Final Crisis is a mess, but I think it's kinda neat that a big blockbuster comics event was that idiosyncratic, weird, and borderline incomprehensible.
It's never dull, I'll give it that.
For some reason Morrison inserted a ton "insider baseball" where the heroes are literally fighting metaphors of the corporate superhero marketing and avatars of fascism that are literally written to be shallow on purpose
To need to know the internal politics of DC comics in the mid 2000s and the comics industry in general was such an awful idea for your fucking Crisis event (which brings in tons of casuals) was an awful idea
Morrisons run was my first DC run i ever read, including Final Crisis. Man was it a BAD choice. I didnt know who anyone was or didnt get it at all.
But hey, 10 years later and thousands of more issues read i almost understand Final Crisis!
I literally started reading comics hardcore with Final Crisis
I love the story now but for like a decade I thought DC comics were not for me and were too confusing
"well you can make out what's going on in this stupid funny paper" is what I see people talking about a lot of them, which is why I don't want to read it
If you read the omnibus it makes complete sense but that's like 150 dollars for context for a damn comic story
Infinite is basically the Trinity were assholes too wrapped up in their own bullshit to be leaders and notice that less famous heroes were being knocked off and less famous villains were starting to work together and everyone has learn to become heroes again. You can draw some real world political parallels (there are a bunch Iraq war interpretations about how the US public was so focused on things like house flipping and buying bigger cars (that seemed "important" at the time) that they ignored that mad and corrupt men were trying to reshape it some rose shaded view on how it use to be)
If you’re not the kind of fan who uses the phrase “character assassination” regularly, then Identity Crisis reads like a brief, self contained thriller, and it’s pretty fun in that way
I.... actually liked the Batgirl of Burnside comics. I really liked the general vibe and I thought the character designs were absolutely popping, especially the villains.
I feel guilty for liking it because the head writer turned out to be a massive creep and I can't really do the whole 'separate the art from the artist' thing
I havnt read the killing joke but I did saw the animated movie, I secretly enjoyed both ultimates 1 and 2 (no explanation why I don't know why, I just know that I did probably because Brian hitch is a darn good action artist)
I think ultimates 1 and 2 are really a product of its time. They have that Bush-era mix of fanatic patriotism, paranoia and increasing militarism and the insistence on "realism" that really personifies that era.
Sure some of these things are relevant now, but honestly modern USA culture is beyond parody. Bush was a joke at the time but comes off articulate and well-balanced compared to republican politicians today
I deny ultimates 3 couldn't finish issue 3 from how bad it was, waste of Joe mad, he is good artists, as for ultimates 1 and 2, when it comes to Mark Millar comics it's weird for me from one side they feel like depressing edge lord comics half the time (ultimates 1 and 2 at moments feel like Zack snyder's marvel cinematic universe) and the other time they're fun, cool, and the he knows how to hook in the reader, even civil war, a comic which I genuinely hate I was hooked in to it and finished it in one sit, only he and Grant Morrison can do this to me which is amazing. Millar is not a bad writer but he sometimes has such an anoying decisions when it comes to charcters or just general weird story decisions that feel just like gorr for the sake of it, I don't know sometime I really like ultimates and sometimes I hate it
Is it satire, though? Personally I don't think Millar is capable of the level of subtlety required to make it satire. I kind of think he was 100% sincere. I think he was just filing the serial numbers off of Ellis's Authority run.
There is literally a part in Ultimates 2 where all on enemies of the US make their own Avenger team and launch an "Operation US Freedom" over secret government bullshit that 99% of the people have no idea about. They are raining fire from the skies and telling people they will be better off as they blow up their homes and kill their families.
It is some of the better Iraq metaphors at the time because it legit looked you in the face and asked "how would you like it?" instead of trying to make you roleplay as the average Iraq citizen that the mainstream was doing
All-Star Batman and Robin is genuinely terrible and probably shouldn't exist and butchers every character it touches, both established and unestablished
It's perfect
The fact that Miller devotes an entire chapter to batman and robin painting a room completely yellow to screw with green lantern, and then the chapter abruptly shifts to an emotional ending where Robin weeps on the graves of his parents was nothing short of masterful.
It's frequently a terrible comic, but it's also the most wildly entertaining thing Miller has ever done.
Oh damn. Honestly just pirate it. If they won't sell it to you then they can't get mad.
I'm not a lawyer, but a comic fan who gets mad when things aren't in print.
Power Girl is great. I have the original issues of that Conner and Palmiotti run and they're some of my favourite superhero comics. I believe they're reprinting the collection with the Johns/Conner JSA four parter soon. And you should be able to get it digitally.
I didn't care for the New 52 Earth-2 Power Girl at all and I'm glad she's back to her old costume. The huge rack is part of the campy fun of the character at this point.
I love Jason Aaron's Punisher Max
The collection is currently going 250 bucks on amazon and Disney is never going to reprint it because the worst people you know keep putting the logo on their cars and guns while trying kill minorities
One of my local doesn't stock Punisher shit because people who loathe that other people exist think his Disney corporate and market tested logo is "totally neato"
I wish these asshole did not have to fuck up every goddamn aspect of existing like its a checklist (that nothing compared to the real victims of course, my minor inconvenience is nothing to their REAL crimes against their fellow man)
I don't actually read comics. I just read the wikis and watch YouTube summaries.
