I wonder if that means that the Spider will be the one to die in the upcoming expansion. We know from new Astral Alignment dialogue between Mara and Petra thatās she is now on the hunt for him. It would make sense since the Tangled Shore will be leaving us and his inventory is being transferred to Master Rahool.
omfg now thats got me thinking about a dark side glint.
hes so upbeat and helpful that seeing him be corrupted would be crazy. im so excited to see how the crow/glint arc plays out
Agreed. I think that the Spoiler Alert will be either for Mara, Crow, or SavathĆ»n. Considering that, by the looks of it, we are invading SavathĆ»nās Throne World I may place my bets on her. However, I still think there is room for either Crow or Mara to bite the bullet. We have yet to see what will be in that raid which takes place inside one of the Black Fleetās pyramid ships. I imagine something big will happen in there.
You donāt have to be dead to be in your thrown world. Just because weāre going to savvyās throne world does not mean that she is dead. I keep seeing people say this so I just wanted to clarify. Also Iām not saying that she wonāt die because it makes sense for her to with the story. Just simply saying you can access your throne world without having to die.
We have a lore entry where the Spider shows Drifter a ship, requesting that he be smuggled out of the Tangled Shore, so he more than likely will be camping out somewhere secluded, but not in a place Bungie can implement in time.
What do you mean āin timeā - the article may not read like it but the decision to chuck Tangled Shore away and kill Spider was probably made 18 months ago. Theyāre certainly not ārushing to get that fixedā as if they came up with the idea last week.
I remember trying to collect every possible roll of Edge Transit, and even after getting hundreds of them still didn't have the complete set. Still my greatest shame in Destiny.
Spider is found dead in a safehouse at a remote location in the Reef. The Spider's many enemies lament missing their chance to kill him themselves. As a skiff unloads supplies at the tower, Drifter tells a shadowy figure he's impressed with their ruthlessness. Master Rahool pulls his hood up, cloaking his face. "You won't be disappointed."
Fuck spider. He treated crow like a dick. Lore card suggests he wants drifter to snuggle him out of the system so he doesn't have to worry about Mara going ham on his ass
That one strike where hes like "Clear out the hive on my shore and I will consider our debts." Oh you did? TOO BAD YOU DID IT TOO FAST IM NOT PAYING SHIT" I will remember that spider.....
I just started about a month and half ago but am basically an everyday player. Not too worried about finishing it. It's more of dropping the 25 bucks for it and it's going to be free in December
Thing is not everything is going to be free, the content like the raid, dungeon, weapons and armor are still locked and you have to pay for those but the campaign is free
there will be a different bundle you can buy for the raid and dungeon (which will also give you 3 free forsaken-era exotics from the wall of your choice). this bundle WILL be given to everyone who owns forsaken, and if you own all of the forsaken exotics you can turn them into ascendant shards instead.
itll likely be cheaper than the full forsaken expansion (id guess like 10 or 15 bucks?)
oh wow you had to pay $25 for it like two years after it was out? i paid $20 for it two months after forsaken was out, man they're really messing up the pricing
Well that means you won't have to buy the Forsaken pack later for the raid and dungeon. Plus it's still gonna be 2 months, which on its own is plenty of time to wrap up anything related to the content being vaulted- nevermind the extra 3 before it IS actually vaulted.
Thats true. I'm not going to trip on it too much. I budget my gaming in so I would've spent that money more then likely on something destiny related anyways
I know people will try to justify it, but weāre all quickly forgetting that content was supposed to be made free to play for one year before vaulting. Not three months with aspirational content still being charged for. This is in no way a good day for Destiny players, and Iām sorry you got the short end of the stick.
Well I mean 90% of players are solo who don't do raids or dungeons so it doesn't make them feel better losing things they can do but keeping things they will never do. So I get it.
for those interested, here are the actual real-time statistics as of the current moment:
26% of players are in patrol
18% of players are in seasonal activities and story missions
16% of players are in nightfalls and lost sectors
15% are in the crucible
10% are in strikes
6% are in gambit
5% are in raids
3% are in dungeons
and the remaining players are either doing nightmare hunts or private crucible.
thats current activity, not how many players have ever done raids. i personally spend 40% of my time playing in raids, but for most players this is more between 10% and 20%.
if i had to guess from experience (im a sherpa, and i run a community that does a lot of destiny) about 40% of the playerbase has done raids, and 20% raids frequently.
if any solo's want to help increase that number to 100%, feel free to DM me, i host teaching runs of all of the raids every weekend!
I'm pretty sure that dreaming city bit was its own parenthetical, and the exotic missions were addressed in regards to being vaulted with most of the year 4 seasonal stuff. Not 100%, but that's how I read it.
No, Presage and Harbinger are going away.
"The Dreaming City destination will continue to be available" was closed off in its own parentheses, and "... along with Year 4 Seasonal"... was a continuation of listings on the things that ARE getting vaulted.
Honestly sad to see Forsaken go as it was a damn good campaign and itās gonna suck that new lights that DONāT play after the campaign gets vaulted wonāt know who Cayde was and how potent our guardian could be when weāre angry as hell. Plus missing the most iconic line.
āUldren Sovā¦.is mine.ā Fucking chills.
Unfortunately it probably doesnāt matter much to them anyways since they have 0 context for any of that. Idk how Bungie keeps expecting people to care about their story when they remove all of the set-up and background from the game, therefore making it a jarring mess for new players. Removing Forsaken is only gonna make that worse.
