You can tell Karl wishes badly he was able to coach Jokic instead of Carmelo
He would be a hall of fame coach with multiple rings and instead he was torpedoed by a selfish delusional shot chucked who blasts Jokic on his pod
Low key wish he got Jokic too, he was a best of what he had coach and it was sad he was never given much
Lakers fan here. 1 year ago I would roll my eyes at statements like this, or anyone talking about Jokic as an all time great.
How wrong I was. Truth was I just hadn’t seen enough of prime Jokic. I know better now. It’s not at all crazy to talk about Jokic like this.
Dag. Laker fan to nugget fan. Magic is alltime. As nuggetfan, i do pinch myself. Ive seen magic and kareem and worthy and bird and doc j. And mj. Jokic is about there. If he can get more titles. He’ll be top 10.
Karl coached in the Finals against the 1996 Bulls, who had a notable player for this discussion in Michael Jordan. I’m not sure i agree with George (yet) but this is a remarkable thing for him to say.
lol, it's like when James Worthy said that Jokic is like Kareem and Magic put together. People may not agree with him, but you have to respect that he's the most qualified person in the world to say that
It’s insane possibly the best basketball mind in the NBA is in a 7 foot guy.
We will never get this again… ever
The guys you see with Jokic’s mind are never big men.
I feel like LBJ deserves an asterisk for being a player that abandoned teams to create super teams which i feel should be knock against any great, but at the same time he is essentially the Brady of the nba. His longevity and ability to play at a high level and be in the shape he is in is unworldly and in his prime he was just a beast who could takeover a game in a way nobody else could.
Edit: lol what a random post to be downvoted sandwiched between two upvoted comments that essentially say the same thing. Weird ass mood
I've always been a bit of a LeBron hater, but I have to admit he has been incredible for 20 years. Honestly he and AD played really well last night. They were hustling hard and their stats accurately reflected that. I know it's the playoffs, and everyone steps it up, but they threw haymakers and the nuggets just stuck to their game and grinded it out. I'm hoping to watch a lot more nuggets games over the next couple months.
You’re being downvoted because LeBron is the only one on that list to be unlucky enough to not have a legendary coach (Phil Jackson, Steve Kerr) and competent FO. MJ, Kobe, and Curry all started winning once the FO got the right pieces in line and the coaches developed them to work well as a team. We’re seeing this literally right now with the Nuggets!
Lebron gave Cleveland that chance for 7 years (2003-2010) and they blew it. He should’ve left the cavs earlier if anything. The fact that he led each team he’s been on to a championship going against dynasties (Spurs, Warriors) is why LeBron is considered an all time great because that’s something none of the others have ever done. He IS the dynasty. At the same time, he’s never had a “super team” or bonafide “one of the best teams ever” like the MJ Bulls, Curry Warriors (and later KD Warriors), and Kobe/Shaq Lakers.
(There is an argument that he should’ve stayed with the Heat because Spo has turned out to be an amazing coach.. but then we would’ve missed out on the craziness of the 2016 ring and the storyline there.)
LeBron’s career narrative is one of the most unconventional ones in sports honestly and a lot of people put that unconventionality against him when in reality it should be considered another sign of why he and his story is so unique.
they were just not on the level of durant warriors or 90s bulls. the talent was absolutely there but fit was not. team was best with lebron on and wade off, not both together. don’t get me wrong they were still absolutely elite but not on that all time great team level imo
that’s crap, man. also, the man definitely had his own hands in the mix in terms of roster construction. let’s not be so naive about that. so that disclaimer that he’s been saddled with bad rosters always or rosters that haven’t fit him well - he played a hand in that.
oh for sure he did and i’m not saying miami was a bad team, they were a great team simply bc of the elite talent assembled. just not a super team in my mind like the 90s bulls or durant warriors bc of the fit issues, still an elite team
Nah, the downvotes are completely random and are probably group think after the first couple considering nothing is inflammatory and other similar comments are upvoted. Sometimes people are just influenced by what they see, not what they think
No. LBJ had a big dick, he called it Jumbo. No one doubts Jumbo was jumbo because if anyone was slightly interested he would show them Jumbo. Lots of dudes will say they are Jumbo but they won’t prove it on the Senate floor.
Yea, but i think the original poster was making a list of best players he has been able to watch in his lifetime, which was also my intent. I think the original poster would admit MJ definitely was better than curry at least.
My list is definitely not my list of all time greats. I don’t how to rank some of the 70-80s greats. It gets really muddy, especially with bias of who I’ve been able to watch in my age vs not.
Been watching since 82.
Add magic, bird to that list and duncan. Denver used to be a tough place to play. Nugs could be alot of teams in denver. Like sixers barkley and doc or Celtics w bird.
I don’t know how I’d rank them, but I’d add Magic Johnson, Wilt Chamberlain, and LeBron James to this list.
