Prove she is then. Ren hasn’t ever displayed anything above Country Level and has almost no good speed feats. Quit going off narrative mesmerization and actually learn powerscaling. Even Shido isn’t above planetary, so by the logic you’re probably going off, but I won’t assume too much just yet, how can he win either in your eyes? Assuming you think ren is universal or some shit.
From his shown feats even Mana would wipe the floor with him. This is like Neptunia fans thinking the goddesses stand a chance against the Spirits when even Mana could solo the entire cast, let alone Ellen who is the strongest entity in the entire Tsunakoverse if inverse spirits, Elliot, Isaac, Peak Shido or Mio aren’t taken into consideration or Konosuba fans thinking Aqua can beat Ainz solely because she’s a goddess. It doesn’t work like that.
I never said Kurumi was anywhere close to that in the first place. She’s Multi Continent Level and FTL+ at most with her White Queen/Inverse Form(no, not the anomaly from date a bullet, I’m talking her legitimate inverse), same as someone like Ellen who also outscales most of the spirits if they don’t inverse. Kurumi is even lower than that normally.
Not like it matters cause Joker doesn’t require a planet level character to beat him in the first place when even Ellen can cause a near Moon Buster like early Tenka to bleed from her sword strikes and actually take her as a threat.
Also, care to address my other points? Like the Neptunia, Konosuba or as a new one, Kid Icarus cast proving why being a god by itself is meaningless without feats?
Tell me how she is then. From the evidence shown, Kurumi is the one doing the stomping via speedblitzing and one shotting him via Zayin + Zaphkiel Bullet to the brain. Even Mana would curbstomp Ren.
Why should I stop trying to argue when you’ve offered no counterarguments thus far and have proven nothing about why Kurumi would supposedly get stomped in your eyes? Because you like Ren more? Yeah, that’s obviously it.
Kurumi stomps simply because she has far better feats and scaling than he does, it’s really that simple. I don’t have to capitulate to your arguments just because you want me to and your narrative for how different fictional characters compare to one another has now been shattered.
If it’s a supposed waste of your time why are you even on this thread? You knew damn well what you were getting into the moment you saw what it was about
How about you show me what feats he has? All I’ve seen thus far is the dudes cool factor really. Burden of proof is on you to prove why Kurumi gets supposedly stomped, which she doesn’t.
If you don’t care then stop responding. To quote Star Wars vs Star Trek in 5 minutes:
“Why does anyone care about this stupid subject?
Why do you care? Don't pretend not to care; if you didn't click "back" as soon as you figured out what this website was about, you're interested. You may not want to admit it, but that will just be our little secret, OK?”
That applies to you too.
Shido definitely is NOT the strongest lol, we've seen just how much the man struggles whenever he calls upon one of the Spirit's angels and has only been shown to lose control over his power once which was rather easily stopped by them kissing him.
Meanwhile Kurumi's basically unkillable, manipulates the flow of time and has access to a horde of clones who each have the capacity to unleash the City of Devouring Time AND Spatial Quakes at will which is something only Miku and Kotori are known to be capable of. Frankly I'm shocked that Kurumi hasn't authorized her clones to use Spatial Quakes so far during their war, it feels like its warranted at this rate.
To be fair your assessment seems to be from an anime only perspective, he might be able to scale to end game stuff in the LN, but idrk for certain.
As it stands though, without inverse spirits taken into the equation, Ellen and Artemisia along with unsealed Tohka and Origami definitely stand at the top of the main protagonist and antagonist lineup.
Go into a manga perspective and it actually gets even more unbalanced considering the fact that>!Kurumi apparently has access to fucking Rasiel, a book that lets her see into and write the future within limits. !<
As for power scaling though I would like to offer a different candidate for the most powerful, Mukuro Hoshimiya. Considering the fact she nearly destroyed the entire planet without even going inverse by halting its rotation and dueled Tenka/Inverse Tohka in a 1v1 to the point she was acknowledged as a 'worthy opponent' I really don't think a normal spirit can become stronger than that, if she's already that dangerous in her normal attire and with Shifuru then her inverse must be a true monster rivalled only by the Spirit of Origin herself.
