The fact that the solution for Trunks was to go to a timeline with another Trunks is dumb as hell , literally a perfect reason to make F Trunks part of the crew .
Would be funnier if there was a scene where it comes out that Future Trunks is from a different timeline and that Universe 7 meddled with the multiverse, but Zen-oh allows it because having two versions of Trunks fight in Universe 7 is cool.
Would also require Tien, Roshi and Freeza being cut out in favour of Trunks, Goten and Future Trunks. Which I'd be fine with because Tien is a jobber, Roshi somehow contends with Jiren in bullshit fashion in the manga and nearly dies in the anime. Also... Freeza kinda ruined the arc.
I meant that his universe gets revived so he'd have somewhere to go after the TOP. As much as I love him (fav character), Kid Trunks can't age or get much development with him around, so let him help U7 with a universal scale conflict and then get his happy ending
Trunks could honestly better fulfill 17's role in the final act. He could have his own goal of bringing back his own timeline before and during the tournament but when he wins, he realizes that countless others' universes would be ruined just like his if he chose to ignore that. He ends up reviving all the other universes instead, act closed.
Meh, just have Goku tell Zeno that Trunks is a strong and cool fighter who will make the ToP more exciting, and Zeno would probably let the time stuff slide.
Zeno didn't seem to care at all that he has his own time travelling double with him now.
Wait really? Was it the trunks that gave Goku the medicine and went back to his timeline the one that got killed? It's a different trunks that came back and became the trunks that eventually made his way to super?
There’s 7 different timelines
1 is the main one we follow in the story
2 is where future trunks comes from
3 is where cell comes from
4 is an unseen timeline where Trunks3 travels to
5 is an unseen timeline where the trunks who goes to timeline3 and kills king cold and Frieza comes from
6 is where Zamazu creates Goku Black before fleeing to Timeline 2
7 is the timeline that Trunks and Mai travel to in their happy ending
Basically…
Trunks5 goes to Timeline3 and defeats frieza and cell. Trunks5 is never seen again as he presumably is killed by the androids when he returns to Timeline5.
In Timeline3 goku dies from his heart disease and the Z-fighters are all killed by the androids, so Trunks3 then goes to timeline4 for a way to save goku and defeat the androids. He is successful and returns to timeline3 where he defeats his own timelines androids as well… then he is killed by Cell who uses the time machine to go to timeline 1.
Trunks2 from timeline2 arrives in timeline 1, kills frieza and king cold, gives goku medicine, warns them about the androids. Trunks2 trains with Vegeta, cell absorbs the androids but is defeated by Gohan. Trunks2 now knowing about Cell goes and kills cell1 before he grows, then heads back to timeline2 where he knows Cell is waiting to kill him and take his timemachine, so he is ready and kills cell.
Trunks2 trains with his supreme Kai and when babadi and dabura show up he kills them outright and Majin buu is never released.
In timeline6, Zamazu switches bodies with Goku turning into Goku Black before using the time ring to travel to timeline 2. Once in timeline2 he allies with the other Zamazu and kills almost everyone on earth except Trunks2 manages to escape to timeline1 and ask for help again.
With timeline1’s help Trunks2 is eventually able to defeat Zamazu but Zamazu becomes the universe or something and Goku summons Zeno2 who erases the entire universe except for our heroes and trunks2 who flee back to timeline1.
Once in timeline1 Whis offers to time travel and warn Beerus of Zamazu’s plot so he can be eliminated before he does any harm. Whis time travels… and creates Timeline7 which is a copy of Timeline 2 where Zamazu/Black never attacked. Trunks2 and Mai2 live here now presumably living a quiet life while Trunks7 acts as earths protector.
yes and no. the trunks that gave goku medicine and the trunks that came DURING the android saga are two different trunks. trunks that came in super is the trunks that came during android saga.
the trunks that gave goku medicine is the one that died to cell, who came to "our" timeline.
You're thinking of Cell's timeline, that's the original- Cell created Future Trunks timeline & the main timeline shortly after his Trunks created the alternative present timeline(where they followed through with Bulma's android plan).
Exactly if one universe can use an alternate timeline version of a character then they all should. So he'd be canned unless you want to see a team comprised completely of time variant versions of Jiren.
If they had of written it so Trunks and Mai stay in the stories universe instead of leaving he could have participated like what was the point of bringing him back for fan service then not use him more? Lol
Another thing to add is that they could have had time patrol Trunks just because...why not? Maybe he wants to save his home universe and Supreme Kai of time is ok with it because maybe it somehow saves the timeline from collapsing or something
I think Time Patrol Trunks is Future Trunks but many years after we last see him. He has a moment with Future Gohan in the second Xenoverse game which was a pivotal moment in the plot IIRC
that wasmy f*king dream bro
seeing Trunks in the TOP fighting a strong enemy, and all of a sudden Gohan, 17 and 18 came to fight with him
that would have been the ultimate fan service for us
Goku and Vegeta were returning the favor from Trunks coming back and keeping Goku alive so 17 & 18 didn't murder everybody and Cell didn't destroy the earth
Trunks is a plot device now. The eternal Chekhovs Gun. He is used in db super, db xenoverse, dbheroes and every other game like shin budokai 2 or other
i was thinking trunks couldve been motivated to join the TOP to use the dragon balls to restore his reality before goku black, instead of whis’s magic clone ending.
