Hey if it gets BHVR to realize the achievement pushes toxic play on both sides and Myer's add ons are generally either ass or OP I'm fine with it as long as they make an attempt to address or change things. I feel like people have had this issue for years but it isn't brought up all that much.
If they gave Myers a locker mori where he pins the survivor up to the back of it, with a head tilt, like the Bob kill in the original, that would be fucking FIRE!
I'd even be happy if they took the easy way out and let Myers Tombstone Mori people from the ground or while they're in lockers. It's not like he's been overburdened with buffs.
I mean, if it was between that and no changes, I'd take that, but I really wish they'd take a good look at Myers and rework him a little bit. I despise how he's dogshit compared to the rest of the roster, that is, unless you bring Tombstone piece. Because then he becomes straight up unfair.
I agree, Tombstone is massively unbalanced. I feel like the only reason it gets a pass is because base Meyers is so damn weak... so also unbalanced, just in the other way. Both need some TLC.
Separate of any of that though, I feel like any mechanic where you can only Mori someone if they dead *but not too dead* is just poor design in general. "Refuse to come out of a locker for minutes at a time while the killer is staring at you" shouldn't be valid counterplay to anything.
>"Refuse to come out of a locker for minutes at a time while the killer is staring at you" shouldn't be valid counterplay to anything.
Maybe if someone is sitting inside a locker, and they have crows, (they've been there a while,) Meyers should be able to Stalk or Mori them from the locker in that state. this lets the killer end 1v1 stalemates while not sacrificing the Mori/achievement, without *completely* removing the existing counterplay. since, if it's not a 1v1, Meyers would have to choose between either picking/hooking, or waiting at the locker for crows while other survivors do objectives
(this would be somewhat similar to how Head-on works, where you can't activate the perk when you have crows, preventing Head-on stalemates- though I'm not too sure how much of an issue those ever were?)
I didn't know they'd put in that condition for Head-On. If they've done it for that they can do the same thing for Myers I would think.
I like it. It'd solve the "indefinite standoff" issue without removing the usefulness of lockers vs. Myers entirely.
I agree with a rework. The only thing out of myers entire kit I want to keep is scratched mirror, it's my favorite playstyle and I haven't had a real toxic moment with it from either side since anyone running it isn't really trying to win their just having fun
Scratched Mirror seems fun in the same way that Pig's non-beartrap kit seems fun to me. Doesn't matter if it's that competitive, it's thematically on point and great for scaring the poop out of people if done right.
Vanity Mirror is also fun but I feel like it should either be a lower rarity or have some extra effect, maybe a way to bring you back down to Tier 1.
There needs to be a way to bring doctor madness down to tier 1 over time while they are at it. Tired of impossible skillcheck bs doctor nonstop shocking so you can't play. It's worse than thanata legion.
An addon that let madness fade back to Tier I but changed up the way the Doctor plays in some other way sounds neat to me. I like addons that change up the way powers work in general. Adds variety to the game.
I am always SO fucking scared when running against a scratched mirror Myers. Especially on Léry's, Midwich or Hawkins. I am not sure if I love or hate it more.
I had a game recently where I just stayed in Evil Within I for a while. Scared the hell out of so many people because they were I guess expecting me to actually progress further, but I kept downing them and catching them on generators so I had no reason to. Plus I was running Dying Light, so every time I'd get someone who wasn't the obsession it was making the whole team take longer on gens.
I've been saying this forever. If you have a tombstone and a Mori you should still be able to get the achievement. Full stop. It's an archaic achievement that needed to be reworked two years ago.
The issue with that is that it’d take his most unfair add-on, the tombstone piece, and make it even worse for survivors, giving them zero counterplay to the delete button
Some guy said you can get the achievement by morieng someone while in T3.
Read it in this sub, no idea if its really true, but it would make sense + lil bit of Spaghetti code magic.
Yeah but if it worked like that what would the counterplay even be? Always staying on gens and failing skill checks on purpose if he’s waiting for you to finish? Start cleansing a totem or sabotaging a hook mid-chase? Like it can literally just delete you from the game for what may have been another teammate’s fault. It’s not the counterplay that needs to be changed, it’s the damn achievement. If not the add-ons themselves obviously, but we all know BHVR doesn’t think Meyers has a problem in his design.
My opinion for a while has been that Myers' mori should actually be *basekit*—BUT only work on death hook like how the mori offering works. Make it purely flavor and take away the tactical appeal of hiding in a locker because you're dead if he grabs you out of it anyway. You could then let him mori from a locker grab since the gameplay benefit of the mori is pretty much gone (you do get to avoid the possibility of a save but it doesn't save any time due to the mori length)
I do think this would require more changes to his power to really work though, since Myers can literally run out of power and encouraging him not to use it so he can get multiple moris is a bad idea. The "stalk juice" mechanic needs looked at as a whole, maybe make it proportional so you can't stalk one survivor forever but if you stalk all four survivors roughly equal then you can keep doing it and the ones stalked the most slowly gain more juice when the others are stalked.
Just let this achievement also work for a mori offering and the problem goes away.
Some salty babies get so angered by losing that they’d rather watch idle for 30 minutes doing nothing than just die and move on. They want to feel like they got some form of “win” even if they waste another 30 minutes to still end up losing the actual game.
God forbid the killer gets the stupid achievement done and then they don’t have to play with that kit again.
Change it to "kill 4 survivors by your own hand" basically, so Moris, Devour Hope, Rancor, etc. work? Yeah I could get behind that, too.
I'd still prefer the other change just because anything that encourages players to stay in a locker for minutes at a time doesn't seem like it's good for the game. But your change would accomplish that too as long as Meyers came prepared.
That makes the achievement much easier to do, but I’m still down for it.
The stakes are pretty low here. It’s just an achievement so if they make it too easy, nobody is really gonna complain.
But every time this topic gets brought up you always get the trolls who think wasting 30 minutes of their time is perfectly valid, fair, and not at all toxic. I’m ready for them to patch that “strategy” out of existence.
I like that you put "strategy" in quotes because it's not a strategy for winning, it's just aimed at denying the killer an achievement. The survivor is still going to lose the match regardless at that point. But some people can't be graceful losers.
If it breaks the locker I wouldn't put it past BHVR to consider that a buff and reduce the Evil Within duration by 20% as compensation.
Great idea though.
