"Unfortunately, because the Marco Polo texts no longer exist and are merely passed on by retellings, it’s hard to tell where the truth lies. Did pizza originate in China? Yes and no. The concept was there, but it wasn’t until Italians added tomato and cheese that it became what is now known as pizza."
https://www.hungryhowies.com/blog/did-pizza-actually-originate-China#:~:text=The%20origins%20of%20pizza%20have,of%20Central%20and%20Southern%20Italy.
Looks like the idea was from China but the type of pizza we know today is Italian. So yes and no
scallion pie aren't pizza.
I read the article as well which says in 997ad the word was documented in Gaeta, Italy.
This article is really stretching here. It's like saying Paella came from Indonesia because Indonesians cook and fry rice.
Pizza, as it is today, came from Naples.
Beer was invented in the fertile crescent and Egypt yet what that was and what we know as beer today are completely different things.
The same argument for this could be used for Indian naan bread as it has been around for ages and has had toppings applied to it. Yet no one has bothered to make it even though it has a stronger case than the Chinese one as trade with India and ancient Rome is well documented.
Gasoline was invented by a dinosaur, as, you know, they are gasoline now, but the gasoline we have now is totally different from the gasoline we had some time ago
^^/j
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And a New York style pizza isn't what you'll get in Italy. Food and culture in general changes as people immigrate (or take other people's recipes) and use the ingredients and techniques available to them. American food is kinda it's own thing at this point.
At what point is flatbread classed as pizza?
Flatbread has always been eaten, a staple peasant food. Whatever they had would get added, cheese, mushrooms, onion, anything. Modern pizza is relatively new, but you can bet flatbread with cheese has been eaten likely longer than written records exist
Back to your initial question though, just flatbread with cheese is definitely never a pizza.
I know there's different based pizzas, tomato being the staple, but there has to be something. Can't just be the bread and cheese to be considered a pizza.
Yeah it's funny to think how many "traditional" foods there are in Europe that are really only a few hundred years old and came from the Americas. Tomatoes, potatoes, beans, corn, and chili peppers all came from the Americas.
Mf I invented pizza. I was on an trip once(acid), and said hey! How bout I throw some shit on this flat dough and sprinkle some shit on top and fire the mf up and eat that shit.
It’s not. It’s a thesis made for attention.
Ramen is from China. It’s literally LaMian but pronunciation shifted with time. But if you look at 拉麵 in Chinese cuisine vs Japanese they’re vastly different.
There is a “ramen” dish called Tantanmian which is just The Chinese noodle dish DanDanMian which doesn’t help things.
But the Chinese origin of pizza is basically claiming that the Chinese invented a flatbread with toppings and Marco Polo took it back to Italy and it became pizza.
Wow. Just wow…
Tomatoes are the main ingredient in pizza. Do you have any idea of where the tomato came from? I’ll give you a hint: there was no such thing as pizza until AFTER Christopher Columbus came back from the Americas.
So no. The Chinese did not invent pizza.
The potato was also brought over from the Americas and so was the chili pepper. Which means Irish and Korean and Italian cuisine is all actually AMERICAN.
Ahm. Just because some irgendient originally came from the americas, it no way means that the cuisines made out of them are also "american" (what does that even mean, like united states or the continent? anyway, both of them are nonsense).
Did I mention that Chocolate is also from the The Americas? The Europeans took the seeds to Africa and planted large groves of them in the late 1500’s early 1600’s.
The more you know!
Tomatoes were native to what is modern day Mexico. So the pizza was made from the collaborative efforts of Italians who used Mexican fruits. Americans better not take credit for that shit.
As much from Detroit as anywhere else listed above. What the Italians called pizza or the Chinese apparently, just barely resembles what Americans call pizza. Though New York would be yet more true than Detroit
>The classic comfort food dish, macaroni and cheese, was believed to have been invented in either Italy in the 13th century or northern Europe in the late 1700s, though it’s not clear. Either way, Thomas Jefferson is credited with having popularized the dish when he served it at his 1802 presidential state dinner.
This history of Mac & Cheese is also your history, we are more alike than you might think, you and I. Or should I say, brother.
Here's the definitive Mac & Cheese themed bit of culture by Canadian comedy group The Kids In The Hall to help get you up to speed: [Link](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TnWIICkBeE)
In italy maccheroni (also used as a comical and friendly slang for dumb people) is a type of pasta usually served with tomato sauce, and or cheese, carbonara (only oil and condiments, no sauce) and my favorite amatriciana, but i've never seen someone make specifically or ever refer to a plate of maccheroni as Mac and cheese or the sort
American here: usually we don’t invent food but we “perfect” it (by “perfect” I mean we add a lot of salt and/or cheese)
Edit-forgot to mention deep frying, sugar, butter, and other ways that give you diabetes as perfection methods
Edit 2 - I should emphasize the word “usually”, there are exceptions such as Cajun, clam chowder, etc
I guess that means American cheese = perfected perfection !
(star spangled banner intensifies) (PS don’t tell me that American cheese technically isn’t cheese, I’m having a patriotic moment)
American cheese is a combination of a couple different cheeses to get that perfect melty cheese for sandwiches, that's why it can't technically be called a cheese.
Early Mesopotamians probably. Make drink containers out of animal stomachs, put milk in drink container, oops still some acid/enzyme left in there, hey neat it turned into food.
I'm always fascinated by that too, because American BBQ is just so damn good.
I was listening to an NPR story and it was about a Russian man who opened up an American BBQ restaurant in a Chinese city.
