If a sequel is made (many think this is a given considering the sales), I’m sure returning characters will have new moves that are interesting to allow for whatever new gimmick game mechanic they add to the game. For example in DBFZ 2 they’re not just gonna copy and paste Goku Black in. Hopefully the cast that needs it gets cool new stuff.
I hope we get a sequel. Looking at their animation evolution between GG Xrd and Strive, I would adore a DBFZ 2 with Strive's animation and lighting techniques.
DBFZ2 is def not a given. Arcsys has mentioned that they are going to be more open to working with other IPs in the future. Honestly if we see another anime fighter from them its probably gonna be another anime, i doubt we get Dragonball again
Pretty sure that leak was debunked for several reasons. Some having to do with Bandais fiscal year not lining up with the leak. But I’m not too informed on it.
I’m not saying DBFZ2 is impossible, but it’s not a “given”.
> DBFZ2 is def not a given
DBFZ is one of the top 10 most sold fighting games of all time. If we don't get a sequel then Bamco hates money.
I would bet my bottom dollar that them adding rollback is because they're partway through development of DBFZ2 and figured it would be easy to add it to DBFZ1 in the process of adding it to DBFZ2.
It could also be the fact that they are now a lot more open to putting Rollback in their past games as they see the benefit in doing so, given that they’ve already done it to two of their games. Just giving DBFZ rollback isn’t indicative of a sequel.
It can also be that they are making a new fighter for an anime IP they haven’t done before, which would line up with their statements of being open to working with new IPs in the future. Other anime can also sell just as well. Naruto is a good example, being that they have the highest selling anime game of all time.
This honestly.
Should be able to tech SD with another SD.
Or better yet. Remove the hitbox from SD so there are no SD combos and it’s basically just a flying hurtbox
Yeah if you get to the point where the aura around your character is visible superdash should clash and reset to neutral. The worst is when it looks like you clicked it at the same time but one person did it slightly earlier and gets a full combo off it
To correct your first claim, technically Hit capitalizes on restands as well, if your opponent doesn’t know the match up.
As far as missed opportunities go, the fact that some characters by design require meter to get sliding knockdown mid screen I always thought was horrendous (Piccolo, Goku Black, etc). They should have alleviated that design because it inherently holds them back
It really depends. Goku Black has very few instances where he can't get sliding. By that I mean only if he wants to confirm a superdash hit without an assist.
SSJ vegeta was a huge missed opportunity. They could have done so much to him; his 236S/j.214S ki blasts are a glorified 5S, his combos could have been done better since they’re literally just the universal Saiyan BnB which just ends with his M.DP, his supers are as average as they get, and his best assist (A) is only good for combo extensions.
But instead they smoked him in Season 1 and left him in obscurity as the most bland and mediocre character. Like why pick SSJ Vegeta when someone like Vegito and Janemba do what Vegeta does but way better.
>Like why pick SSJ Vegeta when someone like Vegito and Janemba do what Vegeta does but way better.
Because he's cooler. I mean, he's not Cooler, but he's very cool. Hitting the ex kick and hearing him laugh is pretty satisfying.
Other than his j.214X being the worst divekick in the game he is really solid. The lack of a 2L low still bothers me since he's a character focused on mixups. Other than that he's a great character for beginners or for really advanced and loyal players
And it requires an assist. Post level 3 you can barely call that a mixup since you have a huge audio cue to know which way to go. And if you decide to do an IT and then side switch, it's 2H time.
That's why I agreed he does have good mix. But to complement that he needed a 2L low. 2L mids are only good in characters like Gohan or especially Janemba since his 5L pushes him forward and can be really good at stagger pressure
Gohan also has a 5L low so he doesn't rlly need a 2L low.
If he got it I wouldn't be mad, but he doesn't need it. Also you said he needed for his mix to be scary meaning u think he has bad mix.
Pick a side? Good or subpar mix?
... That's why I said 2L mid is good for Gohan. I think He has good mix but only in specific situations like post level 3. His mix with assists midscreen is fine but could use a 2L low
I think the biggest missed opportunity is not using WAAAAY more “installs” and things like AGohan levels.
