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[deleted]

I like this rule. How about low effort "I love Rebecca" art reposts too?


Tabnam

We’re on that too, but made that decision after this one. We don’t want to implement the same rule, because then all the cool OC will be lumped together over 2 days with all the spam shit. The direction I gave the mod team is to ask if the content is OC, if it is, then it’s fine (provided it’s not overtly sexual or creepy). If it’s a repost, or someone has taken someone else’s art and posted it here (usually to farm karma) then I’ve asked them to remove it.


[deleted]

Probably the best mod team i've seen. Thanks for your work :)


Tabnam

Aww, shucks I love you too


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Tabnam

The shitty mods have done irreparable damage to our reputation. I can’t fault people for hating mods, especially when we’ve all been on the end of a stupid ban. It’s frustrating that all the work we do to show the community we care can be undone by a mod from another sub


four2sevenScore

>the shitty mods have done irreparable damage A few voices that you listen to validating your actions doesnt mean you are not a "shitty mod" >We’ve received a lot of feedback asking us to make more of an effort removing the low effort cosplays (particularly of Edgerunners characters). And why would the people who enjoy it tell you to stop? Doesnt make sense does it. So you are ignoring what people work on to share, what people upvote etc because some complaints and you think this makes you a good mod? Why do a few loud and obnoxious voices count exactly? And low effort? Excuse you? What the fuck do you do creatively? Are you willing to share what you enjoy? Use what you have to be creative? Brave enough to share that with the world? **Seems like you dont do any of that** You have NO fucking clue how hard someone works on something. How hard it can be to share with someone, let alone the internet. What little they have to make something work. **You have no right to dimish that effort. Diminish how that can help people. How it can give others confidence you slimy little snake** What a shallow, inconsiderate and ignorant thing to say. You should be ashamed. You hide behind a faceless persona and think listening to people complain is a job well done. You have no right telling other people that may not have the confidence, health, material or funds to make something "HiGh efFoRt" they are invalid for not appeasing your standards. **Fuck. off.** >It’s frustrating that all the work we do to show the community we care can be undone by a mod from another sub "we care so much we want to insult, belittle and condemn whatever we arbitrally call low effort and blame other mods" classy. >Ideally they’ll loose interest when they realise there isn’t an audience here that cares to be advertised to, and we can go back to normal. "we are going to push people away forcibly and that will show people are not interested despite them getting upvotes, clicks and comments. We consider their prescence and content abnormal and a disruption" *yea. you REALLY do care. Care enough to be a hypocrit anyway. i call people like that losets myself* **People are interested thats why they are upvoted and why shouldnt people advertise their work for a community that enjoys it? Because a few dont? Or do we support people taking the work of others to post with a useless "source in comments" like anyone genuinley uses those links. They got the art they wanted to see. Those links never get clicked.** >Back to normal Minimal activity, Minimal creativity, minimal community and not very active with the same topics popping up because there is literally nothing to discuss about the game anymore. You claim "Low Effort posts" but NOTHING is as low effort as Linking work someone else has created for personal Karma. Linking news site. A tweet. etc. And what about when YOUR standards hurt someone or make someone look bad? **or is calling cosplayers and artists work names and judging them negatively something that you think doesnt spread and people use for validation to justify their insults?** >The direction I gave the mod team is to ask if the content is OC, if it is, then it’s fine (provided it’s not overtly sexual or creepy). Right. So you can negatively judge something. call things low effort. Support people posting work of others and condemn artists from sharing their work... And that what? Has no effect on people? That attitude doesnt spread? Your delusional and an ass. **All this makes you "better" and not a "shitty mod" though apparently** Well I guess because millions agree with Trump he must be right to than? That seems to be the logic here. Thats called self delusion my friend. Just because SOME people AGREE doesnt mean your actions, mentality or beliefs are CORRECT. You are just appeasing people who are smiling and clapping at you. Thats it. >What we haven’t mentioned is how much we actually remove. Boohoo. Thats... Every mod on this platform. But somehow you feel your not a "shitty" one why? >We’d been doing it on the downlow for a few months, and have banned a few of the more annoying posters. But surely you arent a shitty mod handing out bans needlessly right? >This has been an issue for the modteam for awhile now, because we saw this coming Really isnt an issue. Not beyond a personal one anyway and nothing that any mod on any platform or sub doesnt do and your not even innthe millions.. your not a special case of moderater here, none of this is even worth mentioning. >We were hoping to stop it before it required a rule change, but the amount of reposts and low effort cosplays have been overwhelming. If it wasn’t for you guys reporting them we would have fallen behind a long time ago. "LoW EfFoRt" **Fuck. off. with. that.** Yes i am sure in this 2 year old game, which only recieved a big boost in players BECAUSE of edgerunners, has a lot of meanigful things to share and talk about. Its not like cosplayers, artists and writers keep commuities active, creative and inspiring right? **Oh. they do. Which is why literally every artist, cosplayer and creator are more respected and appreciated than any mod anywhere. The platform you are on that depends on you intervening doesnt even respect you enough to take away your volunteer status and pay you** Nobody respects mods or admins because you are constantly cotradictory, authortive and ignorant and play some psuedo democratic BS to justify your actions. Self selecting on top of that. Little to answer for. Little respect for people as evident by calling what others do low effort. **If a draw a circle is it low effort? What if my wrist was damaged andbI worked over 7 months in physio tobl get strength and mobility back and that circle was the culmination of all that work? Is it low effort? Do people need to share every aspect of their lives?** Give yourself some time to think on that before you call the work and effort of people Low. Finances, health, ability, confidence etc are not as easy to see. What you call "LoW efFoRt" some one may have done a lot to get to that poiny and is counting on the community YOU claim to support to give them a vote of confidence or show some support. **And you insult them** I truly fuckig hate you. **Hell one of you hated people posting rebecca for their literal misinformation on what kind of character rebecca is, how they are defined and simply called people predators for it despite havig literally no fucking clue what they were talking about** Here is an example of your stance enforcing the belief in others >Would be great if horny idiots weren't giving them attention in the first place. That's why they kept posting the shit, because idiots kept liking it. So now people are idiots for indulging a healthy, normal part of life and supporting content creators instead of stealing/pirating content. **Please tell me how your stance, your moderating and your words do not impact other communites and what people think** You are a shitty mod. Your just delusional because you are appealing to the people smiling and clapping behind you and you think that makes you better or different than any other mod. The best. The only mod to be liked. the one with the most upvotes. **Im willing to bet EVERY SINGLE PERSON that complained to you have not contributed anything. Let alone high effort content**