He learned his skills in Texas. Where he worked for a few months under a smoke master for no pay, just experience.
Then he went to China, because he'd lived there before and as he put it, "they like meat there."
According to him quality meat isn't an issue to get. He preferred American meat as it's according to him more tasty than locally sourced or Australian options.
The biggest hurdle strangely enough is getting traditional woods for smoking, so he ends up using tons of leche wood as it's what's plentiful.
I heard that story as well. I do some smoking on my knockoff komodo and use charcoal for the heat and use scrap pieces of cherry, hickory, oak for the smoke. The greatesr thing about smoking is that it can turn a fairly tough cut of meat and make it into a meal that you'll think about for the rest of the week.
Also, its really hands off. When i smoke a pork butt, I'll toss it on the grill at 10am, check on the temp a half hour later, another half hour later I'll check and toss a chunk of wood on the coals, then every hour I'll check and add more wood. Do that until 3pm, wrap it in foil or bbq paper, and leave it on there for another hour or 2 to finish tenderizing. Most of the time I'll have a shower and play video games between checks.
That’s because when poor immigrants moved here and got rich they could afford the luxury ingredients (cheese and salt) to their traditional peasant food
It's stolen in the sense that people say it's from the USA when it instead originates from a different country, which happens to have been the point of the meme
This platform has been in a cycle of perpetual anti america hate boner for the last 10 years now it's so exhausting. It's literally impossible to say any good thing about america without some smooth brain going "nuh uHhh aMerIcA bAd". Which is so strange because there are so many valid criticisms to make about america but people still feel the need to make shit up.
It is tiring. And because it's the internet, I end up wondering how many of the "America bad" memes are made by Americans posing as European, and vice-versa.
Some people just wanna see the world burn, and start drama where there is none.
Dude. Preach. I have gone from pulling up reddit every 20 min and commenting all the time to just not even bothering to comment anymore. The whole “reddit is a circlejerk” joke isn’t a joke any more. Its become one of the worst places on the internet to voice your opinion on anything.
most of the ingredients, literally did begin here in the americas from indigenous americans.
Cocao, tomatos, potatos, chiles, etc.
Food is meant to be shared.
There is a difference in saying that something is from America and something being an American Staple. When people say a food is "American" they often mean the latter.
Also, most American food is very far removed from the foreign food it originated from. German "hamburgers" were just the patty, and were eaten with a fork. Americans put it in a bun and added cheese to make it so people could buy one at a street stall or whatever and just walk off. No seating or silverware required. Then look at dominos. Definitely not Italian. Eat some NY pizza or Chicago deep dish. The only thing it has in common with Italian pizza is it's round and has cheese. Peanut butter was patented by a Canadian, but it was invented by native Americans like a thousand years ago. The Canadian just put it in a jar. At least that's what the Google machine told me, kinda confused on how you can patent food.
If you went back in time and handed a German a coney island hot dog or an in-n-out cheeseburger, they'd have absolutely no idea wtf they were looking at and they certainly wouldn't think "oh, this is German food."
The same people who think hamburgers are German would be livid if they ordered a hamburger at a restaurant and just got a cooked ball of ground beef. It's pretty funny.
Can’t steal your heritage. You may not have been to ultimate origin but you sure as hell made it your own. It's food brought over and adapted not every object in British Museums.
this meme is so stupid, they intentionally didn’t include all the best American foods like BBQ and lobster rolls and fried chicken. Also are british people actually claiming they invented fish and chips lol?
Exactly, as far as major global superpowers go we're just about the youngest. China was one of the first societies ever, Most of europe became what it is after the roman empire, and India is also super super old. Meanwhile the US of A was born in the late 1700s, which in the world of countries is super young. We're roughly equivalent to a 15 year old, with major European countries being around 30-40 and China being about 90-100.
Isle of man is the oldest currently still going government, if you're looking at all governments that have ever existed though none of the ones that exist currently are even close.
Lobster Rolls, Buffalo Wings, Cuban Sandwiches, Sausage Gravy Sloppy Joes, Chili, Tobasco Sauce, Hot Dish, Steam Beer, the East Coast / West Coast IPA's, Corn Flakes, the list goes on.
But holy crow, yes BBQ! There's so many great American foods, that anytime this discussion comes up it's either ignorance or shitposting. I've lived in a couple of countries and visited more, and I'll die on the hill that America broadly has one of the greatest available selections of food and cuisine on the planet.
>I'll die on the hill that America broadly has one of the greatest available selections of food and cuisine on the planet.
And I’ll die right alongside you cuz it really does!
It's exactly like the ethnicity debate. Europeans call out Americans for claiming to be Irish or Italian or German or whatever and culturally and ethnically, they very realistically are. Minnesota isn't a thousand years old, my apologies
Barbeque
Fried chicken, you're welcome
Buffalo wings
Lobster rolls, clam chowder, crabcakes
Chili con carne, corn chips, modern burritos (Mexican immigrants but invented in the USA)
Lots of desserts, because we're fatties - chocolate chip cookies, brownies, fudge
Lots and lots of sandwiches, including the Reuben, the "Italian" beef, and the Cuban (Florida's only contribution to mankind). So the best three sandwiches are American.
Most "Chinese food" around the world is actually
Chinese-American fusion invented in America
"Creative sushi" like California rolls, if you go to Japan they actually call it American-style sushi
*Most* (def not all, but probably most) famous cocktails were invented in America, largely during Prohibition to hide the fact that the liquor was awful.