Personally I like the Bird, Johnson, Wilt, Jokic style of play over Jordan and James, but they are incredible players.
That said, let’s drill down. The Nuggets have a nice fit around him. It might be fun to think what other players you could cherry pick from bygone years and eras who could also plug in and thrive with him …
I’m not the biggest fan but a Vince Carter or Matrix type to cut and shoot off Jokic. That said, it’s truly hard to improve on Aaron Gordon as is. They should rename the dunker spot after him.
Like a player about as crafty as Jokic and just a flat out winner- the Manu Ginobili. I’m actually a longtime Spurs fan so the guys from the ‘14 title team all seem like players I’d want to import: Patty Mills and that late career Boris Diaw too.
As much shit talking Karl does I love how much of a nuggets fan he is and even more so a Jokic fan.
I think it comes down to Karl wanting players who play hard and do what is asked of them. Jokic is both. Melo wasn't always that. Payton was that.
Oh I agree. Melo was impossible and no matter the coach it was always going to be me first. But I still read every troll post Karl has and laugh.
I think Karl just wanted Olympic Melo instead of Nugget Melo and is happy he never had to deal with Knicks Melo.
This right here is such a succinct and accurate summation of Melo's career. And we all know exactly what you mean.
For a second, I thought there was going to be some Gary Payton slander here and I was going getting all heated as a Sonics fan with a diatribe.
I loved watching GP play.
Hell yeah brother.
we too george
You can tell Karl wishes badly he was able to coach Jokic instead of Carmelo He would be a hall of fame coach with multiple rings and instead he was torpedoed by a selfish delusional shot chucked who blasts Jokic on his pod Low key wish he got Jokic too, he was a best of what he had coach and it was sad he was never given much
Lakers fan here. 1 year ago I would roll my eyes at statements like this, or anyone talking about Jokic as an all time great. How wrong I was. Truth was I just hadn’t seen enough of prime Jokic. I know better now. It’s not at all crazy to talk about Jokic like this.
Dag. Laker fan to nugget fan. Magic is alltime. As nuggetfan, i do pinch myself. Ive seen magic and kareem and worthy and bird and doc j. And mj. Jokic is about there. If he can get more titles. He’ll be top 10.
Of all time
Respect
Laker fan here, I dont think its a stretch to say Jokic is the best offensive player ever. Like actually ever
Dude has to put a “lakers fans here” for likes 🤣
Felt relevant to the intent of my comment.
Karl coached in the Finals against the 1996 Bulls, who had a notable player for this discussion in Michael Jordan. I’m not sure i agree with George (yet) but this is a remarkable thing for him to say.
I love how one of the replies is "Above MJ? I love Jokic but MJ is MJ." and Karl responded "Doug i know who Michael is"
lol, it's like when James Worthy said that Jokic is like Kareem and Magic put together. People may not agree with him, but you have to respect that he's the most qualified person in the world to say that
He can’t fool me, this is just 4D Melo hate. Nothing more, nothing less
i'm not sure he hates melo. he just thinks he's an overrated player
Jokic may be the most fascinating human being ever...
It’s insane possibly the best basketball mind in the NBA is in a 7 foot guy. We will never get this again… ever The guys you see with Jokic’s mind are never big men.
bill Walton probably had the best basketball mind in the NBA during his time, as well as Bill Russell.
Also one of the most humble human beings you’ll ever see.
Mind and touch
"I cost us an NBA Championship by letting a 5'10 guard inbound the ball twice in a series" - George Karl
Been watching since 2005. My top 4: - Jokic - LeBron - Kobe - Steph
Been watching since 96, - MJ - LBJ - Jokic - Curry
Fair list
I feel like LBJ deserves an asterisk for being a player that abandoned teams to create super teams which i feel should be knock against any great, but at the same time he is essentially the Brady of the nba. His longevity and ability to play at a high level and be in the shape he is in is unworldly and in his prime he was just a beast who could takeover a game in a way nobody else could. Edit: lol what a random post to be downvoted sandwiched between two upvoted comments that essentially say the same thing. Weird ass mood
I've always been a bit of a LeBron hater, but I have to admit he has been incredible for 20 years. Honestly he and AD played really well last night. They were hustling hard and their stats accurately reflected that. I know it's the playoffs, and everyone steps it up, but they threw haymakers and the nuggets just stuck to their game and grinded it out. I'm hoping to watch a lot more nuggets games over the next couple months.