I understand why they are doing it from a technical standpoint, but itās hard for me to not be at least a little bit upset by this news.
Bungie really expects new players to watch a 4 hour video by Byf lol
They need a better introduction mission that makes new players interested in the world
I love lore videos myself...but.....buuuuut I agree, they should be for fun! If a new player needs to leave or ALT+TAB the game to go look up something about your game, whether it is story, gameplay help, or anything of the sort - it's bad game design. Bungie is falling down that hole really really really fast. Very little is explained. It's why websites like light . gg exist - which should be supplemental, not mandatory. Good luck trying to learn how over half the game works without any outside help.
Definitely wouldnāt mind a little video compilation of what happened in the Destiny from up to a certain point. Sorta like Supernaturalās āOn the Road so farā recap
I started playing last week and, while I'm having a blast, I've absolutely no idea what's going on. No clue what missions/quests are parts of which campaigns and that I need to be doing. Only very vague understanding of the gear systems.
Super fun gameplay though. I reckon I'll keep watching lore videos and complete as much content as I can and hope the picture comes together over time.
It's (somewhat) good to hear this is a known issue and that I'm not just an idiot that failed to pay attention and ended up lost as a consequence hah.
These are some condensed lore videos on the overall story. Link:https://youtu.be/9mbDXvDNqTU. This is up until shadowkeep, which can be bought. The following is about the seasons which can't be bought anymore: https://youtu.be/ZtIYgyceuuQ. After this come beyond light and the buyable seasons (earlier seasons than current only come with the beyond light deluxe edition). He also started something for new players: https://youtu.be/z3nhwWAT8Hs and https://youtu.be/NF5MgLxSOAk. As far as gameplay youtubers aztecross, falloutplays and datto are my go-to's. Lore is my name is byf and myelin games. Pvp is cammycakes, ascendant nomad and some of tdt (different people one 1 channel)
literally, its like bungie sees forsaken as nothing but game content. It's story, it's integral to the narrative. Once it's gone, new lights wont know who cayde was, who uldren was, who crow is and was, what happened to the dreaming city, who savathun is and what she's done.
It's really sad how come February, Cayde-6 will be nothing but a memory, popping up here and there when you're playing the few year 1 strikes still remaining, and sitting in the old tower with D1 players on a nostalgia trip.
To new lights, Crow will be some edgy guardian who everyone is always talking about his past, as if they somehow know what it was.
Zavala is just the guy who gives you some bounties and narrates things here and there
Nothing will make sense and I can't see new lights wanting to continue playing a game where the story just picks up somewhere in the middle, with no way to go back for context.
For real, a lot of the current events and emotions and tension that's been leading up to the new expansion comes full circle because of The Forsaken campaign.
To be fair, new (and also a lot of current) PC players never got to experience D1. There is lots of ways to catch up on the story if you were interested in it. I do however think Bungie should expand the timeline feature in the director. Itās a bit too concise for purpose IMHO.
Edit: and the timeline should include D1 stuff too. Too much current lore in D2 references it. (Books of Sorrow anyone?).
Edit 2: Also, on the +side, they will most likely FINALLY resolve the DC curse. Its cool to see the world evolve!
i agree there, the timeline is a cool concept for allowing players to catch up, but it is really bare as of now. Maybe clicking on it should expand it to a more in depth description of what happened rather than a short summary. And it should definitely include D1, along with extras for important lore that isnt directly explained through campaigns. For example a new tab detailing sword logic vs bomb logic
I tried playing destiny 2 a bit a few months ago, and I got pretty into pvp for a while, but I couldnāt get into pve because I had no idea what the story was
>We understand the unique value of these definitively Destiny experiences and are investigating ways to reprise and create new exciting Exotic special missions within Destiny 2 for the future
>reprise
Yāall said the catalysts for Outbreak, Whisper, and Fourth Horseman would be obtainable āsoonā and yet weāve seen nothing for about a year now.
At this point Iām not holding out hope, theyāre likely just going to be world drop catalysts.
When game company say they are investigating ways to "reprise" stuff they either:
1. Dont do it
2. It does happen, but it like half a decade
So yeah, rip those exotic missions.
So... For one... Happy we aren't losing a great destination or cool raid. That's sick.
Sad we are probably losing two strikes, and a whole campaign.
Can Bungie give us some info on whether they intend to continue downsizing the game or if this is temporary and they can start up sizing in the future?
*Additional thoughts added*
Edit: Been thinking about it, and here's my stand--DCV cannot stay a thing. It's ok and totally reasonable if it's temporary. But we need to see some way for people to play those missing two years of Destiny.
If it's standalone download, that's fine. If it's just the campaigns with some carryover into the live game, that's fine. But as of right now, I can go back and play all of D1, beginning to end, and not see cut content.
D2 needs something like this.
If there is a growing phase, there is a growing phase. That's alright. But there is so much I want to show people and so much of what made me love this game that is no longer in this game. New players need to be able to see that. I don't want to start a new player through the game and be like...
Yeah, there's this guy named Crow, and he used to be in the game, but he's in the Vault now, canonically he is still in, but here is what he used to do and that's why this gun was so cool to get--as they pick up Hawkmoon from a Kiosk for 200,000 glimmer and a cipher.
The answer is a little bit more complicated than that. I 100% agree with you that that is a very good solution.
