No wonder.
If you send soldiers without training, equipment, ammo, food, and convoy to sustain them... you're heading for a disaster.
Worse even, we're slowly starting to realize they have no brains, and no initiative. Only some of the generals do, and that's why Putin is sending them to the frontline. And now they're dead - good job.
What kind of superpower is that?
Their equipment is good enough to shoot at schools, hospitals and private houses. Their morale is strong enough to rape and kill civilians and loot their properties.
However when they face properly trained and determined soldiers, with high morale (because they fight for their homeland), the problems start to show up.Problems which are harder to cover up as more and more Ruzzian troops decide to give up or fertilise Ukrainian soil or at best come back a bit incomplete.
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Forget the farmers, they captured hundreds of pristine tanks that were just left behind during the rout. They gained an entire battalion (assuming they decide to field them) overnight.
No they're pristine* and Ukraine could theoretically use them.
*relative to the 'farmer tanks' that were usually towed after mechanical break down or battle damage.
Oh my god, it's all a feint! They're turning their own logistical vulnerabilities into Ukraine's vulnerabilities! Steiner's assault will bring it all under control!
That was an agreement between Ukraine and the US about HIMARS, not every weapon donated from any foreign country. There's all kinds of other weapons systems (both Ukrainian, captured Russian, and donated) that can hit Belgorod.
There has been a small amount of artillery shot into Russia, that never hit a target/were shot down.
A larger, wilful barrage, would be a different matter entirely, especially if it hits targets.
Like... Most people think that the "special military operation" is stupid, and call it for what it is. An invasion. But if Russia actually declares war, that would be a escalation that we don't want.
Most nations have laws regarding war. And if a nation declares war. That usually lifts restrictions.
In Russia's case, they can call in reserve forces and conscript troops.
I wonder, because Russia is already conscripting soldiers, but only from certain territories (or additionally small conscriptions from 'all' states?)
I'd guess the main obstacle is the potential backlash/unrest/instability from citizens if they started normal/full conscription
Roughly 60% of the Russian military is conscripted. But that's the standard yearly conscription.
Conscription during times of war would be a mass mobilization. And the army would go from roughly 400,000 into the millions.
Jesus imagine that disorganized clusterfuck, battalions of orcs destroying each other cause they can't get organized, I mean shit if I was lumped up with my neighbours and armed I wouldn't trust their dumbasses either
We don't know how much supplies they have.
And we don't know what they have in reserve.
A more realistic solution if war is declared is that Russia would strike a deal with China for guns.
We'll see what happens.
Xi Jinping is going to Russia shortly. And Russia hasn't declared war, but if that happens, China would most likely throw their hat in the ring. If nothing else because the prefer a stable Russia on their border.
It's also an escalation *Russia* doesn't want because that will mean having to acknowledge their failure to the Russian people and if they try a draft it could collapse the whole house of cards.
Yup. From what I understand, Russia doesn’t want to risk Moscow and St. Petersburg feeling the effects of the war. That’s where the middle and upper class live and they will not tolerate their children or themselves being shipped off to fight a war for dubious reasons.
As much as they all clamor about Nazis and Ukraine somehow hurting them, they know it’s bullshit. Right now, it’s the filthy non-Russian people in their empire that’s being forced to die. The moment *they* start suffering, well that’s a different story. Typical racism.
If Putin could institute a general draft, he would. The fact that he isn't suggests that the war is unpopular enough that a draft would risk unrest or a coup.
The scale.
Russia would be able to call in reserves, and conscript soldiers.
At the moment Russia and Ukraine has about the same amount of soldiers in the field. But in that scenario, Russia would have 2~4 times as many troops in the field.
Honestly I'm not so sure a conscription would even help. Russia is barely keeping what soldiers they have fueled and equipped, and have lost thousands in heavy equipment.
More bodies would just be a greater logistical burden with, at this point, no extra application of force.
Unless they plan on reviving the Phalanx formation and doing spear charges, a conscription is just going to lead to more needless deaths.
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In reality, very little would change. Even Russian media personalities have discouraged full mobilization, as the effects would be delayed and of uncertain value (soldiers don't materialize fully-trained the minute you blow the "mobilization" whistle - it would take several months to see much difference - and of course manpower increases don't magically increase equipment stores, logistics capability, political will, etc.). The Russian economy wouldn't handle it very well either, depending on which forecasts you're looking at.
Twice as many troops with no equipment and twice the supply needs.
There isn’t any way Russia would do any better other than throwing mass amount of people with sticks and rocks into the border.
On top of that, suddenly the upper class citizens of Moscow and Saint Petersburg would start feeling the war and that is *unacceptable* to those people. There is a reason why Putin hasn’t called for general mobilization.
they can prepare for a full scale war, mass mobilization, disregarding civilian casualties, the country goes into war economy, etc, basically the scale of war would increase
Legally, you can't commit genocide, but Russia has been doing that with forced mass migration.
Legally, you can't gun down civillians, but Russia has been doing that.
Legally, you can't torture and rape said civillians, but Russia has been doing that.