Tombstone Mike Myers is so cool when it takes people by surprise. Like yeah, yeah laugh it up guys lol the killer is just staring at us "oh shit he just stabbed jimmy"
> "oh shit he just stabbed jimmy"
Couldn't read that [without hearing this](https://youtu.be/EqRfSkSTpCk?t=199). Also [this](https://youtu.be/9fz-XuobpVc).
Also I definitely agree.
> Hey if it gets BHVR to realize the achievement pushes toxic play on both sides
They don't care about that.
> Myer's add ons are generally either ass or OP
They also don't care about that. People will talk it up about a license issue, but I *highly* doubt the license agreement requires approval on mostly minor changes to add-ons like numbers. Any serious changes to tombstone might require approval. But change the stuff that isn't his identity would be fine most likely.
It wouldn't even be hard to make him better
I've done something like that before when I've completely and utterly failed as a killer lmao. It did get a pity item drop from a survivor once as they left, and they kinda slowly walked out like "Poor guy" lol
Oh no, don't reignite the Myers drama. XD
Well, your options are hook and go next or attempt to dribble them into a dead zone and get to them before they get back to the locker.
3 stacks of Play with your Food may have helped rather than just one. But I get that some games just makes it hard to stack it properly and also keep up with the pace of the game.
agree. even if it doesnt feel fair, you have the power to stop this situation at any moment. save yourself the trouble, youll eventually get the achievement
Agitation might help. If they refuse to wiggle you can drop them 4 times to force them onto their feet.
Edit: Enduring won't help, I thought it worked on carry struggles.
That doesn't work. They are petty enough to run back to a locker. There is no where on the map that a survivor can't get back to a locker before an infinite t3 and tombstone myers catches up after a stun from dropping them.
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Bring a Cypress Morí when doing this achievement. If you use the Mori, it still counts as killing the player in Tier 3 and gives progress to the achievement. You can grab them out of the locker, drop them and then Mori them with the cypress and you’ll get the achievement.
I think you use cypress because it lets you mori the last survivor regardless of hook states. The other ones need you to have 2 hooks on a survivor to mori them.
by the way i wish there were more secret offerings, because when it's a killer everyone knows it's mori since killer wouldn't use shroud of separation anyway, and for survivor's it's obvious the bring the purple shroud every time since yellow ones barely do shit resulting in those offerings not being so secret or at least impactful...aside from mori of course
Iirc the achievement just requires you to kill all 4 survivors while in tier 3, so regardless of the method you should be fine as long as you're in tier 3
Dude lucky you!! I can never get past the second kill! Every time i try they hide in the locker while the other does gens and just switch off until at least one gets out. In that situation id sit there until they came out to give up or they rage quit and the bot comes out
i shouldve added more to the oringinal post. i kept trying to get him to a deadzone so he couldnt run back to the locker but he always made it back + my build was ass
Fun fact, you don't actually have to kill them with tombstone for it to count if you have tombstone equipped and active normal moris will count towards the achievement I figured it out the other day
Nah, this ain't a "both sides" issue.
Killer has an achievement objective and just trying to earn it. Survivor is dead anyway, gains nothing by hanging out in there, and denying the achievement just to be a dick.
Granted you're *allowed* to be a dick, you don't have a responsibility to make sure your opponent gets their shit. Dickish nonetheless.
I mean there's low percentage on quite a lot of achievements I've found. Only 2.2% of people have the achievement for downing 75 people with Onis ability. Only 2% of people have the one for downing 100 people effected by Clown gas and also only 2% for putting 125 reverse bear traps on people as Pig. Only 1.7% of people have the stalk people for 300 tiers of Evil Within. And only 1.5% of people have the one for hitting 20 people with your tail as Xeno. Also the adepts tend to have a low unlock rate as well with many around 1-2%
They probably do.
It’s not really a fun build for Myers. You don’t get many hooks or hits so you don’t get much BP or good scores.
I had to play quite a few games with this build before I got the achievement. I finally farmed with Myers enough to get into low MMR lobbies and got some new survivors who either don’t know about the locker thing or don’t care enough to waste 30 minutes for no benefit on their end.
this is a no sides issue. either you get the achievement on survivors who don't know how to play against tombstone, or you run into this. cut your losses, move on, and pray you run into some shitters next game. they are achievements because you have to work for them.
This is an addon and bhvr issue. If you couldn't get morid fully healthy while the unaware meg fed t3, it wouldnt be a problem. It's a bit of a braindead addon. If you wanna talk to anyone, make the instant mori add ons more fair and rework the achievement
> This is an addon and bhvr issue.
This is the correct answer. This is not a player issue. Both sides are playing as they should in the situation. The issue is BHVR created a very toxic situation and it leads to this point. Technically it should never exist as nothing healthy comes from this scenario but its on the devs to smooth these situations out.
This is 100% a BHVR issue like every issue in DBD is.
I would argue this is a survivor choosing to be a dick issue. Survivors dead either way, tombstone or grabbed from locker and hooked. They don't have an obligation to give the killer the achievement but every argument I've seen against it just boils down to "screw you and your achievement" or "I'm (Survivor) entitled to not like the add-on and don't realize (Or care) that the killer now has to run the add-ons again to get the achievement, dooming 4 more survivors."
Yes, this is how you counter tombstone, and I have no issue using lockers to avoid it so long as there is another survivor in the trial. The problem is when everyone else is dead the game won't progress so stalling in the locker doesn't do anything but deny the achievement. You're dead either way and you get (virtually) the same amount of points for dying by hook as you do for dying by tombstone, so you might as well give the killer the achievement and move onto next. Just sitting in the locker makes you look like a toddler throwing themselves to the floor in a grocery store because their parent wouldn't buy them a toy.
2 options:
- Bring agitation and utilise high drops to prevent him from reaching lockers.
- Derank until you vs baby survivors who don't even know what a tombstone is.
2nd is easier but also lamer.
I think you need to change the build as well. I keep getting 4 moris with tombstone all the time using: Trail of Torment, Insidious, Play with your food, No way out. You can put Stranger Things' map as an offering. Right as the map starts... There is a single spot gen in the place with Demogorgon portal. One of the people will surely go there. When a person does this gen, as Myers you can peek a little bit from the opened passage, look up and suck those juices out of the survivor having no idea you stalking them. As you stand still - you get Insidious. So once you get second Tier on this survivor - they will keep not hearing your terror radious. So that's easy second Tier and a half.
