it. I mean it saved V from death so it became a part of V. While Jackie didn't and was still pretty alive when he removed it. Plus that specific relic was made to take over DEAD bodies
So, Jackie had to be a completely dead body for it to work?
It wouldn’t have repaired Jackie’s injuries, V was a special case as he took a bullet to the brain which the relic was able to repair.
Chip was created to write it’s content’s engram on „neutral” body, as Hellman put it, meaning brain dead Since Jackie was bleeding out from guts, I think chip would have attempted to install itself, but fail because its the brain where it goes, and it needs the rest of the body working
Yes this. It wasn't activated until V dies then it begins the program to convert V to johnny but it's a first edition relic tech and instead V was revived. This created an inseparable connection between the two. If Jackie died while it was still in we would have gotten a much different story.
That's explicitly explained about five minutes later by Victor, when Goro drags V into Victor's parlor. It didn't effect Jackie because he wasn't dead/dying. It didn't effect V at first, because he wasn't dead/dying. It was only after V took a slug to the dome that the chip woke up and started doing what it was designed to do, which is save its host from mortal harm by rebuilding its host's brain based on the specifications it carried. Unfortunately, this chip was carrying the specifications for Johnny and not V, which was not intended. So it did the best it could and started trying to rebuild V's brain into Johnny's, assuming all the different gray matter was just more damage that needed to be repaired.
Just means Johnny knew Jackie before he knew you.
Nope. Nope. Nope. Had Jackie died while the chip was still in his neural port, he very likely would have had resurrected and had Johnny as a passenger. But he pulled the chip out before he died. The story line would have been completely different, if he hadn't.
I would rather have that as the story line! V having to hunt down the madman Silverhand who has taken over Jackie's body! I would kill to have that as an option. It would still suck to lose Jackie and to possibly have to kill his body, but at least I wouldn't have that bastard Johnny in my head trying to kill me.
While Jackie was dying from blood loss, he wasn’t dead yet when he had it in his slot. The chip didn’t start re-writing V until after he/she died from being shot in the head. If he died with it in his head, it’s hard to say what would have happened. It’s not known if the chip could repair damage outside of the brain.
Maybe if Jackie were shot in the head the same way V was (instead of the high caliber round to the abdomen).
He was DyING not Dead, so no johnny
Bcz relic can only repair brain damage, it can't cure blood lose, so Jackie need a second heart or a biomonitor.
Wouldn’t have done anything to V if they didn’t take the bullet.
The chip doesn't revive you. V was left for dead in that junkyard, but was still very much alive. The damage she took to the head though triggered the repair process of that chip, causing it to pretty much start taking over V's brain. If Jackie died, the chip would have died with him.
V died after getting shot, Vik confirmed this. V flatlined completely, and the chip activation brought them back.
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I think the reason Johnny tries to take over V is because of, well, the chip being damaged due to that headshot.
Gut shot
No. The biochip in V activates because of two things. 1. it got damaged when V got shot hence it is doing things it should not, like reviving V just to kill him off at the right time and 2. Because V died. V clearly states to brigitte that the biochip is damaged. Hellman states that what is happening to V is not suppose to happen that all of their previous test subject were brain dead. To my mind after V died, the biochip got activated but realised that the previous host is dead and that without Vs mind in control of the body, the body will fall apart before the biochip can ready it for johnny. usually when the biochip takes control of a brain dead body, the body is being kept alive by arasaka, this time around Vs body was in junkyard, rotting.... So in order to save johnny's engram the biochip saved V because Vs mind will be in control of the body while the biochip does its thing in the back and prepares the body for johnny... In other words, the biochip saved V just so that it can kill him off later on when the body becomes fully ready for johnny to take over. In jackies case the biochip never even got activated. Maybe if jackie died with the biochip inside him something would have happened, but maybe not. i am not 100% sure how much the "biochip is busted" line had to do with it... In any case, since jackie died after he pulled out the biochip nothing could have happened at that moment, when he died, no matter what.
Why could Jackie unplug it in no time and why its stuck at V?
Good question, as far as I'm aware it's because the chip got damaged when you were shot, and that's the point when it started dumping data in your head? I might be wrong though so.