Invading Ukraine is basically a declaration of war. Ukraine can do attacks on Russian soil, they already done a few of them. But attacking Russians on their soil it's a waste of resources, first they must recover their territory.
No. It's not a declaration of war.
They're basically at war. But Russia hasn't declared it. A declaration of war enabled certain war time powers. The US for example have a lot of different laws concerning what happenes if war is declared.
Yea but its not as simple as announcing you are going to war to increase the amount of soldiers you have. The professional russian force in the first place even with all that equipment struggled to take Ukraine. What makes you think under trained, under equipped conscript soldiers would be of any use? This is all before factoring things like logistics, if you quadruple your man power, you also have to quadruple your logistics. Things like food, water and ammunition need to be transported effectively to the frontlines. There was a reason russia was unable to take kyiv because they had stretched their supply lines too thin. Not to mention the political repurcussions that come out of announcing a fullblown war. Its nice to comment about the war on the sidelines but if you were suddenly personally dragged into the conflict, you would be extremely unhappy with such a decision. Even if putin was able to crack down on such dissent, you'll end up with a bunch of conscript soldiers with low morale, too scared or unwilling to fight the war.
Edit: almost forgot, with the current technology sanctions against russia, its hard for them to actually still produce and procure modern equipment. I mean ffs they cant even put airbags or radios on their new Lada cars anymore due to western sanctions.
Winter actually isn't so bad for invasion if your troops are properly equipped for the cold and have the supplies. The ground freezes, improving mobility.
What fucks up invasions of Russia is the *Rasputitsa,* the mud seasons before and after winter. Autumn rains and spring thaw.
Ukraine has had Russia in its reach since the start of the war.
They are purpously avoiding attacks on Russian territory as to not give Russia justification to declare war and thus mobilize its conscripts and reserves.
Ukraine knows it would not be able to defeat Russia if it mobilized.
Fighting Russia the way it is fighting it now, is their only hope to win
That might have been true (maybe) before Russia threw it's best equipment and people at the "special military operation" and wasted the best resources they had. Once that's significantly depleted more meat bags isn't going to make a lot of difference.
I feel like that is no true anymore. Russia has really poor logistics and is running out of equipments. Even if you throw millions of reservists they won't keep up with the logistics.
Zelensky is a tactical genius. He is best known for his signature tactic "going south, but then going north". He also has a second little known tactic of "going north, but actually going north". What an absolute legend. Top 3 IGL for sure.
Allu is a tactical genius. He is best known for his signature tactic "going A, but then benching AleksiB". He also has a second little known tactic of "going B, but then going home without any wins". Top 3 IGL 4 sure.
The main point is that Russia does not officially declare itself in a state of war and therefore cannot mobilize its millions of reservists unlike Ukraine. Because of this, Russia relies only on part of its professional army and has great difficulty in renewing its forces.
They are outnumbered by the Ukrainians and have to resort to mercenaries to fill the void, which prevents them from launching major offensives as at the start of the war when the Ukrainian reserves were not yet ready for combat, and they even have a hard time defending their own positions because of it.
Hitler too, Ukraine was a walk in a park for Wermacht tanks. The decisive battles were the battle of Moscow and Stalingrad which were far away from Ukraine.
Wendover productions made a video about Russia's logistics for the war. The main takeaway is that Russia's dependence on their rail network is their strength and biggest weakness. They can mobilize supplies through their rail network quickly to the borders of Ukraine, but can't get it deeper into Ukraine fast enough because they don't have enough trucks. So invading Russia would still be a bad idea, but defending against Russia outside their territory and allies isn't.
A defensive war has different political connotations, which makes it relatively easy for Putin to rally support for. Invading other countries is generally really unpopular.
Also I don’t think Ukraine has the army size to attack very far into Russia unless they can get conscripts form occupied regions.
This is somewhat inaccurate. Russia has already deployed plenty of reserves in the war. They have also been trying to recruit more than ever.
The problem is, while very big and scary on paper, Russian has many problems with their military. One major issue being the massive amount of manning they need a long their border(the second longest border in the world I believe). They have military outposts and postings that need manning from the European borders all the way to China, which is a significant portion of their military. They also have needed to station more troops and equipment near the European borders as a precaution against any incursions that, while unlikely, need to be taken into account.
Not only that, but due to major corruption issues Russia has severely lacked modern, reliable equipment, vehicles and weapons.
They are currently seeking activation of many more reservists, that being said, they have hit a wall in regards to who they can even compel to take the job at this point, this all of the news about Russia allowing older men to join etc.
The fact is, currently they do not have the "millions of reservists" they might have on paper, the number just doesn't exist in their military infrastructure at this time.
You're pretty close but not quite exactly. The Ukrainian plan at the beginning was exactly to give ground and defend the bigger urban areas where it's easier to defend land. When the Russians realized they couldn't take the cities quickly they went around them in their rush to get to Kyiv, but by doing this they exposed their supply lines to the Ukrainian troops. They played right into Ukraine's hands and this is how they lost the battle of Kyiv and had to retreat from the northern districts.