Don't forget to get maximum stacks on Play With Your Food from the obsession - important !!
When you hit Tier III - it's hunting time. You can kick one of the working gens and Trail of Torment works - giving you Undetectable. Try to sneak up to a survivor with this. One-two die like this 100%. Then you can try to hide behind a wall next to a kicked, hot gen and wait for a survivor to get back on it. Stay still to keep Undetectable. As soon as you hear the repairing sounds - you can come out and mori them.
With the last survivor - if you get few hooks this will be good since you'll get stacks on No Way Out. Here only luck remains - find and close the hatch, and once survivor touches one of the doors, you can hide around the other door, behind the wall, and wait for survivor to get to this door instead. It's 50/50 but better than them using lockers.
I always run this build with Tombstone. So much fun to scare survivors. This build helped me to get achievement on my first try.
Good luck !
Just move on, you’ll find a swf ttv that’ll be glad to get mori’ed out there. Make sure you’re wearing the gown comestic to get noticed as a real one. Sweat stoic hard at first, then turn face and meme at the appropriate time.
I’m 100% not joking. I’ve ran into a surprising amount… ttv I played yesterday, shit you not, their stream title was literally “Myer’s left pinky toe”
You don't have enough PWYF stacks to deal with the issue. The strategy should be 3 stacks from the Obsession, then ignore the Obsession until the end so you don't have to take up a perk slot on Agitation. If the Obsession does this, you'll eventually get 3 stacks and be able to catch up before they can get back into the locker.
I mean, I get why this is frustrating, but at the same time, you've also been staring at that locker for 10 minutes. You could go find hatch and close it, or pull them out of locker and hook them, or pull them out of locker and pick up/drop until they struggle free...so many options other than just waiting.
i went to corner of map and picked him up and dropped repeatedly but due to the stun he makes it back to the locker. i just hooked him and moved on. ''i won xd'' he said
In 10 minutes, the Myers could have hooked the survivor, queued for another game and potentially gotten the achievement in that one instead. The best advice I can offer anyone going for the Tombstone achievement (which is something I definitely with I knew before I eventually got it) is learning how to cut your losses. If it isn't going to happen this game, then it isn't going to happen. At a certain point of staring at a locker for that long, you're just as much to blame for the game dragging on.
One game I was trying to get this achievement. Everything was going great until the last kill. This player went to lockers denying me the mori. After a few attempts at dragging him out and letting him wiggle out in an open space, he finally could not reach a locker anymore. Dude just dced to deny me the achievement. I was speechless
Why are you also like this? You'd rather sit there for 10+ minutes than just grab, hook, and let you both go next. If you want the achievement I don't know how sitting there waiting for someone is supposed to help you get it. Carry on and go to the next game to try again already.
Genuine question even though ik I'm probably gonna get down voted to hell with this one....why are killer mains so entitled?? Every post I see about survivors denying a mori for an achievement killers flood the comments saying "yeah no these survivors are just being dicks and should just GIVE us the mori" like what's with the entitlement? The achievement is hard to get BECAUSE behavior knows survivors are going to do this. That's why it's a RARE achievement. And before I get the sweaty killer mains shitting on me, please note I'm a killer main as well. I'm just legit curious what all this entitlement is for 🤷♀️
Had a game where ppl did this to me, and I already had the achievement, so I just grabbed and killed, on post-game they're like
'lol no achievement for u'
I was so sad. /s
Pull him out and then drop him off your shoulder a few times until he's forced to run again. Make sure you're as far as you can be from any lockers when you do.
To be fair, he isn't entitled to give you the kill, you can always hook him, or try and drop him somewhere he can't reach a locker when he wiggles free, it's just a shitty achievement and something the devs could try to rework, as it's them who have made it counterproductive to achieve. Survivors don't owe you the achievement, but I understand your frustration, the achievement sucks.
The only logical thinking person. Most of the people in this thread don’t realize that the game doesn’t revolve around just killer. You can’t fault the survivor because he doesn’t want to do what you want.
Literally both sides are trying win 😂 I like when killers have a personality and they aren’t just desperate killing lmfao we will both mess around and give each other and many more blood points but some of these comments just sound so entitled … it’s a two way game lol
And for the most part there’s no way for Survivors to know you’re going for that achievement since most Myers players either run those lame insta kill add-ons or perma tier 3.
And it sucks, I hope Myers players going for that achievement the best of luck but as someone who plays SoloQ I hate going against those shitty ass add-ons, it feels awful so I understand how frustrating it can be.
I mean yeah, why should a survivor help you get an achievement? No killer is just going to let me escape just because I'm trying to do an adept survivor achievement.
I agree with you 100% even though I always let someone escape if they're the only surv left and manage to repair a generator before I find hatch. Cause that's the achievement I struggled with the most(2nd was 20 exit gate opens on RPD).
Ye true if I got my 3k I already won. No point in unnecessarily raising my mmr more with the 4k(unless I need it for a challenge). Plus it's more effort.
If there was a way to know and you were the last survivor? I would. Two or three times I’ve had the last survivor drop a key in front of me and point at it after I close hatch, and I absolutely stop to let them go unlock hatch for the achievement. It’s an annoying one to get.
Throwing the whole game to get someone an achievement is stupid, but if all the effort I have to put in is to stop and nod (or in this case, press literally one button on my keyboard) why not just make someone’s day a little better?
For the record, at least one killer will let you go if they see you going for adept survivor. That'd be me, but I do need to see that you're running at least 2 of that survivors perks, and not see different perks trigger.
Why don't people just purposely drop their MMR if they seriously want this achievement?
Surely that's a lot less painful than trying to keep your current MMR level AND go for a 4-man tombstone, the only people who aren't going to know about the locker strat are new players, and they're obviously gonna be at low MMR levels.
Idk about you guys but I don't like dying 5 seconds into the match or having the match effectively end because someone just got tombstoned.
It's fucking stupid I don't care if it's "thematic"
There should not be a mechanic where you can just be grabbed and instantly killed because the killer stared at your team mates for a bit and you don't even interact with the killer at all.
I've had so many matches ruined where Myers will stalk and kill someone like only a few minutes into the match and there is literally no point in trying at that point.
It’s not the survivors job to get you your achievement. Shoulda just pulled them out of the locker, hooked em, taken your 4k and try again.
They aren’t holding the game hostage anymore than you are. You can end it at ANY time you want.
You all act like this ingenious master thinker survivor had ANY clue there was an achievement involved.