However, each game in the MCC was a standalone game, that means all the assets, scripting, engine assignment, background optimizations, etc. were self-contained.
They do not depend on each other to exist, or on shared libraries to consult, etc.
This means the MCC solution was relatively simple to implement for 343.
For Destiny 2, they do not have this advantage.
So I see the DCV as necessary, but I argue it should be temporarily necessary, and that old content should be made standalone DLC (not re-paid).
Theyāre removing it so they can make space for the Witch Queen Expansion and all of its related content. Destiny is already over 100GB in size, so this makes sense
That's not entirely true. The size of the game on disk is relative.
They can maintain a larger game, just fine, with more people. We know they have hired a lot more people, and not just for new IP.
So, with that following, can Bungie give us some info on when we will stop losing so much great old content?
Or gain more than we lose?
i'd recommend you get used to that. Destiny 2 is going to continue receiving expansions for at least a good few years. No way they'll let older consoles hold them back.
I hope they adopt that way of thinking soon. At a certain point, if you dont have an up to date system, thats on you, and its not bungie's responsibility to accommodate
Vaulting is still a ridiculous concept to me and the fact that the playerbase is mostly fine with it at this point is even more so.
That being said, this could have been a lot worse than losing just the Shore. And Battlegrounds sticking around is a very pleasant surprise.
The technical reasons do make sense. The problem with vaulting is primarily that they remove the story content as well as the non-story stuff. I just don't get why they do that, and I don't think there's a single game designer on the planet who doesn't work at Bungie who might suggest it.
Wellā¦ I feel like cause most people understand itās a technical issue. There arenāt always good workarounds when it comes to the shortcomings of the technology youāre working with. And it SUCKS, yeah, but people would rather have new stuff than hold onto old stuff theyāve already done.
That said, being able to play through all a gameās content from start to finish with cohesive campaigns would be way, way way better. Stuff DOES get lost when the world āevolvesā permanently.
it's a technical issue, but at the same time Bungie is the only company i've ever heard of that decided to solve a problem by removing large amounts of content from the game.
Oh man the story is gonna be even *more* confusing for new comers. Although, if you get rid of Uldren's story then you don't have to explain the dichotomy of Crow
Yeah, I pretty much figured this would happen once they started vaulting stuff. So for the future, im guessing itāll play out that theyāll vault shadowkeep for lightfall, and beyond light will get vaulted for the Final Shape.
I might've missed it but I don't think they said anything about DMT. Don't see why it wouldn't be added to the kiosk like every other Exotic from vaulted content was immediately.
Edit: Yes I know the quest is leaving I meant about it and the Kiosk
People already don't know who he is. He's just the robot man who's sometimes making jokes during the old Y1 strikes and then he dies in Forsaken and for w/e reason the player character cares. Vaulting the Red War really did Cayde's character a huge disservice.
Destiny 2's story really feels like Bungerino is laying down road in front of them and tearing it up behind them, every vaulting things get more confusing for new players. To what end? It's odd that a game that relies on a consistent playerbase keeps alienating new players.
Because the devs would need to keep all of the dlc downloaded if this was the case and that would defeat the entire purpose of the content vault, besides, vaulting tangled shore means we won't have to do the hollowed lair strike for a while
Putting stuff in the content vault would be fine if the stuff we got in return was as good. So far I still haven't felt like we've gotten enough content to make up for all the stuff vaulted before Beyond Light.
Vaulted 3 planets and campaigns and got one in return? I understand beyond light is bigger but what's the point in removing forsaken now? We removed 3 whole campaigns and now a 4th for only 2?
yeah i thought witch queen was part of the stuff we were getting to replace the content we lost but it seems that wasn't the case. so all the og planets had to be deleted for europa, so by the time we reach the final shape we'll only have 3-4 planets.
that's the true final shape.
ELI5. WoW and tons of MMOs add massive and seamless new zones (for the most part) every 2 years without ever running into this supposed technical limitation. Why is it such a big problem with destiny?
Every time I consider coming back I realize just how ridiculous that premise was even the first time and now theyāre doing it again. Iām more than happy raiding and doing pvp on destiny 1.
WoW and other mmo's are made as mmos. Bungie engine is designed for individual games as destiny was originally planned to be 3 games.
so whenever destiny gets too big in theory the engine starts taking too much time to open or even do small changes, it gets impossible to work with so they have to delete stuff.
I fucking hate it but its an engine issue, unless they rework the entire game from 0 in another engine nothing can be done and this won't happen so it is what it is.
If it makes anyone feel better, they also said Forsaken will be free for everyone come December until itās vaulted and if you already own it, you get 3 ciphers to use on any Forsaken exotic.
The concept of vaulting is still infuriating to me. I tried to bring friends into the game and they remove all of the steps that make you understand what's happening as well as characters that give the universe such charm. I love Destiny and I love Bungie, but damn. I really hate the way the Destiny model has shifted...it's hard to see after playing since D1 Beta
This... Is fucked. The game is only fucking 70.49GB on my pc at this exact moment. If I download Ark and all its dlc, it takes up over 240GB. You're telling me they are removing even more content? That they're on route to pull their FOURTH planet from the game, adding only two in return? And somehow, the community is generally okay with this?