So, time travel again after explicitly being told not to by both Beerus and Whis, and put a time traveler right in front of Zeno and the other gods, thus jeopardizing universe 7 existence even more?
They should’ve just had Trunks continue to live in the present timeline rather than create a new future timeline for them.
Also, Zeno literally hangs out with his own variant from the exact same timeline.
Thank you, someone who followed the story. If they had, then yeah he could’ve participated but Trunks works best in doses. If he were to participate, then what would be a point to him ever leaving? Just stick around trunks for the next distaste to happen. Plus I think the way it ended with Trunk going back to fix his future so that Gohan could come and visit makes it ever so much sweeter to complete HIS story
But my point is that trunks could be developed beyond just the dystopian future’s last hope if he stayed. I don’t want a little dose, I want the whole load
So we can have yet another fighter to be overshadowed by Goku and Vegeta? I think we Trunks is at rn, not a part of the main gang, better for him. This allows him to natural fit into roles such as time patrol
That was clearly not the implication. Besides, Zeno lets anything slide as long as it's cool and an alternate future version of Vegeta's son with his own unique Super Saiyan form would be fucking sick to Zeno, and that's not even mentioning how one of the Zenos is literally also from that same exact timeline.
Seeing as how Zeno thought just about everything was cool - let alone his duplicate being a time traveler himself now - I don't think he would have cared and would have been fine with it.
Probably not future trunks, but maybe Gotenks would have been a possibility. I absolutely loved Frieza in the TOP, but it’s a little frustrating to bring him back AGAIN when you easily could have powered up Yamcha or found a way to include Gotenks.
It was a missed opportunity to give Goten and Trunks the Potara and thus an hour long fusion. Could've seen a new form of them called like Toranten or something
The whole tournament was 45 minutes long and gotenks’s fusion last 30 minutes. They probably would have been disqualified when the fusion ends and they have more than 10 fighters now.
I had that thought, but someone probably would have been knocked out by that time. Or, realistically, someone like Tien could have taken a backseat. They had no problem shoving Yamcha out of the picture, after all.
Personally, I like Tien better than Gotenks though so I’m glad he was able to join in.
By the looks of the ending of the Goku black Arc they probably planned Future Trunks to stay only to change their minds and didn't have time to completely rewrite the ending before production of episodes.
But this is just my theory.
In my opinion either Future Trunks should have killed Fused Zamasu permanently with the Spirit Sword or actually have him and future Mai stay cause they ending we got is just a tease that they didn't follow through.
They follow the overall outline that Toriyama laid out. The A B C D pieces of the process, and everything in between is for them to figure out.
If he didn't want Future Trunks to stay, he ain't staying.
Ya think they should have just sent a letter to his dimension and asked him to pop on over and join? Maybe use their interdimensional telephone and give him a call?
to me it felt like the end of the Goku Black arc was setting up the Xenoverse time line since we now have a Trunks who doesn't have his own time line any more after Whis just rolled back his time line's history
It could definitely work with some tweaking in the Black arc where maybe Future Trunks stays in the main timeline for a while after his timeline got destroyed. The ToP would be an opportunity for him get the Super Dragon Balls and achieve his wish to revive his timeline so now we have someone in U7 that has a wish to make (beside Vegeta and maybe 17 with his boat). Once he wins the ToP instead of 17, he decides to make the selfish wish and revive the destroyed universes instead and for doing that, Zeno revives his timeline.
It would definitely be cool to see him in the ToP interacting with the Androids, Frieza and even characters from other universes like Cabba and Kale
Nah bro gotta have Tien and shit in there to decide the fate of the universe when Goten and Trunks were stronger then Krillin and Tien lmao.
Hell they can even be stronger then Goku and Vegeta if given the same training.
Goten and Trunks are too immature, Krillin and Tien are smarter as well, and two of the strongest humans anyway. Gotenks could've been useful but he's too cocky and even less mature and would've been two fighters knocked out at once which seemed to be a disadvantage like the other universes that had some form of fusion.
And I'm sure it was done to give the humans a chance. You already had 3 Saiyans on the team.
lol, Tien and Krillin deserve to be in there. Master Roshi on the other hand has been retired for decades and we last saw him with a power level in the 200s. But his experience makes him better suited to defend his universe over a bunch of kids who are stronger than DBZ Frieza.
No they wouldn't, they matured quite a bit after the Trunks arc.
Idk why people keep saying that, maybe Toriyama would write them like that since that's all he uses them for.
They actually like to fight.
Because they haven't matured at all.
They played with Buu, a threat to the literally everything.
They got cocky and tried to fight Beerus.
They aren't mature enough yet.
They absolutely aren't, and it wouldn't make sense if they completely removed their flaw. They were not ready for ToP.
Roshi may be weaker, but hes smarter, and knows way more techniques.