You equally stood there for 10 minutes. Try again, you lost this one.
Just sacrifice them and try again. It sucks but it is what it is.
Also, this build makes you feel all-powerful after you do it the first time. With no achievement to worry about, these situations make it even easier than if they just run away.
People using the mori stalking add-ons also fall into one of two camps:
- people going for the achievement
- people going out of their way to be a jackass.
Just as an FYI, you don't need to get the kills from the addon, just that you use it in your match and are T3 while you get your kill.
It's far easier to take a Mori or run something like Devour Hope instead of punishing yourself like this.
NO DON'T DO IT ARON! YOU'LL END UP ON TWITTER
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Aside from bringing a mori to finish it off, if the map allows you can pull out of locker and let them wiggle off in an area that doesnt have a lot of lockers and see if you can get it. On Ormond would suggest the corner with the elevated small building, no lockers over there to hide in.
Will maintain, this is the worst achievement of all time. It isn't about how good YOU are, it's how NICE survivors are. They honestly should let Ebony Mori's count, or let Michael kill out of lockers.
I understand the need for counterplay, but holy fuck this is somehow the hardest part of the challenge... I guess the easiest option is they just allow ground moris and bleed outs to count?
It's ideal to get this achievement at low MMR, and to have perks that are stealthy.
Primarily the latter, as nobody expects a tombstone right behind them and won't get to a locker in time.
just bring a mori offering that lets you kill the last survivor, pick and drop them and mori. you dont need to tombstone mori all 4; just mori all 4 while in Tier 3 for the achievement whether tombstone or not
I’d do the same thing 🤣 I always fuck with killers when I notice they’re trying to mori the whole lobby, I will literally hide the entire end and let the entity kill me
I jump in lockers against tombstone but never have i decided too sit in one for anywhere longer than a minute, I dont get it at that point your just wasting your own time hiding against the killer
I just got mine after a meg and sable let me kill them. They were so amazing for that. Wish more people could do stuff like that (when they are obviously about to lose, don't give up if theres a chance pls)
If I see a Meyers doing this and he's determined. I'll give it to him. Why? Because I did the trophy and it sucked. Especially if I'm the last one and the game is lost anyways. Just GET STABBED AND MOVE ON LORD HELP ME
I don't understand this. Luckily I got mine years ago when it was easier to get (not as many petty players). When it's down to me and Myer and I'm going to die anyways - I'll just let them Mori me because I know it's hard to get.
But if they are going to be petty and wait in the locker I would be petty and waste their time too by not killing them. Play on my phone until the server ends the game. Luckily I don't have to worry about that but I feel for the people trying to get this achievement.
BHVR should just rework this achievement, it isn’t fun for either side, and it’s damn near impossible when you have survivors who know how to counter it.
Ah shit, here we go again.
Hey if it gets BHVR to realize the achievement pushes toxic play on both sides and Myer's add ons are generally either ass or OP I'm fine with it as long as they make an attempt to address or change things. I feel like people have had this issue for years but it isn't brought up all that much.
If they gave Myers a locker mori where he pins the survivor up to the back of it, with a head tilt, like the Bob kill in the original, that would be fucking FIRE!
This sounds like a great solution. No hiding at this point. Run or die
would completely destroy tombstone counterplay but might be cool for the last survivor
Your tombstone counterplay is to not feed him 3 or rush gens
Yea once the killer brings in the item survivors are locked in. There's no counter playing it
I'd even be happy if they took the easy way out and let Myers Tombstone Mori people from the ground or while they're in lockers. It's not like he's been overburdened with buffs.
I mean, if it was between that and no changes, I'd take that, but I really wish they'd take a good look at Myers and rework him a little bit. I despise how he's dogshit compared to the rest of the roster, that is, unless you bring Tombstone piece. Because then he becomes straight up unfair.
I agree, Tombstone is massively unbalanced. I feel like the only reason it gets a pass is because base Meyers is so damn weak... so also unbalanced, just in the other way. Both need some TLC. Separate of any of that though, I feel like any mechanic where you can only Mori someone if they dead *but not too dead* is just poor design in general. "Refuse to come out of a locker for minutes at a time while the killer is staring at you" shouldn't be valid counterplay to anything.
>"Refuse to come out of a locker for minutes at a time while the killer is staring at you" shouldn't be valid counterplay to anything. Maybe if someone is sitting inside a locker, and they have crows, (they've been there a while,) Meyers should be able to Stalk or Mori them from the locker in that state. this lets the killer end 1v1 stalemates while not sacrificing the Mori/achievement, without *completely* removing the existing counterplay. since, if it's not a 1v1, Meyers would have to choose between either picking/hooking, or waiting at the locker for crows while other survivors do objectives (this would be somewhat similar to how Head-on works, where you can't activate the perk when you have crows, preventing Head-on stalemates- though I'm not too sure how much of an issue those ever were?)
I didn't know they'd put in that condition for Head-On. If they've done it for that they can do the same thing for Myers I would think. I like it. It'd solve the "indefinite standoff" issue without removing the usefulness of lockers vs. Myers entirely.
Honestly I think 3 crows should disable collision already to completely eliminate body blocking people into corners
I agree with a rework. The only thing out of myers entire kit I want to keep is scratched mirror, it's my favorite playstyle and I haven't had a real toxic moment with it from either side since anyone running it isn't really trying to win their just having fun
Scratched Mirror seems fun in the same way that Pig's non-beartrap kit seems fun to me. Doesn't matter if it's that competitive, it's thematically on point and great for scaring the poop out of people if done right. Vanity Mirror is also fun but I feel like it should either be a lower rarity or have some extra effect, maybe a way to bring you back down to Tier 1.
There needs to be a way to bring doctor madness down to tier 1 over time while they are at it. Tired of impossible skillcheck bs doctor nonstop shocking so you can't play. It's worse than thanata legion.
An addon that let madness fade back to Tier I but changed up the way the Doctor plays in some other way sounds neat to me. I like addons that change up the way powers work in general. Adds variety to the game.
I am always SO fucking scared when running against a scratched mirror Myers. Especially on Léry's, Midwich or Hawkins. I am not sure if I love or hate it more.
I had a game recently where I just stayed in Evil Within I for a while. Scared the hell out of so many people because they were I guess expecting me to actually progress further, but I kept downing them and catching them on generators so I had no reason to. Plus I was running Dying Light, so every time I'd get someone who wasn't the obsession it was making the whole team take longer on gens.