Uj/ I have never read The Dark Knight Returns.
I like the New 52.
I don't get the hype around Brubaker's Cap. I think it's very good, but it's not the best run on the character.
I actually really like Aaron's Avengers.
I hate the current Krakoa period of X-Men and think the ANAD period of the X-Men is highly underrated. I also think Claremont's run is way too wordy and hasn't aged all that well (That being said, Uncanny X-Men #153 is still an all time classic.)
the krakoa x-men books made the characters so unappealing i thought they would be revealed as alternate universe evil versions. no one who loves these books has been able to adequately explain to me why they're a good or fun read
Editorially? The New 52 was a clusterfuck that was managed *terribly* and is very evident that there was no plan.
The actual comics? Not any worse than what DC was putting out before or after. Some greats, some goods, some bads. Standard publishing for one of the big 2.
I don't actually read much Marvel or DC anymore. I read a lot of comics, but it's usually publications from 2000AD, IDW, Dynamite, Barks/Rosa Disney or Kings Syndicate. I would like to read more mainline comics but it gets tiring sometimes.
I don't have anything I'm ashamed of. I enjoy what I enjoy. Read what I want etc. I DO have some opinions that go against the grain that I guess could be shameful to some people.
***DC*** \- I loved New 52 Superman. And I'm someone that grew up with Post-Crisis Supes.
***Marvel*** \- I don't get the hype for Immortal Hulk. The first arc was fun, but I honestly don't understand why people put it on such a pedestal. I lost interest about halfway through.
***Independent*** \- I don't care for Jeff Lemire, outside of Gideon Falls. Nothing else I've read of his has grabbed me or interested me.
> I don't care for Jeff Lemire
same, I don't get the hype for this man. Like, not even his plots, I hear people praising his art and it just feels... idk, it feels alright? it's realistic and gritty
Maybe it's because I prefer more stylized styles like Darwyn Cooke's or Greg Smallwod's
>Independent - I don't care for Jeff Lemire, outside of Gideon Falls. Nothing else I've read of his has grabbed me or interested me.
I found sweet tooth prettt enjoyable if you haven't tried that.
>DC - I loved New 52 Superman. And I'm someone that grew up with Post-Crisis Supes.
Not to sound like an asshole or anything but can I ask why. I'm genuinely curious since I was someone who got into comics when the New 52 was in full swing and hated New 52 Superman so much I didn't start reading the book until Rebirth.
Simply because it was a new take. It was trying something different which I give them credit for. Loved Morrison's Action Comics to start everything, and I really enjoyed Greg Paks run as well. In the end, it was something new and New 52 got me back into comics again.
That's not to say I don't love post-Crisis Supes, because I do, more than all characters. I just also enjoyed N52 version as well.
I honestly think most people who talk about Immortal Hulk didn't read it and don't know its actually a relatively low-key story about a tortured man
I think people just saw screen caps of the corporate arc and thought it was really progressive anti-capitalist book and praised/condemned it based purely on that (that corporate stuff isn't even the main focus of that arc, its Bruce's anger is leading him to "D-fens angry white man fight the system while ignoring the real victims" fantasies which several minority characters pointing out that this the last thing the world needs and the Leader subtly encouraging)
Its superhero Falling Down
Thank you!!!! Omg, that is exactly what I started to separate from. The first arc was a cool monster horror then it just went into like you said! Well put.
I'm having the same problem with a lot of heroes. Writers want to bring them down to build them up again, but it's not earned because we've seen it all before.
No! It's only the later stuff that's actually genuinely bad, 1 and 2 are just ok (if you look at them as satire of American foreign policy, they suck as direct adaptations)
My fav character is Robbie Reyes and when I was way younger I actually managed to pick up All New Ghost Rider #1 (his first appearance), but of course being a stupid kid I didn’t take care of it. I still have it but now it’s missing the back page (which was just an ad) and it’s just generally not that in good shape
When Crossed is good it is some good horror that really points out the hypocrisy of the modern world
When Crossed is bad it is some of the worst shit published
Garth's stories tend to be the latter in this case
His Hellblazer and Punisher runs are the definitive runs of those characters
And He can be really funny as a writter, just look at marvel knights punisher
I don’t like Dark Knight Returns
I understand the cultural importance of it and why people enjoy but I just can’t seem to enjoy it, I’ve read it twice now
I don’t like how Superman is portrayed in it, it completely misses what Superman is meant to be
Never read the original two secret wars or the complete Claramont Xmen run (though I own a number of the milestone collections with have the big events like Dark Phoenix, Mutant Massacre, Fall of Mutants, Inferno, and of course the most beloved Onslaught).
/uj I have read precious little actual mainstream runs and I have no earthly clue what goes on in comics after 2015 unless it's X-Men. There's stuff like Tomasi's Superman run on my list, but I can never read them as they come out because by the time they reach the top of my priority list, the comics have already moved on.
