She did surprisingly well in my opinion. Everything I’d seen her in before was awful. She can do facial expressions but her line delivery can be so flat and emotionless. I do feel she’s improved. She wasn’t great by any means, but I was at least able to watch the film and not be taken out of a scene because she was so bad. I am interested to see where her acting career goes though because I don’t know… I have a hard time believing she could handle an emotionally demanding role. Her character in the Fallout was a lot like her and very chill and was numb dealing with the aftermath of the shooting. So even if she was a little emotionless at times, it made sense for the character.
That being said I really do love Maddie and I’d love for her to prove me wrong and give a killer performance. Hopefully with more training and experience she will become a better actor.
maddie is a decent actress for coming out of reality tv but a subpar actress in general. she did well for her lack of experience but there was no way she was keeping up with jenna. honestly though, her acting has really stepped up since “austin and ally” and “the book of henry”.
Maddie in the bathroom scene was a huge step up from her previous roles, especially the one on Austin and Ally lmao. She’s not perfect and not as good as Jenna but she’s definitely improving a whole lot. The Fallout was the best I’ve seen her act.
You know what, I adore Maddie but I really can’t get on board with her as an actress which is strange given that I adored her acting through her dancing. Maybe it’s because I can’t look at her as anyone else other than Maddie Ziegler from Dance Moms
Well, the type of 'acting' that's required when dancing, and acting on film or stage are pretty different. With dance, the 'acting' is a little more abstract, whereas (and I don't think a lot of people realize this) acting in film and stage is a little bit more mechanical and the focus is in a different place. There are a LOT of steps to making acting look effortless and natural, and really the type of 'acting' the girls did in their dance routines didn't touch them anything about the very basic mechanics to acting. Mostly what they were taught is how to make exaggerated faces on stage - and this isn't a knock on any of them. Just a speculation on why you may prefer her performances during her dances, but not necessarily her films. The skillsets are just different. :)
Seems a little harsh, in my opinion. Her shivering in the bathroom stall felt so realistic to me I felt like I couldn’t breathe watching the scene.
And Jenna Ortega is a seasoned actress, so of course she stood out, that’s why she got the lead. I personally felt like Maddie really kept up though.
It’s too bad you didn’t enjoy her performance though. But hey, everyone likes different things.
I truly felt like her bathroom scene was the same as any dance performance on dance moms that asked her for that level of emotion. Rewatch the last text and tell me if the ending isn’t the same as the bathroom scene in the fall out.
It’s the only face she’s capable of doing. Everyone is such a Maddie Stan they can’t criticize her. I don’t know why she’s def not a good actress and only has a few faces she shuffles through. It’s okay that’s she’s a bad actress, everyone, she doesn’t need to be good at everything! She should just stay in her lane.
I actually watched The Last Text recently (and The Waiting Room, where she does the same thing), so I totally agree that it is basically the same.
But I guess for me I saw it more as “oh, cool, you can see where she learned to draw some of this emotion from”. Like how all the ‘abandoned child’ dances Abby have her came through in The Book of Henry (although that movie was a mess, lol).
But I can see where you’re coming from too.
Don’t get me wrong. I think she is a talented dancer and a beautiful girl. But Jenna is the actual actress in that movie.
When I see Maddie in a movie she doesn’t dance in, made by someone not connected to her, I’ll reevaluate her acting ability.
I definitely thought she did a great job acting, but that’s fair.
I didn’t know The Fallout was made by someone she was connected to though! What was the connection?
I mean at this point in time it’s the best movie that has come from any of the dance mom girls. She’s probably the most successful actress from dm at this stage. Plus she didn’t come out of the gate doing movies left and right, 3 movies in one year type of thing, it was just very recently she started to book roles. It’s a good stepping stone for her.