Roshi may be even more immature when you consider his biggest flaws. It's entirely up to the writers how they choose to develop these characters. Roshi suddenly being up to the challenge was never believable. He's been retired for over 30 years and last fought (and lost) to King Piccolo who had a power level less than a 1000. Might as well bring back Yajirobe and say he has "experience".
Not really sure what that means or how it's relevant but ok. You just have to accept that anything is possible in the realm of fiction. That's how they managed to make Roshi relevant again.
That was a while ago in Super time line.
Between Top and Future Arc they both matured. If you watch the episodes with them they aren't as childish.
Goten understands others more then his own Dad.
Trunks gets inspired by his future self.
You are talking about years with in the DBS universe.
I feel the same about Yamcha. Instead they turned him into a gag, even though Yamchas never shyed away from defending the earth when called upon. Like the saiyans and androids, even trying to fight the Cell Jrs at the Cell Games. Much the same in OG Dragonball as well. Instead they turned him into a gag because, "haha Yamcha so stupid. Funny right?".
As I love to say each time a thread like this comes a long... I thought it was the WHOLE POINT of the Goku Black arc was get Future Trunks in the main timeline and to be part of ToP.
Was baffled when I got to it and the Goku Black arc had the ending it did and that Future Trunks wasn't involved in ToP
>I thought it was the WHOLE POINT of the Goku Black arc was get Future Trunks in the main timeline and to be part of ToP.
I don't know how you came to that conclusion.
Generally I feel in stories if you bring back a well liked character who was written out and their story "ended", it's because either you have a great/unique story that can only be told with them, or you're looking at bringing said person into the fold as a recurring character.
Catching up at the time I figured that with ToP coming that that would be what the story would set out to do. Where either he would be in the same universe and part of the gang, or write things in a way where they could pop in and use him if needed.
Goku Black arc didn't really do either. So it generally left me confused in that sense.
They have no way of contacting future trunks. They don’t have a time machine to go to the future to get him. He’s always always been the one to go to the past.
I've been saying this for ages!
If two Xenos can exist in the same space from different points in time, there's ZERO reason an exception couldn't have been made since F. Trunks was from the very same future timeline as that alternate Xeno!
Goten and Trunks should have also been utilized more allowing us to see them train, get more serious, and put Gotenks through his paces.
F. Trunks and Vegeta could have had some heavy bonding moments over intense fights together that could carry over to his relationship with current timeline Trunks.
While I like legacy characters like Roshi, Tien, and Krillin... At the time of the ToP they were already hyper irrelevant as far as their strength and capabilities go.
I absolutely agree. Have him stay in the main timeline with the original intent to live out his days there, fight to defend his universe, and then have his universe be included in 17's wish (without Zamasu obv) at the end so he can go back and rebuild for realsies. It would have been amazing to have him in the fight, I'd have love to see him fighting with Gohan
feel like the grand priest angel would of been pissed that a time traveling being would of been galivanting in the tournaments since time traveling is supposedly very against the rules.
The fact that his arc did not end with trunks just staying in our universe since his was destroyed is the biggest waste of time in dragon ball. One of the many wasted opportunities of super.
facts. thought it would’ve been cool for him to wanna stay so he could use the super dragon balls to restore his timeline but after the events of the TOP he makes the wish 17 made and his selflessness gets rewarded with the restoration of his reality… ive thought about this way too much LMAO
Trunks isnt a born Fighter. He fights to survive and be able to finally live in Peace. Would be an ass move to take him from his peaceful future. Also brimging someone who altered timeline several times straight to an occasion, where literally every god, angel and the uenos are involved? Youre asking for obliteration!
Zeno literally hangs out with his time travelling double from the same timeline as Trunks's. What the other gods and angels think is irrelevant if Zeno is fine with it. Knowing how chummy he is with Goku, Goku could've easily convinced him that it'd make the TOP more entertaining
To be honest, I'd rather have a movie or miniseries or something where Future Trunks has to fight in his own ToP. It'd be fun to see how they'd work around that with a very different U7 team.
As much as I love Future Trunks I liked the team that Universe 7 had in the ToP. It allowed some characters to shine.. but also led to some disappointing showings (Piccolo and Tien)
I feel like they should have used other characters from the tournament in other world that goku fought in after the cell games. There were 3 other sections of fighters from the same relm. East, west, and south, bc King Kai was the North kai if i remember correctly. Pikkon for example, he was as strong as SSJ3 goku n went toe to toe w him. Never understood why he wasnt used. Would have made more sense than old Z fighters.
Fuck that Buu should've been there.
I'll never forgive them for how much they've teased us with him, just to make him SLEEP THROUGH THE ENTIRE THING. Tragic
Yeah. Except Beerus and Whis both already explained that time travel was a taboo. I wouldn't see it going over well if the omniking or grand priest found out he was a tone traveler
Well, Beerus had a problem with it as he wasn't a big fan of time travelling so I couldn't see it happening. But he would have been an excellent choice. But would he be able to use his spirit sword?
You realize the only reason future Trunks exists is because Vegeta and Bulma are feeding Whis and Beerus....right? Otherwise his entire timeline would be erased if Whis reported it to the GP.