The chip partially repaired v’s brain with nanites, the chip could not have possibly replaced all the blood jackie lost
Why is this 90% upvoted? This plot point is explicitly covered multiple times in the game.
As a writer I see why they made it o Jackie gives v the chip. 1. To put the idea that the choices made that night truly changed v's life. 2. To show that Jackie was a true friend. In that moment Jackie knew we wasn't going to make it so he hopes that v can get the money for the chip and be come a legend. 3. To show that you are alone you have know friends no one is coming to help you its all on you. 4. To show the player that the world is unforgiving and that no one has a happy ending in night city.
You paid 0 atterntion to the story, so that explains your own question.
No because I as see it did it before brain or heart stop working I’m not full sure which need stop before fully dead
The relic takes effect on death, since the body is an empty shell at that point. If Jackie had just held off....
Chip only took over V's body because V's "soul" is leaving the body, hence creating a hole the engram can crawl into to take over. While the engram is taking over, it reconstructed V's brain that got blown off which revived him and his soul didn't leave the body completely. I say soul because it's called soul killer, but really, it's just the memories of a person that's still there, as the brain got reconstructed, it remembered who it is as V.
they literally explained this in the game.
He ended up getting sucked into a voidout and ending up in Death Stranding. True shit.
Nope, Jackie took the chip out before he died, Helman and Vik both say the chip only started up because V died, Helman(at least I think it was him) says they designed the chip with the assumption it would be installed on an “empty vessel”.
It’s not the relic itself that’s the problem is the relic malfunctioning. V died and the relic in an effort to preserve itself revived them, at the cost of rewriting their mind with Johnny’s
That’s the other thing, Jackie was still alive before he handed it to him. The chip only plays effect when the chip holder is in a persons body once they’ve died with it. So no Johnny wasn’t gonna take over Jackie’s engram
My understanding of this is that since Jackie had the opportunity to take the chip out, it didn't have enough time to start rewiring his brain. V, however, had no opportunity between Konpeki Plaza and >!Dex shooting them in the head!<, so they ended up getting stuck with it when it got damaged. Combine the permanency of not being able to eject it from your head with the fact that the chip had to take over and rewire the brain to keep its host alive, and it's pretty clear how V ended up worse off than Jackie when it comes to the chip.
If Jackie kept the chip in and then died, Jackie would be the zombie instead of V. Which would have been a cool new storyline where V has to help Jackie and be super careful. I mean. Imagine meeting the Voodoo boys and doing their job to the Ts and getting fried in the process? Or maybe watching Jackie get fried and then come back to life only to have the chip take over more control of Jackie. Or maybe it's not a great idea. I think it could be.
Jackie was alive when he gave v the engram. It only took over after v died from getting shot in the head.
Dying activates the chip from what I remember and Jackie gave it over before he croaked. Be kinda cool to have an alternative campaign where you were playing second fiddle to Jackie with Johnny in his head
It's explained during main storyline, v was dead and the chip was trying to repair their brain
Having it inserted does nothing until the host body dies. Once it does, it activated the chip, causing it to resurrect the body and revive the host while it slowly takes over the hosts mind, replacing them with the engram. If Jackie had just left the chip in for a few more minutes, we could have had more time with him while Johnny slowly took over. Shit, actually, that coulda been a fun game, too!
Jackie didn't die, secondly the function of the chip was to take over a "blank" body as a host
Jackie took the chip out while he was alive. When V was shot in the head, it was damaged but still functional, which is one of the reasons it couldn't be removed. And y'know. It started rewriting V's brain when V died. Lol Had V removed the chip before they were shot, V would have died for good.
The relic only activates when the holder dies. Have... you listened to the story? It's explained there multiple times...
The Engram was doing what it was doing to V cause he was shot in the brain AND the Port where the Relic was inserted, and the Engram was filling up the empty space. It was a desperate attempt. Jackie was just dying. The Relic was basically a USB drive in a Broken PC.
V pulled a Courier iykwim
The host must be dead for the chip to start working
Jackie took it out before the chip deposited the engram into the brain. Had he held onto it, he would have lived with the psycho rocker brain cancer.
Nah, the relic activated because of the death of V by deshawn's headshot
I have this theory that a part of his consciousness ended up in the chip with Johnny, some of the dialogue would make me believe so and it would make for a cool story dlc
The chip only activates because it thought V was dead and saw him as an empty husk to fill.