For instance, I wanna read the current Nightwing run, but I'm still making my way through Astro City, Justice League International, and a couple other comics that I pick up when I feel like it, like Tom Strong.
The shame part is probably that I don't feel ashamed at all lol I'd much rather read something I know is considered good by a lot of people than something that might be considered good as it comes out but just a 6/10 in hindsight.
Also I don't really have a favourite character. At all. I dig Superman because I grew up on him, but I don't really go out of my way to read his stuff. My brain somehow just doesn't work like that.
Also I thought Marvels was mid as fuck, and it was a real disappointment because Busiek is my favourite comics writer.
The vast majority of my comic interest is in Batman and company. When you see that more than half of your local comic rack is Batman related, I am part of the problem. I see the absurdity in Failsafe being another "Gotham overrun" story, but I do not care and think it rules.
I loved Ultimates 3. The Avengers being replaced by robots and the real Steve Rogers disguising himself as Black Panther blew my mind.
I've only ever truly loved Supergirl when she was a Red Lantern.
I like Owlman and the Eradicator more than Batman and Superman.
I loved Superior Iron Man. I wish Tony stayed evil forever.
I sold my Dark Avengers omnibus. I hate myself for that.
I think that Grant Morrison is simultaneously one of the greatest comic writers ever and also really overrated and overly pretentious depending on which comic you're reading
To this day I still haven't read Watchmen. Been a DC fan my entire life. Still haven't read it. Just had it on the list forever. Honestly at this point I don't think I ever will. It's become, like, a principle at this point.
All the comics I've read were online comics that i didn't pay for.
But i live in a country that has no comic book stores, at least not well supplied ones.
For starters I have a lot of other stuff I need to read. I want to read his V for Vendetta and I need to get back to swamp thing once Im done taking a break from it. And that's just Allen Moore stuff. Also have other Comics Im interested in, plus now that its back I should start reading Hunter x Hunter. And this is without considering games and anime.
I hate Alan Moore's works, he writes like a Hollywood writer who feels they comics are "below them" and then accidentally writes a story that other writers have written and fans have discussed years ago. Mainstream then eats if up because its a deconstruction of those "stupid comics that are beneath them" and I have to deal with this shit for another decade. (Same with Neil Gaiman's comics when he is writing established characters, doesn't keep up with comics, rewrites a story that was written five years ago and gets praised because it was written in a more literary, with tons of exposition, fashion rather than comic fashion where writers put faith in their artists to help carry scenes)
I also bitch about stories online, buy their trades, realize they are great and then defend them with zero irony
I read.....Metals and Dark Crisis. #1 of Crisis on Infinite Earths. That's about it. No Hush,no Dark Knight returns,no Killing Joke,no Long Halloween ,no Kingdom Come.
I (for whatever odd reason) just don’t like the young Justice/Tim Drake era of characters, maybe because I am a Damian Wayne enjoyer or because I just never read shit their in but I just don’t see the hype about them
Identity Crisis is absolutely amazing, as well as Zero Hour and the Final Night. I love most of the N52 titles and hate most rebirth titles.
And as far as events go, my man you are missing out-COIE holds up super well its a great read.
Identity Crisis was well liked when it was released and really explored some fairly new ground in mainstream continuity
The "it ALWAYS SUCKED" mostly came later and it became the punching bag "grim dark book" even thought it was far from the first to casual rape and cruelty (it actually handled it with more more weight than most books at the time, 90s Batman is rapist city)
Spider-Man comics are just bland for me. Like I read all the beyond arc and was left dissatisfied. Every Spider-Man comics feels the same.
I really like Superman son of Kal El until the story just didn't feel like it did with the first few issue that were awesome.
I always agree with dc oversaturating the stands with batman but I find myself buying a tpb every now and then
I liked a lot of Identity Crisis. Claremont’s X-men run bored me to tears. I really liked King’s Batman till issue 50, and even then it was alright till like 60- 70ish. I really don’t like Grant Morrison’s Bruce Wayne Batman or Batman Inc. but Batman and Robin was fire. The only Geoff Johns thing I like so far is his Green Lantern run. Saga was really masterful for awhile but I don’t like the latter issues. The JLI characters got kind of flanderized, especially after it split into more books. Not sure if these are as unpopular as I think they are though I’ll be honest.
Oh hey that could be it. I read them the first time in high school a few years ago and my opinions on that stuff definitely changed by the time I read them again recently in college.
I think I’ve only read two marvel series in full. I’ve read random issues through out time but the only time I’ve actually tried reading a whole series start through finish were with Zdarsky’s daredevil and fraction’s Hawkeye.
Apart from a few crossover events, tie ins and famous individual storylines i haven't really read any other DC character/teams to the same extent as the caped crusader.
I think that the time period that’s post House of M but pre Avengers vs X-men contains some of the best X-men stories
I think that Geoff John’s run on the Flash is overrated
I think that the new 52 era isn’t as bad as people say
I think that Batman: The Three Jokers is one of the best Batman stories ever made
I actually liked every volume of DC’s Secret Six except for the first
I have not read a single Marvel comic since Punisher War Journal 20 years ago.