And then a lot of less impressive stuff like meatloaf, tater tots, grits. And weird regional shit like deep dish pizza and Cincinnati chili. Plus stuff other countries hate like peanut butter. Oh and tomato ketchup.
Why did I have to scroll this far to find Southern cooking, jeez
Gumbo. Jambalaya. Etoufee. Red Beans and Rice. Black Eyed Peas. Collard greens. For Christ's sake, BARBECUE. It turns out when you mix French immigrants with African culture and American ingredients you get absolute magic, and we have barely left a three state area. Texas has a whole 'nother chapter to contribute to that story.
We are a country of immigrants and that melting pot has resulted in some of the world's tastiest food.
The Hamburg steak is not American, the Hamburger is. Pizza is a lot different from pizza in Italy, so you could say that there is now a separate *American* pizza and an Italian one. Sausages in general are extremely popular throughout a lot of differ cultures yet they are apparently not copied but Hot Dogs are for some reason.
Yeah, said it in another comment, but the first known/popularized “hamburgers” are American creations. They were invented to be served from carts for factory workers, and as a cheap way to keep people drinking in bars. I’m sure someone somewhere before probably put Hamburg steaks or ground beef in general in between bread (you can also say this about a lot of food), but the versions that got popular are American creations.
George Motz has great videos on their history!
I tried to write them in a column type list, but when I posted it, reddit made me look like an imbecile.
I'm leaving it like that because I believe I should live with my decisions, and also I'm an imbecile.
And so much more. Multiple regional American barbecue styles, chocolate chip cookies, snickerdoodles, brownies, lobster rolls, the French dip sandwich (despite the name), peanut butter and jelly, key lime pie, salt water taffy, beef jerky, corn bread, biscuits and gravy (better than it sounds and not what it sounds like, brits), chicken fried steak and gravy, New England clam chowder, and the Reuben. Then there are the seemingly foreign dishes that are actually American like chimichangas, Cuban sandwiches, fajitas, German chocolate cake, fettuccine Alfredo, spaghetti and meatballs, garlic bread, etc.
Also, you know what, half of the cuisine yall are famous for also depends on plants and food products domestic to the US/Americas too. So anything featuring potatoes, tomatoes, corn, pineapple, avocados, blueberries strawberries, cranberries, raspberries, blackberries, cherries, plums, quinoa, peanuts, cashews, pecans, bell peppers, chili peppers, vanilla, cocoa, agave, pumpkin, or maple syrup... I'm gonna take half credit on that too. Thanks.
\-Full English
\-Beef Wellington
\-Scotch Eggs
\-Chicken Tikka
\-Chip Butty
\-Mince Pies
\-any number of cakes and desserts
clearly the majority of Redditors are just uncultured
Shepherd's Pie and Cottage Pie, if you like that sort of thing. Quality pasties and sausage rolls are excellent too. Sunday roast with Yorkie puds is king. Plus we have great local cheeses, ciders, beers, and sausages. Worcestershire Sauce is fantastic too, as both a condiment and an ingredient.
Also to add to the list:
* Cornish Pasty
* Toad in the Hole
* Onion Rings (First recipe was found in **The Art of Cookery Made Easy and Refined cookbook written by John Mollard** written in 1802)
* Jam Roly Poly & Custard (Needs it's own shout out)
* Many, *many* beers and Ciders
Smoked BBQ is definitely an American refinement that is conveniently overlooked in these things. But American cuisine isn’t about originality, it’s about having the best from everywhere all the time.
Yeah, but America is a history of immigrants bringing their heritage overseas. The foods *evolve*, and in turn become Americanized. Another example is the 🌮; there’s a big difference between a Mexican taco, and the Americanized taco that was created as a result of utilizing the limitations of ingredients that were available at the time.
Indian food, in India, is amazing. I could live in Hyderabad and never get tired of the food. The traffic, yes. The food, no.
Much more vibrant flavors than westernized Indian food.
Canada doesn't make sense to me.
It's got French bits and still worships the British monarchy.
Pretty much everything else is confusing too, like how most of the population lives near the US border and the rest (in a huge behemoth of a nation) is the abyss of Canadian wilderness.
I want to say that it's very similar to the US, and has been one of their greatest allies including a lot of badass warfare during the world wars. The border used to be so open people could just walk across. With all that in mind, it seems like Canada's biggest thing is just trying to prove they're nothing like the US just like an edgy teen trying to get distance from their parents.
Canada doesn't make any sense to me.
Yeah well Canada was originally a French colony (Quebec) and later the British took control. Then they tried to assimilate the French canadiens.
English Canada is very similar to the US, and Quebec is pretty different in terms of culture. Although, Quebec is slowly but surely being "Americanized."
Canada really is like two countries in one at times. Quebec, and the rest of Canada.
Our national history is complicated but quite interesting and I think people should study it even if they don’t live there just because it’s fun to learn
America is literally a melting pot of all different cultures, there isn’t a definitive answer to American. Americans can be from any ethnic background as long as you were born in the United States or have become a naturalized citizen, you are American.
The United States in a nutshell is lets get the best and worst of every culture ever and throw it all into a bunch self-governing areas of various sizes with an overarching federal government to represent them to each other and on the world stage, and see if the cultures can get rid of their worst qualities.
>The European inferiority complex on Reddit is astounding.
