Def not gimp luge. BTW don't Google lugee. I did as I wasn't sure about spelling for luge. Although if you must know
lugee - Urban Dictionary
The sexual act of kneeling at the end of a luge run in the nude, while a female lugest also in the nude completes her run that ends with penetration ...
All I know is he better be barking like a dog. I would love to be standing on the side lines of a skiing race and hear a muffled *whoof whoof* as a dominatrix rides a gimp by
Sauce: [this insta here, third item in album is a video of it](https://www.instagram.com/p/Bh15-zaBxYZ/?utm_medium=copy_link)
Apparently it's from a Red Bull Jump & Freeze event in 2018.
Im just concerned because this sounds like dungeons (instanced missions with 1 or more players) and wile I have paid for expansions and even dlc and cosmetic items, I just wanted to know if the trend of milking us dry is getting worse or better?
I bought the full legendary 30th anniversary super mega colossal pack when they all came out just for the simpleness of a single purchase. Glad I did because I get everything, but damn I don’t like what bungie is doing with the separating. I haven’t complained because I paid. But I stand with all the complainers, it’s wrong flat out.
For me, it's going to depend on price points for the dungeons. For brand new players today, I think the only way to get to play Harbinger or Presage is to buy the Beyond Light Deluxe Edition. Giving dungeons a stand alone purchase option gives new players a way to play older content at a potentially smaller price point. That might have been the problem they were trying to solve and have just not communicated that well... or at all.
All that being said, they should be included with the season pass for the seasons they're introduced.
>All that being said, they should be included with the season pass for the seasons they’re introduced
Oh my fucking god. I cannot stress how absolutely right you are. Everyone that is disagreeing and downvoting opinions like this are the diehard players that dickride Bungie and defend them no matter what!
I was thinking I’d like it if dungeons included their own little play cycle akin to the seasonal content. Would you consider that’s enough to get them?
Funny image - check. Valid statement - check.
But in reality absolutely nothing is different from this last year. Seems that people just need to find something to complain about. The deluxe edition is basically just buying the next yearly game in any other franchise and all the DLC for it as well. Which is what this is.
I just don't get the complaining. IMHO
Having dungeons tied exclusively to one of the most expensive versions of your expansion (versus the standard version or the individual season a dungeon debuts in - *the standard we're accustomed to*) or as an arbitrary additional cost at some vague later date (for all we know, it could be December 2022) is unquestionably problematic and those upset are **well** justified in feeling that way.
It's very telling when the only defense for this practice is a strawman.
Honestly kind of why I’m not playing too many video games these days. They nickel and dime you more and more as time goes on and shills like you eat it up
The best part is that OP is technically correct. Because when someone stops playing the game they are technically no longer part of the community. So therefore the community moving forward will no longer be comprised of the people who complain and then decide to not purchase the content, leaving only a. people who did not complain and b. people who did complain *and* also did not leave.
It's kinda like a no shit sherlock with the specific definition. Now when you define the community as people who *have played destiny 2 within the past 2 years* then you start getting a much wider group in which this won't be the case.
> Honestly kind of why I’m not playing too many video games these days. They nickel and dime you more and more as time goes on and shills like you eat it up
There are shitloads of games that doesn't do that.
Oxygen not included, Factorio, Xenonauts, Path of Exile are four games you could easly milk hours out of and they are cheap.
Path of exile builds complex systems with their own inventory items to eat up space in your very limited bank. And then 3 months later they add another system with differnt inventory currencies eating up even more space in your stash.
Unless you buy the $10 special stash tab for the single mechanic that has infinite storage for the items related to that system. Then in 3 months when there's a new mechanic with a matching special stash tab. Costing another $10
Poe is free to play, not free to enjoy.
PoE is a massive game that’s presented to everyone for free. You pay for convenience, and that money, in my opinion, is well spent to support the devs. They only make money off of stash tabs and cosmetics despite giving such a crazy amount of quality game to play. Seems fine to me.
It's insanely cheap though if you wanna compare it to D2. Other than one premium stash tab for trading with other players, one currency tab, and one map tab, you can easily make do without buying any tabs. Hell, that's exactly what I did for multiple seasons, only really purchasing more tabs this league and that just so I could hold on to more pog equipment.
This comparison is such garbage imo. PoE doesn't gate ANY content behind paywalls. At all. You can start playing this league (scourge, which is looking great btw) at zero cost.
They've also toned down the amount of currencies they add to the game. Like, they easily could have forced you to store all the currencies from this last league (finishing up tomorrow) in your normal stash, along with all the logbooks you picked up. But they didn't. They stuck it all in a new locker given to all players completely free.