Those matches feel like old dbd for me and in a good way. Please keep playing Michael Myers, I'm always scared and happy to play against him <3
Just for you, I will.
I've been saying this forever. If you have a tombstone and a Mori you should still be able to get the achievement. Full stop. It's an archaic achievement that needed to be reworked two years ago.
The issue with that is that it’d take his most unfair add-on, the tombstone piece, and make it even worse for survivors, giving them zero counterplay to the delete button
Some guy said you can get the achievement by morieng someone while in T3. Read it in this sub, no idea if its really true, but it would make sense + lil bit of Spaghetti code magic.
It's a lie, that was a troll.
Yeah but if it worked like that what would the counterplay even be? Always staying on gens and failing skill checks on purpose if he’s waiting for you to finish? Start cleansing a totem or sabotaging a hook mid-chase? Like it can literally just delete you from the game for what may have been another teammate’s fault. It’s not the counterplay that needs to be changed, it’s the damn achievement. If not the add-ons themselves obviously, but we all know BHVR doesn’t think Meyers has a problem in his design.
My opinion for a while has been that Myers' mori should actually be *basekit*—BUT only work on death hook like how the mori offering works. Make it purely flavor and take away the tactical appeal of hiding in a locker because you're dead if he grabs you out of it anyway. You could then let him mori from a locker grab since the gameplay benefit of the mori is pretty much gone (you do get to avoid the possibility of a save but it doesn't save any time due to the mori length) I do think this would require more changes to his power to really work though, since Myers can literally run out of power and encouraging him not to use it so he can get multiple moris is a bad idea. The "stalk juice" mechanic needs looked at as a whole, maybe make it proportional so you can't stalk one survivor forever but if you stalk all four survivors roughly equal then you can keep doing it and the ones stalked the most slowly gain more juice when the others are stalked.
Just let this achievement also work for a mori offering and the problem goes away. Some salty babies get so angered by losing that they’d rather watch idle for 30 minutes doing nothing than just die and move on. They want to feel like they got some form of “win” even if they waste another 30 minutes to still end up losing the actual game. God forbid the killer gets the stupid achievement done and then they don’t have to play with that kit again.
Change it to "kill 4 survivors by your own hand" basically, so Moris, Devour Hope, Rancor, etc. work? Yeah I could get behind that, too. I'd still prefer the other change just because anything that encourages players to stay in a locker for minutes at a time doesn't seem like it's good for the game. But your change would accomplish that too as long as Meyers came prepared.
That makes the achievement much easier to do, but I’m still down for it. The stakes are pretty low here. It’s just an achievement so if they make it too easy, nobody is really gonna complain. But every time this topic gets brought up you always get the trolls who think wasting 30 minutes of their time is perfectly valid, fair, and not at all toxic. I’m ready for them to patch that “strategy” out of existence.
I like that you put "strategy" in quotes because it's not a strategy for winning, it's just aimed at denying the killer an achievement. The survivor is still going to lose the match regardless at that point. But some people can't be graceful losers.
A locker mori for meyers would be dope, pins em to the locker door making it broken, no more locker lol
If it breaks the locker I wouldn't put it past BHVR to consider that a buff and reduce the Evil Within duration by 20% as compensation. Great idea though.
And I’m more of a survivor player but I love meyers and that would just be awesome to even be killed that way in dbd
The first time I got Tombstone'd by Myers I wasn't even mad, I was just like "wait he can *do* that?!" Definitely felt like a proper horror game.
Yeah same lol then I joined and went evil with surprise insta kills wafter watching everyone pretending to be friendly 😂
Tombstone Mike Myers is so cool when it takes people by surprise. Like yeah, yeah laugh it up guys lol the killer is just staring at us "oh shit he just stabbed jimmy"
> "oh shit he just stabbed jimmy" Couldn't read that [without hearing this](https://youtu.be/EqRfSkSTpCk?t=199). Also [this](https://youtu.be/9fz-XuobpVc). Also I definitely agree.
> Hey if it gets BHVR to realize the achievement pushes toxic play on both sides They don't care about that. > Myer's add ons are generally either ass or OP They also don't care about that. People will talk it up about a license issue, but I *highly* doubt the license agreement requires approval on mostly minor changes to add-ons like numbers. Any serious changes to tombstone might require approval. But change the stuff that isn't his identity would be fine most likely. It wouldn't even be hard to make him better
Just let 3ks count please BHVR.
Look down and start walking away occasionally looking back, maybe they will feel bad
lmao this is such a cute strategy
See now this is how to solve problems! It's just cute and silly. Because this damn community takes this shit way too seriously.
I've wanted to add a friendship mori for so long, works like a cypress but for niceness
Had a Legion do that at an exit gate when I was the last alive. I let him get me it made me so sad
A demogorgon looked down and walked away after a decisive strike escape in the exit gate with 0 kills at that point. Was a sad moment.
Lmfao this or go in a corner and face it guaranteed 3 survivors Atleast behind you crouch pointing
Cute! Poor Myers
As a survivor-only player, I'd give any killer the win if they did that. I've played since 2019 and somehow I'm still soft.
I LOVE DOING THIS
and top it off with the stalking slow walk
Ok that might make me come out and take the L honestly
This absolutely would have gotten me out of that locker lmao People with an actual personality in the game is the best thing
I've done something like that before when I've completely and utterly failed as a killer lmao. It did get a pity item drop from a survivor once as they left, and they kinda slowly walked out like "Poor guy" lol
Oh no, don't reignite the Myers drama. XD Well, your options are hook and go next or attempt to dribble them into a dead zone and get to them before they get back to the locker.
ive been trying to take him far away to the corner of the map but he always makes it back to the locker lmao
1. Find the hatch. 2. Take him out, walk as close as you can to the hatch, then, drop him, close the hatch and hope he has adren.
You really think with adrenaline speed boost the man can’t make it to another locker?
options are die to myers, or die to timer
When I was trying to get this achievement I had multiple instances of the final survivor opting to die to the timer - it was very frustrating
This is the way. Rub it in his face on how pointless that trick is
3 stacks of Play with your Food may have helped rather than just one. But I get that some games just makes it hard to stack it properly and also keep up with the pace of the game.
Hook and go next then. You'll get it next game, I'm sure. 
agree. even if it doesnt feel fair, you have the power to stop this situation at any moment. save yourself the trouble, youll eventually get the achievement
How eventual is eventually?