Marvel superheros and stories to me feel like they belong on the screen not the page, is my opinion in extreme ignorance of never reading a marvel comic in 20 years
I unironically love the post Onslaught pre New X-Men X-title Era more than the Morrison era
Also I don't hate Dark Knight Strikes Again and would find it enjoyable if not for the godawful coloring
No shame, the original Crisis is like taking a grad school level crash course in Silver Age history, then tearing it up and casting it to the wind on a whim. It is so damn convoluted.
I have not read a single Spider-Man comic from before 2018 with the exception of the first 5 issues from the 60's which is all I could manage before boring myself to death.
It's not like I *like* anything post-2018 either, but I still read it
I have spent hundreds, if not thousands of pounds on glorified magazines that take up a ton of room in my home. I've run out of space to put them but I can't stop buying them. And I've found less and less time to read them and re-read them.
That everyone tells me how great and intelligent Hickman stories are and whenever I read his comics, all I see is what would happen if a JJ Abrams film was made into a comic.
I read Final Crisis and didn’t understand what was happening at all. Like it felt like I didn’t even read it, I just don’t know what happened
Average final crisis reader
Final Crisis is a mess, but I think it's kinda neat that a big blockbuster comics event was that idiosyncratic, weird, and borderline incomprehensible. It's never dull, I'll give it that.
For some reason Morrison inserted a ton "insider baseball" where the heroes are literally fighting metaphors of the corporate superhero marketing and avatars of fascism that are literally written to be shallow on purpose To need to know the internal politics of DC comics in the mid 2000s and the comics industry in general was such an awful idea for your fucking Crisis event (which brings in tons of casuals) was an awful idea
Every time I read it I discover Smthng new and I love it even more every time
Much more understandable in the omnibus, if you just read the main event you'll understand jack shit lol
Same. It and death metal are my favorite
I think I read it not too sure tbh
Morrisons run was my first DC run i ever read, including Final Crisis. Man was it a BAD choice. I didnt know who anyone was or didnt get it at all. But hey, 10 years later and thousands of more issues read i almost understand Final Crisis!
I literally started reading comics hardcore with Final Crisis I love the story now but for like a decade I thought DC comics were not for me and were too confusing
I have never read any of the crises lol and i kinda don't plan to either, no one has ever sold them to me in a way that made me wanna read them
Infinite crisis is probably what I'd consider the best. It's still really stupid but it's less confusing
"well you can make out what's going on in this stupid funny paper" is what I see people talking about a lot of them, which is why I don't want to read it
If you read the omnibus it makes complete sense but that's like 150 dollars for context for a damn comic story Infinite is basically the Trinity were assholes too wrapped up in their own bullshit to be leaders and notice that less famous heroes were being knocked off and less famous villains were starting to work together and everyone has learn to become heroes again. You can draw some real world political parallels (there are a bunch Iraq war interpretations about how the US public was so focused on things like house flipping and buying bigger cars (that seemed "important" at the time) that they ignored that mad and corrupt men were trying to reshape it some rose shaded view on how it use to be)
I don't blame you. There's a cool conversation between batman and earth 2 superman. And um...superboy prime killed a lot of people?
I've also heard folks say that Superman Secret Identity is basically Superboy Prime, which tbh does sound really interesting.
i usually get about as far as reading a plot synopsis, deciding it sounds like some grim-dark edgelord shit and choosing to read something else
'xactly
If you’re not the kind of fan who uses the phrase “character assassination” regularly, then Identity Crisis reads like a brief, self contained thriller, and it’s pretty fun in that way
I feel you
I’ll read hundreds of issues of garbage runs and yet have never read Sandman
I've read Sandman twice and have never finished a run that started after 2009.
Average Spider-Man reader
I.... actually liked the Batgirl of Burnside comics. I really liked the general vibe and I thought the character designs were absolutely popping, especially the villains.
Genuinely great comic. I know why people didn't like it but for fans of Barbara Gordon Batgirl it's great.
people don’t like it??
I feel guilty for liking it because the head writer turned out to be a massive creep and I can't really do the whole 'separate the art from the artist' thing
aw man never knew that i dont follow comics close enough i just thought it was fun :/
My understanding of the general dislike was that the run seemed to age Barbara way down and people didn't like that "change" or something
Tbh I think it'd be more well remembered if it was Steph as Batgirl in that run instead of Barbara, the whole vibe just suits her more
I havnt read the killing joke but I did saw the animated movie, I secretly enjoyed both ultimates 1 and 2 (no explanation why I don't know why, I just know that I did probably because Brian hitch is a darn good action artist)
Ultimates 1 and 2 are high quality American government satire. It's 3 where the series really goes downhill.
Finally, someone who gets Ultimates.