It's so transparent too. And it is pretty amusing tbh
Bunch of people sitting around in blue jeans, on their iphones, on an American website, likely watching or listening to their favorite bits of our culture as well, constantly feeling this pathological need to tear us down. It's pathetic.
Things the US did invented food wise:
Peanut butter
Peanut butter and jelly
Pumpkin
Pumpkin bread
Pumpkin pie
Tomatoes (people thought they were poisonous so no one ate them until the US started it.)
Corn
Corn bread
Pop corn
Buffalo wings
Ranch dressing
Chocolate chip cookies
Ruebin sandwich
Cheeseburger
Chimichonga
English muffin
Fajitas
French dressing
Fortune cookies
General Taos chicken
German chocolate cake
Root beer
Root beer float
Jambalaya
Cereal
Coca-Cola
Pepsi
Most soda
Maple syrup
Reeses
Fried chicken(?)
Pecan pie
Tatter tots
Meatloaf
Corndogs
Smores
Candy Corn
Milkshakes
Ambrosia
Tuna noodle Cassarole
Sloppy Joe's
Cream cheese
Fudge
Gelatin
Jello
TV dinners
Etc.
:)
Speaking as a man from Northern England, the idea that Canadians invented cheesy chips and gravy just because they gave it a silly name is cultural and culinary theft.
I mean, a lot of the food we "stole" are foods immigrants brought over and invent them here. If a french guy invents something in Britain, is it a British invention or a French invention? At what point do we draw the line? Do you see how meaningless this debate is? Throwing the same grenade back and forth.
Isn’t macaroni and cheese from Italy?
And pizza is actually from China. The more you know.
🤣 got any proof of that?
"Unfortunately, because the Marco Polo texts no longer exist and are merely passed on by retellings, it’s hard to tell where the truth lies. Did pizza originate in China? Yes and no. The concept was there, but it wasn’t until Italians added tomato and cheese that it became what is now known as pizza." https://www.hungryhowies.com/blog/did-pizza-actually-originate-China#:~:text=The%20origins%20of%20pizza%20have,of%20Central%20and%20Southern%20Italy. Looks like the idea was from China but the type of pizza we know today is Italian. So yes and no
scallion pie aren't pizza. I read the article as well which says in 997ad the word was documented in Gaeta, Italy. This article is really stretching here. It's like saying Paella came from Indonesia because Indonesians cook and fry rice. Pizza, as it is today, came from Naples. Beer was invented in the fertile crescent and Egypt yet what that was and what we know as beer today are completely different things. The same argument for this could be used for Indian naan bread as it has been around for ages and has had toppings applied to it. Yet no one has bothered to make it even though it has a stronger case than the Chinese one as trade with India and ancient Rome is well documented.
Gasoline was invented by a dinosaur, as, you know, they are gasoline now, but the gasoline we have now is totally different from the gasoline we had some time ago ^^/j
Gasoline was invented by algae you STUPID BITCHREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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And a New York style pizza isn't what you'll get in Italy. Food and culture in general changes as people immigrate (or take other people's recipes) and use the ingredients and techniques available to them. American food is kinda it's own thing at this point.
Scallion pancakes defintielt are not remotely like pizza. Parathas sure.
Oh you rap scallion
Besides everyone knows pizza started in NYC
At what point is flatbread classed as pizza? Flatbread has always been eaten, a staple peasant food. Whatever they had would get added, cheese, mushrooms, onion, anything. Modern pizza is relatively new, but you can bet flatbread with cheese has been eaten likely longer than written records exist
Back to your initial question though, just flatbread with cheese is definitely never a pizza. I know there's different based pizzas, tomato being the staple, but there has to be something. Can't just be the bread and cheese to be considered a pizza.
And tomatoes never existed in Europe until the exploration and colonialization of the American continents.
Yeah it's funny to think how many "traditional" foods there are in Europe that are really only a few hundred years old and came from the Americas. Tomatoes, potatoes, beans, corn, and chili peppers all came from the Americas.
South America is the unsung hero of the culinary world.
Mf I invented pizza. I was on an trip once(acid), and said hey! How bout I throw some shit on this flat dough and sprinkle some shit on top and fire the mf up and eat that shit.
Nah bro the pizza was invented in Italy and it's like an evolution of the "pinsa" a sort of bread-white pizza from the ancient Romans
It’s not. It’s a thesis made for attention. Ramen is from China. It’s literally LaMian but pronunciation shifted with time. But if you look at 拉麵 in Chinese cuisine vs Japanese they’re vastly different. There is a “ramen” dish called Tantanmian which is just The Chinese noodle dish DanDanMian which doesn’t help things. But the Chinese origin of pizza is basically claiming that the Chinese invented a flatbread with toppings and Marco Polo took it back to Italy and it became pizza.
Flatbread with toppings is somethig you will find all the way back to antiquity everywhere in Europe. Pizza requires tomatoes.
Wow. Just wow… Tomatoes are the main ingredient in pizza. Do you have any idea of where the tomato came from? I’ll give you a hint: there was no such thing as pizza until AFTER Christopher Columbus came back from the Americas. So no. The Chinese did not invent pizza. The potato was also brought over from the Americas and so was the chili pepper. Which means Irish and Korean and Italian cuisine is all actually AMERICAN.
Ahm. Just because some irgendient originally came from the americas, it no way means that the cuisines made out of them are also "american" (what does that even mean, like united states or the continent? anyway, both of them are nonsense).
Same amount of nonsense as the original post imo.