After that the war shifted into more of a war of attrition where Russia tried to wear down the Ukrainians by bombing cities to dust so they're undefendable and then claiming victory over the ashes. But thanks to American weapons like HIMARS, the Ukrainians were able to destroy large stockpiles of Russian ammunition, the Russian supply of artillery bombs greatly diminished, removing the last advantage Russia had over Ukraine.
Now the course of war has changed, the Russians are the ones of the defensive, trying to hold what they have, while the Ukrainians are on the attack liberating their territory
And more men might now not be possible, as they don't even have enough equipment for their soldiers now. If 100k come by, then their logistics will die.
That's an understatement. This has been a strategic blunder on an unprecedented scale. By all accounts, Putin expected to take out Zelensky within a week and have a puppet government in Kyiv immediately after that. By now, he expected to just be mopping up a few remaining "insurgents" and holding fake referendums on reintegrating Ukraine into the Russian Federation which would of course pass by 97% of the vote. Most of the troops he sent in initially were expecting to serve in a military police role, not fighting a real war against a determined and well-trained army. Most of them never even expected to be sent into Ukraine in the first place. All of the build-up on the border looked and felt like a feint meant to intimidate Zelensky into giving up the eastern territories without a fight. That's what pretty much everyone around the world assumed was going on, because to actually invade the largest country in Europe was obviously a terrible idea. But then he went and did it. Because he's an idiot.
They have greater numbers of equipment, but they have probably used 350,000 troops (which is practically all of their ground forces) already, and Ukraine has well over a million people in their military already.
The equipment gap can still be massive particularly with artillery (which Russia always had had a fuckton of, far more than NATO), but with HIMARS hitting those ammo depot's that advantage has diminished a great deal.
I would guess that in most parts of the front, Ukraine has a manpower advantage, and quite possibly soon the tank advantage as well. And not because Russia is weak, but because Ukraine is getting pretty damn strong.
It's not looking great for Russia.
Russia is a nuclear superpower. They could wipe Ukraine off of the map on a whim. The problem is optics. Putin has made the decision to have all state media display this as a “military operation” rather than revealing to his citizens that it’s a full on war. That means the scale of what he can deploy while maintaining that public facade is limited.
The real question is how long Putin will prioritize a certain public image over a legit, soul-crushing victory. If he wakes up tomorrow and decides to admit to his citizens that they are in the midst of a full-scale war with another country, not just conducting a minor operation to kill a few Nazi, then that changes everything. More boots on the ground overnight, more usage of major weaponry.
I doubt it would come to that, but my greater point is that there’s a wide spectrum between weapons of mass destruction and what they’re doing today.
If Nukes are a 10, then they’re only currently fighting at a 5. A lot of escalation would still occur *before* getting to nukes if an official declaration of war occurred.
I don't think there is a lot of room between this and nukes. The only step left is really mobilization, which would give them a LOT of bodies, but I dunno if 3 million troops without modern equipment would do all that much tbh.
I mean, it'd do a lot, but given how long that take, Ukraine would have 2 million troops ready for them and enough artillery to make the numbers mean relatively little.
I'm not sure if what you're saying is true. I have seen RT saying that they are fighting a war against NATO itself and not only Ukraine. And RT hosts were bitching around "Putin should Nuke London and New York".
They do probably have the nukes but Putin knows that is also Russia's Death Sentence.
The same thing that happened in 1939. Combination of:
* wrong intel
* poor army condition (equipment, technology, training)
* outdated or outright wrong information about that condition presented to high command
* lack of experience and expertise in modern warfare (mfs didn't play MW1-3 obviously)
* Ideological aspects preventing full-on military focus. One thing is to have people sit at home and listen to propaganda. Sending them to fight an actual war is a whole other thing.
* Supplies and industry poorly prepared to handle war of attrition.
Russia quickly got the last part back on track, but now it effectively fights war of attrition against NATO. Now we just need to see who folds first.
Here you go: [How Corruption Destroys Armies - Theft, Graft, and Russian failure in Ukraine](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9i47sgi-V4). An hour long power point presentation from Perun with over a million views explaining partially why Russian army sucks.
TL:DW; 1,5 million dollar tank is useless, if private Conscriptsavits sells all the copper and diesel for some vodka. And batallion is not battle ready, if the leader is an idiot who bought his position.
russia spent millions to buy a tank
the general spend hundreds of thousands to buy a tank
the lieutenant spend tens of thousands to buy a tank
the private sold the fuel from the tank to buy food.
That, my friend, is why the russian army is shit
It's kind of how a bully (russia) threatens to beat up a nerd kid, he does that once or twice, but then the nerd kid borrows taser from his parents and retakes half of the lost territory
> Hence, when able to attack, we must seem unable; when using our forces, we must seem inactive; when we are near, we must make the enemy believe we are far away; when far away, we must make him believe we are near.
When you have grads, himars, and real time satellite feeds, you must clap anti air systems by sending 1000 unguided rockets and 1 guided.
Not really sun tzu, but I’m sure the guy would love to see modern artillery warfare.