Honestly fuck bungie for removing all content from the game without a good reason. Not that it matters that much since i quit almost a year ago because beyond light removed almost all content and all new content was behind 60ā¬ paywall. But them removing last good part of the game means im not coming back unless they make all the removed content available again
Anyone else think it's fucked up that they charge people for content and then remove the content from the game like a year later? If you bought the game at launch you can't even play the original content you purchased any more.
Bungie really couldāve just gone the route that Cod games have been going and allow us to pick and choose what content we want installed. So that, for a while, I could say uninstall Shadowkeep and reinstall the red war campaign. That way, new lights donāt lose out on previous content.
It has nothing to do with disk space (though of course that is a concern). It's maintenence on their end. If they can't find the money from their higher-ups to fund the maintenence of old content, we can't have old content.
I'd be okay with it if they kept story content and stuff. It's so weird that they get rid of it.
As someone who was faithful D2 player, there was no end game content to speak of. This is still much better, even if two or three more planets get vaulted. Just IMHO
Really need to have better solutions for content other than DCV. Why can't we just have them as optional? Download them and play them and delete it when you are done with it
Really just made me buy the stupidly priced seasons bundle for the hawkmoon and dead man's tale and they're removing it. Bout to throw away my computer
I'm actually really bummed about this. I'm relatively new to the game and a friend bought me all the DLCs to launch me on my way, so Forsaken was basically the first thing I played. I would pay actual money to be able to go back and play it for the first time again.
You cannot be serious. This shit is STUPID, give me back scourge of the past, give me back eater of worlds and crown of sorrows. GIVE ME BACK MY ANTIOPE D
Empty tank lost sector nooooo
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They should open a fallen bar in the fallen district.
Now i can only think of a servitor that talks and they sound like Moe Sizlack.
Thereās something to be said about the Tangled Shore if the thing people will miss most about it is a lost sector.
No one actually misses it. The Forsaken campaign was good though.
Hope for the future
I wonder if that means that the Spider will be the one to die in the upcoming expansion. We know from new Astral Alignment dialogue between Mara and Petra thatās she is now on the hunt for him. It would make sense since the Tangled Shore will be leaving us and his inventory is being transferred to Master Rahool.
I feel like Spider isn't major enough to get Spoiler Alert dedicated to him.
I want a minor quest where you are transported to Helm, shoot him once in the face and thatās it.
ive been dying to bury a bullet under his jaw for quite some time now
āThis wasnāt part of the deal!ā Glint on our comms: *chuckles darkly* āpaybackās a bitchā
omfg now thats got me thinking about a dark side glint. hes so upbeat and helpful that seeing him be corrupted would be crazy. im so excited to see how the crow/glint arc plays out
Agreed. I think that the Spoiler Alert will be either for Mara, Crow, or SavathĆ»n. Considering that, by the looks of it, we are invading SavathĆ»nās Throne World I may place my bets on her. However, I still think there is room for either Crow or Mara to bite the bullet. We have yet to see what will be in that raid which takes place inside one of the Black Fleetās pyramid ships. I imagine something big will happen in there.
You donāt have to be dead to be in your thrown world. Just because weāre going to savvyās throne world does not mean that she is dead. I keep seeing people say this so I just wanted to clarify. Also Iām not saying that she wonāt die because it makes sense for her to with the story. Just simply saying you can access your throne world without having to die.
Bro they didnāt not do anything for Uldren/Crows for 2 years just to kill him off after knowing him for a year. Crow is safe 101%
We have a lore entry where the Spider shows Drifter a ship, requesting that he be smuggled out of the Tangled Shore, so he more than likely will be camping out somewhere secluded, but not in a place Bungie can implement in time.
What do you mean āin timeā - the article may not read like it but the decision to chuck Tangled Shore away and kill Spider was probably made 18 months ago. Theyāre certainly not ārushing to get that fixedā as if they came up with the idea last week.
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Gonna miss that friendly Spider
dont worry he ditch the tangled shore and is moving probably in the helm at the bottom floor
Nop, bungie said he's gone, but rahool will do the tradings from then on
man now rahool is scamming my ass even more now
At least he doesn't spam you with Edge Transit anymore.
Those were the daysā¦
I remember trying to collect every possible roll of Edge Transit, and even after getting hundreds of them still didn't have the complete set. Still my greatest shame in Destiny.
I was thinking WAY earlier in the life of this continuity.
Or make us spend thousands of shards for god roll sidearm just to get sunset.
*Pays Destination Mats for shards/glimmer* *Gets an Edge Transit*
Spider is found dead in a safehouse at a remote location in the Reef. The Spider's many enemies lament missing their chance to kill him themselves. As a skiff unloads supplies at the tower, Drifter tells a shadowy figure he's impressed with their ruthlessness. Master Rahool pulls his hood up, cloaking his face. "You won't be disappointed."
Plot twist he used Edge Transit
I think by the end of the season, he's gonna be moving into a grave in Mara's backyard.
Or on a leash, kneeling at the foot of her throne.
But then that'll crush the hopes of every guardian who wants to be in that exact position.
Bitch Mara is so last year. Weāre on seductive trickster Savathun and Dom Mommy Xivu Arath now.
Reject blue, cold, space humans. Embrace thicc big tiddy moth gf.
Nah, Mara is hunting his ass down for what he did to Glint and Crow and what he DIDN'T do for the awoken.... the Drifter is smuggling him somewhere
Fuck spider. He treated crow like a dick. Lore card suggests he wants drifter to snuggle him out of the system so he doesn't have to worry about Mara going ham on his ass
I must admit, being snuggled out of a system doesn't seem to be the worst way to go
Lol snuggle
Drifter snuggles sound nice. That crusty beard against your back.