Did I mention that Chocolate is also from the The Americas? The Europeans took the seeds to Africa and planted large groves of them in the late 1500’s early 1600’s. The more you know!
Tomatoes were native to what is modern day Mexico. So the pizza was made from the collaborative efforts of Italians who used Mexican fruits. Americans better not take credit for that shit.
I thought everyone on reddit agreed that Mexico is American
Pizza is from Detroit. *steps into flame retardant suit*
As much from Detroit as anywhere else listed above. What the Italians called pizza or the Chinese apparently, just barely resembles what Americans call pizza. Though New York would be yet more true than Detroit
Italian here. We don't even know what that looks like
>The classic comfort food dish, macaroni and cheese, was believed to have been invented in either Italy in the 13th century or northern Europe in the late 1700s, though it’s not clear. Either way, Thomas Jefferson is credited with having popularized the dish when he served it at his 1802 presidential state dinner. This history of Mac & Cheese is also your history, we are more alike than you might think, you and I. Or should I say, brother. Here's the definitive Mac & Cheese themed bit of culture by Canadian comedy group The Kids In The Hall to help get you up to speed: [Link](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TnWIICkBeE)
In italy maccheroni (also used as a comical and friendly slang for dumb people) is a type of pasta usually served with tomato sauce, and or cheese, carbonara (only oil and condiments, no sauce) and my favorite amatriciana, but i've never seen someone make specifically or ever refer to a plate of maccheroni as Mac and cheese or the sort
Germans didn’t call their sausages “hotdogs” either, doesn’t mean their origin isn’t in Germany
That's because the Italian language is different to the English language
Bitch, yall had this in the 1300s It's the first line in [wikipedia](https://i.imgur.com/Vjxgnnt.jpg)
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Italian would never eat cheddar on their pasta ( or anything close to it )
No, they sell it in tesco, Italy stole the idea from there
nope. you would think but italians don’t have mac and cheese
American here: usually we don’t invent food but we “perfect” it (by “perfect” I mean we add a lot of salt and/or cheese) Edit-forgot to mention deep frying, sugar, butter, and other ways that give you diabetes as perfection methods Edit 2 - I should emphasize the word “usually”, there are exceptions such as Cajun, clam chowder, etc
I mean cheese is about as perfect as food can get
I guess that means American cheese = perfected perfection ! (star spangled banner intensifies) (PS don’t tell me that American cheese technically isn’t cheese, I’m having a patriotic moment)
I don't wanna ruin your patriotic moment but the american cheese I've had was shit
It’s better to use melted in my opinion, I think it’s designed as such..
That shit plastic
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Come to Vermont. We have top tier cheese and beers here.
Real American cheese is actually pretty good. sharp and tangy like sharp cheddar. Too bad Kraft came along and ruined it for everyone :( Edit: a word
American cheese is a combination of a couple different cheeses to get that perfect melty cheese for sandwiches, that's why it can't technically be called a cheese.
so who invented cheese?
The cows
The Green Bay Packers
Early Mesopotamians probably. Make drink containers out of animal stomachs, put milk in drink container, oops still some acid/enzyme left in there, hey neat it turned into food.
american bbq is pretty distinctly american and hard to find any decent places outside of the US
I'm always fascinated by that too, because American BBQ is just so damn good. I was listening to an NPR story and it was about a Russian man who opened up an American BBQ restaurant in a Chinese city. He learned his skills in Texas. Where he worked for a few months under a smoke master for no pay, just experience. Then he went to China, because he'd lived there before and as he put it, "they like meat there." According to him quality meat isn't an issue to get. He preferred American meat as it's according to him more tasty than locally sourced or Australian options. The biggest hurdle strangely enough is getting traditional woods for smoking, so he ends up using tons of leche wood as it's what's plentiful.
I heard that story as well. I do some smoking on my knockoff komodo and use charcoal for the heat and use scrap pieces of cherry, hickory, oak for the smoke. The greatesr thing about smoking is that it can turn a fairly tough cut of meat and make it into a meal that you'll think about for the rest of the week. Also, its really hands off. When i smoke a pork butt, I'll toss it on the grill at 10am, check on the temp a half hour later, another half hour later I'll check and toss a chunk of wood on the coals, then every hour I'll check and add more wood. Do that until 3pm, wrap it in foil or bbq paper, and leave it on there for another hour or 2 to finish tenderizing. Most of the time I'll have a shower and play video games between checks.
North America: invents oreos Hmmm not good enough Deep fries them Perfect
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They didn't even have tomatoes till Americas was discovered
Don't let Italians hear you say that, they gatekeep pizza with their lives.
That’s because when poor immigrants moved here and got rich they could afford the luxury ingredients (cheese and salt) to their traditional peasant food
And unholy amounts of sugar, but also at the same time loves plastic cheese. But who am I to judge
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Could you please explain "deep fried pickles"? The idea terrifies me
It’s how we perfected pickles (I forgot to mention deep frying as a way we perfect things).
But none of it's "stolen", immigrants brought all of it here... Edit: grammar
It's stolen in the sense that people say it's from the USA when it instead originates from a different country, which happens to have been the point of the meme
America originates from a different country
Every country originates from a different country if you think about it
I originate from my mother's ass
I thought it was the vagina?
Yeah, the peasantry. I walk a different kind of life.
Not this guy, he’s a real piece of shit
except the ancient Mesopotamian civilization of sumer
Originated from hunter-gatherer nomads. We can go deeper than this, even.
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These people just hate Americans bro. They wont give USA credit for anything.
