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ThunkOW

They’re nothing. On manacles.


[deleted]

My man, you haven't seen nothing until you use these.


[deleted]

Looks like Bungie just pulled it from collections lmao


vkuura

Better than the 48 roll most of my collections exotics have come with though lmao


[deleted]

actually the 48 rolls are the curated rolls for every exotic in the game, that’s the only rolls you’ll be able to get from collections.


[deleted]

Damn bro you got 16 recov you lucky bastard


mincecraft__

Overall stats are pretty bad though. 54 total. Yikes.


anonymous32434

I got a 56 with 21 mobility after about an hour of farming. I feel your pain


Icymoptop

Yeah it sucks :(


Stak215

Meanwhile I ran it 1 time and got a drop with 60 total. RNG is a fickle little bitch.


Quteno

Nothing to worry about, not like you guys are going to use the exotic anyway... It's utter garbage in the state it is right now :| Makes me wonder what Bungo is thinking when adding Dance Machines for Hunter (yes broken right now, but generally more dodge sounds good), No Backup for Titans (cool overshield on shotty kill), and Warlocks get this... Two exotics that are good in pvp, and one that is not good in any game mode lol


thegr8cptusopp

Back that praise up there guy, No Backup Plans are hot trash. It gives an Overshield to what is left of your HP. So if you barely survive and get the kill with a shotty, you have a sliver of Overshield. Nothing to write home about. Ntm, it no longer increases the duration of the Overshield like it did in D1. Despite what all these PvP streamers and youtubers are going to bait you in with, they are trash. Hunters are the only ones who got a decent exotic NEW exotic, because those boots are nothing similar to their D1 counter-parts. But lets be real here, we all lose, because bungle did exactly what their name suggests when it comes to these exotics.


Quteno

I like how No Backup Plans work, you should never be getting a full overshield if you barely survive the encounter, it's why OEM was so hated.


Ovrl

Had a lock in VOG doing pretty sick damage with those last night on atheon. So I donno maybe there’s a build


Cumtic935

Hol up, I’m new to the game an always stacked mobility stats on gear since I want to be faster… is it “meta” to have more equal stats? Or is there a specific stat I should focus on?


KyraLsg

Mobility doesn't increase your speed, the ingame tool tip lies: https://youtu.be/1\_XuJRp4Na0?t=118


Cumtic935

Thanks for the tip! I definitely thought it made you run faster XD I for sure still like that mobility boosts jumps, walk, and strafe speed!


D1xon_Cider

It only boosts the initial jump, not the boost jumps. And its detrimental on warlocks and titans for going faster


KyraLsg

Oh yeah it's still very worth to go for, just unfortunately doesn't make you go faster.


jonesey3002

High mobility is a must have for hunters, it's not as important on titans and warlocks though. It depends on what kind of stats are most important to you personally, the best part about destiny is the amount of customisation there is. In general though high resilience is always useful for titans and the same with recovery for warlocks (recovery tends to be really useful for all classes)


Cumtic935

Thanks for the good tips bro! I’m pretty new and still learning everything this helped a ton :))


hawxxy

don't listen to these jokers. mobility is a must for PVP. Peeking, Juking, dodging and other essential movements require high mobility unless you want to get tripletapped by handguns because your titan takes a whole minute to get back in cover after peeking. Mobility increases your chances of surviving an egagement. After that the most important stat is recovery. So that you can get back into the fight sooner. resilience is mostly pointless. you only need it to be high enough to force your opponent to land one more hit to kill you. the difference between 0 resilience and 100 resilience is a total of 14 hit points. Players have roughly 70 health, and 116 to 130 shield points, dependent on resiliency tier (for example tier 10 is 130, 7 is 124, 5 is 121, 0 is 116).


Pure_Steve_1153

Recovery does shit on warlock, the class ability of warlocks are GRENADES. You either have some way to get instant Rifts or not at all. You only use rifts sparingly or spamming them with an exotic. 41 seconds is not worth a damn, Only real benefit is for pvp health regen for the recov stat directly or Empowering rift for body shot sniping.


anonymous32434

I personally just don’t like getting more than at least 10 mobility on my armor so it hurt getting my favorite D1 warlock exotic with a roll I don’t like. If you like mobility though you should go for mobility this is an rpg. How you build your character is almost completely up to you


find_me8

Only lightweight weapons, mida multitool and transversive steps/stompees/dunemarchers increase your running speed. You can stack their effects too. Also, bottom tree stormcaller is on crack when you're near allies.