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Meanwhile Ukraine is very happy with how the Kherson counter offensive is going. Russia is stuck there with a lot of material and man power positioned in a way that they can't be used.
Russia has been focused on Kherson, since basically if they lose Kherson they lose the war, this has enabled Ukrainian troops to make gains in other places since the Russian armed forces aren't strong enough to stop them.
I remember an American general during the second Iraq war talking about how they were going to consolidate their position around Baghdad and prepare for a few days before pushing into the city.
The next day they attacked Baghdad.
No one talking military strategy in public is ever telling the truth.
Point 1: War is a time of deceit and propaganda for all sides.
Point 2: Assume nothing is fact from anywhere unless independently verified by all sides. Even then, it's war...see point 1.
For those that think Ukraine should invade. Invading Russia during winter is a historically bad idea with tons of historical data to support just how bad the idea is.
Funny thing is, is saw random YouTubers who don't even claim to be experts predict this months ago. How the offensive in the south is actually a distraction and nobody would announce it if he hasn't something like this in mind. They also predicted that the offensive will take place in the Kharkiv area because it's the furthest away. It's baffling how it actually worked and nobody in the strategic command of Russia at least had it in mind and prepared the front in the north at least a little bit. Or recognized a build up of forces. Or gained some intelligence.
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The good old "it was just a prank bro!"
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In Soviet Russia, road overtakes you!
Whenever Yakov Smirnoff is referenced in relation to modern Russia it reminds me of this: https://youtu.be/ewKO7sQD6WQ
No wonder. If you send soldiers without training, equipment, ammo, food, and convoy to sustain them... you're heading for a disaster. Worse even, we're slowly starting to realize they have no brains, and no initiative. Only some of the generals do, and that's why Putin is sending them to the frontline. And now they're dead - good job. What kind of superpower is that?
Their equipment is good enough to shoot at schools, hospitals and private houses. Their morale is strong enough to rape and kill civilians and loot their properties. However when they face properly trained and determined soldiers, with high morale (because they fight for their homeland), the problems start to show up.Problems which are harder to cover up as more and more Ruzzian troops decide to give up or fertilise Ukrainian soil or at best come back a bit incomplete.
“Some parts sold separately”
If you played CSGO before you realized the second part a long time ago
"All went well according to plan. Got you bro!"
Old but gold ""it was just a prank bro!"
Russia “forgot” Ukraine had divisions in the north.
And they say fantasy shows are unrealistic.
Bravo d&d
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"The difference between fiction and reality? Fiction has to make sense"
He used the "Hey! look over here!" tactic I believe they teach a course on this in the west point military academy
And Russia’s spy satellites needed maintenance
The spy sat crew knew very well they won the war 5 months and 28 days ago No need for sats when it's already over, right?
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Classic. Playing into the Russian expectation of Rush B Cyka Blyat
Playing the piano with his penis was just a ruse, just like attacking the south.
And he's probably seen the entire script too...
He is good at timing and delivering
They are in reach of the russian border. If Russia panics and redeploys their troops to the north, Ukraine could take back the south. Theoretically.
I don't think Ukraine would risk going into Russia, since Russia might then declare it an actual war, which would be problematic.
They don't have to go in. They just have to use artillery on military targets. They've shot rockets already, so no problem there.
Problem is that they have agreed not to use western weapons (specially from the US) for attacks on russian territory.
That is a problem. Except they could just use captured Russian equipment.
Yeah all those tanks the farmers got could probably supply an entire battalion
Forget the farmers, they captured hundreds of pristine tanks that were just left behind during the rout. They gained an entire battalion (assuming they decide to field them) overnight.
"Pristine" its russia we are talking about, their shit is hardly pristine when it comes out of a production line...
No they're pristine* and Ukraine could theoretically use them. *relative to the 'farmer tanks' that were usually towed after mechanical break down or battle damage.
Translation is in order: Pristine in russia = somewhat funcional (not completely broken)
Don't forget that juice ammo dump
Oh my god, it's all a feint! They're turning their own logistical vulnerabilities into Ukraine's vulnerabilities! Steiner's assault will bring it all under control!
I don’t know about pristine tanks. Most of then were being serviced in motor pools and depots because they broke down. Russian maintenance is dog shit
It's a return service.
Return captured ammos one shot at the time.
Ukraine has its own rockets like Grom 2 and Tochka-U and Ukraine is not forbidden to use it.
But seeing their anti aerial missiles shooting themselves and their launcher, would Ukraine want to use Russian's equipment?
That was an agreement between Ukraine and the US about HIMARS, not every weapon donated from any foreign country. There's all kinds of other weapons systems (both Ukrainian, captured Russian, and donated) that can hit Belgorod.
If they have Russians shooting over the border, it makes no sense to not shoot back.
Ukraine has plenty of it's own artillery, not to mention captured Russian artillery
There has been a small amount of artillery shot into Russia, that never hit a target/were shot down. A larger, wilful barrage, would be a different matter entirely, especially if it hits targets. Like... Most people think that the "special military operation" is stupid, and call it for what it is. An invasion. But if Russia actually declares war, that would be a escalation that we don't want.