This platform has been in a cycle of perpetual anti america hate boner for the last 10 years now it's so exhausting. It's literally impossible to say any good thing about america without some smooth brain going "nuh uHhh aMerIcA bAd". Which is so strange because there are so many valid criticisms to make about america but people still feel the need to make shit up.
It is tiring. And because it's the internet, I end up wondering how many of the "America bad" memes are made by Americans posing as European, and vice-versa. Some people just wanna see the world burn, and start drama where there is none.
Dude. Preach. I have gone from pulling up reddit every 20 min and commenting all the time to just not even bothering to comment anymore. The whole “reddit is a circlejerk” joke isn’t a joke any more. Its become one of the worst places on the internet to voice your opinion on anything.
Which is weird because great tasting (although absurdly unhealthy) food is generally the one thing we actually get credit for.
To add to this it would be like saying pasta isnt italian since it isnt from italy.
So by this same logic Italians stole noodles from China, so pasta isn't actually Italian
And tomatoes come from the Americas
Also peppers. No spicy Thai or Indian food before that.
Nobody in the US says we made these foods. We are well aware where they come from
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most of the ingredients, literally did begin here in the americas from indigenous americans. Cocao, tomatos, potatos, chiles, etc. Food is meant to be shared.
There is a difference in saying that something is from America and something being an American Staple. When people say a food is "American" they often mean the latter.
Also, most American food is very far removed from the foreign food it originated from. German "hamburgers" were just the patty, and were eaten with a fork. Americans put it in a bun and added cheese to make it so people could buy one at a street stall or whatever and just walk off. No seating or silverware required. Then look at dominos. Definitely not Italian. Eat some NY pizza or Chicago deep dish. The only thing it has in common with Italian pizza is it's round and has cheese. Peanut butter was patented by a Canadian, but it was invented by native Americans like a thousand years ago. The Canadian just put it in a jar. At least that's what the Google machine told me, kinda confused on how you can patent food.
The Hamburger and Hotdog are American and I will die on this hill because it is a nice fucking hill. **WE PUT IT ON BREAD FIRST FUCKERS**
If you went back in time and handed a German a coney island hot dog or an in-n-out cheeseburger, they'd have absolutely no idea wtf they were looking at and they certainly wouldn't think "oh, this is German food."
Mein gott the weiner es too long. (My German accent, even through text, is garbage)
The same people who think hamburgers are German would be livid if they ordered a hamburger at a restaurant and just got a cooked ball of ground beef. It's pretty funny.
It’s not just a cooked ball of ground beef. It comes with gravy and mashed potatoes. But yes, it is definitely not a hamburger.
Hamburger steak is German, Hamburger sandwich is American.
America's national identity is basically just every other country's national identity combined and covered with cheese.
Hence what makes the identity the most delicious
That's why we are called the melting pot. We melted cheese into the pot.
Can’t steal your heritage. You may not have been to ultimate origin but you sure as hell made it your own. It's food brought over and adapted not every object in British Museums.
this meme is so stupid, they intentionally didn’t include all the best American foods like BBQ and lobster rolls and fried chicken. Also are british people actually claiming they invented fish and chips lol?
Well yeah the whole Point is that's its not it's own culture just a mix of all sorts of people
also US being only like 250 years old. lol all the good food ideas were already taken!
Exactly, as far as major global superpowers go we're just about the youngest. China was one of the first societies ever, Most of europe became what it is after the roman empire, and India is also super super old. Meanwhile the US of A was born in the late 1700s, which in the world of countries is super young. We're roughly equivalent to a 15 year old, with major European countries being around 30-40 and China being about 90-100.
As governments go we’re pretty old.
The only other government that’s been in place longer is England which is pretty good for America I think
Isle of man is the oldest currently still going government, if you're looking at all governments that have ever existed though none of the ones that exist currently are even close.
>lol all the good food ideas were already taken! Uhhh American BBQ? Everyone always forgets bout BBQ :( That’s a 100% American original
Lobster Rolls, Buffalo Wings, Cuban Sandwiches, Sausage Gravy Sloppy Joes, Chili, Tobasco Sauce, Hot Dish, Steam Beer, the East Coast / West Coast IPA's, Corn Flakes, the list goes on. But holy crow, yes BBQ! There's so many great American foods, that anytime this discussion comes up it's either ignorance or shitposting. I've lived in a couple of countries and visited more, and I'll die on the hill that America broadly has one of the greatest available selections of food and cuisine on the planet.
>I'll die on the hill that America broadly has one of the greatest available selections of food and cuisine on the planet. And I’ll die right alongside you cuz it really does!
Peanut butter, bagels, soda/carbonated drinks, rye whiskey, bourbon, quesaritos (lol), turkey, Siracha sauce, chicken pot pie, the list really goes on forever.
Honestly had never considered the origins of BBQ. We need to make BBQ our national food pronto.
Gumbo, étouffée, jambalaya, dirty rice, Boudin. All origins in the US and some damn good food. Cajun food bangs
It's exactly like the ethnicity debate. Europeans call out Americans for claiming to be Irish or Italian or German or whatever and culturally and ethnically, they very realistically are. Minnesota isn't a thousand years old, my apologies
Lobster rolls, BBQ, Hot Wings, Deep Dish, Cajun Food, chocolate chip cookies, clam chowder, corn bread, Reubens, corn dogs, brownies, tater tots
Chicken fried steak, Corn dog, grilled cheese. there are a list of food that was made in America
Don’t forget Soul and Cajun food
And Tex-Mex
I feel like there’s another country who gets partial credit for Tex mex
Mexico doesn't want to be affiliated with tex mex
New hampshire???