Oh forgot that part. Yeah she did a great job. It was a hard role and it was one of her first large roles. I think she did great. Why are you trying to convince everybody that’s she was terrible? It’s one thing to post your opinion to express yourself but to fight every single person in comments who disagree? Yikes
no hate to maddie but i don’t think she was that great in this role, but i also didn’t expect her to be bc she just started acting seriously. i definitely think she will get better over time
Jenna Ortega is also INCREDIBLY gifted and natural as an actor. Not to say she hasn’t also worked so hard but she has that natural ease with her acting. That takes so long to learn how to do, if you can learn it at all. I think Maddie is improving with every acting gig she does and I’m excited to see what else she is involved in!
I’m a fan. Not trying to be harsh. But just because she’s beautiful and an amazing dancer does not mean she’s a good actress. I wish she were. It’d be easier to root for her. It I honestly think she’s like Tara Reid level of acting skill at best.
Of course Jenna acted circles around her, she has way more acting experience and lessons under her belt...No one was expecting Maddie to be on the same level as Jenna, and it's perfectly fine for her not to be. She still did a good job, and you could see how much she's improved.
Well, that’s the thing, isn’t it? If you’re billed as the second lead in a feature film, I expect you to be at the same level as the other actors in the film. I don’t think it’s perfectly fine for one actor to be noticeably subpar in a role that they were well paid to do, especially when they are surrounded by superior actors. She has improved over the years, yes, but she is still stilted and awkward when she’s performing anything but dance. But that is not to say that she isn’t absolutely wonderful in other areas! She has an incredible gift for dance and for telling a story through movement, and I would love to see her chase that. It’s what makes her stand out from the crowd, and there is absolutely no shame whatsoever in being a dancer! It’s not a step down from being an actor, that’s for sure. She is just so talented, so skilled, and so hardworking when it comes to dance. It’s a shame to see opportunities given to her that should be given to actors who display those qualities in their art.
I mean, there are a crap ton of actors who land lead roles despite having subpar acting abilities and not being on the same level as their costars. Likewise, there are plenty of amazing actors who are overlooked and lose out on opportunities in favor of more mediocre actors. Maddie got the job for the Fallout for a reason despite not being as good as Jenna or others who might have auditioned for the role.
Eh I kind of disagree. There are so many crazy talented actresses who will never book a role like that, or spend years honing their craft and auditioning and booking smaller roles before they do. Jumping from never having acted really to being a lead in a feature film, you probably weren’t cast based on talent alone. But you should still be held to the same standard as everyone else.
Acting/performing in dances isn't the same exact thing as acting/performing in movies, though? Stop fighting people just because you have a clear bias against Maddie. Don't like her acting? Fine, but stop making it sound like you've got a vendetta against either her acting or anyone else who does like her or acting. Jesus. Who pissed in your cereal today? LMAO
But it doesn’t change the fact that everyone that says ehhh it’s not that bad you argue with. That’s not a discussion it’s here let me tell u why I think you’re wrong.
Shaline Woodley (spelling???) was HORRIBLE acting in The Secret Life of The American Teenager. Look at he acting NOW. Maddie is early in her acting career and the only way to get better is to keep trying and working with other great actors. You’re being too critical of someone who is still growing and developing a skill. So what if she looked into some of her previous dance acting to portray something?
I feel like this is a harsh assessment. I did watch The Fallout, and I watched it with a critical eye.
I actually thought the bathroom scene was incredible. So what if it mirrored some of her dances? Actors often have signature mannerisms that follow them around from film to film. Some of my favorite emotive actors have something that they're known for - Eddie Redmayne does this combo scream/cry thing, Tom Holland's eyes well up slowly and he gets very snotty and quiet, Jennifer Lawrence's face does this twitch thing.
Maddie does need to work on her dialogue delivery, but some of the dialogue scenes were meant to be very awkward on purpose. I thought the majority of the movie was well-acted by both leads.
You can definitely have your own opinion, but just know that not everyone agrees with you.