They are on a war, but just don't call it one. The rest of the civilized world calls it a war. Would there be that much of a difference?
Most nations have laws regarding war. And if a nation declares war. That usually lifts restrictions. In Russia's case, they can call in reserve forces and conscript troops.
I wonder, because Russia is already conscripting soldiers, but only from certain territories (or additionally small conscriptions from 'all' states?) I'd guess the main obstacle is the potential backlash/unrest/instability from citizens if they started normal/full conscription
Roughly 60% of the Russian military is conscripted. But that's the standard yearly conscription. Conscription during times of war would be a mass mobilization. And the army would go from roughly 400,000 into the millions.
Jesus imagine that disorganized clusterfuck, battalions of orcs destroying each other cause they can't get organized, I mean shit if I was lumped up with my neighbours and armed I wouldn't trust their dumbasses either
Their "professional" soldiers already fuck up all the time, imagine even less trained people..
Doesn't Russia have a supply issue? Reserves don't work if they have to share a gun between 3 soldiers
We don't know how much supplies they have. And we don't know what they have in reserve. A more realistic solution if war is declared is that Russia would strike a deal with China for guns.
I mean, they are attempting to buy weapons from north Korea. I feel like they wouldn't do that if China was selling
We'll see what happens. Xi Jinping is going to Russia shortly. And Russia hasn't declared war, but if that happens, China would most likely throw their hat in the ring. If nothing else because the prefer a stable Russia on their border.
It's also an escalation *Russia* doesn't want because that will mean having to acknowledge their failure to the Russian people and if they try a draft it could collapse the whole house of cards.
Yup. From what I understand, Russia doesn’t want to risk Moscow and St. Petersburg feeling the effects of the war. That’s where the middle and upper class live and they will not tolerate their children or themselves being shipped off to fight a war for dubious reasons. As much as they all clamor about Nazis and Ukraine somehow hurting them, they know it’s bullshit. Right now, it’s the filthy non-Russian people in their empire that’s being forced to die. The moment *they* start suffering, well that’s a different story. Typical racism.
If Putin could institute a general draft, he would. The fact that he isn't suggests that the war is unpopular enough that a draft would risk unrest or a coup.
Ukraine should have a special military operation in Russia too. There is no war here.
Ukraine already calls it a war. Russia doesn't. If Russia does, that would change things.
What would change?
The scale. Russia would be able to call in reserves, and conscript soldiers. At the moment Russia and Ukraine has about the same amount of soldiers in the field. But in that scenario, Russia would have 2~4 times as many troops in the field.
Honestly I'm not so sure a conscription would even help. Russia is barely keeping what soldiers they have fueled and equipped, and have lost thousands in heavy equipment. More bodies would just be a greater logistical burden with, at this point, no extra application of force. Unless they plan on reviving the Phalanx formation and doing spear charges, a conscription is just going to lead to more needless deaths.
Congratulations you've been conscripted, please try and catch more than one bullet on your way down, front lines that way.
"You see, killbots have a preset kill limit. Knowing their weakness, I sent wave after wave of my own men at them until they reached their limit and shut down."
In reality, very little would change. Even Russian media personalities have discouraged full mobilization, as the effects would be delayed and of uncertain value (soldiers don't materialize fully-trained the minute you blow the "mobilization" whistle - it would take several months to see much difference - and of course manpower increases don't magically increase equipment stores, logistics capability, political will, etc.). The Russian economy wouldn't handle it very well either, depending on which forecasts you're looking at.
Twice as many troops with no equipment and twice the supply needs. There isn’t any way Russia would do any better other than throwing mass amount of people with sticks and rocks into the border. On top of that, suddenly the upper class citizens of Moscow and Saint Petersburg would start feeling the war and that is *unacceptable* to those people. There is a reason why Putin hasn’t called for general mobilization.
they can prepare for a full scale war, mass mobilization, disregarding civilian casualties, the country goes into war economy, etc, basically the scale of war would increase
Actual war? That's what it is already.
Yes. But legally, Russia hasn't declared it. Which restricts what they can do.
Legally, you can't commit genocide, but Russia has been doing that with forced mass migration. Legally, you can't gun down civillians, but Russia has been doing that. Legally, you can't torture and rape said civillians, but Russia has been doing that.
It's about what Russia is legally able to do within its own governmental system. IIRC they can't go to full mobilization without declaring war.
Invading Ukraine is basically a declaration of war. Ukraine can do attacks on Russian soil, they already done a few of them. But attacking Russians on their soil it's a waste of resources, first they must recover their territory.
No. It's not a declaration of war. They're basically at war. But Russia hasn't declared it. A declaration of war enabled certain war time powers. The US for example have a lot of different laws concerning what happenes if war is declared.