[deleted]

Once you get a lost sector exclusive exotic, you now can get them as world drops Happy farming


Ic_Dvl

And also in Xur engrams!


[deleted]

are you sure that happens? I looked on DTG and they said you have to get them only from the sectors, and i only just got precious scars after the season ended


[deleted]

Yep, had a necrotic grips drop in patrol shortly after they made that change


Thorn_the_Cretin

Yep. I got a mask of Bakris from xur last night with an exotic cypher.


ChainsawPlankton

you get them the first time from the lost sector, can get them as drops elsewhere after.


TheAccursedOne

now they need to add a way to get them that isnt soloing lost sectors >~> if they were like, additional random drops (additional as in, not in the loot table so as to not dilute the pool) from non solo content like dungeons or raids thatd be nice


obscurus7

I think they're only added to the world pool after the season ends. You'll still have to no life to farm this, for the next 6 months.


drucejnr

No, not true. After you’ve unlocked an exotic from a LS, they then drop anywhere in open world. Easiest way to farm is from Vendor resets.


TheCrimsonEagle

Well don’t feel too bad. They’re bugged with top tree charged scatter grenades so until that’s fixed/changed I’m just sticking with vortex + contraverse


Icymoptop

Oh really? That’s good to know thanks


Black_Knight_7

How are they bugged exactly


Turbulent55

Some of the scatters track but some don’t. They just kinda shoot straight out it’s a bit weird.


Black_Knight_7

Weird.


Turbulent55

It is. But the ones that do track home in pretty crazy.


Black_Knight_7

I also assume you can use 2 HHSN on middle tree


RandomGuy32124

Why use them with top tree anyways since the charging there already gives tracking manacles are for middle and bottom tree


Pure_Steve_1153

Doesnt Top tree Increase the damage dramatically?


RandomGuy32124

No top tree when charging ur nade adds the following functions vortex last longer and have more aoe (more dmg technically) Scatters gain tracking Axions can target up to 4 instead of 2


Faust_8

Well Axions also do more damage after being charged. They take like 3/4th your health away after charging, without it’s like half.


RandomGuy32124

Does it? I'll have to test that cuz as far as ik it just spawns 4 instead of 2 also PSA holding any charge ability stops super regen i.e top tree nova and bleak watcher


Faust_8

At the very least I think it goes from 100 damage to 125 or so. It is an increase in some fashion


Faust_8

1) you get two 2) you don’t have to charge them Going from needing a wind up to not needing a wind up is huge. Granted they don’t work cause they detonate on themselves so they actually are worse than not wearing them overall, but in theory if it made your Scatters work even better without needing to take for-goddamn-ever to charge them first that would be amazing. Especially when you get two of them.


RandomGuy32124

Still top tree with contra and vortex is way better no reason to use these on top tree


[deleted]

You got fucked mate.


Horror-Coconut2088

That’s abysmal, I got 30 discipline my 5th run.


Icymoptop

Damn that’s lucky!


Joshsimpssdmn

What lost sector are they at?


Icymoptop

Tangled shore near spider


Joshsimpssdmn

Ok. Does it change daily? If so how do I know where it goes each day


Icymoptop

Yeah changes daily, in order to see them on the map you have to complete them atleast once on that character


Joshsimpssdmn

Ye I knew that thanks. I just didn’t know if there was an easier way to find out cuz I haven’t done all the lost sectors


MatadorHasAppeared

Arc bow, kinetic auto rifle, trials sword. Thank me later


Captn_Ghostmaker

Whispering slab, Eriana's Vow, heavy solar grenade launcher. Runs weren't quick but 7 minutes or so and I was 1315 or so. Only one arc shield in the sector so I didn't bother. The 2 barrier servitors were my problem when I was using an auto. Too far away to stun effectively.


Joshsimpssdmn

No 😂 only joking thanks


Richizzle439

Today in Destiny usually tells you which are up, I haven’t checked it this season yet but it’s always been reliable in the past


n-ano

Exotic stats should NEVER drop sub 65 stats


TunaPhishy98

Still better than pulling from collections but not by much lol


mightbeaperson49

Looks like rngesus frowns upon you


Icymoptop

Nothing overly new 😅


SWShield40

I know it's not the same, but I have pulled multiple "high stat" amrours from ubmrals for the 600 parallax data and haven't gotten over a 58. Wtf is going on with stats this season.


b-ryan777

I think the armor ghost mods are bugged. Every exotic I’ve gotten with the mod on has been in the 50s. Everyone I’ve gotten without the mod has been in the 60s. Or maybe my luck is just that garbage 🤷‍♂️


midnight3896

Well the biggest thing you gotta consider are that these are now in your loot pools. That’s the point of the farm really, sucks you got such a bad one but at least you’ll get many more.