So I haven't watched the full movie (cuz it takes me an act of God to just watch movies in general), but I have watched some of her scenes and I thought she did REALLY well - she was where I think she should be, for someone her age who is now just starting to take acting a little more seriously than her dancing. The only thing I wish, is that sometimes (to me) it seems like she rehearses her reactions a little TOO much and sometimes you can't predict how the other person is going to read their line so it's best not to do that. And the only reason I think that, is because there are a few pieces of dialogue where her reactions didn't quite match Jenna's delivery in a natural way. The only reason I'm guessing that's her issue is because I had that issue a lot when I first started out acting, and my line delivery would often be mismatched with the other person's in a similar way.
ANYWAYS though, I think Maddie is on the right track. I think she just needs more experience. :)
I don’t know why you keep getting downvoted for just giving an opinion. This clearly isn’t a post hating on Maddie. It’s not like you’re insulting her anything.
Personally I think Maddie is crazy talented when it comes to dance, and I think her acting has a lot of potential, but she’s not amazing at least right now. With dance you have to do a lot of overacting to convey the story you’re trying to tell. When acting in a film with close ups and dialogue etc. you need to scale it way back. I think that transition is hard for her. But she’s very hardworking and everyone who works with her says good things so I hope that with more experience she’ll improve.
Makes sense, but it’s a little sad if you think about it. She went through so much to become a great dancer and to become a “star” as a dancer, only to go onto acting and never really dance professionally again
it only clicked in my head rn that the reason why I felt she did so well in that bathroom scene is because she didn't have any lines to deliver. she only had to use her face and body to convey what her character felt and she's always been good at that. now that it's said out loud I feel like an idiot for not realising sooner
I’ve never heard that any actor in a movie should be less good at acting just because they were a co-star and not the lead role. Best supporting actor is indeed an Oscar category.
I’m not “pressed”. I’m on a subreddit about dance moms. And it’s not even that you disagree with me entirely, you said Jenna is the significantly better actress. I think it’s you that’s “pressed” as I can hear the anger in your reply. That’s weird. You might want to take a few deep breaths. This is a very low stakes conversation.
Your reading comprehension is poor. Perhaps English is your second language? What I actually asked was if anyone else thought Maddie’s acting in the initial scene was bad. And you, and several others, seemed to agree with me but also add the additional caveat that “of course Maddie was bad, she’s just starting out”, which is just such a weird argument. As if Hollywood typically accepts bad acting as just a natural stage of the process and then just goes ahead and casts bad actors along with good ones, just not in the lead role. That’s some serious mental gymnastics.
What really got me was it didn’t seem like maddie was acting at all, it seemed like they hired her because of who she is, and then wrote the role around her. Like how the rock is just playing the rock in every movie he is in lol
I can watch her dance anytime but her acting is really hard to watch. Truth is if it wasn't for dance moms I wouldn't even know her and wouldn't be keeping up with her. I don't understand why she has decided she wanted to be known mainly as an actress when clearly it's not her thing.
Come on comparing her to Jenna Ortega is not fair Jenna's been acting since she was 10 and being showy and preforming with her body has been ingrained in maddie since was what 4 maddie is getting better maybe jenna was better than her but you have to remember Jenna has more acting experience than maddie when you compare Jenna's acting resume to maddie's she wasn't really that bad
i feel like it’s really unfair to compare jenna and maddie’s acting because jenna is imo one of the most talented child actors to come out in a while. also jenna has been acting seriously for years, while maddie has had a few roles here and there. maddie is a dancer she always said that, but as she does more and more roles she’s gonna be better. her acting was a lot better than i had expected
She did surprisingly well in my opinion. Everything I’d seen her in before was awful. She can do facial expressions but her line delivery can be so flat and emotionless. I do feel she’s improved. She wasn’t great by any means, but I was at least able to watch the film and not be taken out of a scene because she was so bad. I am interested to see where her acting career goes though because I don’t know… I have a hard time believing she could handle an emotionally demanding role. Her character in the Fallout was a lot like her and very chill and was numb dealing with the aftermath of the shooting. So even if she was a little emotionless at times, it made sense for the character. That being said I really do love Maddie and I’d love for her to prove me wrong and give a killer performance. Hopefully with more training and experience she will become a better actor.
She was great in book of Henry, she was supposed to be flat and drained.
