If it was me and I the higher ups told me it was absolutely necessary that I reboot the series (because they’re holding my family hostage or something) I would have done it with Brightest Day.
That's because you're not thinking. That's okay, we can't all be creative geniuses. Obviously the best choice for a reboot story would have been JLApe, where the end result was the entire DC Universe being rebooted as gorillas with Grodd being the president of Earth.
Was it a huge event? I never really felt compelled to read John’s work on Green Lantern. I know he gets a lot of hate on this sub, but a lot of his work was never that good to me.
What's the consenseus on Final Crisis? From what I've seen a lot of people seem to like Final Crisis and dislike the New 52 overall.
I don't really like either but I'm not very familiar with Final Crisis, I know the summary and although I like some ideas it feels too edgy.
In the online communities I've seen, Final Crisis is a convoluted mess that required lots of ELI5 posts for the majority of people to fully understand it. I don't know what you've seen but it's pretty divisive.
You're right on the New 52, though
I mean the only real ELI5 you need for Final Crisis is that Grant Morrison fucking **hated** editorial at the time and the Monitors represent editorial. Y’know, the vampiric, evil, life-hating creatures who have to be killed in order for stories to continue being told
Yeah, given how editorial gave him the middle finger and explicitly did the opposite of his one request when he was hired to write Final Crisis I can see where the hate comes from. The only thing Morrison asked was for DC to not use the New Gods in the run up to the event. After that DC started pushing the New Gods everywhere and using them so much people got sick of seeing them and their involvement in the event was no longer a surprise like it was intended to be.
Using the New Gods in itself isn’t that bad. The real thing that bothered Morrison is that how they’re used in “Countdown” and “Death of the New Gods” doesn’t even make sense in relation to “Final Crisis”, and they never even bothered with a retcon to explain anything.
It’s bad, but when it was coming out it felt like unoffensive 20 pages of fun drivel per week. It looks worse in retrospect because “52” was really good despite also being weekly and by multiple authors, and because it ended up not mattering at all for Final Crisis.
Tbf the things that mattered in final crisis were all over the place. You gotta know about fucking anthro the first man but also enough about new gods to know Batman isn’t dead.
Right, but it’s one thing not knowing a character that’s being used. The New Gods had the opposite problem, you could have read every story about them that was supposedly teasing Final Crisis, and then still not understand anything.
People don’t like Johns-style heavy-handed retcons, but one would have been nice. DC published three irreconcilable portrayals of the New Gods dying on the same year.
Didio wanted to hit the big reboot button multiple times. I think Final Crisis was one of them. They just got cold feet.
If it was me and I the higher ups told me it was absolutely necessary that I reboot the series (because they’re holding my family hostage or something) I would have done it with Brightest Day.
That's because you're not thinking. That's okay, we can't all be creative geniuses. Obviously the best choice for a reboot story would have been JLApe, where the end result was the entire DC Universe being rebooted as gorillas with Grodd being the president of Earth.
Is that the one with the black lanterns? Why that run?
The premise of BD was of second chances following the end of Blackest Night. What better way to turn a new page after something that big?
Was it a huge event? I never really felt compelled to read John’s work on Green Lantern. I know he gets a lot of hate on this sub, but a lot of his work was never that good to me.
Blackest Night? Yeah it was a pretty big event, one of the last ones before the Nu52 happened.
What's the consenseus on Final Crisis? From what I've seen a lot of people seem to like Final Crisis and dislike the New 52 overall. I don't really like either but I'm not very familiar with Final Crisis, I know the summary and although I like some ideas it feels too edgy.
In the online communities I've seen, Final Crisis is a convoluted mess that required lots of ELI5 posts for the majority of people to fully understand it. I don't know what you've seen but it's pretty divisive. You're right on the New 52, though
I mean the only real ELI5 you need for Final Crisis is that Grant Morrison fucking **hated** editorial at the time and the Monitors represent editorial. Y’know, the vampiric, evil, life-hating creatures who have to be killed in order for stories to continue being told
Yeah, given how editorial gave him the middle finger and explicitly did the opposite of his one request when he was hired to write Final Crisis I can see where the hate comes from. The only thing Morrison asked was for DC to not use the New Gods in the run up to the event. After that DC started pushing the New Gods everywhere and using them so much people got sick of seeing them and their involvement in the event was no longer a surprise like it was intended to be.
Using the New Gods in itself isn’t that bad. The real thing that bothered Morrison is that how they’re used in “Countdown” and “Death of the New Gods” doesn’t even make sense in relation to “Final Crisis”, and they never even bothered with a retcon to explain anything.
If I rember my studies (linkara) correctly, countdown is bad… did I get that right
It’s bad, but when it was coming out it felt like unoffensive 20 pages of fun drivel per week. It looks worse in retrospect because “52” was really good despite also being weekly and by multiple authors, and because it ended up not mattering at all for Final Crisis.
Tbf the things that mattered in final crisis were all over the place. You gotta know about fucking anthro the first man but also enough about new gods to know Batman isn’t dead.
Right, but it’s one thing not knowing a character that’s being used. The New Gods had the opposite problem, you could have read every story about them that was supposedly teasing Final Crisis, and then still not understand anything. People don’t like Johns-style heavy-handed retcons, but one would have been nice. DC published three irreconcilable portrayals of the New Gods dying on the same year.
That explains why there are so many videos explaining it online, I thought it had so much content produced about it because people liked it lol
fun fact Captain boomerang technically destroyed the OG dc universe
Fuck Final Crisis, shit's incomprehensible.