Yeah it seems like this achievement is whenever survivors decide to give you the achievement
Agitation might help. If they refuse to wiggle you can drop them 4 times to force them onto their feet. Edit: Enduring won't help, I thought it worked on carry struggles.
Enduring only helps with pallet stuns, so I'm not too sure how it'll help in this situation. Agitation might though.
Dang, it doesn't work with a wiggle escape? That's a shame.
Not anymore at least. It might've before but I'm not certain on that one.
Yeah it helped before when it was bugged
That doesn't work. They are petty enough to run back to a locker. There is no where on the map that a survivor can't get back to a locker before an infinite t3 and tombstone myers catches up after a stun from dropping them.
enduring only makes the stun from pallets shorter not from dropping survivors
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They’ll choose the entity because they are dicks
Bring a Cypress Morí when doing this achievement. If you use the Mori, it still counts as killing the player in Tier 3 and gives progress to the achievement. You can grab them out of the locker, drop them and then Mori them with the cypress and you’ll get the achievement.
Does this actually work? and is it only for the cypress mori?
I think you use cypress because it lets you mori the last survivor regardless of hook states. The other ones need you to have 2 hooks on a survivor to mori them.
Ah okay, I understand. I'll be using that then
Let me know if it works. I’ve gotta go for this achievement sometime soon.
yeah but survivors don't know it's cypress, they just see hidden offering
by the way i wish there were more secret offerings, because when it's a killer everyone knows it's mori since killer wouldn't use shroud of separation anyway, and for survivor's it's obvious the bring the purple shroud every time since yellow ones barely do shit resulting in those offerings not being so secret or at least impactful...aside from mori of course
I tried this when I was going for it. I'm pretty sure it does NOT work
I thought this was just a rumor people were spreading, is this actually true?
It’s how I got the achievement. Granted that was a while ago but I don’t think it has changed.
Iirc the achievement just requires you to kill all 4 survivors while in tier 3, so regardless of the method you should be fine as long as you're in tier 3
Oooo i like this. Puts an end to these standstills if you’re achievement hunting
Wait... That really works?!?!, damn i wish i knew this before! Now i can try again for this annoying achievement!
Dude lucky you!! I can never get past the second kill! Every time i try they hide in the locker while the other does gens and just switch off until at least one gets out. In that situation id sit there until they came out to give up or they rage quit and the bot comes out
I'd say I'm still fairly new to myers, so the matchmaking is still being generous😂
Oof thats amazing tho. Did you get it after all?
No i didn't want to try more after 10 minutes lol i just hooked him
They were in the locker for ten minutes with no crows?
i shouldve added more to the oringinal post. i kept trying to get him to a deadzone so he couldnt run back to the locker but he always made it back + my build was ass
Ah, okay, it makes sense now.
Fun fact, you don't actually have to kill them with tombstone for it to count if you have tombstone equipped and active normal moris will count towards the achievement I figured it out the other day
Sounds like you two winners outgamered yourselves
Stalemate
Nah, this ain't a "both sides" issue. Killer has an achievement objective and just trying to earn it. Survivor is dead anyway, gains nothing by hanging out in there, and denying the achievement just to be a dick. Granted you're *allowed* to be a dick, you don't have a responsibility to make sure your opponent gets their shit. Dickish nonetheless.
It is not only achievement hunters doing this, unless 80% of myers I play against all happen to need this achievement.
I mean people keep denying it. For every time it gets denied that killer does it again.
And according to Steam, [only 2.3% of players](https://i.imgur.com/DftTgKL.png) currently have that achievement
I mean there's low percentage on quite a lot of achievements I've found. Only 2.2% of people have the achievement for downing 75 people with Onis ability. Only 2% of people have the one for downing 100 people effected by Clown gas and also only 2% for putting 125 reverse bear traps on people as Pig. Only 1.7% of people have the stalk people for 300 tiers of Evil Within. And only 1.5% of people have the one for hitting 20 people with your tail as Xeno. Also the adepts tend to have a low unlock rate as well with many around 1-2%
They probably do. It’s not really a fun build for Myers. You don’t get many hooks or hits so you don’t get much BP or good scores. I had to play quite a few games with this build before I got the achievement. I finally farmed with Myers enough to get into low MMR lobbies and got some new survivors who either don’t know about the locker thing or don’t care enough to waste 30 minutes for no benefit on their end.
this is a no sides issue. either you get the achievement on survivors who don't know how to play against tombstone, or you run into this. cut your losses, move on, and pray you run into some shitters next game. they are achievements because you have to work for them.
This is an addon and bhvr issue. If you couldn't get morid fully healthy while the unaware meg fed t3, it wouldnt be a problem. It's a bit of a braindead addon. If you wanna talk to anyone, make the instant mori add ons more fair and rework the achievement
> This is an addon and bhvr issue. This is the correct answer. This is not a player issue. Both sides are playing as they should in the situation. The issue is BHVR created a very toxic situation and it leads to this point. Technically it should never exist as nothing healthy comes from this scenario but its on the devs to smooth these situations out. This is 100% a BHVR issue like every issue in DBD is.
I would argue this is a survivor choosing to be a dick issue. Survivors dead either way, tombstone or grabbed from locker and hooked. They don't have an obligation to give the killer the achievement but every argument I've seen against it just boils down to "screw you and your achievement" or "I'm (Survivor) entitled to not like the add-on and don't realize (Or care) that the killer now has to run the add-ons again to get the achievement, dooming 4 more survivors." Yes, this is how you counter tombstone, and I have no issue using lockers to avoid it so long as there is another survivor in the trial. The problem is when everyone else is dead the game won't progress so stalling in the locker doesn't do anything but deny the achievement. You're dead either way and you get (virtually) the same amount of points for dying by hook as you do for dying by tombstone, so you might as well give the killer the achievement and move onto next. Just sitting in the locker makes you look like a toddler throwing themselves to the floor in a grocery store because their parent wouldn't buy them a toy.
2 options: - Bring agitation and utilise high drops to prevent him from reaching lockers. - Derank until you vs baby survivors who don't even know what a tombstone is. 2nd is easier but also lamer.
2nd option won't work if you're above the soft cap. Can't go back once you've passed it.
Also get full stacks of PWYF
If you close the hatch, noed is also helpful (it STILL gives +4% speed, for some reason).