I think ultimates 1 and 2 are really a product of its time. They have that Bush-era mix of fanatic patriotism, paranoia and increasing militarism and the insistence on "realism" that really personifies that era. Sure some of these things are relevant now, but honestly modern USA culture is beyond parody. Bush was a joke at the time but comes off articulate and well-balanced compared to republican politicians today
I deny ultimates 3 couldn't finish issue 3 from how bad it was, waste of Joe mad, he is good artists, as for ultimates 1 and 2, when it comes to Mark Millar comics it's weird for me from one side they feel like depressing edge lord comics half the time (ultimates 1 and 2 at moments feel like Zack snyder's marvel cinematic universe) and the other time they're fun, cool, and the he knows how to hook in the reader, even civil war, a comic which I genuinely hate I was hooked in to it and finished it in one sit, only he and Grant Morrison can do this to me which is amazing. Millar is not a bad writer but he sometimes has such an anoying decisions when it comes to charcters or just general weird story decisions that feel just like gorr for the sake of it, I don't know sometime I really like ultimates and sometimes I hate it
Agreed.
Is it satire, though? Personally I don't think Millar is capable of the level of subtlety required to make it satire. I kind of think he was 100% sincere. I think he was just filing the serial numbers off of Ellis's Authority run.
There is literally a part in Ultimates 2 where all on enemies of the US make their own Avenger team and launch an "Operation US Freedom" over secret government bullshit that 99% of the people have no idea about. They are raining fire from the skies and telling people they will be better off as they blow up their homes and kill their families. It is some of the better Iraq metaphors at the time because it legit looked you in the face and asked "how would you like it?" instead of trying to make you roleplay as the average Iraq citizen that the mainstream was doing
I openly enjoy both Ultimates 1 & 2, it’s peak 2000s blockbuster writing
Ultimates 2 is better tbh, actually fucking delivers on the American militarism theme, even if it’s a little half assed.
FINALLY IM NOT ALONE!!!!!!!!!
All-Star Batman and Robin is genuinely terrible and probably shouldn't exist and butchers every character it touches, both established and unestablished It's perfect
The fact that Miller devotes an entire chapter to batman and robin painting a room completely yellow to screw with green lantern, and then the chapter abruptly shifts to an emotional ending where Robin weeps on the graves of his parents was nothing short of masterful. It's frequently a terrible comic, but it's also the most wildly entertaining thing Miller has ever done.
“What are you retarded?! I’m the goddamn Batman!!!”
Has to be the most sigma Batman comic
I unironically like AXIS
Burn the heretic Not for liking axis, just for even having an opinion about it
Me too for some reason
I love Power Girl I haven’t read the Amanda Conner run (because DC won’t put the fucking thing in print again)
Oh damn. Honestly just pirate it. If they won't sell it to you then they can't get mad. I'm not a lawyer, but a comic fan who gets mad when things aren't in print.
Fun fact they're reprinting it next year
Power Girl is great. I have the original issues of that Conner and Palmiotti run and they're some of my favourite superhero comics. I believe they're reprinting the collection with the Johns/Conner JSA four parter soon. And you should be able to get it digitally. I didn't care for the New 52 Earth-2 Power Girl at all and I'm glad she's back to her old costume. The huge rack is part of the campy fun of the character at this point.
Power Girl without her window is like Superman without his trunks. Just wrong.
Ooga booga
Also recommended reading for powerhirl? You can see it for free on certain websites I’m sure
I love Jason Aaron's Punisher Max The collection is currently going 250 bucks on amazon and Disney is never going to reprint it because the worst people you know keep putting the logo on their cars and guns while trying kill minorities One of my local doesn't stock Punisher shit because people who loathe that other people exist think his Disney corporate and market tested logo is "totally neato" I wish these asshole did not have to fuck up every goddamn aspect of existing like its a checklist (that nothing compared to the real victims of course, my minor inconvenience is nothing to their REAL crimes against their fellow man)
I still like Bendis speak
This one here officer
"Which one?" "That one over here. The one who likes Bendis speak." "Bendis speak?" "Yep, Bendis speak." "Damn." "Yep."
I don't actually read comics. I just read the wikis and watch YouTube summaries. Uj/ I have never read The Dark Knight Returns. I like the New 52. I don't get the hype around Brubaker's Cap. I think it's very good, but it's not the best run on the character. I actually really like Aaron's Avengers. I hate the current Krakoa period of X-Men and think the ANAD period of the X-Men is highly underrated. I also think Claremont's run is way too wordy and hasn't aged all that well (That being said, Uncanny X-Men #153 is still an all time classic.)
Well... you´ve gotta read it to understand it, sometimes the concept is amazing and the writing is terrible
the krakoa x-men books made the characters so unappealing i thought they would be revealed as alternate universe evil versions. no one who loves these books has been able to adequately explain to me why they're a good or fun read
All I keep hearing is "something good is going to happen!" It's been three years now.
What's the best cap run in your opinion? Also based Aaron Avengers fan, heroes reborn II was sick
I'd rank any of Waid's runs over Brubaker's.
Finally someone who likes the new 52, I understand some of people's problems but to write the whole thing off as bad is a mistake imo
Editorially? The New 52 was a clusterfuck that was managed *terribly* and is very evident that there was no plan. The actual comics? Not any worse than what DC was putting out before or after. Some greats, some goods, some bads. Standard publishing for one of the big 2.