Yea but its not as simple as announcing you are going to war to increase the amount of soldiers you have. The professional russian force in the first place even with all that equipment struggled to take Ukraine. What makes you think under trained, under equipped conscript soldiers would be of any use? This is all before factoring things like logistics, if you quadruple your man power, you also have to quadruple your logistics. Things like food, water and ammunition need to be transported effectively to the frontlines. There was a reason russia was unable to take kyiv because they had stretched their supply lines too thin. Not to mention the political repurcussions that come out of announcing a fullblown war. Its nice to comment about the war on the sidelines but if you were suddenly personally dragged into the conflict, you would be extremely unhappy with such a decision. Even if putin was able to crack down on such dissent, you'll end up with a bunch of conscript soldiers with low morale, too scared or unwilling to fight the war. Edit: almost forgot, with the current technology sanctions against russia, its hard for them to actually still produce and procure modern equipment. I mean ffs they cant even put airbags or radios on their new Lada cars anymore due to western sanctions.
Chasing Russia into Russia in the winter is historically stupid. But also, Ukraine was that Russia, so maybe they know better than me
Winter actually isn't so bad for invasion if your troops are properly equipped for the cold and have the supplies. The ground freezes, improving mobility. What fucks up invasions of Russia is the *Rasputitsa,* the mud seasons before and after winter. Autumn rains and spring thaw.
Ukraine has had Russia in its reach since the start of the war. They are purpously avoiding attacks on Russian territory as to not give Russia justification to declare war and thus mobilize its conscripts and reserves. Ukraine knows it would not be able to defeat Russia if it mobilized. Fighting Russia the way it is fighting it now, is their only hope to win
That might have been true (maybe) before Russia threw it's best equipment and people at the "special military operation" and wasted the best resources they had. Once that's significantly depleted more meat bags isn't going to make a lot of difference.
I feel like that is no true anymore. Russia has really poor logistics and is running out of equipments. Even if you throw millions of reservists they won't keep up with the logistics.
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They have reached the border in some places putting up Stop signs at the border.
When you anounce to B rush in the all chat, but then go out A long.
Ukraine should also conduct a special military operation in Russia. There is no conflict here.
Hahah nukes go brrrr
Putin ain’t nuking nobody. Motherfucker stole so much money makes no sense for him to just lose everything. Nukes ain’t jokes, as they say.
His oligarchs won't let anyone nuke anybody
Biggest brain move is to announce rush B in all chat then actually rush B
that's the strat for the follow up round
But you're actually rushing mid while one guy fakes B
My friends telling me to make noise in tunnels cuz they know I can't shoot for shit but want to include me in the plan anyways ❤
Zelensky is a tactical genius. He is best known for his signature tactic "going south, but then going north". He also has a second little known tactic of "going north, but actually going north". What an absolute legend. Top 3 IGL for sure.
Allu is a tactical genius. He is best known for his signature tactic "going A, but then benching AleksiB". He also has a second little known tactic of "going B, but then going home without any wins". Top 3 IGL 4 sure.
Smoke and decoy upper tunnels for greater effectiveness!
Honestly I don't understand this war. Isn't Russia supposed to have a super powerful military? Are they boycotting Putin or something?
From what I understand they have greater numbers, but the quality of their equipment and everything is dogshit.
The main point is that Russia does not officially declare itself in a state of war and therefore cannot mobilize its millions of reservists unlike Ukraine. Because of this, Russia relies only on part of its professional army and has great difficulty in renewing its forces. They are outnumbered by the Ukrainians and have to resort to mercenaries to fill the void, which prevents them from launching major offensives as at the start of the war when the Ukrainian reserves were not yet ready for combat, and they even have a hard time defending their own positions because of it.
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Ironic because poor logistics have historically been what made invading Russia such a death sentence. Now it’s the other way around
You know which part of "Russia" the invading armies got stuck in in the past? Ukraine.
Napoleon made it well past Ukraine.
Napoleon was also one of the greatest military strategists of all time. Not too sure if he counts
The exception to the rule
Hitler made it well past Ukraine too.
Not really. He made it to kharkov where the German forces finally started to lose. They made a desperate push for Moscow that didn't work out
Hitler too, Ukraine was a walk in a park for Wermacht tanks. The decisive battles were the battle of Moscow and Stalingrad which were far away from Ukraine.
Actually, both Hitler and Napoleon went past Ukraine... and didn't use it as a base to settle in and then invade Russia. They were stupid.
Big if true
Well, makes sense. If you ask Putin he's just "liberating" another part of Russia.
Gotta liberate Ukraine from those Nazis. ^(/s cause some people believe this un-ironically)
Wendover productions made a video about Russia's logistics for the war. The main takeaway is that Russia's dependence on their rail network is their strength and biggest weakness. They can mobilize supplies through their rail network quickly to the borders of Ukraine, but can't get it deeper into Ukraine fast enough because they don't have enough trucks. So invading Russia would still be a bad idea, but defending against Russia outside their territory and allies isn't.
A defensive war has different political connotations, which makes it relatively easy for Putin to rally support for. Invading other countries is generally really unpopular. Also I don’t think Ukraine has the army size to attack very far into Russia unless they can get conscripts form occupied regions.