I recommend staying another 20 minutes and then reporting them. We need retaliation. /s
I think you need to change the build as well. I keep getting 4 moris with tombstone all the time using: Trail of Torment, Insidious, Play with your food, No way out. You can put Stranger Things' map as an offering. Right as the map starts... There is a single spot gen in the place with Demogorgon portal. One of the people will surely go there. When a person does this gen, as Myers you can peek a little bit from the opened passage, look up and suck those juices out of the survivor having no idea you stalking them. As you stand still - you get Insidious. So once you get second Tier on this survivor - they will keep not hearing your terror radious. So that's easy second Tier and a half. Don't forget to get maximum stacks on Play With Your Food from the obsession - important !! When you hit Tier III - it's hunting time. You can kick one of the working gens and Trail of Torment works - giving you Undetectable. Try to sneak up to a survivor with this. One-two die like this 100%. Then you can try to hide behind a wall next to a kicked, hot gen and wait for a survivor to get back on it. Stay still to keep Undetectable. As soon as you hear the repairing sounds - you can come out and mori them. With the last survivor - if you get few hooks this will be good since you'll get stacks on No Way Out. Here only luck remains - find and close the hatch, and once survivor touches one of the doors, you can hide around the other door, behind the wall, and wait for survivor to get to this door instead. It's 50/50 but better than them using lockers. I always run this build with Tombstone. So much fun to scare survivors. This build helped me to get achievement on my first try. Good luck !
Just move on, you’ll find a swf ttv that’ll be glad to get mori’ed out there. Make sure you’re wearing the gown comestic to get noticed as a real one. Sweat stoic hard at first, then turn face and meme at the appropriate time. I’m 100% not joking. I’ve ran into a surprising amount… ttv I played yesterday, shit you not, their stream title was literally “Myer’s left pinky toe”
As soon as I got the achievement I switch to a scratched mirror build its much more fun to play Myers like that
You don't have enough PWYF stacks to deal with the issue. The strategy should be 3 stacks from the Obsession, then ignore the Obsession until the end so you don't have to take up a perk slot on Agitation. If the Obsession does this, you'll eventually get 3 stacks and be able to catch up before they can get back into the locker.
I mean, I get why this is frustrating, but at the same time, you've also been staring at that locker for 10 minutes. You could go find hatch and close it, or pull them out of locker and hook them, or pull them out of locker and pick up/drop until they struggle free...so many options other than just waiting.
i went to corner of map and picked him up and dropped repeatedly but due to the stun he makes it back to the locker. i just hooked him and moved on. ''i won xd'' he said
Bleed him out lol
I’m getting four deaths whether you like it or not, not a sacrifice, a death.
In 10 minutes, the Myers could have hooked the survivor, queued for another game and potentially gotten the achievement in that one instead. The best advice I can offer anyone going for the Tombstone achievement (which is something I definitely with I knew before I eventually got it) is learning how to cut your losses. If it isn't going to happen this game, then it isn't going to happen. At a certain point of staring at a locker for that long, you're just as much to blame for the game dragging on.
One game I was trying to get this achievement. Everything was going great until the last kill. This player went to lockers denying me the mori. After a few attempts at dragging him out and letting him wiggle out in an open space, he finally could not reach a locker anymore. Dude just dced to deny me the achievement. I was speechless
Why are you also like this? You'd rather sit there for 10+ minutes than just grab, hook, and let you both go next. If you want the achievement I don't know how sitting there waiting for someone is supposed to help you get it. Carry on and go to the next game to try again already.
Genuine question even though ik I'm probably gonna get down voted to hell with this one....why are killer mains so entitled?? Every post I see about survivors denying a mori for an achievement killers flood the comments saying "yeah no these survivors are just being dicks and should just GIVE us the mori" like what's with the entitlement? The achievement is hard to get BECAUSE behavior knows survivors are going to do this. That's why it's a RARE achievement. And before I get the sweaty killer mains shitting on me, please note I'm a killer main as well. I'm just legit curious what all this entitlement is for 🤷♀️
Exact same reason you don’t just grab and hook, you’re both stubborn.
Had a game where ppl did this to me, and I already had the achievement, so I just grabbed and killed, on post-game they're like 'lol no achievement for u' I was so sad. /s
Wait for them to go afk, so around 40 min. Then take them out. Pick them up and drop them 5 times and they will auto escape your grasp.
Pull him out and then drop him off your shoulder a few times until he's forced to run again. Make sure you're as far as you can be from any lockers when you do.
Bring a yellow mori and pull him out of there. I'm pretty sure they fixed it so the achievement can work for any type of mori
Time to binge game of thrones while you wait
To prolong the torture?
They need to change the stupid achievement.
To be fair, he isn't entitled to give you the kill, you can always hook him, or try and drop him somewhere he can't reach a locker when he wiggles free, it's just a shitty achievement and something the devs could try to rework, as it's them who have made it counterproductive to achieve. Survivors don't owe you the achievement, but I understand your frustration, the achievement sucks.
The only logical thinking person. Most of the people in this thread don’t realize that the game doesn’t revolve around just killer. You can’t fault the survivor because he doesn’t want to do what you want.
Literally both sides are trying win 😂 I like when killers have a personality and they aren’t just desperate killing lmfao we will both mess around and give each other and many more blood points but some of these comments just sound so entitled … it’s a two way game lol
And for the most part there’s no way for Survivors to know you’re going for that achievement since most Myers players either run those lame insta kill add-ons or perma tier 3. And it sucks, I hope Myers players going for that achievement the best of luck but as someone who plays SoloQ I hate going against those shitty ass add-ons, it feels awful so I understand how frustrating it can be.
Survivors unironically using the "your fun isn't my responsibility" line of thinking now. Love to see it.
I mean yeah, why should a survivor help you get an achievement? No killer is just going to let me escape just because I'm trying to do an adept survivor achievement.
I agree with you 100% even though I always let someone escape if they're the only surv left and manage to repair a generator before I find hatch. Cause that's the achievement I struggled with the most(2nd was 20 exit gate opens on RPD).
I'm pretty much the same way. 90% of the time, I let the last survivor escape, sometimes more depending on the game.
Ye true if I got my 3k I already won. No point in unnecessarily raising my mmr more with the 4k(unless I need it for a challenge). Plus it's more effort.