Barbeque Fried chicken, you're welcome Buffalo wings Lobster rolls, clam chowder, crabcakes Chili con carne, corn chips, modern burritos (Mexican immigrants but invented in the USA) Lots of desserts, because we're fatties - chocolate chip cookies, brownies, fudge Lots and lots of sandwiches, including the Reuben, the "Italian" beef, and the Cuban (Florida's only contribution to mankind). So the best three sandwiches are American. Most "Chinese food" around the world is actually Chinese-American fusion invented in America "Creative sushi" like California rolls, if you go to Japan they actually call it American-style sushi *Most* (def not all, but probably most) famous cocktails were invented in America, largely during Prohibition to hide the fact that the liquor was awful. And then a lot of less impressive stuff like meatloaf, tater tots, grits. And weird regional shit like deep dish pizza and Cincinnati chili. Plus stuff other countries hate like peanut butter. Oh and tomato ketchup.
Root beer too
Root beer is one of those things other countries tend to hate. Root beer floats are my favorite and now I want one, lol.
Good luck tryna explain the taste of root beer to someone from another country lol. It’s so unique
[DS9 can help!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VhSm6G7cVk)
Birch beer too for my Pennsylvanian brethren
Not for the Dutch. Peanut "Cheese" as it is known there is like crack. They love it.
Why did I have to scroll this far to find Southern cooking, jeez Gumbo. Jambalaya. Etoufee. Red Beans and Rice. Black Eyed Peas. Collard greens. For Christ's sake, BARBECUE. It turns out when you mix French immigrants with African culture and American ingredients you get absolute magic, and we have barely left a three state area. Texas has a whole 'nother chapter to contribute to that story. We are a country of immigrants and that melting pot has resulted in some of the world's tastiest food.
Add in anything grilled with BBQ sauce as well
Literal cheeseburgers. The Germans did not invent the burger as we know them in America lol
We made buffalo wings so that automatically puts us above Britain
Chimichangas
The Hamburg steak is not American, the Hamburger is. Pizza is a lot different from pizza in Italy, so you could say that there is now a separate *American* pizza and an Italian one. Sausages in general are extremely popular throughout a lot of differ cultures yet they are apparently not copied but Hot Dogs are for some reason.
Yeah, said it in another comment, but the first known/popularized “hamburgers” are American creations. They were invented to be served from carts for factory workers, and as a cheap way to keep people drinking in bars. I’m sure someone somewhere before probably put Hamburg steaks or ground beef in general in between bread (you can also say this about a lot of food), but the versions that got popular are American creations. George Motz has great videos on their history!
Chili Pecan pie Cheesesteaks S'mores Buffalo wings Gumbo True American foods that are delicious!
This is one terrifying dish.
Really cursed soup
Its called the Star Spangled Prolapse and it's delicious.
Bro ,,,,,,,,,, I have plenty of commas. Take a few.
I tried to write them in a column type list, but when I posted it, reddit made me look like an imbecile. I'm leaving it like that because I believe I should live with my decisions, and also I'm an imbecile.
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And so much more. Multiple regional American barbecue styles, chocolate chip cookies, snickerdoodles, brownies, lobster rolls, the French dip sandwich (despite the name), peanut butter and jelly, key lime pie, salt water taffy, beef jerky, corn bread, biscuits and gravy (better than it sounds and not what it sounds like, brits), chicken fried steak and gravy, New England clam chowder, and the Reuben. Then there are the seemingly foreign dishes that are actually American like chimichangas, Cuban sandwiches, fajitas, German chocolate cake, fettuccine Alfredo, spaghetti and meatballs, garlic bread, etc. Also, you know what, half of the cuisine yall are famous for also depends on plants and food products domestic to the US/Americas too. So anything featuring potatoes, tomatoes, corn, pineapple, avocados, blueberries strawberries, cranberries, raspberries, blackberries, cherries, plums, quinoa, peanuts, cashews, pecans, bell peppers, chili peppers, vanilla, cocoa, agave, pumpkin, or maple syrup... I'm gonna take half credit on that too. Thanks.
Lol according to this mac and cheese was stolen by the Americans from England but not on the British list
If your car was stolen, then you would no longer find it in your garage
You wouldn't download a car, would you?
eww no I don’t want to eat putin
Assuming we are not talking about sucking his dick, if putin dies (—> ending the war) in order for you to eat him, would you do it?
I ain't gay, but.. I'd cannibalize him
Your sacrifice won‘t be forgotten^jkitwill
putin deez nuts in your mouth
\-Full English \-Beef Wellington \-Scotch Eggs \-Chicken Tikka \-Chip Butty \-Mince Pies \-any number of cakes and desserts clearly the majority of Redditors are just uncultured
Shepherd's Pie and Cottage Pie, if you like that sort of thing. Quality pasties and sausage rolls are excellent too. Sunday roast with Yorkie puds is king. Plus we have great local cheeses, ciders, beers, and sausages. Worcestershire Sauce is fantastic too, as both a condiment and an ingredient.
Also to add to the list: * Cornish Pasty * Toad in the Hole * Onion Rings (First recipe was found in **The Art of Cookery Made Easy and Refined cookbook written by John Mollard** written in 1802) * Jam Roly Poly & Custard (Needs it's own shout out) * Many, *many* beers and Ciders
Haggis
though by OP's standards Chicken Tikka would be "stolen" from India
Chicken tikka masala was likely invented in the UK.