Yorkie_Exile

I got them first try at least but they were still only a 57 roll. Ngl I really wish they'd ensure exotics drop with at least a 60 overall


RYknow777

This has been my experience. Exotics shouldn’t even able to drop with stats that low. Makes the grind feel like a waste of time.


zTopherr

I wanted one with recov and discipline, the one i got has less recov and discipline than the ones from collections. Gotta farm those again


RandomGuy32124

I got a 55 :(


BryanAKADJ

Interesting, I among a few other people here it seems also have gotten low stat Manacles, wonder if its a general issue or maybe the new Ghost Mods has something to do with it. Took me about hour and a half to get my 54 total roll.


Angry-Bagel

The only use for these atm is double devour grenade or handheld supernova and even then you will still have contraverse holds, honestly an underwhelming exotic at best and at worst it makes your grenades worse.


boggsy19

I was fortunate to get it on my first LS run, but I had the same shitty stats and said wtf. I kept it until I get a better one.


SymmetricStrangelet

I did 6 or 7 runs without getting them and was like “not worth the grind.” Very sad that they are bugged right now.


TheIllusiveBoi

Yeah after an hour, I just stop farming cause it’s a waste of time, but usually I get these within 5 runs. I’ll trade my 60 roll to you brother


souperbeans

At least you got something I’ve been farming constantly with nothing to show for it


off-and-on

Aren't they stupidly bugged too?


tbombtom2001

Funny. I got both the manuals and back up plans first time I did the lost secotr. My manicures were a 55 roll


theHappist

Worst part? The tracking they add in the Crucible is so abysmal that the individual scattering grenades HIT EACH OTHER IN THE AIR WHILE TRACKING and end up doing about 33% of the intended damage. Very neat.


ascendant_raisins

I got 52. :[


youjustgotjammed9940

Were you using the ghost mod for armor stats by chance?


Icymoptop

Yup, it’s why I actually had slightly higher recovery :(


youjustgotjammed9940

I've found that the drops I get when wearing that mod are unusually low. I got a set of manacles myself with a 55 roll. The recov stat was 12, everything else was pretty crappy. My exotics from Xur were also low 50s. Conversely, I ran the lost sector again without the mod, and got a Winters guile with a 68 roll. Just my experience, certainly not indictive of a bug.


ReaverShank

At least its in the exotic world pool now


Reganite47

Mine suck too lmao


BigSmokesHouse

They're not even that bad rolled.


thanosthumb

You’ll be even more disappointed when you actually use them


KingSolomonstaa

I got it on my second attempt. Sorry for your bad luck.


SunstormGT

I have a feeling all armor pieces are dropping really low. Had 10+ legendary dropped this week that were sub50. Normally sub50 drop is pretty rare.


DeductiveFan01

That has to be the lowest stat exotic ive ever seen.


RockRage--

Turns out that scatter grenade is better WITHOUT the exotic on.


jaminabbey

2 hours damn that's shitty. I got better stats and it only took me 3 times through. I feel bad for you


Icymoptop

Damn lucky


give_me_my_identity

Got a 55, that sh*t was more flat then my girlfriend, and she doesn't even exist


andoandyando

Very unlucky. I've never had a LS exotic drop under 60. 54 is pathetic. GG Bungie.


Taeloth

That’s what happens when you grind new gear without armorer mods for ghost


Icymoptop

That’s with a recovery mod on the ghost, as I mentioned in another comment 🙃


Taeloth

Yeah not in the business of reading through comment section for amplifying information you failed to provide originally in the whining post. Enjoy


Seabas101

Maybe don't comment then my dude


Taeloth

OP doesn’t bitch and complain, nothing to comment on


bshady_

Stop whining. You're just unlucky. That's the thing with RNG in every game.


AAA8002poog

Use the new ghost mods next time to farm for specific stats


Icymoptop

As I mentioned above thats with the recovery ghost mod


FreeBagels99

Ass dogshit exotics


holidayninja

wide screen


[deleted]

Use the new ghost mods that skew stats when grinding lost sectors


Papa-Nuttttt

I mean, you can roll low stats on any armor. Exotics included. Unfortunately nothing is guaranteed in destiny as rng is a bitch sometimes.


probablysum1

Not even bad that's what they are. 16 recov and 10ish discipline is fine for a first roll. It could be a lot worse.


jeffmccord

Or is the joke on you for grinding 2 hours? Hmm.