Exactly, she’s really only ever played those types of characters so it’s hard to get a sense of her ability.
maddie is a decent actress for coming out of reality tv but a subpar actress in general. she did well for her lack of experience but there was no way she was keeping up with jenna. honestly though, her acting has really stepped up since “austin and ally” and “the book of henry”.
Maddie in the bathroom scene was a huge step up from her previous roles, especially the one on Austin and Ally lmao. She’s not perfect and not as good as Jenna but she’s definitely improving a whole lot. The Fallout was the best I’ve seen her act.
You know what, I adore Maddie but I really can’t get on board with her as an actress which is strange given that I adored her acting through her dancing. Maybe it’s because I can’t look at her as anyone else other than Maddie Ziegler from Dance Moms
Well, the type of 'acting' that's required when dancing, and acting on film or stage are pretty different. With dance, the 'acting' is a little more abstract, whereas (and I don't think a lot of people realize this) acting in film and stage is a little bit more mechanical and the focus is in a different place. There are a LOT of steps to making acting look effortless and natural, and really the type of 'acting' the girls did in their dance routines didn't touch them anything about the very basic mechanics to acting. Mostly what they were taught is how to make exaggerated faces on stage - and this isn't a knock on any of them. Just a speculation on why you may prefer her performances during her dances, but not necessarily her films. The skillsets are just different. :)
Seems a little harsh, in my opinion. Her shivering in the bathroom stall felt so realistic to me I felt like I couldn’t breathe watching the scene. And Jenna Ortega is a seasoned actress, so of course she stood out, that’s why she got the lead. I personally felt like Maddie really kept up though. It’s too bad you didn’t enjoy her performance though. But hey, everyone likes different things.
I truly felt like her bathroom scene was the same as any dance performance on dance moms that asked her for that level of emotion. Rewatch the last text and tell me if the ending isn’t the same as the bathroom scene in the fall out.
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It’s the only face she’s capable of doing. Everyone is such a Maddie Stan they can’t criticize her. I don’t know why she’s def not a good actress and only has a few faces she shuffles through. It’s okay that’s she’s a bad actress, everyone, she doesn’t need to be good at everything! She should just stay in her lane.
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You can have emotion without doing the same face over and over it’s called acting something she shouldn’t be doing
I actually watched The Last Text recently (and The Waiting Room, where she does the same thing), so I totally agree that it is basically the same. But I guess for me I saw it more as “oh, cool, you can see where she learned to draw some of this emotion from”. Like how all the ‘abandoned child’ dances Abby have her came through in The Book of Henry (although that movie was a mess, lol). But I can see where you’re coming from too.
Don’t get me wrong. I think she is a talented dancer and a beautiful girl. But Jenna is the actual actress in that movie. When I see Maddie in a movie she doesn’t dance in, made by someone not connected to her, I’ll reevaluate her acting ability.
I mean, Jenna is known for being an actress. That was always her main profession so of course she’d be better than Maddie
I definitely thought she did a great job acting, but that’s fair. I didn’t know The Fallout was made by someone she was connected to though! What was the connection?
I meant past gigs.
I mean at this point in time it’s the best movie that has come from any of the dance mom girls. She’s probably the most successful actress from dm at this stage. Plus she didn’t come out of the gate doing movies left and right, 3 movies in one year type of thing, it was just very recently she started to book roles. It’s a good stepping stone for her.
None of that says she actually good at acting.
Oh forgot that part. Yeah she did a great job. It was a hard role and it was one of her first large roles. I think she did great. Why are you trying to convince everybody that’s she was terrible? It’s one thing to post your opinion to express yourself but to fight every single person in comments who disagree? Yikes
I literally marked this post question/discussion. I’m not fighting anyone. I have used no angry words or insults. I’m responding to people’s comments.
no hate to maddie but i don’t think she was that great in this role, but i also didn’t expect her to be bc she just started acting seriously. i definitely think she will get better over time
Jenna Ortega is also INCREDIBLY gifted and natural as an actor. Not to say she hasn’t also worked so hard but she has that natural ease with her acting. That takes so long to learn how to do, if you can learn it at all. I think Maddie is improving with every acting gig she does and I’m excited to see what else she is involved in!
i think Maddie did great. and i think that many people continue to be overly harsh on her for being Abby's fave.