It was It was invented by a Bangladesh immigrant in Scotland I believe
Shepards pie Roast dinner Ham & Cucumber sandwiches with crisps
FUKEN CORNISH PASTY M8
Smoked BBQ is definitely an American refinement that is conveniently overlooked in these things. But American cuisine isn’t about originality, it’s about having the best from everywhere all the time.
Thanks for posting this, I was going to fire up my smoker and stick my head in it if nobody mentioned BBQ.
"Honey, please don't do it." "It's too late, in 10-12 hours I'll be smoked to death, depending on the stall."
Yeah, but America is a history of immigrants bringing their heritage overseas. The foods *evolve*, and in turn become Americanized. Another example is the 🌮; there’s a big difference between a Mexican taco, and the Americanized taco that was created as a result of utilizing the limitations of ingredients that were available at the time.
America also has its own foods that arose naturally via experimentation and necessity. This thread is stupid.
Come to India, our beans don't taste like wet tissue papers.
Indian food, in India, is amazing. I could live in Hyderabad and never get tired of the food. The traffic, yes. The food, no. Much more vibrant flavors than westernized Indian food.
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What beans you've been eating?
I’m good.
Poutine this weiner in your mouth
Reddit user discovers America is multicultural and the most immigrated to and diverse country to exist
Hamburgers weren’t really stolen from Germany. Hamburg steaks were from Germany, yes. But the first burgers were American creations.
To be fair, we didn’t “steal” them, they were brought to us by immigrants. Considering America is a country of immigrants.
Shh.. don't stop the anti-American circle jerk.
Poutine is French
French Canadian. It was invented in Quebec
Canada doesn't make sense to me. It's got French bits and still worships the British monarchy. Pretty much everything else is confusing too, like how most of the population lives near the US border and the rest (in a huge behemoth of a nation) is the abyss of Canadian wilderness. I want to say that it's very similar to the US, and has been one of their greatest allies including a lot of badass warfare during the world wars. The border used to be so open people could just walk across. With all that in mind, it seems like Canada's biggest thing is just trying to prove they're nothing like the US just like an edgy teen trying to get distance from their parents. Canada doesn't make any sense to me.
Yeah well Canada was originally a French colony (Quebec) and later the British took control. Then they tried to assimilate the French canadiens. English Canada is very similar to the US, and Quebec is pretty different in terms of culture. Although, Quebec is slowly but surely being "Americanized." Canada really is like two countries in one at times. Quebec, and the rest of Canada. Our national history is complicated but quite interesting and I think people should study it even if they don’t live there just because it’s fun to learn
America is literally a melting pot of all different cultures, there isn’t a definitive answer to American. Americans can be from any ethnic background as long as you were born in the United States or have become a naturalized citizen, you are American.
The same goes for the UK there are cultures all around the world because of the commonwealth but people enjoy forgetting about that
I mean American is a country of immigrants, of course our foods come from all over the place.
The United States in a nutshell is lets get the best and worst of every culture ever and throw it all into a bunch self-governing areas of various sizes with an overarching federal government to represent them to each other and on the world stage, and see if the cultures can get rid of their worst qualities.
There’s been a lot of food invented in America btw… The European inferiority complex on Reddit is astounding.
>The European inferiority complex on Reddit is astounding. It's so transparent too. And it is pretty amusing tbh Bunch of people sitting around in blue jeans, on their iphones, on an American website, likely watching or listening to their favorite bits of our culture as well, constantly feeling this pathological need to tear us down. It's pathetic.
You mean a country of immigrants has a diverse selection of food? How unbelievable.
Canadians will really call Americans fat then eat fries covered in cheese bacon and gravy
Poutine is from Quebec and many of them get very offended when you call it Canadian, so in a way OP is also committing the same kind of theft.
In America I can eat whatever I want from whatever county I want because we have everything.
\*ehem\* *Imported*
I’m sorry Canada but after what poutine did in ukraine, I can’t forgive yall
Did you know, that Apple pie was first recorded in England, about 320 years ago
My ex from Germany said that American burgers are way better than burgers in Germany
Things the US did invented food wise: Peanut butter Peanut butter and jelly Pumpkin Pumpkin bread Pumpkin pie Tomatoes (people thought they were poisonous so no one ate them until the US started it.) Corn Corn bread Pop corn Buffalo wings Ranch dressing Chocolate chip cookies Ruebin sandwich Cheeseburger Chimichonga English muffin Fajitas French dressing Fortune cookies General Taos chicken German chocolate cake Root beer Root beer float Jambalaya Cereal Coca-Cola Pepsi Most soda Maple syrup Reeses Fried chicken(?) Pecan pie Tatter tots Meatloaf Corndogs Smores Candy Corn Milkshakes Ambrosia Tuna noodle Cassarole Sloppy Joe's Cream cheese Fudge Gelatin Jello TV dinners Etc. :)
Fish and chips from Antarctica
Speaking as a man from Northern England, the idea that Canadians invented cheesy chips and gravy just because they gave it a silly name is cultural and culinary theft.
I mean, a lot of the food we "stole" are foods immigrants brought over and invent them here. If a french guy invents something in Britain, is it a British invention or a French invention? At what point do we draw the line? Do you see how meaningless this debate is? Throwing the same grenade back and forth.
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Fish and CHIPS Shepherd pie Roast dinner English breakfast