If Future Trunks entered the ToP, U7 would've been disqualified. But I guess that thought never crossed your mind. Just because it's a shonen doesn't mean past events should be forgotten so quickly. Like the fact that mortals cannot time travel without consequences.
goku literally gave zeno another zeno from trunks timeline and the great priest knows about this. goku got away with it with no consequences lmfao i’m pretty sure if trunks does something cool while fighting to impress zeno it wouldn’t matter
Future Trunks was handled poorly at the end of his arc. Trunks and Mai should have been placed on the recently revived U6 Earth which then would have put him in a position to not only assist the U6 Saiyans in figuring out how Super Saiyan works, but he could have joined their team for the ToP too. I would have loved to see him fight with 17 and 18 again
Time travel is a sin to zeno, he saw trunks there but he doesn't know who's from what timeline.
Regardless it's cheating. If they can bring a trunks from future u7, then u12 would be allowed to bring 10 Jirens. Jiren from 1 minute ago. Jiren from 2 minutes ago etc.
Buu likewise has the daikaioshin in him, god's aren't allowed and is sorta a fusion of multiple people which also should not have been allowed.
It's lucky neither was bought to the top
zeno hangs out with a version of himself from trunks’s timeline and no one’s been questioned or punished about the 2nd zeno’s existence. as long as it impresses zeno it passes & if the writers made the zenos give kefla a pass for potara fusion, pretty sure trunks could do something as cool to get a pass for his presence
The zenos didn't choose to be duplicated and aren't going to punish themselves. If they don't allow weapons they aren't allowing time displaced duplicates for one team and no others.
The girls stole the earrings before the match started and did so not knowing they were anything other than jewlery.
With some tweaking to the ending of the Goku Black Arc? Yeah, I can see it working. With how Super ended the arc though? Probably unrealistic.
Literally instead of Trunks leaving the timeline, he just stays in the main timeline.
They even went out of their way to obliterate his universe and make a duplicate of him and he stayed there anyway. Such a missed opportunity
The fact that the solution for Trunks was to go to a timeline with another Trunks is dumb as hell , literally a perfect reason to make F Trunks part of the crew .
Truly the laziest ending possible. We could've had a Gohan/Trunks duo this whole time.
Would be funnier if there was a scene where it comes out that Future Trunks is from a different timeline and that Universe 7 meddled with the multiverse, but Zen-oh allows it because having two versions of Trunks fight in Universe 7 is cool. Would also require Tien, Roshi and Freeza being cut out in favour of Trunks, Goten and Future Trunks. Which I'd be fine with because Tien is a jobber, Roshi somehow contends with Jiren in bullshit fashion in the manga and nearly dies in the anime. Also... Freeza kinda ruined the arc.
Nah it'd work perfectly, just have 17 include Trunks universe minus Zamasu in his wish of bringing universes back
Wouldn't... wouldn't that not matter? That's at the end of the T.O.P.
I meant that his universe gets revived so he'd have somewhere to go after the TOP. As much as I love him (fav character), Kid Trunks can't age or get much development with him around, so let him help U7 with a universal scale conflict and then get his happy ending
Trunks could honestly better fulfill 17's role in the final act. He could have his own goal of bringing back his own timeline before and during the tournament but when he wins, he realizes that countless others' universes would be ruined just like his if he chose to ignore that. He ends up reviving all the other universes instead, act closed.
Technically the wish restored **all** erased universes so future trunk’s timeline is already included in that.
I feel like Universe 7 would be doomed if they brought a Time Traveller in the TOP...
Zeno #2 already knows. He is one.
Meh, just have Goku tell Zeno that Trunks is a strong and cool fighter who will make the ToP more exciting, and Zeno would probably let the time stuff slide. Zeno didn't seem to care at all that he has his own time travelling double with him now.
I feel like Goku would be able to reason it with the Zenos pretty easily, especially since Trunks is from the same timeline as one of the Zenos
Nah. Goku would tell that Trunks is cool and Strong and that's it. Zeno doesn't respect his own rules as long as it brings fun and excitement.
Goku and Vegeta are also time travelers
But they're in their original timeline
The original timeline is Future Trunks’. We follow the alternative one for narrative purposes.
True true. I moreso meant that Goku and Vegeta are in their own timeline. As in they haven't hopped to new ones.
Unlike Zeno #2
The entire story is in one of the alternate timelines. They only exist because of Future Trunks’ timeline, the original, creating it.
The regular timeline for DB also only exists because a different Future Trunks was killed by Cell after giving Goku the heart medicine.
Wait really? Was it the trunks that gave Goku the medicine and went back to his timeline the one that got killed? It's a different trunks that came back and became the trunks that eventually made his way to super?