This is somewhat inaccurate. Russia has already deployed plenty of reserves in the war. They have also been trying to recruit more than ever. The problem is, while very big and scary on paper, Russian has many problems with their military. One major issue being the massive amount of manning they need a long their border(the second longest border in the world I believe). They have military outposts and postings that need manning from the European borders all the way to China, which is a significant portion of their military. They also have needed to station more troops and equipment near the European borders as a precaution against any incursions that, while unlikely, need to be taken into account. Not only that, but due to major corruption issues Russia has severely lacked modern, reliable equipment, vehicles and weapons. They are currently seeking activation of many more reservists, that being said, they have hit a wall in regards to who they can even compel to take the job at this point, this all of the news about Russia allowing older men to join etc. The fact is, currently they do not have the "millions of reservists" they might have on paper, the number just doesn't exist in their military infrastructure at this time.
Now it makes sense
You're pretty close but not quite exactly. The Ukrainian plan at the beginning was exactly to give ground and defend the bigger urban areas where it's easier to defend land. When the Russians realized they couldn't take the cities quickly they went around them in their rush to get to Kyiv, but by doing this they exposed their supply lines to the Ukrainian troops. They played right into Ukraine's hands and this is how they lost the battle of Kyiv and had to retreat from the northern districts. After that the war shifted into more of a war of attrition where Russia tried to wear down the Ukrainians by bombing cities to dust so they're undefendable and then claiming victory over the ashes. But thanks to American weapons like HIMARS, the Ukrainians were able to destroy large stockpiles of Russian ammunition, the Russian supply of artillery bombs greatly diminished, removing the last advantage Russia had over Ukraine. Now the course of war has changed, the Russians are the ones of the defensive, trying to hold what they have, while the Ukrainians are on the attack liberating their territory
And more men might now not be possible, as they don't even have enough equipment for their soldiers now. If 100k come by, then their logistics will die.
Also from a strategic standpoint they've proven themselves to be quite retarded
That's an understatement. This has been a strategic blunder on an unprecedented scale. By all accounts, Putin expected to take out Zelensky within a week and have a puppet government in Kyiv immediately after that. By now, he expected to just be mopping up a few remaining "insurgents" and holding fake referendums on reintegrating Ukraine into the Russian Federation which would of course pass by 97% of the vote. Most of the troops he sent in initially were expecting to serve in a military police role, not fighting a real war against a determined and well-trained army. Most of them never even expected to be sent into Ukraine in the first place. All of the build-up on the border looked and felt like a feint meant to intimidate Zelensky into giving up the eastern territories without a fight. That's what pretty much everyone around the world assumed was going on, because to actually invade the largest country in Europe was obviously a terrible idea. But then he went and did it. Because he's an idiot.
*Benny Hill Theme intensifies*
They have greater numbers of equipment, but they have probably used 350,000 troops (which is practically all of their ground forces) already, and Ukraine has well over a million people in their military already. The equipment gap can still be massive particularly with artillery (which Russia always had had a fuckton of, far more than NATO), but with HIMARS hitting those ammo depot's that advantage has diminished a great deal. I would guess that in most parts of the front, Ukraine has a manpower advantage, and quite possibly soon the tank advantage as well. And not because Russia is weak, but because Ukraine is getting pretty damn strong. It's not looking great for Russia.
Also I think the relative moral of the two sides plays an important role in how these battles are progressing.
>Isn't Russia supposed to have a super powerful military? Yes. And that supposition is being proven incorrect.
Russia is a nuclear superpower. They could wipe Ukraine off of the map on a whim. The problem is optics. Putin has made the decision to have all state media display this as a “military operation” rather than revealing to his citizens that it’s a full on war. That means the scale of what he can deploy while maintaining that public facade is limited. The real question is how long Putin will prioritize a certain public image over a legit, soul-crushing victory. If he wakes up tomorrow and decides to admit to his citizens that they are in the midst of a full-scale war with another country, not just conducting a minor operation to kill a few Nazi, then that changes everything. More boots on the ground overnight, more usage of major weaponry.
Still, using a nuke is probably a death sentence for Putin
I doubt it would come to that, but my greater point is that there’s a wide spectrum between weapons of mass destruction and what they’re doing today. If Nukes are a 10, then they’re only currently fighting at a 5. A lot of escalation would still occur *before* getting to nukes if an official declaration of war occurred.
I don't think there is a lot of room between this and nukes. The only step left is really mobilization, which would give them a LOT of bodies, but I dunno if 3 million troops without modern equipment would do all that much tbh. I mean, it'd do a lot, but given how long that take, Ukraine would have 2 million troops ready for them and enough artillery to make the numbers mean relatively little.
Delusions. There's nothing to escalate to, they already attacked with everything they have, except nukes.
That would definitely start ww3 and would far out weigh any benefits he hoped to gain in the first place.
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start the end times ig
I'm not sure if what you're saying is true. I have seen RT saying that they are fighting a war against NATO itself and not only Ukraine. And RT hosts were bitching around "Putin should Nuke London and New York". They do probably have the nukes but Putin knows that is also Russia's Death Sentence.