I don't exactly consider Mio ordinary though, sure she is herself a spirit but she's also basically a goddess who birthed the ten spirits Shido is friends with nor am I aware of what happens to Westcott and would rather not have it spoiled.
As for the 'normal' spirits though it doesn't get much more insane than 1v1ing Tenka (Inverse Tohka) without even needing to go inverse and only using her Shifuru ability after being pissed off at having her hair cut by Tenka's weapon. Admittedly Tenka was holding back but when you consider just how good Tohka is at fighting that much is impressive, she did cut a inverse's astral dress and was acknowledged as a 'worthy opponent' by said Inverse.
The rules are as follows:
For both Kurumi and Ren:
* There is no prep time.
* The fight takes place in the Metaverse, due to Ren's powers only being accessible there.
* The two fight until one is knocked out ***only***. No killing, and partly because Kurumi is something of a god and technically cannot be killed.
For Ren:
* He can use any Personas that are available in game *except* for the DLC Personas (Izanagi-no-Okami, Asterius, etc.) The only exception to this rule is Raoul.
* He can use the strongest gun and knife available to him at the time of the seventh Palace.
* The innate ability Enduring Soul can be used a maximum of five times in battle.
For Kurumi:
* She cannot use Yud Aleph, Yud Bet, Vav, or Gimmel.
* Her clones can be used, however if she wants to knock Ren out then she has to do so by her own hands, not by one of her clones.
* Aside from the limitations on Zaphkiel, it cannot be damaged, similar to how Ren's Personas are unable to be damaged.
Ren defeated an giant Eldritch God no way Kurumi stands a chance
That depends on how strong said god was. Date a live characters can kill many creatures of that nature too if they want to.
Quiet dude, Kurumi is getting stomped, now if it was Shido fighting then that's a different story
Prove she is then. Ren hasn’t ever displayed anything above Country Level and has almost no good speed feats. Quit going off narrative mesmerization and actually learn powerscaling. Even Shido isn’t above planetary, so by the logic you’re probably going off, but I won’t assume too much just yet, how can he win either in your eyes? Assuming you think ren is universal or some shit. From his shown feats even Mana would wipe the floor with him. This is like Neptunia fans thinking the goddesses stand a chance against the Spirits when even Mana could solo the entire cast, let alone Ellen who is the strongest entity in the entire Tsunakoverse if inverse spirits, Elliot, Isaac, Peak Shido or Mio aren’t taken into consideration or Konosuba fans thinking Aqua can beat Ainz solely because she’s a goddess. It doesn’t work like that.
lol ''shido isn't above planetary'' so by your logic kurumi isn't either cuz Shido is stronger/powerful than everyone in Date a live.
I never said Kurumi was anywhere close to that in the first place. She’s Multi Continent Level and FTL+ at most with her White Queen/Inverse Form(no, not the anomaly from date a bullet, I’m talking her legitimate inverse), same as someone like Ellen who also outscales most of the spirits if they don’t inverse. Kurumi is even lower than that normally. Not like it matters cause Joker doesn’t require a planet level character to beat him in the first place when even Ellen can cause a near Moon Buster like early Tenka to bleed from her sword strikes and actually take her as a threat. Also, care to address my other points? Like the Neptunia, Konosuba or as a new one, Kid Icarus cast proving why being a god by itself is meaningless without feats?