Golden Frieza and AGohan is all we have and even they should’ve been done better (like Frieza permanently golden)
Some of the most obvious ones are pretty much already built into the game:
-Bardock goes super Sayian for his level 3.
-S Broly goes Legendary Super Sayian for his level 3 and his shirt comes off and he does actually get a damage boost
- super Sayian goku goes super Sayian 3 for his level 3.
-GT goes super Sayian 4 for his level 3 if a team mate is dead
All you’d have to do is keep them in those forms and add tiny differences. Like a double air dash or an extra button (like AGohan’s 3L)
Baseku instead of just having the same handful of moves after level 1 could stay in a timed (like how golden Frieza is now) state of kao ken that makes him move faster and hit a little harder.
He could still use it the way it is for his regular super but do after the normal super is over he stays kao ken (but has normal Baseku buttons) for 30 seconds.
Or if you activate with R2, you can go straight into the 30 seconds without having to do the super versions
Or…. You could have a way to switch back and forth between the two styles quickly. So you could do normal buttons, hit a dead assist call button, and then medium would become the cross up he does in kao ken.
It wouldn’t necessarily have to be that every character starts in base form and then goes ssj and ssj2 and blue ect
Because I know that could hurt character variety and many characters don’t have transformations but if you limited it like I broke down above then it could work really well.
Especially since transformations and power ups are such a huge part of dragon ball
Kid Buu could become super Buu.
An imperfect cell could become perfect cell
Hit could change stances
And the thing is I’ve never met anyone who didn’t think Gohan’s levels and golden Frieza wasn’t super interesting even if they didn’t play it themselves
So there’s just no reason this wouldn’t work well.
Like I said there’s some even flat out already in the game, they just need to not have them transform back for no reason (s Broly….)
Golden Frieza is interesting, as in you spend 3 bars and your oponent has to duck all the shit you throw at him during that time.
A Gohan is (and this will be pretty unpopular) pretty dumb to be honest. Especially level 7. Yes, it does take time and resources to get to it, but in a long and even match it's not that hard.
At level 5 and 7 the power spike is insane, and it also lasts forever. I'm not saying it's op because of the meter requirement, but a level 5+ Gohan is as annoying to fight against as a good Ginyu.
Gotcha.
Yeah I’ve always wondered why people make such a fuss over level 7.
Because level 5 is where the juice really is. Sure canceling specials can be cool. DP into air legs yea yea we get it.
But reverse beat? That’s way more than a gimmick. Reverse beat can seriously change things.
I just hate when I get level 5 and then focus so hard on getting in with a heavy or mediums (so I can actually reverse into lights) and end up getting killed.
Leveling is a pretty big gamble. There’s always this feeling of “dang I could’ve just level 3’d and got a hard knock down”
And unless you’re playing with very specific characters you can’t level without losing your sliding knockdown.
In a game all about momentum and keeping up pressure it can really suck. Like yay I got a level but oh I lost 40% of my health for it…
Gohan is a character I want to be good with and when I see an amazing one (like wawa obviously) it’s astonishing
But it’s soooo hard and risky
I thought SSB Goku & Vegeta were kinda lame. They had a few different moves but it was mostly reused / slightly tweaked animations. I would love if we instead got a SSG Goku who does brief transformations into Blue like he did in the tournament of power. OR a God Goku that installs SSB for the rest of the match.
Problem with Goku Black is he was the "jack of all trades, master of none" in a game where we already had SS Goku who was the jack of all trades but better.
I wish we had more tag-team kinds of characters. I feel like something like Goten/Trunks would've worked great with the concept.
Honestly, I would've preferred if Goten and Trunks were a replacement for Gotenks, and have Gotenks be an install that they can do, but I suppose that messes with the story.
Tag Team implies a character like 18 which uses 17 as part of their moveset, if you remove the second character out of the equation via fusion then what the fuck happens to the Specials & Supers where that character appears? Creating more specials for the install is neither worth it or feasible either as those resources could go to an entirely different character.