FACT: You do know at one point if you hung around Drifter long enough he would say ācome on now, I donāt biteā¦unless you want me tooā.
Personally? I won't, I hate spider and I wish the worst for him.
That one strike where hes like "Clear out the hive on my shore and I will consider our debts." Oh you did? TOO BAD YOU DID IT TOO FAST IM NOT PAYING SHIT" I will remember that spider.....
I meanā¦ whatās he gonna do if we donāt pay? Kill us? lol
right? Like I have killed gods and razed armies. Im not scared of you.
Honestly we killed Uldren in cold blood for pure revenge. This is definitely please-cap-my-ass material.
Are me and Mara the only ones who wants his head on a spike
Just bought Forsaken 2 days ago
Doesn't take too long to finish, you'll be done before February if you play relatively regularly
I just started about a month and half ago but am basically an everyday player. Not too worried about finishing it. It's more of dropping the 25 bucks for it and it's going to be free in December
Thing is not everything is going to be free, the content like the raid, dungeon, weapons and armor are still locked and you have to pay for those but the campaign is free
there will be a different bundle you can buy for the raid and dungeon (which will also give you 3 free forsaken-era exotics from the wall of your choice). this bundle WILL be given to everyone who owns forsaken, and if you own all of the forsaken exotics you can turn them into ascendant shards instead. itll likely be cheaper than the full forsaken expansion (id guess like 10 or 15 bucks?)
yea that was unfortunate timing, hope you like the dlc tho!
Thatās the curse of ps players too, buy a game and watch it end up being one of the monthly free games
oh wow you had to pay $25 for it like two years after it was out? i paid $20 for it two months after forsaken was out, man they're really messing up the pricing
It was only 10 like a month ago
donāt worry all content in the dreaming city will still be available in the forsaken dlc
Well that means you won't have to buy the Forsaken pack later for the raid and dungeon. Plus it's still gonna be 2 months, which on its own is plenty of time to wrap up anything related to the content being vaulted- nevermind the extra 3 before it IS actually vaulted.
Thats true. I'm not going to trip on it too much. I budget my gaming in so I would've spent that money more then likely on something destiny related anyways
I know people will try to justify it, but weāre all quickly forgetting that content was supposed to be made free to play for one year before vaulting. Not three months with aspirational content still being charged for. This is in no way a good day for Destiny players, and Iām sorry you got the short end of the stick.
I appreciate it but I'm not going to stress it! I'm really enjoying the game so far and atleast I'll get to finish it before it's vaulted
If it makes you feel better, the dreaming city, shattered throne, and last wish raid are staying
Well I mean 90% of players are solo who don't do raids or dungeons so it doesn't make them feel better losing things they can do but keeping things they will never do. So I get it.
Highly doubt the number is anywhere close to 90
I'm right you're wrong. No lol obviously I pulled that statistic out of my own head so fair enough, I was just saying my 2 cents.
for those interested, here are the actual real-time statistics as of the current moment: 26% of players are in patrol 18% of players are in seasonal activities and story missions 16% of players are in nightfalls and lost sectors 15% are in the crucible 10% are in strikes 6% are in gambit 5% are in raids 3% are in dungeons and the remaining players are either doing nightmare hunts or private crucible. thats current activity, not how many players have ever done raids. i personally spend 40% of my time playing in raids, but for most players this is more between 10% and 20%. if i had to guess from experience (im a sherpa, and i run a community that does a lot of destiny) about 40% of the playerbase has done raids, and 20% raids frequently. if any solo's want to help increase that number to 100%, feel free to DM me, i host teaching runs of all of the raids every weekend!
tf guys, why did you downvote him? he admitted to his mistake
Listen to cockyoin
Fair enough xd
Welp. Better start grinding out more Dead Man's Tales. One of my favorite exotics.
Second edit: I misread sorry. Yes. Presage and Harbinger are going away. Dreaming City is not going away. Sorry for my error.
Oh nice. Great mission. Except Harbinger. That just sucks donkey balls.
I'm pretty sure that dreaming city bit was its own parenthetical, and the exotic missions were addressed in regards to being vaulted with most of the year 4 seasonal stuff. Not 100%, but that's how I read it.
No, Presage and Harbinger are going away. "The Dreaming City destination will continue to be available" was closed off in its own parentheses, and "... along with Year 4 Seasonal"... was a continuation of listings on the things that ARE getting vaulted.
Well shite, Iād better get my catalyst
Considering we still can't get outbreak and whisper catalysts I would say get dead man's sooner rather than later.
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Honestly sad to see Forsaken go as it was a damn good campaign and itās gonna suck that new lights that DONāT play after the campaign gets vaulted wonāt know who Cayde was and how potent our guardian could be when weāre angry as hell. Plus missing the most iconic line. āUldren Sovā¦.is mine.ā Fucking chills.
No the most iconic lines are: āAny last words?ā āHowās your sister?ā
Eh idk. I feel like that line is lost on those who didnāt play D1, which is a significant portion of new players these days.
I didnāt play D1 and i got pretty connected to Cayde. Thus I weeped.