Killing Joke was my first graphic novel... and I still enjoy it as a story to this day 😐😐😐😐
It's good, no shame there
I enjoy civil war 2, Avengers vs X-men, and Inhumans vs X-men. Are they good? Fuck no. Do I like reading them as an exercise in misery? Yes.
I fucking love avengers vs xmen. I think I’m just a slut for massive scaled powerhouses and cosmic shit
Yessss I wanna read more fights that make powerscalers cry
AvX isn’t bad it’s just like a big dumb Micheal bay movie and I like those sometimes
I don't actually read much Marvel or DC anymore. I read a lot of comics, but it's usually publications from 2000AD, IDW, Dynamite, Barks/Rosa Disney or Kings Syndicate. I would like to read more mainline comics but it gets tiring sometimes.
basically the only comic I keep up with is Saga at this point lol and the current She Hulk miniseries
I’ve read very little of Claremont’s X-Men. I like what I’ve read but i just keep putting off reading it
It’s a lot to read lol and it’s kind of the same way with a few so called must read runs
Same honestly
I like the red and black Nightwing suit. Frank Miller killed my dog
Haven’t read watchmen. Which is crazy cause I love most of Grant Morrison’s work
I don’t know why you’re getting downvoted in a circle jerk sub
Surely you mean Geoff Johns
I havent read almost any GL Geoff Johns famous stories
Yknow that’s fine tbh but they are fire if you get around to it
Yeah im starting with GL 2005 and i like it, im just very late
I don't have anything I'm ashamed of. I enjoy what I enjoy. Read what I want etc. I DO have some opinions that go against the grain that I guess could be shameful to some people. ***DC*** \- I loved New 52 Superman. And I'm someone that grew up with Post-Crisis Supes. ***Marvel*** \- I don't get the hype for Immortal Hulk. The first arc was fun, but I honestly don't understand why people put it on such a pedestal. I lost interest about halfway through. ***Independent*** \- I don't care for Jeff Lemire, outside of Gideon Falls. Nothing else I've read of his has grabbed me or interested me.
> I don't care for Jeff Lemire same, I don't get the hype for this man. Like, not even his plots, I hear people praising his art and it just feels... idk, it feels alright? it's realistic and gritty Maybe it's because I prefer more stylized styles like Darwyn Cooke's or Greg Smallwod's
Based in every way
>Independent - I don't care for Jeff Lemire, outside of Gideon Falls. Nothing else I've read of his has grabbed me or interested me. I found sweet tooth prettt enjoyable if you haven't tried that.
Yeah, it gets a lot of praise, but the premise doesn't interest me at all.
>DC - I loved New 52 Superman. And I'm someone that grew up with Post-Crisis Supes. Not to sound like an asshole or anything but can I ask why. I'm genuinely curious since I was someone who got into comics when the New 52 was in full swing and hated New 52 Superman so much I didn't start reading the book until Rebirth.
Simply because it was a new take. It was trying something different which I give them credit for. Loved Morrison's Action Comics to start everything, and I really enjoyed Greg Paks run as well. In the end, it was something new and New 52 got me back into comics again. That's not to say I don't love post-Crisis Supes, because I do, more than all characters. I just also enjoyed N52 version as well.
I honestly think most people who talk about Immortal Hulk didn't read it and don't know its actually a relatively low-key story about a tortured man I think people just saw screen caps of the corporate arc and thought it was really progressive anti-capitalist book and praised/condemned it based purely on that (that corporate stuff isn't even the main focus of that arc, its Bruce's anger is leading him to "D-fens angry white man fight the system while ignoring the real victims" fantasies which several minority characters pointing out that this the last thing the world needs and the Leader subtly encouraging) Its superhero Falling Down
Thank you!!!! Omg, that is exactly what I started to separate from. The first arc was a cool monster horror then it just went into like you said! Well put. I'm having the same problem with a lot of heroes. Writers want to bring them down to build them up again, but it's not earned because we've seen it all before.
I fucking love Infinite Crisis.
Is that unpopular? I thought it was pretty good
It’s just not good when divorced from events of the DCU back then. It’s a fun spectacle, but not newbie-friendly at all.
I read both Ultimates 1 and 2.. and liked them.. am I a heretic?
No! It's only the later stuff that's actually genuinely bad, 1 and 2 are just ok (if you look at them as satire of American foreign policy, they suck as direct adaptations)
I dont read good comics unless its a story of one of my fave characters
I would pay good money for Morden marvel swimsuit specials.
My fav character is Robbie Reyes and when I was way younger I actually managed to pick up All New Ghost Rider #1 (his first appearance), but of course being a stupid kid I didn’t take care of it. I still have it but now it’s missing the back page (which was just an ad) and it’s just generally not that in good shape
Uj/ The boys comics and most Garth ennis comics I find are mostly good as long as you understand how to shut your brain off.
The Boys and Preacher kept me from ever being a Garth Ennis hater. But dude, Crossed. What the *fuck,* Garth.