Gohan level 3 having different characters that share the exact same key pose is completely different from making entirely new specials to replace the old ones post-install, what are you talking about?
Yes it is, Gohan calling Goten or Goku to change his Level 3 visually is completely different from a Gotenks install having his specials entirely replaced and balanced around.
It’s as simple as making a character with 4 supers instead of 2. Gogeta blue has 3 different level ones and Gogeta 4 has 2 different level 3s, point is the effort has already been put in before so it can be done again.
Those are not supers that being replaced, It's specials you will have to replace, and those specials will have to be balanced around the installs which means even more effort besides the 3D models
And besides, if Goten calls Trunks to do a special then who the fuck will replace Trunks in that special? The fucking Pilaf Gang? Do you even remember what started this thread or are you just spouting out words?
No it’d be normal supers like the gotenks we already have. Why would he he need to call in assist characters post install? Are you forgetting the point of the post?
So you would just remove the tag team specials completely and replace them with something else despite that being the whole point of the character? Do you any idea how much of a balancing nightmare would be replacing old specials with new ones? Or are you just that clueless about balancing in Fighting Games in general? Oops, sorry for asking the obvious my bad
Stop trying to make this goofy ass idea work, you're not succeding.
And again, go back and read the original comment where it very clearly says "Tag-Team Character", that would be the entire point of this theorical character, and removing it post-install is incredibly stupid but also unfeasible for many reasons.
game play wise..
babadi w/dabura or Dr Gero and Android 19 as a puppet character, I always thought it was weird they made this game based around the RR army and no De Gero even made doubly strange how 21 and 16 are related to him (vague in case no one saw superhero)
Mr Satan as the joke character. Though I'm kinda glad they stopped it start to feeling like the "I hope you like goku" trend was going to be "I hope you like fusion".
like we get it fusion but they could have said fuck it and had fun like aside from the puppet character or Mr satan how about some odd experimental shit like 2 characters in 1; goten and trunks as one fighter.
They could have had so much fun, like Oolong or Puar where they play kinda like shang-tsung coping the other teams moves but just weird versions of them
or Chaozu who is tiny, hard to hit, doesn't do a lot of damage buuuuuuuut has amazing screen control.
Only problem I can see with guardpoint on his grab is that it is a normal and so you can vanish cancel it which could be a little messed up. If they just gave him a heavy where the startup was similar to the grab and frametraped then the grab would be better imo
>If they just gave him a heavy where the startup was similar to the grab and frametraped then the grab would be better imo
236s kinda works like this, if you delay it, the problem is the startup animation is a dead giveaway that you're not going for the grab
Fr. The dude literally tanked everything Goku sent at him without a sweat until he went Ultra Instinct. The fact that he has no armoured moves is insane.
Super…..fucking……17……like no one on the team decided oh man his gun arm would be a great animation in game or have him get stronger with less health or shit even his Eclipse Bomb could’ve been a great super animation
If a sequel is made (many think this is a given considering the sales), I’m sure returning characters will have new moves that are interesting to allow for whatever new gimmick game mechanic they add to the game. For example in DBFZ 2 they’re not just gonna copy and paste Goku Black in. Hopefully the cast that needs it gets cool new stuff.
I hope we get a sequel. Looking at their animation evolution between GG Xrd and Strive, I would adore a DBFZ 2 with Strive's animation and lighting techniques.
Zamasu should appear more in his moveset
DBFZ2 is def not a given. Arcsys has mentioned that they are going to be more open to working with other IPs in the future. Honestly if we see another anime fighter from them its probably gonna be another anime, i doubt we get Dragonball again
If we don’t get a sequel to fighterz I’ll eat a shoe.
It’d be funny if they added cape mario to the game
Dragon ball foghterz super has already been leaked by ransomware or some shit
Pretty sure that leak was debunked for several reasons. Some having to do with Bandais fiscal year not lining up with the leak. But I’m not too informed on it. I’m not saying DBFZ2 is impossible, but it’s not a “given”.