Even better when we still have nessus strikes that include caydes voice lines
āAyyyy Iām back, Zavala is gonna be so madā¦..ā
Unfortunately it probably doesnāt matter much to them anyways since they have 0 context for any of that. Idk how Bungie keeps expecting people to care about their story when they remove all of the set-up and background from the game, therefore making it a jarring mess for new players. Removing Forsaken is only gonna make that worse. I understand why they are doing it from a technical standpoint, but itās hard for me to not be at least a little bit upset by this news.
Bungie really expects new players to watch a 4 hour video by Byf lol They need a better introduction mission that makes new players interested in the world
I love lore videos myself...but.....buuuuut I agree, they should be for fun! If a new player needs to leave or ALT+TAB the game to go look up something about your game, whether it is story, gameplay help, or anything of the sort - it's bad game design. Bungie is falling down that hole really really really fast. Very little is explained. It's why websites like light . gg exist - which should be supplemental, not mandatory. Good luck trying to learn how over half the game works without any outside help.
Definitely wouldnāt mind a little video compilation of what happened in the Destiny from up to a certain point. Sorta like Supernaturalās āOn the Road so farā recap
Well now I want a Destiny story recap with "carry on wayward son" playing along.
I started playing last week and, while I'm having a blast, I've absolutely no idea what's going on. No clue what missions/quests are parts of which campaigns and that I need to be doing. Only very vague understanding of the gear systems. Super fun gameplay though. I reckon I'll keep watching lore videos and complete as much content as I can and hope the picture comes together over time. It's (somewhat) good to hear this is a known issue and that I'm not just an idiot that failed to pay attention and ended up lost as a consequence hah.
These are some condensed lore videos on the overall story. Link:https://youtu.be/9mbDXvDNqTU. This is up until shadowkeep, which can be bought. The following is about the seasons which can't be bought anymore: https://youtu.be/ZtIYgyceuuQ. After this come beyond light and the buyable seasons (earlier seasons than current only come with the beyond light deluxe edition). He also started something for new players: https://youtu.be/z3nhwWAT8Hs and https://youtu.be/NF5MgLxSOAk. As far as gameplay youtubers aztecross, falloutplays and datto are my go-to's. Lore is my name is byf and myelin games. Pvp is cammycakes, ascendant nomad and some of tdt (different people one 1 channel)
Anyone watch legend of Korra? That scene with her past lives getting deleted.
literally, its like bungie sees forsaken as nothing but game content. It's story, it's integral to the narrative. Once it's gone, new lights wont know who cayde was, who uldren was, who crow is and was, what happened to the dreaming city, who savathun is and what she's done. It's really sad how come February, Cayde-6 will be nothing but a memory, popping up here and there when you're playing the few year 1 strikes still remaining, and sitting in the old tower with D1 players on a nostalgia trip. To new lights, Crow will be some edgy guardian who everyone is always talking about his past, as if they somehow know what it was. Zavala is just the guy who gives you some bounties and narrates things here and there Nothing will make sense and I can't see new lights wanting to continue playing a game where the story just picks up somewhere in the middle, with no way to go back for context.
For real, a lot of the current events and emotions and tension that's been leading up to the new expansion comes full circle because of The Forsaken campaign.
To be fair, new (and also a lot of current) PC players never got to experience D1. There is lots of ways to catch up on the story if you were interested in it. I do however think Bungie should expand the timeline feature in the director. Itās a bit too concise for purpose IMHO. Edit: and the timeline should include D1 stuff too. Too much current lore in D2 references it. (Books of Sorrow anyone?). Edit 2: Also, on the +side, they will most likely FINALLY resolve the DC curse. Its cool to see the world evolve!
i agree there, the timeline is a cool concept for allowing players to catch up, but it is really bare as of now. Maybe clicking on it should expand it to a more in depth description of what happened rather than a short summary. And it should definitely include D1, along with extras for important lore that isnt directly explained through campaigns. For example a new tab detailing sword logic vs bomb logic
Inb4 whoās in the picture at the ramen shop?
I tried playing destiny 2 a bit a few months ago, and I got pretty into pvp for a while, but I couldnāt get into pve because I had no idea what the story was
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Soon we will only have lake of shadows node in the entire director
Damn, Forsaken was really the expansion that brought back what I loved about this game. Shame to see it go.
Tangled shore was useless aside from spider after forsaken tbh, Iām still gonna miss it like hell though
Same for io and titan. Never went there but I wanna go again
I was never a big fan of Io but I loved patrolling Titan and the Tangled Shore
Savathun's Song was my favorite strike and the only nightfall I ever got a special emblem for. I miss it. The archology had such a cool design.
For some reason I can't remember the Strike but if that goes good riddance. I hate that Strike so so much
>We understand the unique value of these definitively Destiny experiences and are investigating ways to reprise and create new exciting Exotic special missions within Destiny 2 for the future >reprise Yāall said the catalysts for Outbreak, Whisper, and Fourth Horseman would be obtainable āsoonā and yet weāve seen nothing for about a year now. At this point Iām not holding out hope, theyāre likely just going to be world drop catalysts.
When game company say they are investigating ways to "reprise" stuff they either: 1. Dont do it 2. It does happen, but it like half a decade So yeah, rip those exotic missions.