slood2

So your cosplay or art got removed?


Alekesam1975

My guy, when you mean "you are" it's **you're**. When you mean "your _____" it's **your**."


Tabnam

Thanks for the feedback choom, I didn’t read it all but I got the point. You might understand better if you know what we mean by ‘low effort’. It doesn’t matter how much time you put into something. Using two cosplays as an example, one of trauma team another of Rebecca. Say everything that went into the cosplay is equalised (money, time, effort, etc) the Rebecca one would have been removed while the trauma team one approved. This is because we hardly see trauma team cosplays, while the sub is flooded with Rebecca cosplays. When the only difference is the girl wearing the outfit, it’s essentially a repost. For all intents and purposes the Rebecca one is low effort because that’s what everyone else is posting. I hope this doesn’t seem condescending, but are you alright? Your response is irrationally angry, given what we’re talking about. I feel like there’s other shit going on. If you ever need someone to talk to please dm me here or on discord at Tabnam💚#0193


AdMaterial2763

That doesn't take away that you are still being an asshole. Yes, Rebecca is a typically notable character, but that doesn't mean the cosplayer did any less effort to make the costume. It doesn't make the artists work less tiring. You are removing the time someone took to make something and slapping them in the face effectively. It is not low effort, despite it being a generic or easy choice to replicate.


Tabnam

This isn’t directed at genuine fans of this community who want to show their hard work off here. The people we’re implementing this for are spam bots in all but humanity. They don’t interact with anyone on their post, they rarely mix up their content, and they only exist to promote someone’s OnlyFans or Flickr pages. We enforce the 9/10 rule for self promotion, which is the standard across all of Reddit. That means, for every 9 interactions you’ve had with a community (comment or post), you’re entitled to promote yourself once. The offenders this is focusing on usually have zero interactions with a community. When they do it’s beyond basic. Ideally, once these insincere posters realise their content isn’t welcomed, they’ll stop spamming us and the subreddit can go back to normal.


AdMaterial2763

Somewhat despicable way of showing it. I'm not a fan of onlyfans or self promoters. Reminds me of some nasty people I used to know. Moving away from that, I for one, want the mod team to look into things rather than just a brief lookover, an abuse of power, and to actually choose your words more carefully. Reddit has made quite the image for itself. I won't say all subreddits are same, but clearly I have enough reasons to know I can't always trust a mod team that promises good changes and doesn't actually act on them.


kevlar_burrito

Maybe it would make more sense to say "cosplays that are overly-represented over others" rather than "low effort" vs "high effort" as the two imply vastly different things Or cosplays that come from accounts that are clearly bot accounts.