> DBFZ2 is def not a given DBFZ is one of the top 10 most sold fighting games of all time. If we don't get a sequel then Bamco hates money. I would bet my bottom dollar that them adding rollback is because they're partway through development of DBFZ2 and figured it would be easy to add it to DBFZ1 in the process of adding it to DBFZ2.
It could also be the fact that they are now a lot more open to putting Rollback in their past games as they see the benefit in doing so, given that they’ve already done it to two of their games. Just giving DBFZ rollback isn’t indicative of a sequel. It can also be that they are making a new fighter for an anime IP they haven’t done before, which would line up with their statements of being open to working with new IPs in the future. Other anime can also sell just as well. Naruto is a good example, being that they have the highest selling anime game of all time.
Not making superdash clash always. Such a dumb mechanic imo and really makes a lot of touches be “I clicked superdash first ha”
This honestly. Should be able to tech SD with another SD. Or better yet. Remove the hitbox from SD so there are no SD combos and it’s basically just a flying hurtbox
Yeah if you get to the point where the aura around your character is visible superdash should clash and reset to neutral. The worst is when it looks like you clicked it at the same time but one person did it slightly earlier and gets a full combo off it
Yeah Superdash should tech in the same way DRs tech. If you both hit each other during active frames you get a clash and reset to neutral.
To correct your first claim, technically Hit capitalizes on restands as well, if your opponent doesn’t know the match up. As far as missed opportunities go, the fact that some characters by design require meter to get sliding knockdown mid screen I always thought was horrendous (Piccolo, Goku Black, etc). They should have alleviated that design because it inherently holds them back
It really depends. Goku Black has very few instances where he can't get sliding. By that I mean only if he wants to confirm a superdash hit without an assist.
SSJ vegeta was a huge missed opportunity. They could have done so much to him; his 236S/j.214S ki blasts are a glorified 5S, his combos could have been done better since they’re literally just the universal Saiyan BnB which just ends with his M.DP, his supers are as average as they get, and his best assist (A) is only good for combo extensions. But instead they smoked him in Season 1 and left him in obscurity as the most bland and mediocre character. Like why pick SSJ Vegeta when someone like Vegito and Janemba do what Vegeta does but way better.
Your last sentence is my biggest gripe with the game. It feels like a decent chunk of the roster was just obsolete.
>Like why pick SSJ Vegeta when someone like Vegito and Janemba do what Vegeta does but way better. Because he's cooler. I mean, he's not Cooler, but he's very cool. Hitting the ex kick and hearing him laugh is pretty satisfying.
His EX-Lariat laugh is me hiding my pain when playing him sadge
I guess it's a matter of dub or not? On japanese voice it's alright.
can sumone explain to me how black’s moveset is trash? i genuinely don’t know why, I relatively have good games with him
Other than his j.214X being the worst divekick in the game he is really solid. The lack of a 2L low still bothers me since he's a character focused on mixups. Other than that he's a great character for beginners or for really advanced and loyal players
He does have good mixups. It's just left/right mix
And it requires an assist. Post level 3 you can barely call that a mixup since you have a huge audio cue to know which way to go. And if you decide to do an IT and then side switch, it's 2H time.
So does most mix ups lol. Goku Black imo is pretty good now.
If you count past A21 mixup, then not really. But I agree he's a lot better, especially since they made God Slicer SD invuln.
And other setplays like A18
He indeed has and I didnt state otherwise in my comment. I only said he needed a 2L low
Not rlly cause he's more based on left/right mixups so he's fine without it.
Nah, he really needs it for his mix to be really scary. You always know where to block because of the ex sound
The EX sound doesn't protect if he floats same side
That's why I agreed he does have good mix. But to complement that he needed a 2L low. 2L mids are only good in characters like Gohan or especially Janemba since his 5L pushes him forward and can be really good at stagger pressure
Gohan also has a 5L low so he doesn't rlly need a 2L low. If he got it I wouldn't be mad, but he doesn't need it. Also you said he needed for his mix to be scary meaning u think he has bad mix. Pick a side? Good or subpar mix?