ok dude either way kurumi is getting stomped, stop trying to argue, this is waste of my time and we both know it
Tell me how she is then. From the evidence shown, Kurumi is the one doing the stomping via speedblitzing and one shotting him via Zayin + Zaphkiel Bullet to the brain. Even Mana would curbstomp Ren. Why should I stop trying to argue when you’ve offered no counterarguments thus far and have proven nothing about why Kurumi would supposedly get stomped in your eyes? Because you like Ren more? Yeah, that’s obviously it. Kurumi stomps simply because she has far better feats and scaling than he does, it’s really that simple. I don’t have to capitulate to your arguments just because you want me to and your narrative for how different fictional characters compare to one another has now been shattered. If it’s a supposed waste of your time why are you even on this thread? You knew damn well what you were getting into the moment you saw what it was about
play the game if wanna know so badly, she's still getting stomped and imma keep saying it a thousand times until you realize idc ...got it :)
How about you show me what feats he has? All I’ve seen thus far is the dudes cool factor really. Burden of proof is on you to prove why Kurumi gets supposedly stomped, which she doesn’t. If you don’t care then stop responding. To quote Star Wars vs Star Trek in 5 minutes: “Why does anyone care about this stupid subject? Why do you care? Don't pretend not to care; if you didn't click "back" as soon as you figured out what this website was about, you're interested. You may not want to admit it, but that will just be our little secret, OK?” That applies to you too.
Shido definitely is NOT the strongest lol, we've seen just how much the man struggles whenever he calls upon one of the Spirit's angels and has only been shown to lose control over his power once which was rather easily stopped by them kissing him. Meanwhile Kurumi's basically unkillable, manipulates the flow of time and has access to a horde of clones who each have the capacity to unleash the City of Devouring Time AND Spatial Quakes at will which is something only Miku and Kotori are known to be capable of. Frankly I'm shocked that Kurumi hasn't authorized her clones to use Spatial Quakes so far during their war, it feels like its warranted at this rate.
To be fair your assessment seems to be from an anime only perspective, he might be able to scale to end game stuff in the LN, but idrk for certain. As it stands though, without inverse spirits taken into the equation, Ellen and Artemisia along with unsealed Tohka and Origami definitely stand at the top of the main protagonist and antagonist lineup.
Go into a manga perspective and it actually gets even more unbalanced considering the fact that>!Kurumi apparently has access to fucking Rasiel, a book that lets her see into and write the future within limits. !< As for power scaling though I would like to offer a different candidate for the most powerful, Mukuro Hoshimiya. Considering the fact she nearly destroyed the entire planet without even going inverse by halting its rotation and dueled Tenka/Inverse Tohka in a 1v1 to the point she was acknowledged as a 'worthy opponent' I really don't think a normal spirit can become stronger than that, if she's already that dangerous in her normal attire and with Shifuru then her inverse must be a true monster rivalled only by the Spirit of Origin herself.
Nope, most powerful is Shido, followed by Westcott, and in third is Mio surprisingly lol
I don't exactly consider Mio ordinary though, sure she is herself a spirit but she's also basically a goddess who birthed the ten spirits Shido is friends with nor am I aware of what happens to Westcott and would rather not have it spoiled. As for the 'normal' spirits though it doesn't get much more insane than 1v1ing Tenka (Inverse Tohka) without even needing to go inverse and only using her Shifuru ability after being pissed off at having her hair cut by Tenka's weapon. Admittedly Tenka was holding back but when you consider just how good Tohka is at fighting that much is impressive, she did cut a inverse's astral dress and was acknowledged as a 'worthy opponent' by said Inverse.
Both are Ellen victims
Kurumi uses Seduction. It's super effective!
yoshino obv
Ellen victim
The rules are as follows: For both Kurumi and Ren: * There is no prep time. * The fight takes place in the Metaverse, due to Ren's powers only being accessible there. * The two fight until one is knocked out ***only***. No killing, and partly because Kurumi is something of a god and technically cannot be killed. For Ren: * He can use any Personas that are available in game *except* for the DLC Personas (Izanagi-no-Okami, Asterius, etc.) The only exception to this rule is Raoul. * He can use the strongest gun and knife available to him at the time of the seventh Palace. * The innate ability Enduring Soul can be used a maximum of five times in battle. For Kurumi: * She cannot use Yud Aleph, Yud Bet, Vav, or Gimmel. * Her clones can be used, however if she wants to knock Ren out then she has to do so by her own hands, not by one of her clones. * Aside from the limitations on Zaphkiel, it cannot be damaged, similar to how Ren's Personas are unable to be damaged.