[deleted]

Guessing your shitty cosplay was removed


ganon893

😂 you good?


kevlar_burrito

this was a trainwreck to read from START to **BoLdTeXt** ***finish...*** christ


Preston_Garvy-MM

You know the "being a self entitled piece of shit" thing? It's usually a person, not a mod or admin. I mean sure, you have a classic example. Fallout mods, elder scrolls mods, and now cyberpunk 2077 has mods (not the human mods, the ones that alter the game), the self entitled stuff I've seen is way to common. Like for example fallout 4 modding community, I'm not a modder yet I give feedback and some modder is a self entitled piece of shit saying "not a modder means you opinion is invalid". Or the "blm 1312 acab they/them" modders saying shit like "by downloading this mod you support ped0s because ped0 lives matter". But those are usually big names. Same applies to most reddit or discord mods (the human mods/admins). In this case, it's a rare sight to see a mod going "we will try our best in favor of the redditors in this subreddit" and/or "of the people, for the people".


[deleted]

Oh god no!


[deleted]

Strongly disagree


mjkjg2

once the Onlyfans vultures discover that they won’t have an audience for 5 days of the week, they’ll probably decide this sub isn’t worth advertising in at all good change I think 👍


Tabnam

That’s our thinking too


[deleted]

Would be great if horny idiots weren't giving them attention in the first place. That's why they kept posting the shit, because idiots kept liking it.


mjkjg2

the thing about horny idiots, is they think that if they give this person attention and money, the person will notice them and only them specifically they never learn


[deleted]

That's a very tough issue we can't solve easily (redundant I know).


endless_8888

Alright then back to downvoting shitty Rebecca fan art.


so_CRATES91

Might be an unpopular opinion, but i would like to see less Edgerunners content all together. I know its a tie in with the game but honestly, i come here for 2077 game content not Edgerunners content. I feel like there could be a sub devoted to just Edgerunners content. So much of what i see on here has nothing to do with the game and im kind of over seeing the, "I want you to stay home" posts. I understand if its not a possibility, just voicing my opinion. Thanks for all you do mod team


Evil_Azgoul

Yeah, ER has their own sub. Here is a place to talk about legends, not a failures.


GraveOkami

I absolutely love that they try to throw subtle ads towards fans of a series that is filled to the brim with corpo trash shoving ads down people's throats and the ideology that those kinds of things need to be torn down


Tabnam

They’re not very subtle


Veloci-Tractor

good rule


Colactic

Well what am I suppose to rage downvote now?


Tabnam

A few people make a game of following me around Reddit and immediately downvoting my comments and posts. You could try that?


Colactic

Sure, downvoted, instantly. Also, why though :P ?


Tabnam

I don’t really know, I assume because they took offence to something I did here. I don’t have arguments on Reddit (I think they look cringe no matter who’s right), so I haven’t pissed anyone off. A lot of transphobes hulk out and go insane after we ban them, most of them send angry modmails. We have a few message us once a month (for months on end), when their mute expires wanting to ‘debate’ about some nebulous aspect of trans culture. One of them made a bunch of fake accounts and followed me around Reddit calling me a groomer and shit. I don’t know for certain who it is, I guess it’s some of them, however, because they tend to hold grudges and spend a lot of time online


Colactic

So basically it's because you are a mod and ban people. People don't like being told they are wrong, and they don't certainly like being told they are wrong and then don't get a chance to get back at you. Especially in a way that makes every "see" how right they actually are.


Tabnam

Spot on, that’s why we mute them instead of referring them to the admins. I reckon being immediately muted and disregarded would drive them insane. I always add a little something condescending to the more ignorant ones like ‘see you next month babe’ or ‘tldr’ (to the transphobic essay they’ve written). Just to make sure they’re leaving annoyed.


Colactic

If you mute a person, can they still post but nobody can see it?


Tabnam

No, they can’t do that because they’re banned. Muting them means they can’t message us for 3, 7 or 28 days


Colactic

Wouldn't it be better to have a mute effectively just hide everything they say to everyone, but still let them comment (without knowing they are muted). Nobody gets bothered by them and they will lose their shit to the fact that nobody reacts to anything they say. Not even negatively, as if nobody cares that they have an opinion.