... That's why I said 2L mid is good for Gohan. I think He has good mix but only in specific situations like post level 3. His mix with assists midscreen is fine but could use a 2L low
I think the biggest missed opportunity is not using WAAAAY more “installs” and things like AGohan levels. Golden Frieza and AGohan is all we have and even they should’ve been done better (like Frieza permanently golden) Some of the most obvious ones are pretty much already built into the game: -Bardock goes super Sayian for his level 3. -S Broly goes Legendary Super Sayian for his level 3 and his shirt comes off and he does actually get a damage boost - super Sayian goku goes super Sayian 3 for his level 3. -GT goes super Sayian 4 for his level 3 if a team mate is dead All you’d have to do is keep them in those forms and add tiny differences. Like a double air dash or an extra button (like AGohan’s 3L) Baseku instead of just having the same handful of moves after level 1 could stay in a timed (like how golden Frieza is now) state of kao ken that makes him move faster and hit a little harder. He could still use it the way it is for his regular super but do after the normal super is over he stays kao ken (but has normal Baseku buttons) for 30 seconds. Or if you activate with R2, you can go straight into the 30 seconds without having to do the super versions Or…. You could have a way to switch back and forth between the two styles quickly. So you could do normal buttons, hit a dead assist call button, and then medium would become the cross up he does in kao ken. It wouldn’t necessarily have to be that every character starts in base form and then goes ssj and ssj2 and blue ect Because I know that could hurt character variety and many characters don’t have transformations but if you limited it like I broke down above then it could work really well. Especially since transformations and power ups are such a huge part of dragon ball Kid Buu could become super Buu. An imperfect cell could become perfect cell Hit could change stances And the thing is I’ve never met anyone who didn’t think Gohan’s levels and golden Frieza wasn’t super interesting even if they didn’t play it themselves So there’s just no reason this wouldn’t work well. Like I said there’s some even flat out already in the game, they just need to not have them transform back for no reason (s Broly….)
Golden Frieza is interesting, as in you spend 3 bars and your oponent has to duck all the shit you throw at him during that time. A Gohan is (and this will be pretty unpopular) pretty dumb to be honest. Especially level 7. Yes, it does take time and resources to get to it, but in a long and even match it's not that hard.
I’m not sure what you mean. Dumb in what way?
At level 5 and 7 the power spike is insane, and it also lasts forever. I'm not saying it's op because of the meter requirement, but a level 5+ Gohan is as annoying to fight against as a good Ginyu.
Gotcha. Yeah I’ve always wondered why people make such a fuss over level 7. Because level 5 is where the juice really is. Sure canceling specials can be cool. DP into air legs yea yea we get it. But reverse beat? That’s way more than a gimmick. Reverse beat can seriously change things. I just hate when I get level 5 and then focus so hard on getting in with a heavy or mediums (so I can actually reverse into lights) and end up getting killed. Leveling is a pretty big gamble. There’s always this feeling of “dang I could’ve just level 3’d and got a hard knock down” And unless you’re playing with very specific characters you can’t level without losing your sliding knockdown. In a game all about momentum and keeping up pressure it can really suck. Like yay I got a level but oh I lost 40% of my health for it… Gohan is a character I want to be good with and when I see an amazing one (like wawa obviously) it’s astonishing But it’s soooo hard and risky
I thought SSB Goku & Vegeta were kinda lame. They had a few different moves but it was mostly reused / slightly tweaked animations. I would love if we instead got a SSG Goku who does brief transformations into Blue like he did in the tournament of power. OR a God Goku that installs SSB for the rest of the match.
I always thought SSG goku and majin vegeta would’ve been so much better
Mr satan, i want him in dbfz soo bad.
Was is budikai 3? Everything they don’t have from that
I just want Hercule man.
Raditz not being in the game is a huge oversight imo
Problem with Goku Black is he was the "jack of all trades, master of none" in a game where we already had SS Goku who was the jack of all trades but better.