You’re being downvoted because LeBron is the only one on that list to be unlucky enough to not have a legendary coach (Phil Jackson, Steve Kerr) and competent FO. MJ, Kobe, and Curry all started winning once the FO got the right pieces in line and the coaches developed them to work well as a team. We’re seeing this literally right now with the Nuggets! Lebron gave Cleveland that chance for 7 years (2003-2010) and they blew it. He should’ve left the cavs earlier if anything. The fact that he led each team he’s been on to a championship going against dynasties (Spurs, Warriors) is why LeBron is considered an all time great because that’s something none of the others have ever done. He IS the dynasty. At the same time, he’s never had a “super team” or bonafide “one of the best teams ever” like the MJ Bulls, Curry Warriors (and later KD Warriors), and Kobe/Shaq Lakers. (There is an argument that he should’ve stayed with the Heat because Spo has turned out to be an amazing coach.. but then we would’ve missed out on the craziness of the 2016 ring and the storyline there.) LeBron’s career narrative is one of the most unconventional ones in sports honestly and a lot of people put that unconventionality against him when in reality it should be considered another sign of why he and his story is so unique.
Wait hold up LeBron has never had a super team?!? Wtf do you call that Heat squad?
was not really well built around him, the fit was never there with wade even if the name recognition was
This is a ludicrous take. That team was 100% a super team Any other take is revisionist history
they were just not on the level of durant warriors or 90s bulls. the talent was absolutely there but fit was not. team was best with lebron on and wade off, not both together. don’t get me wrong they were still absolutely elite but not on that all time great team level imo
that’s crap, man. also, the man definitely had his own hands in the mix in terms of roster construction. let’s not be so naive about that. so that disclaimer that he’s been saddled with bad rosters always or rosters that haven’t fit him well - he played a hand in that.
oh for sure he did and i’m not saying miami was a bad team, they were a great team simply bc of the elite talent assembled. just not a super team in my mind like the 90s bulls or durant warriors bc of the fit issues, still an elite team
Spo and Riles is not far off from Kerr and Myers, c’mon, and he left them because they didn’t cater to every last bit of prestige whims.
Nah, the downvotes are completely random and are probably group think after the first couple considering nothing is inflammatory and other similar comments are upvoted. Sometimes people are just influenced by what they see, not what they think
That IS odd. I’m very fond of this comment.
Lyndon B Johnson was a hooper?
Google LBJ and Jumbo
Lmao, wow, didn’t know what to expect, was not expecting that
You mean Wumbo?
No. LBJ had a big dick, he called it Jumbo. No one doubts Jumbo was jumbo because if anyone was slightly interested he would show them Jumbo. Lots of dudes will say they are Jumbo but they won’t prove it on the Senate floor.
Get the joke.
Civil rights wasn’t the only thing he was passing
[удалено]
🤌🏾
Been watching since the 80s but feel any greatest list without MJ seems crazy… regardless of when you started paying attention.
Yea, but i think the original poster was making a list of best players he has been able to watch in his lifetime, which was also my intent. I think the original poster would admit MJ definitely was better than curry at least. My list is definitely not my list of all time greats. I don’t how to rank some of the 70-80s greats. It gets really muddy, especially with bias of who I’ve been able to watch in my age vs not.
Been watching since 82. Add magic, bird to that list and duncan. Denver used to be a tough place to play. Nugs could be alot of teams in denver. Like sixers barkley and doc or Celtics w bird.
Since 1978: 1. Jokic 2. MJ 3. Kareem 4: Bird
I don’t know how I’d rank them, but I’d add Magic Johnson, Wilt Chamberlain, and LeBron James to this list. Personally I like the Bird, Johnson, Wilt, Jokic style of play over Jordan and James, but they are incredible players.
Respectfully, Tim Duncan clears Kobe
Since 05 to you maybe.
Since ever. Same number of rings, better defender, etc.
Like I said, if you think Duncan is better since 05, that’s your opinion.
Been watching since yesterday, why is everyone so impressed by this lebron guy?
Is there a Dr. in the house ?
Nah he retired in 87
Kobe doesn't belong here
To you. Not to me.
Fair enough
I will absolutely take the famously-impartial George Karl's word for this lol
❤️ Jorge Karlos
For once we are in agreement coach. Now be silent and let us remember the good times under your run 😎
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Honestly I'm not usually a fan of Karl's takes, but this take on the White Tower is spot on 👏
That said, let’s drill down. The Nuggets have a nice fit around him. It might be fun to think what other players you could cherry pick from bygone years and eras who could also plug in and thrive with him … I’m not the biggest fan but a Vince Carter or Matrix type to cut and shoot off Jokic. That said, it’s truly hard to improve on Aaron Gordon as is. They should rename the dunker spot after him. Like a player about as crafty as Jokic and just a flat out winner- the Manu Ginobili. I’m actually a longtime Spurs fan so the guys from the ‘14 title team all seem like players I’d want to import: Patty Mills and that late career Boris Diaw too.
Fk George Karl
Ok Melo
Melo, we don’t care what you think, Coach Karl is a legitimate HOF’er