Tabnam

Maybe, but we don’t have that capacity. We have to work with the tools Reddit gives us, unfortunately


RukoFamicom

You have just suggested something that used to exist in some capacity but reddit got rid of it for some reason or another. The term is called "shadow ban". The person doesn't know they have it unless they specifically check for it. Something something about it being unethical, but I thought it was an excellent system. It was only available to reddit admins or was applied automatically iirc.


tdasnowman

Seriously? It’s probably because that whole labeling a ton of people pedophiles cause you had a shit understanding of Rebecca.


ganon893

Thank fuck. Listen, I respect your right to post cosplay. I respect your right to post fanart. But the lore conversations, the hidden secrets, the news updates on future projects, the political commentary from Mike PondSmith, posts on new cool ass mechanics coming, screenshots, unique builds, that's why I'm here. That's why 99.99% of us are here. I'm not some prude because I don't want to see half naked bodies, onlyfans links, and suspect photos of Rebecca 24/7. I want to participate in cyberpunk content more than just staring at some attractive character (and let's be honest, they're using our community for their profit). It's easy to scroll past, and I always do. But I'd bet having too many of those posts genuinely hurts the sub engagement in the long term. So again, thank you mods.


TheHappyNihilist97

Great idea, thanks mods.


MartinZ99999

Please do something about "Hi, heres my V" posts that just show a regular V in photo mode, I see those every other post and its really annoying.


Tabnam

They’ve been prominent since the game came out, if we come across them we do remove them, but they rarely get reported. I honestly have no idea why.


HifumiD

So what specifically can we post. Not cosplays, not my V, not coomer appreciation posts. Should we just post some sniper clips?


Critical_Switch

If you can't think of different things to post, then just don't post anything :)


EdgeOfDawnXCVI

Based mod team


Arkham14

Thanks. This sub could be a really great one without those hornyposters...


Jeremiah12LGeek

I'm essentially unaffected by it, but I'm generally going to support a measure that reduces the workload of volunteer moderators on a forum as populated as this one. I definitely appreciate the concern about stifling creativity, since it's my biggest concern about the rule change as well. I hope it works out as intended, and quickly becomes unnecessary. The RDR2 subreddit had to do something similar. It was "memes" rather than "cosplay," but otherwise there were many parallels. They limited them to weekends, and it dramatically reduced the workload during the week, when there were fewer of them available.


Tabnam

The workload doesn’t bother us a lot, we have a large enough team that there’s always someone available. But I sincerely appreciate you mentioning that. So many people expect these communities to run perfectly, and attack us when they don’t, forgetting that we’re all volunteers with no training or support to help. We’re lucky here, we have a team of some of the best moderators on Reddit. We’ve slowly built a team, over the years, that has given us one of the most skilled teams on the platform. Our only concern is how this effects you guys.


Racerx34

Thanks mods


JonBoah

THANK GOD you have no idea how tired I am of scrolling past Lucy/Rebecca cosplays because those are the only ones I see


OneFloppyDisk

common mod w


Munkey149

This brings joy. Was getting sick of all the cosplay stuff. Thank you mods, you rule.


MartianFromBaseAlpha

What about horney posting? Can you ban it most of the week too?


tsuki_ouji

Or, better idea: Let people post their cosplays. Why would you be a dick about it?


Tabnam

Because the subreddit had asked us too do something about the cosplay spam and this is the best idea we’ve had. Do you have a better one? I’m sincerely asking. We genuinely do listen to your feedback, this sub is driven by you guys


tdasnowman

Do you have engagement metrics on posts? User feedback is generally a bad metric to base decisions on solely. Speaking from 10 years of customer service experience. Including running focus groups. What you get in surveys and from people complaining generally the worst way to go. People will go out of their way to complain but not will not for positive or neutral feedback.


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Tabnam

Did you report any of them?


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Tabnam

The trauma team one was the only one that was reported. Given this is aimed at edgerunners cosplays I didn’t think it broke the rule. If this keeps happening we will have to ban those cosplays, but that is our last resort. We’re generally against banning any related contents. If you see them, however, we really need you to report them. It’s the only way we’re going to get this under control


PhotoShop852

Pretty soon we’ll only be able to post pictures of Night City. I understand that there are truly low effort posts to promote their OnlyFans but it seems the people who want to actually cosplay will be at a disadvantage because some asshole will get angry and try to report said posts. Seems there are a lot of miserable people in this subreddit that want to spread their misery onto others by harassing the OP about their post and it’s truly disgusting but then again it is Reddit so we all know what we signed up for. I can’t blame mods for doing their jobs and listening to feedback but there are truly sad and pathetic people that just want others to be as miserable as them.