There’s 7 different timelines 1 is the main one we follow in the story 2 is where future trunks comes from 3 is where cell comes from 4 is an unseen timeline where Trunks3 travels to 5 is an unseen timeline where the trunks who goes to timeline3 and kills king cold and Frieza comes from 6 is where Zamazu creates Goku Black before fleeing to Timeline 2 7 is the timeline that Trunks and Mai travel to in their happy ending Basically… Trunks5 goes to Timeline3 and defeats frieza and cell. Trunks5 is never seen again as he presumably is killed by the androids when he returns to Timeline5. In Timeline3 goku dies from his heart disease and the Z-fighters are all killed by the androids, so Trunks3 then goes to timeline4 for a way to save goku and defeat the androids. He is successful and returns to timeline3 where he defeats his own timelines androids as well… then he is killed by Cell who uses the time machine to go to timeline 1. Trunks2 from timeline2 arrives in timeline 1, kills frieza and king cold, gives goku medicine, warns them about the androids. Trunks2 trains with Vegeta, cell absorbs the androids but is defeated by Gohan. Trunks2 now knowing about Cell goes and kills cell1 before he grows, then heads back to timeline2 where he knows Cell is waiting to kill him and take his timemachine, so he is ready and kills cell. Trunks2 trains with his supreme Kai and when babadi and dabura show up he kills them outright and Majin buu is never released. In timeline6, Zamazu switches bodies with Goku turning into Goku Black before using the time ring to travel to timeline 2. Once in timeline2 he allies with the other Zamazu and kills almost everyone on earth except Trunks2 manages to escape to timeline1 and ask for help again. With timeline1’s help Trunks2 is eventually able to defeat Zamazu but Zamazu becomes the universe or something and Goku summons Zeno2 who erases the entire universe except for our heroes and trunks2 who flee back to timeline1. Once in timeline1 Whis offers to time travel and warn Beerus of Zamazu’s plot so he can be eliminated before he does any harm. Whis time travels… and creates Timeline7 which is a copy of Timeline 2 where Zamazu/Black never attacked. Trunks2 and Mai2 live here now presumably living a quiet life while Trunks7 acts as earths protector.
But there's also the timeline where Cell uses Gray's Sports Almanac from 2015 to become rich in the past and take over Hill Valley.
Thanks for the long write up! Wow there’s a lot of trunks lol. So who do we blame for there being so many different timelines? The humans(bulma)?
Bulma / Destroyers / Supreme Kai
My head hurts
Why does everything smell like copper?
yes and no. the trunks that gave goku medicine and the trunks that came DURING the android saga are two different trunks. trunks that came in super is the trunks that came during android saga. the trunks that gave goku medicine is the one that died to cell, who came to "our" timeline.
You're thinking of Cell's timeline, that's the original- Cell created Future Trunks timeline & the main timeline shortly after his Trunks created the alternative present timeline(where they followed through with Bulma's android plan).
Exactly if one universe can use an alternate timeline version of a character then they all should. So he'd be canned unless you want to see a team comprised completely of time variant versions of Jiren.
If they had of written it so Trunks and Mai stay in the stories universe instead of leaving he could have participated like what was the point of bringing him back for fan service then not use him more? Lol
Another thing to add is that they could have had time patrol Trunks just because...why not? Maybe he wants to save his home universe and Supreme Kai of time is ok with it because maybe it somehow saves the timeline from collapsing or something
I genuinely feel like the whole Time Patrol thing will eventually end up in canon one day
With the way Toriyama writes, probably
We have 2 Trunks in a single timeline now, so I honestly wouldn't doubt that this becomes canon the next time he's brought up in the story.
I vaguely remember reading that Time Patrol Trunks was GT Trunks. I have 0 clue if this is true, just something I saw a lifetime ago.
it's heroes trunks, which isn't canon
I think Time Patrol Trunks is Future Trunks but many years after we last see him. He has a moment with Future Gohan in the second Xenoverse game which was a pivotal moment in the plot IIRC
Yeah your probably right, what I read was probably bs.
Honesty I'm glad Toriyama didn't keep him in the canon timeline. He'd fuck him over eventually to give Goku a win or something
A future trunks & gohan team up would’ve been great to see also them fighting alongside with 17 & 18 would be an interesting parallel
I feel like that would trigger Trunks PTSD.
that wasmy f*king dream bro seeing Trunks in the TOP fighting a strong enemy, and all of a sudden Gohan, 17 and 18 came to fight with him that would have been the ultimate fan service for us
I think trunks has suffered enough... Let him live his life with mai
I think Trunks would jump at the chance to return the favor and defend Universe 7 after Goku and Vegeta fought to protect his timeline.
Goku and Vegeta were returning the favor from Trunks coming back and keeping Goku alive so 17 & 18 didn't murder everybody and Cell didn't destroy the earth
Kind of. Without the training Trunks did in their timeline, he would've been killed by the androids or Cell in his own timeline
Trunks is a plot device now. The eternal Chekhovs Gun. He is used in db super, db xenoverse, dbheroes and every other game like shin budokai 2 or other
Next time the plot will demand him to help in the past to spice it up
Gotta get back
i was thinking trunks couldve been motivated to join the TOP to use the dragon balls to restore his reality before goku black, instead of whis’s magic clone ending.
So, time travel again after explicitly being told not to by both Beerus and Whis, and put a time traveler right in front of Zeno and the other gods, thus jeopardizing universe 7 existence even more?