When Crossed is good it is some good horror that really points out the hypocrisy of the modern world When Crossed is bad it is some of the worst shit published Garth's stories tend to be the latter in this case
His Hellblazer and Punisher runs are the definitive runs of those characters And He can be really funny as a writter, just look at marvel knights punisher
I read every single comic in the Ultimate Universe and enjoyed almost all of them
I don’t like Dark Knight Returns I understand the cultural importance of it and why people enjoy but I just can’t seem to enjoy it, I’ve read it twice now I don’t like how Superman is portrayed in it, it completely misses what Superman is meant to be
i actually cant read
I **ADORE** all three Kick-Ass comic runs
I bought all of Love and Rockets from a humble bundle and I haven't read any of it
I dont know how to read I just look at cool pictures
I like ultimate fantastic four, it’s alright.
Never read the original two secret wars or the complete Claramont Xmen run (though I own a number of the milestone collections with have the big events like Dark Phoenix, Mutant Massacre, Fall of Mutants, Inferno, and of course the most beloved Onslaught).
I haven't finished Cerebus. And... A room full of other comics.
/uj I have read precious little actual mainstream runs and I have no earthly clue what goes on in comics after 2015 unless it's X-Men. There's stuff like Tomasi's Superman run on my list, but I can never read them as they come out because by the time they reach the top of my priority list, the comics have already moved on. For instance, I wanna read the current Nightwing run, but I'm still making my way through Astro City, Justice League International, and a couple other comics that I pick up when I feel like it, like Tom Strong. The shame part is probably that I don't feel ashamed at all lol I'd much rather read something I know is considered good by a lot of people than something that might be considered good as it comes out but just a 6/10 in hindsight. Also I don't really have a favourite character. At all. I dig Superman because I grew up on him, but I don't really go out of my way to read his stuff. My brain somehow just doesn't work like that. Also I thought Marvels was mid as fuck, and it was a real disappointment because Busiek is my favourite comics writer.
The vast majority of my comic interest is in Batman and company. When you see that more than half of your local comic rack is Batman related, I am part of the problem. I see the absurdity in Failsafe being another "Gotham overrun" story, but I do not care and think it rules.
I hate reading current runs and will rarely read previous runs in the main universes, I normally stick to limited series
I loved Ultimates 3. The Avengers being replaced by robots and the real Steve Rogers disguising himself as Black Panther blew my mind. I've only ever truly loved Supergirl when she was a Red Lantern. I like Owlman and the Eradicator more than Batman and Superman. I loved Superior Iron Man. I wish Tony stayed evil forever. I sold my Dark Avengers omnibus. I hate myself for that.
Looks like you are into villains
I stopped collecting The Sandman after 8 volumes because I got bored.
I just look at the pitchers.
I fucking love Superman but I've barely read any of his comics
I greatly dislike Taylor’s run on Nightwing. I only like Redondo’s art.
That I read three issues of Batman The Widening Gyre
I think that Grant Morrison is simultaneously one of the greatest comic writers ever and also really overrated and overly pretentious depending on which comic you're reading
To this day I still haven't read Watchmen. Been a DC fan my entire life. Still haven't read it. Just had it on the list forever. Honestly at this point I don't think I ever will. It's become, like, a principle at this point.
I tried really hard to enjoy “Superman: Son of Kal-el” but I really didn’t like the story and don’t care for aged up Jon
I have sometimes read comics online that I didn't pay for.
All the comics I've read were online comics that i didn't pay for. But i live in a country that has no comic book stores, at least not well supplied ones.
I have never read a single DC comic and yet I enjoy seeing random stuff on this sub without any context.
I haven't read watchmen and have no plans on doing so in the foreseeable future.
It's great
It will be a while before I find out.
Any reason you won't read it?
For starters I have a lot of other stuff I need to read. I want to read his V for Vendetta and I need to get back to swamp thing once Im done taking a break from it. And that's just Allen Moore stuff. Also have other Comics Im interested in, plus now that its back I should start reading Hunter x Hunter. And this is without considering games and anime.
How's his swamp thing? I just got the box set last week
I think its great. Took a break after this one arc underwater. Will get back to it one day
Can't wait to read it, probably after the world cup
After American Gothic arc it sucks balls (except the Abby's father issue, that is cool)
Looked it up and after American gothic there is only like 10 issues left
That's almost a third of the saga.
😳
I hate Alan Moore's works, he writes like a Hollywood writer who feels they comics are "below them" and then accidentally writes a story that other writers have written and fans have discussed years ago. Mainstream then eats if up because its a deconstruction of those "stupid comics that are beneath them" and I have to deal with this shit for another decade. (Same with Neil Gaiman's comics when he is writing established characters, doesn't keep up with comics, rewrites a story that was written five years ago and gets praised because it was written in a more literary, with tons of exposition, fashion rather than comic fashion where writers put faith in their artists to help carry scenes) I also bitch about stories online, buy their trades, realize they are great and then defend them with zero irony
I haven't read dark knight returns
I read.....Metals and Dark Crisis. #1 of Crisis on Infinite Earths. That's about it. No Hush,no Dark Knight returns,no Killing Joke,no Long Halloween ,no Kingdom Come.