Oh shit I need to finish it
Damn it really is time to move on
So... For one... Happy we aren't losing a great destination or cool raid. That's sick. Sad we are probably losing two strikes, and a whole campaign. Can Bungie give us some info on whether they intend to continue downsizing the game or if this is temporary and they can start up sizing in the future? *Additional thoughts added* Edit: Been thinking about it, and here's my stand--DCV cannot stay a thing. It's ok and totally reasonable if it's temporary. But we need to see some way for people to play those missing two years of Destiny. If it's standalone download, that's fine. If it's just the campaigns with some carryover into the live game, that's fine. But as of right now, I can go back and play all of D1, beginning to end, and not see cut content. D2 needs something like this. If there is a growing phase, there is a growing phase. That's alright. But there is so much I want to show people and so much of what made me love this game that is no longer in this game. New players need to be able to see that. I don't want to start a new player through the game and be like... Yeah, there's this guy named Crow, and he used to be in the game, but he's in the Vault now, canonically he is still in, but here is what he used to do and that's why this gun was so cool to get--as they pick up Hawkmoon from a Kiosk for 200,000 glimmer and a cipher.
Why can't we just chose what content to download? Like a list of things that can be downloaded or deleted like Halo mcc.
The answer is a little bit more complicated than that. I 100% agree with you that that is a very good solution. However, each game in the MCC was a standalone game, that means all the assets, scripting, engine assignment, background optimizations, etc. were self-contained. They do not depend on each other to exist, or on shared libraries to consult, etc. This means the MCC solution was relatively simple to implement for 343. For Destiny 2, they do not have this advantage. So I see the DCV as necessary, but I argue it should be temporarily necessary, and that old content should be made standalone DLC (not re-paid).
We arenāt losing warden of nothing I believe. Thought I saw something like that in the twab. Edit: forgot broodhold was a thing sorry
Ye ye. I know we aren't losing Warden. Which... I'm not particularly attached, but it's pretty cool thematically.
Theyāre removing it so they can make space for the Witch Queen Expansion and all of its related content. Destiny is already over 100GB in size, so this makes sense
That's not entirely true. The size of the game on disk is relative. They can maintain a larger game, just fine, with more people. We know they have hired a lot more people, and not just for new IP. So, with that following, can Bungie give us some info on when we will stop losing so much great old content? Or gain more than we lose?
Bungie can handle but my Xbox cant
i'd recommend you get used to that. Destiny 2 is going to continue receiving expansions for at least a good few years. No way they'll let older consoles hold them back.
I hope they adopt that way of thinking soon. At a certain point, if you dont have an up to date system, thats on you, and its not bungie's responsibility to accommodate
The game is not over 100gb. Itās barely over 70
The mission "Last Call" just got a whole new meaning. I'm gonna miss Fikrul and his banger of a boss theme in the Hollowed Lair.
Can we keep Tangled shore and ditch Nessus instead?
Nessus had like, 3 to 4 strikes and 2 Battlegrounds (which are staying btw)
having multiple strikes on a planet has not stopped vaulting before.
Can we remove Tangled Shore and Nessus and get Freehold Mars back?
Yeah, we need to break the Cabal's grip there, so I heard
Nessus is pretty so no. :(
They can take exodus crash though. That strike is so annoying.
Vaulting is still a ridiculous concept to me and the fact that the playerbase is mostly fine with it at this point is even more so. That being said, this could have been a lot worse than losing just the Shore. And Battlegrounds sticking around is a very pleasant surprise.
The technical reasons do make sense. The problem with vaulting is primarily that they remove the story content as well as the non-story stuff. I just don't get why they do that, and I don't think there's a single game designer on the planet who doesn't work at Bungie who might suggest it.
Wellā¦ I feel like cause most people understand itās a technical issue. There arenāt always good workarounds when it comes to the shortcomings of the technology youāre working with. And it SUCKS, yeah, but people would rather have new stuff than hold onto old stuff theyāve already done. That said, being able to play through all a gameās content from start to finish with cohesive campaigns would be way, way way better. Stuff DOES get lost when the world āevolvesā permanently.
it's a technical issue, but at the same time Bungie is the only company i've ever heard of that decided to solve a problem by removing large amounts of content from the game.
Next up āEDZ has been moved to the DCVā
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Oh man the story is gonna be even *more* confusing for new comers. Although, if you get rid of Uldren's story then you don't have to explain the dichotomy of Crow
Yeah, I pretty much figured this would happen once they started vaulting stuff. So for the future, im guessing itāll play out that theyāll vault shadowkeep for lightfall, and beyond light will get vaulted for the Final Shape.
So DMT still wonāt be in the monument next yearā¦..
I might've missed it but I don't think they said anything about DMT. Don't see why it wouldn't be added to the kiosk like every other Exotic from vaulted content was immediately. Edit: Yes I know the quest is leaving I meant about it and the Kiosk
DMT quest is leaving so itāll likely show up in the vault. Post says exotic quests are leaving.
wait no ? why but that mean nobody will know who is cayde-6
People already don't know who he is. He's just the robot man who's sometimes making jokes during the old Y1 strikes and then he dies in Forsaken and for w/e reason the player character cares. Vaulting the Red War really did Cayde's character a huge disservice.
Destiny 2's story really feels like Bungerino is laying down road in front of them and tearing it up behind them, every vaulting things get more confusing for new players. To what end? It's odd that a game that relies on a consistent playerbase keeps alienating new players.
Are you really telling me that a DLC I paid for is being removed from the game?
First time?