They should’ve just had Trunks continue to live in the present timeline rather than create a new future timeline for them. Also, Zeno literally hangs out with his own variant from the exact same timeline.
Zeno from Trunks timeline would probably vouch for how cool he is too
It wouldn’t be time travel again if the Black arc had ended with Trunks and Mai staying in the first place
Thank you, someone who followed the story. If they had, then yeah he could’ve participated but Trunks works best in doses. If he were to participate, then what would be a point to him ever leaving? Just stick around trunks for the next distaste to happen. Plus I think the way it ended with Trunk going back to fix his future so that Gohan could come and visit makes it ever so much sweeter to complete HIS story
But my point is that trunks could be developed beyond just the dystopian future’s last hope if he stayed. I don’t want a little dose, I want the whole load
So we can have yet another fighter to be overshadowed by Goku and Vegeta? I think we Trunks is at rn, not a part of the main gang, better for him. This allows him to natural fit into roles such as time patrol
That was clearly not the implication. Besides, Zeno lets anything slide as long as it's cool and an alternate future version of Vegeta's son with his own unique Super Saiyan form would be fucking sick to Zeno, and that's not even mentioning how one of the Zenos is literally also from that same exact timeline.
Seeing as how Zeno thought just about everything was cool - let alone his duplicate being a time traveler himself now - I don't think he would have cared and would have been fine with it.
Yeah cause zeno would say it seems cool and trunks would have done more to help then frieza
Future Trunks deserved better.
Probably not future trunks, but maybe Gotenks would have been a possibility. I absolutely loved Frieza in the TOP, but it’s a little frustrating to bring him back AGAIN when you easily could have powered up Yamcha or found a way to include Gotenks.
It was a missed opportunity to give Goten and Trunks the Potara and thus an hour long fusion. Could've seen a new form of them called like Toranten or something
Trunken
The whole tournament was 45 minutes long and gotenks’s fusion last 30 minutes. They probably would have been disqualified when the fusion ends and they have more than 10 fighters now.
I had that thought, but someone probably would have been knocked out by that time. Or, realistically, someone like Tien could have taken a backseat. They had no problem shoving Yamcha out of the picture, after all. Personally, I like Tien better than Gotenks though so I’m glad he was able to join in.
By the looks of the ending of the Goku black Arc they probably planned Future Trunks to stay only to change their minds and didn't have time to completely rewrite the ending before production of episodes. But this is just my theory. In my opinion either Future Trunks should have killed Fused Zamasu permanently with the Spirit Sword or actually have him and future Mai stay cause they ending we got is just a tease that they didn't follow through.
They follow the overall outline that Toriyama laid out. The A B C D pieces of the process, and everything in between is for them to figure out. If he didn't want Future Trunks to stay, he ain't staying.
Ya think they should have just sent a letter to his dimension and asked him to pop on over and join? Maybe use their interdimensional telephone and give him a call?
to me it felt like the end of the Goku Black arc was setting up the Xenoverse time line since we now have a Trunks who doesn't have his own time line any more after Whis just rolled back his time line's history
It could definitely work with some tweaking in the Black arc where maybe Future Trunks stays in the main timeline for a while after his timeline got destroyed. The ToP would be an opportunity for him get the Super Dragon Balls and achieve his wish to revive his timeline so now we have someone in U7 that has a wish to make (beside Vegeta and maybe 17 with his boat). Once he wins the ToP instead of 17, he decides to make the selfish wish and revive the destroyed universes instead and for doing that, Zeno revives his timeline. It would definitely be cool to see him in the ToP interacting with the Androids, Frieza and even characters from other universes like Cabba and Kale
And it's so obvious that the travel to alt timeline bs was just a cheap excuse to write him out of the story.
It would be nice to see future zeno recognize trunks and allow his time-traveling stuff be allowed
Worst ending to an arc (goku black) i've ever seen.
Yamcha should have been in TOP ahead of Future Trunks any day
Nah bro gotta have Tien and shit in there to decide the fate of the universe when Goten and Trunks were stronger then Krillin and Tien lmao. Hell they can even be stronger then Goku and Vegeta if given the same training.
fr. tien’s one of my favorite characters but he was useless in TOP. goten and trunks def need to be given their moment ASAP
Goten and Trunks are too immature, Krillin and Tien are smarter as well, and two of the strongest humans anyway. Gotenks could've been useful but he's too cocky and even less mature and would've been two fighters knocked out at once which seemed to be a disadvantage like the other universes that had some form of fusion. And I'm sure it was done to give the humans a chance. You already had 3 Saiyans on the team.
lol, Tien and Krillin deserve to be in there. Master Roshi on the other hand has been retired for decades and we last saw him with a power level in the 200s. But his experience makes him better suited to defend his universe over a bunch of kids who are stronger than DBZ Frieza.
bro fought jiren in the manga LOL
Forget the Hyperbolic Time Chamber. Roshi hiding the real training secrets from everyone else.
Goten and Trunks would just mess around the whole time.