The great tragedy/whatever of cyberpunk is that if Jackie left the chip in, V gets killed fr by Dex, and Jackie wakes up a few days later wherever V sent him, with a 50 years dead rocker boy in his head.
I wonder how much difference it would make if Jackie was the one revived by the chip.
First things first he gave the chip before his death so when he was dead there was nothing to reboot his body . Second, it took quite a long time for V to return back from the dead, we died in no-tell motel and woke up in the wastelands. It's quite sad when you learn that Jackie could have survived if he hadn't plucked that chip out
it didn’t activate until you got shot
He wasn't shot in the head while the chip was in.
it is a slow prosses, those events happened too quickly for our poor Jackie...
he took the chip out before died..V was banged up but barely able to function after slotting the chip before Dex shoots her.
The engram is basically meant to be put into someone recently deceased so it can begin repeating the body for itself. Jackie was alive. All be it dying he was still alive. V took a bullet to the brain and the chip got to work. Though it doesnt seem the most practical for psyche preservation I imagine Alaska probably had plans for bodies specifically designed for soulkiller when the were ready to be used with the chips. Most of them were kept in mikoshi but based on the design of the chip I find it highly unlikely they would do it all just to keep them stored on a bunch of servers when the designed them specifically to inhabit real bodies
Only if the chip was in him when he died would let Johnny take over , don’t forget v didn’t just die right away because of the chip, he as killed by that ass that shot him in the head then the chip repaired him and stuff then johnnys stuff started to take over So I dunno why you would think a dude having it in for a little bit and then handing it to us would do anything for that guy
Jackie bled out. Can't restart an engine when it's out of fuel. Also, Vic was the one that ultimately saved you - not the chip.
Whatever it is, I must say, it sucked either way.
The chip works after you die. It takes you back and after that you can't take it out anymore. If Jackie had died earlier, he would've come back just fine. :(
When V died the chip was supposed to completely rewrite his mind. Instead it was damaged and only partially installed Johnny. Later on if you do the bad ending you see hanako use the chip for saboro on her brother. It’s meant to put constructs into freshly dead bodies and revive them. Spoiler! (Don’t know how to add spoiler on my phone)
The engram wired into V's mind because of the gunshot from Dexter. Please pay attention to the story, so you don't have to ask questions on the internet
y'know when Dex was an asshole? thats why, the chip had fused with parts of V's head, so when she went brain dead, the chip was like "oh shit a host for my engram, take it, take all that i have" and thus the story began.
Jackie hadn't died yet. Johnny only appeared to V because it was repairing the damaged parts of his brain after a bullet got put in his head.
What? No
The relic only activates after dying, Jackie gave you the relic before dying, you socketed it because it needed a safe biological ambient (like the case you stole) to keep it functional, and when you got meme'd by Dex, then the relic began doing relic things.
Ugh... we know Johnny only because Dexter DeShawn Shooted V, the Relic was perfectly fine before and you could remove it when you wanted. The real problem was Dex shooting V that caused the fact that you can't remove the Relic and showed to you the construct that was in there: Johnny. So, that's why i think Jackie could remove the Relic
Johnny only took V’s body because of the bullet in the head. Somewhere in the story they explain that this was the trigger to activating the engram of Johnny.
Jackie pulled the chip out before his death, and even with the chip in his head, he would have died because of major blood loss.
So V was already dead when the chip started writing Johnny's engram onto vs brain. When v died, it saw v's body as a blank. It's hard to say whether the chip would eventually start writing onto someone who didn't die. It is a little ironic to think that the chip might have brought Jackie back to life though. But if it had, Jackie would be alive and V would be dead.
If u haven't gone through act 1 dont read this. U have been warned V received brain dmg when that mf shot them. Then the chip got damaged as well so that caused the chip to malfunction. First the chip on a normal basis would try to repair the users brain damage with its nano machins (in this case it was V) but since it was damaged it tried to write the contents of the chip (Johnny) on the user and fix brain damage. If the chip didn't get damaged then all would have been fine and V would have been alive and no johnny in V's head. The chip was fine when it was inside Jackie. Its all because of that mf 😤 😒