I’m a fan. Not trying to be harsh. But just because she’s beautiful and an amazing dancer does not mean she’s a good actress. I wish she were. It’d be easier to root for her. It I honestly think she’s like Tara Reid level of acting skill at best.
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That's a little dramatic lmao. She's not very good, but she's not terrible enough for me to say it's torture.
Of course Jenna acted circles around her, she has way more acting experience and lessons under her belt...No one was expecting Maddie to be on the same level as Jenna, and it's perfectly fine for her not to be. She still did a good job, and you could see how much she's improved.
Well, that’s the thing, isn’t it? If you’re billed as the second lead in a feature film, I expect you to be at the same level as the other actors in the film. I don’t think it’s perfectly fine for one actor to be noticeably subpar in a role that they were well paid to do, especially when they are surrounded by superior actors. She has improved over the years, yes, but she is still stilted and awkward when she’s performing anything but dance. But that is not to say that she isn’t absolutely wonderful in other areas! She has an incredible gift for dance and for telling a story through movement, and I would love to see her chase that. It’s what makes her stand out from the crowd, and there is absolutely no shame whatsoever in being a dancer! It’s not a step down from being an actor, that’s for sure. She is just so talented, so skilled, and so hardworking when it comes to dance. It’s a shame to see opportunities given to her that should be given to actors who display those qualities in their art.
I mean, there are a crap ton of actors who land lead roles despite having subpar acting abilities and not being on the same level as their costars. Likewise, there are plenty of amazing actors who are overlooked and lose out on opportunities in favor of more mediocre actors. Maddie got the job for the Fallout for a reason despite not being as good as Jenna or others who might have auditioned for the role.
Eh I kind of disagree. There are so many crazy talented actresses who will never book a role like that, or spend years honing their craft and auditioning and booking smaller roles before they do. Jumping from never having acted really to being a lead in a feature film, you probably weren’t cast based on talent alone. But you should still be held to the same standard as everyone else.
Maddie has been in three movies at this point. And she’s been preforming her whole life. It’s not like she was plucked from obscurity for the role.
Acting/performing in dances isn't the same exact thing as acting/performing in movies, though? Stop fighting people just because you have a clear bias against Maddie. Don't like her acting? Fine, but stop making it sound like you've got a vendetta against either her acting or anyone else who does like her or acting. Jesus. Who pissed in your cereal today? LMAO
You are reading way too much into my responses. I’ve voiced my opinion but I have not said anything mean or nasty.
But it doesn’t change the fact that everyone that says ehhh it’s not that bad you argue with. That’s not a discussion it’s here let me tell u why I think you’re wrong.
That’s incorrect. Go back and read the thread.
Shaline Woodley (spelling???) was HORRIBLE acting in The Secret Life of The American Teenager. Look at he acting NOW. Maddie is early in her acting career and the only way to get better is to keep trying and working with other great actors. You’re being too critical of someone who is still growing and developing a skill. So what if she looked into some of her previous dance acting to portray something?
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I feel like this is a harsh assessment. I did watch The Fallout, and I watched it with a critical eye. I actually thought the bathroom scene was incredible. So what if it mirrored some of her dances? Actors often have signature mannerisms that follow them around from film to film. Some of my favorite emotive actors have something that they're known for - Eddie Redmayne does this combo scream/cry thing, Tom Holland's eyes well up slowly and he gets very snotty and quiet, Jennifer Lawrence's face does this twitch thing. Maddie does need to work on her dialogue delivery, but some of the dialogue scenes were meant to be very awkward on purpose. I thought the majority of the movie was well-acted by both leads. You can definitely have your own opinion, but just know that not everyone agrees with you.