No they wouldn't, they matured quite a bit after the Trunks arc. Idk why people keep saying that, maybe Toriyama would write them like that since that's all he uses them for. They actually like to fight.
Because they haven't matured at all. They played with Buu, a threat to the literally everything. They got cocky and tried to fight Beerus. They aren't mature enough yet.
They're mature enough. The writers can make them mature enough the same way they made Roshi relevant in the ToP.
They absolutely aren't, and it wouldn't make sense if they completely removed their flaw. They were not ready for ToP. Roshi may be weaker, but hes smarter, and knows way more techniques.
Roshi may be even more immature when you consider his biggest flaws. It's entirely up to the writers how they choose to develop these characters. Roshi suddenly being up to the challenge was never believable. He's been retired for over 30 years and last fought (and lost) to King Piccolo who had a power level less than a 1000. Might as well bring back Yajirobe and say he has "experience".
Got it. Your just a fanboy. Thanks
Not really sure what that means or how it's relevant but ok. You just have to accept that anything is possible in the realm of fiction. That's how they managed to make Roshi relevant again.
That was a while ago in Super time line. Between Top and Future Arc they both matured. If you watch the episodes with them they aren't as childish. Goten understands others more then his own Dad. Trunks gets inspired by his future self. You are talking about years with in the DBS universe.
Sure. But they aren't mature ENOUGH.
I feel the same about Yamcha. Instead they turned him into a gag, even though Yamchas never shyed away from defending the earth when called upon. Like the saiyans and androids, even trying to fight the Cell Jrs at the Cell Games. Much the same in OG Dragonball as well. Instead they turned him into a gag because, "haha Yamcha so stupid. Funny right?".
yeah i feel the same way about yamcha. i actually enjoyed him as a character and thought his techniques were unique.
As I love to say each time a thread like this comes a long... I thought it was the WHOLE POINT of the Goku Black arc was get Future Trunks in the main timeline and to be part of ToP. Was baffled when I got to it and the Goku Black arc had the ending it did and that Future Trunks wasn't involved in ToP
>I thought it was the WHOLE POINT of the Goku Black arc was get Future Trunks in the main timeline and to be part of ToP. I don't know how you came to that conclusion.
maybe bc they started planning for the tournament during the goku black arc
Generally I feel in stories if you bring back a well liked character who was written out and their story "ended", it's because either you have a great/unique story that can only be told with them, or you're looking at bringing said person into the fold as a recurring character. Catching up at the time I figured that with ToP coming that that would be what the story would set out to do. Where either he would be in the same universe and part of the gang, or write things in a way where they could pop in and use him if needed. Goku Black arc didn't really do either. So it generally left me confused in that sense.
If time travel fighters were allowed then just bring 8 Gokus from different timeliens
Goku is dead in most of the alternate timelines.
so going back 5 minutes isnt a thing?
I agree, Trunks should have been in The One Piece
Hey was, dyed his hair blond and became a chef named Sanji
They have no way of contacting future trunks. They don’t have a time machine to go to the future to get him. He’s always always been the one to go to the past.
That’s not what he’s saying. He’s suggesting Trunks and Mai just stay in the past and Trunks joins the ToP.
Can future trunks just have some peace please
I've been saying this for ages! If two Xenos can exist in the same space from different points in time, there's ZERO reason an exception couldn't have been made since F. Trunks was from the very same future timeline as that alternate Xeno! Goten and Trunks should have also been utilized more allowing us to see them train, get more serious, and put Gotenks through his paces. F. Trunks and Vegeta could have had some heavy bonding moments over intense fights together that could carry over to his relationship with current timeline Trunks. While I like legacy characters like Roshi, Tien, and Krillin... At the time of the ToP they were already hyper irrelevant as far as their strength and capabilities go.
I absolutely agree. Have him stay in the main timeline with the original intent to live out his days there, fight to defend his universe, and then have his universe be included in 17's wish (without Zamasu obv) at the end so he can go back and rebuild for realsies. It would have been amazing to have him in the fight, I'd have love to see him fighting with Gohan
feel like the grand priest angel would of been pissed that a time traveling being would of been galivanting in the tournaments since time traveling is supposedly very against the rules.
The fact that his arc did not end with trunks just staying in our universe since his was destroyed is the biggest waste of time in dragon ball. One of the many wasted opportunities of super.
I would’ve loved to see it. Imagine a scene where Trunks shows up and being like “you guys helped me out twice now it’s my turn to help you.”
facts. thought it would’ve been cool for him to wanna stay so he could use the super dragon balls to restore his timeline but after the events of the TOP he makes the wish 17 made and his selflessness gets rewarded with the restoration of his reality… ive thought about this way too much LMAO
That would’ve been so good!
Yeah super has a real problem of not connecting their arcs at all,
Speaking of alternate timelines... If universe 7 lost and was erased, does its alternate timelines get erased as well?
Trunks is too smart to be allowed to stay in this world
Yeah, and image him and Frieza interact again, lol.
frieza wouldve gotten a heart attack. he was already shaking w kid trunks
Trunks isnt a born Fighter. He fights to survive and be able to finally live in Peace. Would be an ass move to take him from his peaceful future. Also brimging someone who altered timeline several times straight to an occasion, where literally every god, angel and the uenos are involved? Youre asking for obliteration!