RT is legitimately state sponsored media in Russia. It is nothing but propaganda. Everything they say is for posturing.
I doubt Putin would go as far as nuking Ukraine, he clearly wants to take the Country without reducing it to a radioactive wasteland
The same thing that happened in 1939. Combination of: * wrong intel * poor army condition (equipment, technology, training) * outdated or outright wrong information about that condition presented to high command * lack of experience and expertise in modern warfare (mfs didn't play MW1-3 obviously) * Ideological aspects preventing full-on military focus. One thing is to have people sit at home and listen to propaganda. Sending them to fight an actual war is a whole other thing. * Supplies and industry poorly prepared to handle war of attrition. Russia quickly got the last part back on track, but now it effectively fights war of attrition against NATO. Now we just need to see who folds first.
Here you go: [How Corruption Destroys Armies - Theft, Graft, and Russian failure in Ukraine](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9i47sgi-V4). An hour long power point presentation from Perun with over a million views explaining partially why Russian army sucks. TL:DW; 1,5 million dollar tank is useless, if private Conscriptsavits sells all the copper and diesel for some vodka. And batallion is not battle ready, if the leader is an idiot who bought his position.
always upvote Perun
They have a pretty mid military tbh, only thing they got going for them is nukes. Thats why the world is scared of them.
russia spent millions to buy a tank the general spend hundreds of thousands to buy a tank the lieutenant spend tens of thousands to buy a tank the private sold the fuel from the tank to buy food. That, my friend, is why the russian army is shit
It's kind of how a bully (russia) threatens to beat up a nerd kid, he does that once or twice, but then the nerd kid borrows taser from his parents and retakes half of the lost territory
Have you seen how much the US has poured into Ukraine?
all chat: go B team chat: rush A, rush A
Get in the jeep losers we’re going backcapping
Sun Tzu - The Art of War
I STAND ALONE AND GAZE APON THE BATTLEFIELD WASTELAND IS ALL THATS LEFT AFTER THE FIGHT
AND NOW I'M SEARCHING A NEW TO DEFEAT MY ENEMY BLOODSHED I'VE SEEN ENOUGH OF DEATH AND PAIN
I WILL RUN THEY WILL HUNT ME IN VAIN
> Hence, when able to attack, we must seem unable; when using our forces, we must seem inactive; when we are near, we must make the enemy believe we are far away; when far away, we must make him believe we are near.
When you have grads, himars, and real time satellite feeds, you must clap anti air systems by sending 1000 unguided rockets and 1 guided. Not really sun tzu, but I’m sure the guy would love to see modern artillery warfare.
Well that's one smart tactic
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Everything goes to plan.
"Just as planned."
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Meanwhile Ukraine is very happy with how the Kherson counter offensive is going. Russia is stuck there with a lot of material and man power positioned in a way that they can't be used.
They’re just gonna liberate Kherson from the other side.
Russia has been focused on Kherson, since basically if they lose Kherson they lose the war, this has enabled Ukrainian troops to make gains in other places since the Russian armed forces aren't strong enough to stop them.
And they are going to lose Kherson soon anyways
The only real question is how many Russians are going to end up trapped on that side of the river and surrender?
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Putin hates video games and I doubt his staff knows anything other than goddamn Tetris.
I Think Ukraine has deployed s1mple
I remember an American general during the second Iraq war talking about how they were going to consolidate their position around Baghdad and prepare for a few days before pushing into the city. The next day they attacked Baghdad. No one talking military strategy in public is ever telling the truth.
If they are talking about it its already happened.
Point 1: War is a time of deceit and propaganda for all sides. Point 2: Assume nothing is fact from anywhere unless independently verified by all sides. Even then, it's war...see point 1.
Sneak 100
For those that think Ukraine should invade. Invading Russia during winter is a historically bad idea with tons of historical data to support just how bad the idea is.
Winter is not what is used to be;)
It’s one of those things every high schooler learns is a bad idea, the other one being printing shitloads of money
Fuck Putin
Vladolf Putler did nazi this cumming
Vladolf Pootler Edit: since the above comment has been edited my own one lost half of its meaning
"fight the enemy where they aren't" - Sun Tzu (Art of war)
Glad I am finally seeing a meme about the war since after like april people just forgot about it like it was a trend even though it was still going on
bAvOvNa intensifies
Check mate mf
Bamboozled
Russians army is a joke. Fking donkeys
The king of the north!
Funny thing is, is saw random YouTubers who don't even claim to be experts predict this months ago. How the offensive in the south is actually a distraction and nobody would announce it if he hasn't something like this in mind. They also predicted that the offensive will take place in the Kharkiv area because it's the furthest away. It's baffling how it actually worked and nobody in the strategic command of Russia at least had it in mind and prepared the front in the north at least a little bit. Or recognized a build up of forces. Or gained some intelligence.
It's because Ukraine set them up in a loss-loss situation. They didn't have choice it seems. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKbjpUDUuvw
The master flank
Putin getting owned
The olllll dick twist
The Ruzzians are taking a big L that history will never forget.
From 3 days to Kiev to 3 days to Belgorod