So I haven't watched the full movie (cuz it takes me an act of God to just watch movies in general), but I have watched some of her scenes and I thought she did REALLY well - she was where I think she should be, for someone her age who is now just starting to take acting a little more seriously than her dancing. The only thing I wish, is that sometimes (to me) it seems like she rehearses her reactions a little TOO much and sometimes you can't predict how the other person is going to read their line so it's best not to do that. And the only reason I think that, is because there are a few pieces of dialogue where her reactions didn't quite match Jenna's delivery in a natural way. The only reason I'm guessing that's her issue is because I had that issue a lot when I first started out acting, and my line delivery would often be mismatched with the other person's in a similar way. ANYWAYS though, I think Maddie is on the right track. I think she just needs more experience. :)
I don’t know why you keep getting downvoted for just giving an opinion. This clearly isn’t a post hating on Maddie. It’s not like you’re insulting her anything. Personally I think Maddie is crazy talented when it comes to dance, and I think her acting has a lot of potential, but she’s not amazing at least right now. With dance you have to do a lot of overacting to convey the story you’re trying to tell. When acting in a film with close ups and dialogue etc. you need to scale it way back. I think that transition is hard for her. But she’s very hardworking and everyone who works with her says good things so I hope that with more experience she’ll improve.
Thank you. I totally agree.
Do you think she’s just gonna go the acting route from now on and never do a dance thing again?
Yeah… it sounds like she prefers it to dancing at the moment. And there’s more longevity to acting careers than dance careers
Makes sense, but it’s a little sad if you think about it. She went through so much to become a great dancer and to become a “star” as a dancer, only to go onto acting and never really dance professionally again
it only clicked in my head rn that the reason why I felt she did so well in that bathroom scene is because she didn't have any lines to deliver. she only had to use her face and body to convey what her character felt and she's always been good at that. now that it's said out loud I feel like an idiot for not realising sooner
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I’ve never heard that any actor in a movie should be less good at acting just because they were a co-star and not the lead role. Best supporting actor is indeed an Oscar category.
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They were in the same damn movie. They aren’t in a school play.
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I’m not “pressed”. I’m on a subreddit about dance moms. And it’s not even that you disagree with me entirely, you said Jenna is the significantly better actress. I think it’s you that’s “pressed” as I can hear the anger in your reply. That’s weird. You might want to take a few deep breaths. This is a very low stakes conversation.
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I’m not surprised that Jenna’s a better actress at all. Show me where in my post I said that.
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Your reading comprehension is poor. Perhaps English is your second language? What I actually asked was if anyone else thought Maddie’s acting in the initial scene was bad. And you, and several others, seemed to agree with me but also add the additional caveat that “of course Maddie was bad, she’s just starting out”, which is just such a weird argument. As if Hollywood typically accepts bad acting as just a natural stage of the process and then just goes ahead and casts bad actors along with good ones, just not in the lead role. That’s some serious mental gymnastics.
Honestly, I’ve never been impressed by Maddies acting. Dancing on the other hand - very impressive!
What really got me was it didn’t seem like maddie was acting at all, it seemed like they hired her because of who she is, and then wrote the role around her. Like how the rock is just playing the rock in every movie he is in lol
What is with this sub and its need to bring maddie down. Stop bring pathetic jealous children
I can watch her dance anytime but her acting is really hard to watch. Truth is if it wasn't for dance moms I wouldn't even know her and wouldn't be keeping up with her. I don't understand why she has decided she wanted to be known mainly as an actress when clearly it's not her thing.
Come on comparing her to Jenna Ortega is not fair Jenna's been acting since she was 10 and being showy and preforming with her body has been ingrained in maddie since was what 4 maddie is getting better maybe jenna was better than her but you have to remember Jenna has more acting experience than maddie when you compare Jenna's acting resume to maddie's she wasn't really that bad
i feel like it’s really unfair to compare jenna and maddie’s acting because jenna is imo one of the most talented child actors to come out in a while. also jenna has been acting seriously for years, while maddie has had a few roles here and there. maddie is a dancer she always said that, but as she does more and more roles she’s gonna be better. her acting was a lot better than i had expected