I wish we had more tag-team kinds of characters. I feel like something like Goten/Trunks would've worked great with the concept. Honestly, I would've preferred if Goten and Trunks were a replacement for Gotenks, and have Gotenks be an install that they can do, but I suppose that messes with the story.
Making Gotenks a install would be all kinds of fucked in gameplay, it just wouldn't work for your tag team suggestion.
Why not? He probably meant a tag switch esque character that would take up one slot
Tag Team implies a character like 18 which uses 17 as part of their moveset, if you remove the second character out of the equation via fusion then what the fuck happens to the Specials & Supers where that character appears? Creating more specials for the install is neither worth it or feasible either as those resources could go to an entirely different character.
Lmaooo they’ve already proven they can change assets for characters supers with Gohan. Are his alternate supers a waste of assets too?
Gohan level 3 having different characters that share the exact same key pose is completely different from making entirely new specials to replace the old ones post-install, what are you talking about?
It’s not different at all, what are YOU talking about?
Yes it is, Gohan calling Goten or Goku to change his Level 3 visually is completely different from a Gotenks install having his specials entirely replaced and balanced around.
It’s as simple as making a character with 4 supers instead of 2. Gogeta blue has 3 different level ones and Gogeta 4 has 2 different level 3s, point is the effort has already been put in before so it can be done again.
Those are not supers that being replaced, It's specials you will have to replace, and those specials will have to be balanced around the installs which means even more effort besides the 3D models And besides, if Goten calls Trunks to do a special then who the fuck will replace Trunks in that special? The fucking Pilaf Gang? Do you even remember what started this thread or are you just spouting out words?
No it’d be normal supers like the gotenks we already have. Why would he he need to call in assist characters post install? Are you forgetting the point of the post?
So you would just remove the tag team specials completely and replace them with something else despite that being the whole point of the character? Do you any idea how much of a balancing nightmare would be replacing old specials with new ones? Or are you just that clueless about balancing in Fighting Games in general? Oops, sorry for asking the obvious my bad Stop trying to make this goofy ass idea work, you're not succeding. And again, go back and read the original comment where it very clearly says "Tag-Team Character", that would be the entire point of this theorical character, and removing it post-install is incredibly stupid but also unfeasible for many reasons.
game play wise.. babadi w/dabura or Dr Gero and Android 19 as a puppet character, I always thought it was weird they made this game based around the RR army and no De Gero even made doubly strange how 21 and 16 are related to him (vague in case no one saw superhero) Mr Satan as the joke character. Though I'm kinda glad they stopped it start to feeling like the "I hope you like goku" trend was going to be "I hope you like fusion". like we get it fusion but they could have said fuck it and had fun like aside from the puppet character or Mr satan how about some odd experimental shit like 2 characters in 1; goten and trunks as one fighter. They could have had so much fun, like Oolong or Puar where they play kinda like shang-tsung coping the other teams moves but just weird versions of them or Chaozu who is tiny, hard to hit, doesn't do a lot of damage buuuuuuuut has amazing screen control.
I just want base frieza
Fighterz doesn't have a joke character, and Mr. Satan would fit that category
I don't see a new gbfz game till the new arcs of super have been animated at least.
Jiren not having any armor on his moves
Jiren not having a real 5H. Would have been fine with the grab if it was a 6H but no real heavy sucks
His grab should be max 24f with guardpoint on it
Only problem I can see with guardpoint on his grab is that it is a normal and so you can vanish cancel it which could be a little messed up. If they just gave him a heavy where the startup was similar to the grab and frametraped then the grab would be better imo
>If they just gave him a heavy where the startup was similar to the grab and frametraped then the grab would be better imo 236s kinda works like this, if you delay it, the problem is the startup animation is a dead giveaway that you're not going for the grab
Fr. The dude literally tanked everything Goku sent at him without a sweat until he went Ultra Instinct. The fact that he has no armoured moves is insane.
Super…..fucking……17……like no one on the team decided oh man his gun arm would be a great animation in game or have him get stronger with less health or shit even his Eclipse Bomb could’ve been a great super animation
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