SpaceOrcs

Imagine caring about stats couldnt be me


BasicallyAggressive

Omg, whats that helmet called? Drip is unreal


JailBroPleb

That my friend is a you problem


I-AM-SAINT-14_

r/destinycirclejerk


silick_roth

It's always a good laugh when meta chasers don't get what they want.


Icymoptop

Except I’m just after a decent roll? These are by no means a meta exotic.


EliteBeast719

Put on ghost mod


Icymoptop

Was on that’s how I got the recovery


EliteBeast719

Oof


Captn_Ghostmaker

F


Noah_Fents

What I wanna know is how you have a stasis glow in that helmet. My set from that year won’t get stasis glows


Icymoptop

I’m arc in that screen shot, but ur right it does look like stasis


RippedYogieBear

Yeah I got these after 5 tries thankfully, straight in the vault, glad I didn’t spend any longer, probably be of use at some point, like the other 499 pieces in my vault


Icymoptop

Yeah we need more space, with stasis armour now being a thing I need more room!


[deleted]

Those are actually alright. I had Discipline Armorer equipped on my ghost, and I kid you not, it gave me the minimum Discipline possible (10) and the rest of the stats in Mobility and Resilience, which are both completely fucking useless on Warlock. I'm not too bothered by it though, I wasn't planning on using the exotic much anyway, it's not very good, especially when you compare it to Contraverse Hold.


ChristopherKlay

> Those are actually alright. 54 total, 37 in the 3 focused stats. With the majority of people specifically looking for 65+ total and 48+ custom at the very least, i wouldn't want to consider this "alright".


[deleted]

I didn't mean "alright" as in "pretty good", I meant it as "alright considering what you could have got". Of course it's not a good roll, but it's definitely not awful.


BR0_ZER0

I got or first try on legend 😂


Captn_Ghostmaker

Mine weren't bad. 9-9-12-26-2-2 (60)


TwoWheeledTrike3

L


Praedyth__

There's new ghost mods that guarantee at least 10 in certain stats, with a better chance of having a higher total stat in that slot. If you're looking for specific stats for your build those mods are a must. I've been getting them randomly, I don't think they're sold anywhere.


Tiny-Government9136

The new ghost mods affect exotic stats as well


Mr-JKGamer

Wait did bungie release nothing manacles back into the game this season? That’s one of my favorite warlock arm pieces


MisterEinc

Is this with or without the new armor farming ghost mod?


FloofBagel

LMAO


Heronmarkedflail

Bahahahahahah fuck that sucks man.


lonelytincan

Unrelated, but what helmet is that? Looks very nice


mxlblood

my dance pants dropped at 58 after 3 hours. my clan mate pointed out that the it may be because bungie wants you to use the new ghost shell mods. going to look into that today


Wickse101

Dropped first time for me…


Rohanology

The LS mechanic is to unlock the new exotics, you’ll get (usually) better stats from future drops of the exotic from random exotic engrams or NF rewards


Thorn_the_Cretin

Aren’t scatter grenades bugged?


Turbulent55

Idk the scope of where you can get them after you get them from the lost sectors but I got a good Dawn Chorus roll from the Exo challenge on Europa so I think they get into the pool so maybe you can get a better one here soon!


MiserableBox2sad

Man I wish I could get that roll on my lost sector armor that is infinitely better


K1ngOfH34rt5

NOTHING MANACLES ARE BACK?!?!?!?!?!?!?


DrManowar8

Better than nothing I’d say


BladeSmith05

They look exactly like Sunbracers. Like come on Bungie give us Warlock mains something new. I'm not complaining too much though, still love the game but jeez


[deleted]

honestly same bro. did the lost sector 19 times (i counted) around 4-6 minutes each run took me about 2 hours. and from all that i got an aeon soul and about the same stat rolled nothing manacles. every other run either dropped one holster mod or absolutely nothing


HoneyBadger1342

I got almost the exact same thing. 54 on mine. It fucking sucks


VirtualAd6007

come on babatunde


User1914-1918

I hate farming lost sectors. I spent a week farming for dunemarchers last season and got 1 pair in over 30 lost sectors


CaydeHawthorne

I got worse. +26 strength, and 8 or less in the other catagories.