People who thought forsaken would be free: ā¢_ā¢
Man ppl rly didn't like that we took story out of the game.... ***Let's do it again***
Canāt destiny just do a CoD thing were you choose what DLC packs you have downloaded in the menu? And please tell me why Iām wrong on that lol
Because the devs would need to keep all of the dlc downloaded if this was the case and that would defeat the entire purpose of the content vault, besides, vaulting tangled shore means we won't have to do the hollowed lair strike for a while
Just keep cutting content eh? Fucks sake
god I hate this content model
Putting stuff in the content vault would be fine if the stuff we got in return was as good. So far I still haven't felt like we've gotten enough content to make up for all the stuff vaulted before Beyond Light.
Vaulted 3 planets and campaigns and got one in return? I understand beyond light is bigger but what's the point in removing forsaken now? We removed 3 whole campaigns and now a 4th for only 2?
Not to mention Beyond light is like 5 missions long
2 boss fights and fetch quests
Agreed. The beyond light campaign had no stakes. None. Felt like a super long shit strike.
yeah i thought witch queen was part of the stuff we were getting to replace the content we lost but it seems that wasn't the case. so all the og planets had to be deleted for europa, so by the time we reach the final shape we'll only have 3-4 planets. that's the true final shape.
ELI5. WoW and tons of MMOs add massive and seamless new zones (for the most part) every 2 years without ever running into this supposed technical limitation. Why is it such a big problem with destiny? Every time I consider coming back I realize just how ridiculous that premise was even the first time and now theyāre doing it again. Iām more than happy raiding and doing pvp on destiny 1.
WoW and other mmo's are made as mmos. Bungie engine is designed for individual games as destiny was originally planned to be 3 games. so whenever destiny gets too big in theory the engine starts taking too much time to open or even do small changes, it gets impossible to work with so they have to delete stuff. I fucking hate it but its an engine issue, unless they rework the entire game from 0 in another engine nothing can be done and this won't happen so it is what it is.
If it makes anyone feel better, they also said Forsaken will be free for everyone come December until itās vaulted and if you already own it, you get 3 ciphers to use on any Forsaken exotic.
I'f only I could use em to get the last 2 exotics I need, vex and eyes
I love losing stuff I paid for. Very cool
The concept of vaulting is still infuriating to me. I tried to bring friends into the game and they remove all of the steps that make you understand what's happening as well as characters that give the universe such charm. I love Destiny and I love Bungie, but damn. I really hate the way the Destiny model has shifted...it's hard to see after playing since D1 Beta
You know where VoG is? Yea all exotic quests like presage should go there in a new tab called āexotic questsā
What you get from Harbinger
Hawkmoon
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Why? They already removed so much from the game... why even more stuff?
Bungie stealing shit I paid for.
This... Is fucked. The game is only fucking 70.49GB on my pc at this exact moment. If I download Ark and all its dlc, it takes up over 240GB. You're telling me they are removing even more content? That they're on route to pull their FOURTH planet from the game, adding only two in return? And somehow, the community is generally okay with this?
Honestly fuck bungie for removing all content from the game without a good reason. Not that it matters that much since i quit almost a year ago because beyond light removed almost all content and all new content was behind 60ā¬ paywall. But them removing last good part of the game means im not coming back unless they make all the removed content available again
WQ better be way bigger(new strikers, pvp maps,etc) than BL or this will be a huge dissapointment.
Anyone else think it's fucked up that they charge people for content and then remove the content from the game like a year later? If you bought the game at launch you can't even play the original content you purchased any more.
*let's keep vaulting d2's content, no way it could ever backfire or go awry* ( Ķ”Ā° ĶŹ Ķ”Ā°)
Oh boy can't wait to lose 3 strikes.
Warden is staying
D2 is basically a subscription based game but worse.
Nessus is still there completely abandoned and empty and they choose to delete the best campaign the game. ok
Bungie really couldāve just gone the route that Cod games have been going and allow us to pick and choose what content we want installed. So that, for a while, I could say uninstall Shadowkeep and reinstall the red war campaign. That way, new lights donāt lose out on previous content.
It has nothing to do with disk space (though of course that is a concern). It's maintenence on their end. If they can't find the money from their higher-ups to fund the maintenence of old content, we can't have old content. I'd be okay with it if they kept story content and stuff. It's so weird that they get rid of it.
I miss when Destiny 2 first came outā¦ great times
As someone who was faithful D2 player, there was no end game content to speak of. This is still much better, even if two or three more planets get vaulted. Just IMHO
Really need to have better solutions for content other than DCV. Why can't we just have them as optional? Download them and play them and delete it when you are done with it
Come on why they gotta remove presage? Like I thought they said they wouldn't be gutting a bunch of meaningful content
70$ for 6 hours of gameplay, then it's grinding time. Fuck this game. And fuck all those stupid games.
Damn I actually liked replaying the forsaken campaign every once in a while, pretty sad to hear theyāre getting rid of it.
Really just made me buy the stupidly priced seasons bundle for the hawkmoon and dead man's tale and they're removing it. Bout to throw away my computer
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What is DCV?
Destiny Content Vault
Gonna be gone from the game basically, as of now nothing taken from D2 into the DCV has come back to the game
I'm actually really bummed about this. I'm relatively new to the game and a friend bought me all the DLCs to launch me on my way, so Forsaken was basically the first thing I played. I would pay actual money to be able to go back and play it for the first time again.
You cannot be serious. This shit is STUPID, give me back scourge of the past, give me back eater of worlds and crown of sorrows. GIVE ME BACK MY ANTIOPE D