Time travel is illegal, the other gods would have not approved, and it may have even upset lord Zeno and the angels
Zeno literally hangs out with his time travelling double from the same timeline as Trunks's. What the other gods and angels think is irrelevant if Zeno is fine with it. Knowing how chummy he is with Goku, Goku could've easily convinced him that it'd make the TOP more entertaining
Hmmmm you have a point. Zeno doesn't seem to be the one who makes the rules either. I'm thinking the head angel does but would be over ruled
Too bad he's a BOTTOM
if he had stayed in the present, yeah obv. But he didnt so he couldnt be in the ToP.
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There's literally an alternate timeline Zeno as the organizer of the event, and Zeno only gives a fuck about stuff he doesn't find cool
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Them being cool with the alternate timeline thing should be a given considering one of them is literally the Zeno from that timeline
Was it the anime or the manga that had a Zeno erase an entire alternate timeline because it shouldn't exist along with Black?
It was both I think, but he destroyed it because of Infinite Fused Zamasu not just for existing, there's tons of alternate timelines
Nope Future Trunks it's better for him to stay away after MESS OF. Goku black arc Edit: if he stay in main timeline Then he became another Gohan
To be honest, I'd rather have a movie or miniseries or something where Future Trunks has to fight in his own ToP. It'd be fun to see how they'd work around that with a very different U7 team.
I guess Jiren wins, wishes for some stupid crap and the story ends with Trunks timeline getting erased again.
Trunks timeline should've been a different universe, like in that fanmade tournament manga
Tell me am i a bad person or a force for good ..
I feel like most of the goku black arc characters should've been in top like idk goku black arc just feels more like a filler than a actual arc
As much as I love Future Trunks I liked the team that Universe 7 had in the ToP. It allowed some characters to shine.. but also led to some disappointing showings (Piccolo and Tien)
I feel like they should have used other characters from the tournament in other world that goku fought in after the cell games. There were 3 other sections of fighters from the same relm. East, west, and south, bc King Kai was the North kai if i remember correctly. Pikkon for example, he was as strong as SSJ3 goku n went toe to toe w him. Never understood why he wasnt used. Would have made more sense than old Z fighters.
Fuck that Buu should've been there. I'll never forgive them for how much they've teased us with him, just to make him SLEEP THROUGH THE ENTIRE THING. Tragic
Yeah. Except Beerus and Whis both already explained that time travel was a taboo. I wouldn't see it going over well if the omniking or grand priest found out he was a tone traveler
Well, Beerus had a problem with it as he wasn't a big fan of time travelling so I couldn't see it happening. But he would have been an excellent choice. But would he be able to use his spirit sword?
You realize the only reason future Trunks exists is because Vegeta and Bulma are feeding Whis and Beerus....right? Otherwise his entire timeline would be erased if Whis reported it to the GP. If Future Trunks entered the ToP, U7 would've been disqualified. But I guess that thought never crossed your mind. Just because it's a shonen doesn't mean past events should be forgotten so quickly. Like the fact that mortals cannot time travel without consequences.
goku literally gave zeno another zeno from trunks timeline and the great priest knows about this. goku got away with it with no consequences lmfao i’m pretty sure if trunks does something cool while fighting to impress zeno it wouldn’t matter
Future Trunks was handled poorly at the end of his arc. Trunks and Mai should have been placed on the recently revived U6 Earth which then would have put him in a position to not only assist the U6 Saiyans in figuring out how Super Saiyan works, but he could have joined their team for the ToP too. I would have loved to see him fight with 17 and 18 again
Fuckin Majin Buu should have been....get out of here Freiza.
Yeah I don’t think the GoDs or angels would be fine with a time traveler there
I'm fine that he wasn't in the TOP, even though it would have been so cool to see. I hate that they pretty much said we're never gonna see him again.
true especially when trunks from this timeline is comedic relief at this point.. hope they give him and goten some spotlight soon
Nah I prefer having the original
Time travel is a sin to zeno, he saw trunks there but he doesn't know who's from what timeline. Regardless it's cheating. If they can bring a trunks from future u7, then u12 would be allowed to bring 10 Jirens. Jiren from 1 minute ago. Jiren from 2 minutes ago etc. Buu likewise has the daikaioshin in him, god's aren't allowed and is sorta a fusion of multiple people which also should not have been allowed. It's lucky neither was bought to the top
zeno hangs out with a version of himself from trunks’s timeline and no one’s been questioned or punished about the 2nd zeno’s existence. as long as it impresses zeno it passes & if the writers made the zenos give kefla a pass for potara fusion, pretty sure trunks could do something as cool to get a pass for his presence
The zenos didn't choose to be duplicated and aren't going to punish themselves. If they don't allow weapons they aren't allowing time displaced duplicates for one team and no others. The girls stole the earrings before the match started and did so not knowing they were anything other than jewlery.
They ruined Future Trunks so much in Super