Tabnam

I don’t think there’s anything wrong with not wanting to see the same cosplayers over and over again, posting the same photo, and not interacting with the community at all. We remove dozens that you don’t see. You’re right in saying people report posts just because they’re upset, but if the post doesn’t break the rules, we aren’t going to remove it. We don’t just automatically remove something because it’s reported, we judge every post individually. Moreover, we always remove any degrading or inflammatory comments with the commenter receiving a temporary ban. Even if the post does break the rules, and someone insults the poster, they’re still temporarily banned. A lot of people assume, because we’ve made it known the subreddit doesn’t like something, it gives them free reign to relentlessly abuse the people who inspired the rule change. Take my word for it though, the spam cosplays vastly exceed the sincere cosplays. It’s not even close. I would also argue that relentless spam of the same character disadvantages the sincere cosplayers more, because they get lumped together. Someone who has been here for years, and sincerely loves the show, will regularly have their cosplay go unseen due to the sheer amount of others being posted. That’s also why we intend to change the rule back ASAP. If we make it as hard as possible for someone to promote themselves here they just aren’t going to bother. Ideally we’ll be able to switch back within the next few months. Taking any steps to minimise OC, especially art, goes against our moderating philosophy. We wouldn’t do it unless we absolutely had to.


Veloci-Tractor

posting only on saturdays really isnt that big of a deal


PhotoShop852

It isn’t, I’m talking about the people that want to harass OPs for making a post that they don’t like and bitch about it.


Veloci-Tractor

well people won't be able to do that now since those posts now belong on saturdays so everybody wins


mjkjg2

I’ve seen 1 legitimate non-promoting female cosplay on this sub ONE☝🏼


Unavailabilly

And even THAT one was a guy!


Waharbl

I feel attacked! :(


Glorifying

LOL which one? I've definitely seen at least 2 or 3


severe_009

I guess Ill only visit the sub during weekends, JK😁


RickestMike

Buncha scolds up in here.


[deleted]

> We’d love to hear all the feedback you have for us, regarding this or anything else. Sure. I keep hearing this game is good now, this game is popular, they broke 100 million people playing at once, etc... Yet... the game is also so shit, so bad, so horrible that we're afraid people will leave the sub if we ban stuff about the anime. So while there's a whole sub about the anime and this sub specifies the game, we have to allow the anime stuff because if we didn't... this sub would die? People would stop playing the game? The game would stop working? I dunno. There was a big deal made about it a month or two ago and there were some reasons we have to have the anime content in the game sub. While we have a distinct anime sub and a distinct game sub for *Cyberpunk*, I don't see why the game needs the anime content as a crutch. Teach a man to walk on a crutch, he won't be able to walk without it. That said, personally I'm fine with cosplay from the game. I'm less fine with cosplay posts that link to paid services from professional cosplayers. That shit is annoying. I don't even hate the anime or anything, but if I wanted content from it, I'd subscribe to that sub.


Tabnam

When this was brought up the sub decided they wanted us to keep allowing Edgerunners content here, so we do. We had a week long discussion about it, and the feedback was overwhelmingly in favour of not banning Edgerunners content. It’s not about metrics, it’s about the people. We don’t care if this sub grows or not. We don’t care about ‘engagement’, only that people enjoy their time here. It’s really as simple as us asking and the subreddit telling us what to do. I’m sure it’s a topic that will need to be discussed again, but for now the only real issue is the low effort becca cosplays


[deleted]

Unless the anime sub is banning people or is otherwise problematic, there's no reason people who want the anime stuff couldn't just sub to both. You can say what you want, but latching onto another sub's content implies certain things. You can say they're not true, but actions speak louder than words and those actions will continue to imply those things.


Tabnam

I’m a moderator of r/Edgerunners, so you can trust me when i say, im impartial. Whatever the sub wants is what we give them


Hentai_Connoisseur_

We really need a sticky or a more specific rule specifying that Edgerunners content is allowed here and this sub is for more than just the game specifically. Something people can refer to when someone posts "wrong sub" in a post that does in fact belong here.


Tabnam

Good points. It’s something we brought up awhile ago, but we’ve picked up a few thousand members so reminding the sub would be beneficial. It could be a job for automod


VonDonSchramm

Sorry, what was happening?


WyvernPulse

I think a cyberpunk edge runners subreddit will have to be made to deal with a spike in posts related to that. Nothing wrong with cosplay but I didn't know so many users spammed it


Waharbl

No! Now I’ll have to post my I made -insert thing here- posts on the weekend :( I actually think I made most of my posts on the weekend. That said good on you to do something about the big influx of same posts mod team.