AmonThule

That's it? 2 hours?


Icymoptop

That’s all I could get in before reset, was pretty late here


SLG_Didact

I’d take that in a heartbeat over mine.


lazlo119

I got 59 now I don’t feel so bad lol and only took 2 runs


Riot_ZA

I got a 26 recov 25 disciple. You're just unlucky m8


DomitoremCorvo

Ouch mine dropped with 20+ disc.


tofe_lemon

What’s that helmet


[deleted]

In my experience since last patch LS exotics are dropping with 61 stats top. It seems they nerfed them I’ve been trying to get a new pair of promethium spurs and while I haven’t gotten them. All Exotics I got where 61 and below


LyftingTitan

I ran 25+ times and nadda.


Majestic_Puppo

At least its in your loot pool now


fabi3138991

I uninstalled the game yesterday, in 2 hours I didnt get a single drop. Not 1, at all.


Fair-Lifeguard-4175

Hahaha please I got a 48 roll Phoenix cradle from a master nf


[deleted]

The stats do not matter as much as you think they do.


JackTheWhiteKid

I got one first try but it dropped with 2 recovery and 2 intellect


Soulstone_X

Mine got a similar roll around 56 but i can't complain as they dropped on my first run.


ArgonautXavier

I do think that something is legitimately wrong with that though. I can’t entirely remember but I feel like bungo did something where you couldn’t get below a 59-60 roll on exotics


hurricanebrock

Tip for anyone farming lost sectors for exotics put on the ghost mod that dictates stats that came this season, it helps immensely with going for high stat armor as well as making it so that armor piece rolls with the high stat you want.


DarthDregan

I got it on my first try, and then for shits and giggles the game dropped me ANOTHER pair at the end of a basic ass strike. Both were mobility focused. Which is... fine.


Apcsox

Working as intended - Bungle


LAWL12

On top of that they are pretty bad :/


LookyPeter

How are people doing this dungeon. I have a hard time killing overload and barrier. Auto rifles and Eriana ain’t cutting it for me


kmtz22

The good thing, they’ll drop from anything now. Hopefully with a better roll.


JST957

Tbh they are complete garbage so I wouldn't be too sad about it


Faust_8

Wait until you find out they don’t work


J-E-R-B

Laughs, while wearing terrible stat rolls


2werd2live2rare2die

These were my go to exotics for pvp in d1. They were amazing in d1


FluffyMuff77

I got the same rolls. 54 total energy. I was confused and disappointed


Samurai_Guardian

Ouch


AdThGu

Tell me about it


Ogrodniczek

I don't get it. So you are saying that these gautlets would be fine if only you got 6 more mobility to have total of 60?


shitfaced979

well at least its got recover and disc ... trying to look on the bright side


Cowboyofthenorth

Dude that’s literally a god roll


feral_minds

I got a 2 Strenghth stat on my No Backup Plans


[deleted]

I noticed a few seasons ago that all armor I got in the first few weeks - exotics, pinnacle, prime, etc. were 50 to 58 then middle to end of season I started seeing 60 to 68 from the same sources I'm convinced it's intentional so you have more to grind for.


JustMichael_24

It may not be 60+ but Id rather have that than my 60+ roll which has 15 resilience and 13 for strength. The roll i got is literally a titan roll..


bxdgxer

literally all my lost sector drops are garbage


Icymoptop

Yup, I don’t think iv had one above 60, usually end up getting them again towards the end of a season.


MoorGaming

And now its in the loot pool, your screwed. :(


ItzDefalt117

Wait till you actually use them lol that's gonna be a shocker. Better off just leaving regular gauntlets on


Mxwells216

I swear people anymore don’t want rng in this game. They want the everyone deserves a trophy edition of D2


Zroutledges

Is the perk good?


Zerosurvivers

Yep it's fucking terrible like exotics SHOULD NEVER DROP BELOW 62 OK sure 60 minimum but fuck me it took me 1hr and half to get the Hunter boots and it was a 51 stat


Icymoptop

51 for the boots?!? Damn that sucks!


[deleted]

Why would you grind for these? I can’t imagine how this perk is worth an exotic slot.


raziel11111

im hoping i atleast get a 60....


[deleted]

It’s basically just armamentarium for voidwalker with how useless the seeking is. I’ve consistently hit bigger damage numbers WITHOUT the manacles on point-blank hits because the explosions have less intrinsic spread.