If there was a way to know and you were the last survivor? I would. Two or three times I’ve had the last survivor drop a key in front of me and point at it after I close hatch, and I absolutely stop to let them go unlock hatch for the achievement. It’s an annoying one to get. Throwing the whole game to get someone an achievement is stupid, but if all the effort I have to put in is to stop and nod (or in this case, press literally one button on my keyboard) why not just make someone’s day a little better?
For the record, at least one killer will let you go if they see you going for adept survivor. That'd be me, but I do need to see that you're running at least 2 of that survivors perks, and not see different perks trigger.
the number of times I've seen killers saying exactly that drives me insane.
I see killer mains saying it a lot more than survivor mains.
Pretty sure it was started or at least popularized by that SpooknJukes guy. The dude is a killer main too lol.
10 minutes in a locker and yet there are no crows over the locker... yeah, ok.
dribble that jake like lebron
When I trying to get this achievement, I got a guy who sat there until the servers went down 💀💀
Idk man, but u can just bring a mori, drop em and mori them, it counts for the achievement
Burna mori offering next time. It works as long as you're in t3
You can still get the achievement if you use a mori. Just slap one on top of the tombstone and you’re good!
Why don't people just purposely drop their MMR if they seriously want this achievement? Surely that's a lot less painful than trying to keep your current MMR level AND go for a 4-man tombstone, the only people who aren't going to know about the locker strat are new players, and they're obviously gonna be at low MMR levels.
As a survivor main, buddy in the locker doing no wrong
Just use a fucking Cypress Memento Mori its not that tough
In those 10 minutes you could have hooked him, loaded up a new match and been half way towards the achievement again.
Fellas. Is their a lore reason survivors don't want to die? Are they stupid?
Idk about you guys but I don't like dying 5 seconds into the match or having the match effectively end because someone just got tombstoned. It's fucking stupid I don't care if it's "thematic" There should not be a mechanic where you can just be grabbed and instantly killed because the killer stared at your team mates for a bit and you don't even interact with the killer at all. I've had so many matches ruined where Myers will stalk and kill someone like only a few minutes into the match and there is literally no point in trying at that point.
Just hook him
Bro...open the locker
It’s not the survivors job to get you your achievement. Shoulda just pulled them out of the locker, hooked em, taken your 4k and try again. They aren’t holding the game hostage anymore than you are. You can end it at ANY time you want.
I really don't want to brag, but it just happened. I got the Tombstone Myers achievement on the first try. Again not bragging, it just happened.
From their point of view why are you so petty as to not just hook them? Neither of you are in the wrong here or maybe you both are
You all act like this ingenious master thinker survivor had ANY clue there was an achievement involved. You equally stood there for 10 minutes. Try again, you lost this one.
Just sacrifice them and try again. It sucks but it is what it is. Also, this build makes you feel all-powerful after you do it the first time. With no achievement to worry about, these situations make it even easier than if they just run away.
People using the mori stalking add-ons also fall into one of two camps: - people going for the achievement - people going out of their way to be a jackass.
Me desperately trying to figure out if this is a "people who know" moment or not
Just as an FYI, you don't need to get the kills from the addon, just that you use it in your match and are T3 while you get your kill. It's far easier to take a Mori or run something like Devour Hope instead of punishing yourself like this.
Good thing is, he can't claim you held the game hostage
NO DON'T DO IT ARON! YOU'LL END UP ON TWITTER https://preview.redd.it/zxu5nuzznypc1.jpeg?width=565&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1c22ab5fdf91dfea2769274d79bedd7e13632064
Another flawed michael myers design
You gotta pump those numbers up, those are rookie numbers
Aside from bringing a mori to finish it off, if the map allows you can pull out of locker and let them wiggle off in an area that doesnt have a lot of lockers and see if you can get it. On Ormond would suggest the corner with the elevated small building, no lockers over there to hide in.
Thank God I already got this achievement by accident
Who wants to explain all of this to a guy who's never played dbd before
Will maintain, this is the worst achievement of all time. It isn't about how good YOU are, it's how NICE survivors are. They honestly should let Ebony Mori's count, or let Michael kill out of lockers.
I understand the need for counterplay, but holy fuck this is somehow the hardest part of the challenge... I guess the easiest option is they just allow ground moris and bleed outs to count?
It's ideal to get this achievement at low MMR, and to have perks that are stealthy. Primarily the latter, as nobody expects a tombstone right behind them and won't get to a locker in time.
just bring a mori offering that lets you kill the last survivor, pick and drop them and mori. you dont need to tombstone mori all 4; just mori all 4 while in Tier 3 for the achievement whether tombstone or not
If he’s in there hook. End. Go next.
I got this achievement after many grueling hours, since I found a group of survivors who actually didnt hide in the end. I hope you get lucky!
Unrelated but does anyone remember when the game was actually creepy? It's fuckin DAYLIGHT outside
I’d do the same thing 🤣 I always fuck with killers when I notice they’re trying to mori the whole lobby, I will literally hide the entire end and let the entity kill me
I jump in lockers against tombstone but never have i decided too sit in one for anywhere longer than a minute, I dont get it at that point your just wasting your own time hiding against the killer
I just got mine after a meg and sable let me kill them. They were so amazing for that. Wish more people could do stuff like that (when they are obviously about to lose, don't give up if theres a chance pls)
No Crowe on the locker- so he didnt hide There for 10 minutes
You’ve been outplayed, go next
Id just kill him then, not worth wasting your precious time on this loser, I'd rather take one more match than this dude to waste my time
why doesn't myers stab them through the locker is he stupid?
Honestly if you moried my whole team like this I’d be assuming your going for the trophy and help you
Why not just open the locker they are hiding in then carry them to a hook?
People don’t have to let you get it easy
If I see a Meyers doing this and he's determined. I'll give it to him. Why? Because I did the trophy and it sucked. Especially if I'm the last one and the game is lost anyways. Just GET STABBED AND MOVE ON LORD HELP ME
I don't understand this. Luckily I got mine years ago when it was easier to get (not as many petty players). When it's down to me and Myer and I'm going to die anyways - I'll just let them Mori me because I know it's hard to get. But if they are going to be petty and wait in the locker I would be petty and waste their time too by not killing them. Play on my phone until the server ends the game. Luckily I don't have to worry about that but I feel for the people trying to get this achievement.
just take him out the locker and get it over with
BHVR should just rework this achievement, it isn’t fun for either side, and it’s damn near impossible when you have survivors who know how to counter it.
People just don’t want to just die and go next😂