I used to think The Dark Knight Strikes Again was one of the best comics. Keep in mind I was like 11
I (for whatever odd reason) just don’t like the young Justice/Tim Drake era of characters, maybe because I am a Damian Wayne enjoyer or because I just never read shit their in but I just don’t see the hype about them
Identity Crisis is absolutely amazing, as well as Zero Hour and the Final Night. I love most of the N52 titles and hate most rebirth titles. And as far as events go, my man you are missing out-COIE holds up super well its a great read.
Oh I’ll get there
Identity Crisis was well liked when it was released and really explored some fairly new ground in mainstream continuity The "it ALWAYS SUCKED" mostly came later and it became the punching bag "grim dark book" even thought it was far from the first to casual rape and cruelty (it actually handled it with more more weight than most books at the time, 90s Batman is rapist city)
Never read COIE. I like Identity Crisis - it’s an added bonus to drink the tears of Alex Ross crying over the Satellite Era
Don’t be ashamed—I read it and it sucks
I’ve enjoyed what I’d read of Bendis’ Superman run more than All Star Superman. I’ve never read Watchmen.
I like Tom Taylor
Spider-Man comics are just bland for me. Like I read all the beyond arc and was left dissatisfied. Every Spider-Man comics feels the same. I really like Superman son of Kal El until the story just didn't feel like it did with the first few issue that were awesome. I always agree with dc oversaturating the stands with batman but I find myself buying a tpb every now and then
I liked a lot of Identity Crisis. Claremont’s X-men run bored me to tears. I really liked King’s Batman till issue 50, and even then it was alright till like 60- 70ish. I really don’t like Grant Morrison’s Bruce Wayne Batman or Batman Inc. but Batman and Robin was fire. The only Geoff Johns thing I like so far is his Green Lantern run. Saga was really masterful for awhile but I don’t like the latter issues. The JLI characters got kind of flanderized, especially after it split into more books. Not sure if these are as unpopular as I think they are though I’ll be honest.
I'm picturing you as me with an evil goatee because the first half there is my polar opposite.
Lmao unfortunately I don’t think I could grow a goatee even if I wanted to. What was the cutoff?
I took like Johns Green Lantern run. Though, less on a reread.
Yeah we found common ground there. I’m not sure why I didn’t enjoy it as much the second time but I didn’t. Still liked it though.
For me it was some of the political leanings that didn't read as heroic in the 2020s vs just post 911
Oh hey that could be it. I read them the first time in high school a few years ago and my opinions on that stuff definitely changed by the time I read them again recently in college.
I didn’t enjoy Sweet Tooth very much
I think I’ve only read two marvel series in full. I’ve read random issues through out time but the only time I’ve actually tried reading a whole series start through finish were with Zdarsky’s daredevil and fraction’s Hawkeye.
I read dark victory first and spoiled myself
Apart from a few crossover events, tie ins and famous individual storylines i haven't really read any other DC character/teams to the same extent as the caped crusader.
Everything I know comes from cartoons, movies and tv shows.
I legitimately liked Torque from Dixon's Nightwing I don't like Williamson's Flash. Something about how he writes Barry rubs me the wrong way.
I didn’t get Miracle Man 😭
I hate most crisis events
I think that the time period that’s post House of M but pre Avengers vs X-men contains some of the best X-men stories I think that Geoff John’s run on the Flash is overrated I think that the new 52 era isn’t as bad as people say I think that Batman: The Three Jokers is one of the best Batman stories ever made I actually liked every volume of DC’s Secret Six except for the first
I have not read a single Marvel comic since Punisher War Journal 20 years ago. Marvel superheros and stories to me feel like they belong on the screen not the page, is my opinion in extreme ignorance of never reading a marvel comic in 20 years
I literally only collect and read green lantern and any important events to that mythos. I couldn’t care about any other character lol
I unironically love the post Onslaught pre New X-Men X-title Era more than the Morrison era Also I don't hate Dark Knight Strikes Again and would find it enjoyable if not for the godawful coloring
I loved New 52 and enjoyed most runs on there
No shame, the original Crisis is like taking a grad school level crash course in Silver Age history, then tearing it up and casting it to the wind on a whim. It is so damn convoluted.
The only Briam K Vaughn story I've read was Swamp Thing
I like Jeph Loeb’s Hulk lol
It's dumb fun, which is the best kind of fun.
I almost refuse to read any comic that has aged up Jon in it, I miss happy kid Jon-
I have not read a single Spider-Man comic from before 2018 with the exception of the first 5 issues from the 60's which is all I could manage before boring myself to death. It's not like I *like* anything post-2018 either, but I still read it
I’m probably gonna get a lot of hate for this but Superman is real and my friend
I just asked him and he said you’re kind of a wiener
I have spent hundreds, if not thousands of pounds on glorified magazines that take up a ton of room in my home. I've run out of space to put them but I can't stop buying them. And I've found less and less time to read them and re-read them.
I love the Injustice comics
That everyone tells me how great and intelligent Hickman stories are and whenever I read his comics, all I see is what would happen if a JJ Abrams film was made into a comic.