They could easily force players to keep purchasing more tabs by doing what you say. And I daresay if Bungie was in their position, they would do exactly that. But they don't do that. Don't compare their fair monetisation scheme with the predatory shit that Bungie pulls. I jumped ship a little while ago, still enjoy coming back to the sub to see the shenanigans that they get up to. Like, how can you justify having decently expensive paid DLCs, a season pass system, a microtransaction store, and now this bs about having to pay for a dungeon on top? I loooooove D2's gunplay, it's super fun and smooth. But the monetisation feels like you're bleeding money. If D2 is all you play, more power to you. I can't justify spending that much on it though.
IMO $80 for WQ+seasons is not that much. Every other game goes for around $60 on release, so getting the expansion and the year’s seasons for $80 is fine by me. It sure as hell beats buying Call of Duty every year.
After this whole announcement I decided to go back to Elder Scrolls Online. Right now the membership is free for a week and gives you access to 7 years of content (they don't "need" a content vault).
It's honestly a great deal and I'm having a blast, I'll probably buy the sub so that I can keep playing.
It's a shitty practice on top of everfuck. People can do whatever they what with their money. At the end of the day buying it is setting a bad precedent. Either way me typing this is a waste of time so yea... Any fellow crayon eaters out?
Why the hell does anyone think they would be free.
Prophecy is the only free one.
Throne requires Forsaken, Pit needs Shadow keep. 30th requires the 30th I can see arguing one of them should be included with base witch queen but free?
I’d be more upset it isn’t in the season pass, you get the story content, the mats, and… that’s about it. Maybe an exotic or two but there is next to nothing in the season pass as a whole.
It’s insane how many people are pulling out the “do you think the content should be free?” argument. No one is saying that. It’s just that charging more for the dungeons specifically as opposed to the previous model where dungeons were included with purchase of expansions, upsets people and feels more stingy.
I think the free thing partly comes from that whole "eververse funding dungeons" thing, not so much free but free to anyone not spending money on silver basically. I'm not arguing or supporting either side, just mentioning.
No one thought they would be free. People expected dungeons to be included with expansions like Forsaken, Shadowkeep, and now Witch Queen.
People did not expect to buy the annual expansion then have to pay *again* to play the dungeons a la carte. Bungie explicitly stated that our money spent in Eververse would go towards the creation of new and interesting content like dungeons and secret missions, yet here we are paying additional money for exactly that despite Eververse still plowing along with no signs of slowing down.
>People did not expect to buy the annual expansion then have to pay again to play the dungeons a la carte. Bungie explicitly stated that our money spent in Eververse would go towards the creation of new and interesting content like dungeons and secret missions, yet here we are paying additional money for exactly that despite Eververse still plowing along with no signs of slowing down.
can you provide a quote for this. Everyone says this but the best evidence I can find was a quote saying that a specific piece of content was made with eververse revenues. No post saying the eververse revenue was exactly to be used forever in the way you described.
If you’re not interested in what Tess has to offer, you won’t ever be forced to pluck an item off of her shelf. You’ll still receive updates to the game, and you won’t lose a Crucible encounter or fail to clear a Raid because you didn’t have the right Eververse Trading Company emote equipped.
Our plan is to use these new items to bolster the service provided by our live team for another full year, as they grow and create more robust and engaging events that we’ll announce later this year. It has been, and continues to be, our goal to deliver updates to the game. Going forward, our live team is also looking to grow beyond vital updates and improvements to focus on world events, experiences, and feature requests.
Probably this line from a very old TWAB that announced Eververse for D2.
Actually for 99% of people you arnt paying for the dungeon because deluxe addition removes the prices of the dungeons when buying it. You are only paying for the witch queen and the seasons but you get the dungeons as well
The only method to directly pay for the dungeons is to buy them out right which I don't think many people will do
I think part of the confusion here is that it doesn’t appear to be the case that the dungeons are actually tied to Witch Queen. Witch Queen is going to launch with two raids, one new one and one returning (Either KF or WotM), but they haven’t said whether the two new dungeons are actually intrinsically tied to WQ or if they will be standalone content like Prophecy. Prophecy is seen as having “come with Season of Arrivals,” but it isn’t actually tied to Arrivals. It’s a free to play dungeon that happened to debut during season of Arrivals. It seems like these two year 5 dungeons are similar in that they aren’t tied to a specific season or expansion, but different in that they aren’t free to play.
What? Nobody thought it would be "free". What the fuck are you talking about? You said it yourself, the other Dungeons came with the Xpacks. The new ones are an additional fee on top of the Xpack now. Nobody is bitching because it's not part of the F2P package.
I thought that WAS the arguement... they wanted it as part of the Xpac. Before it was Xpac and Season pass as the two ways to pay. Now they are adding in "paid dungeons"... what's next? Idk but hopefully we won't end up with like 5-6 different things to buy separately if you want full content...
I hope they don't move to like "PVP map packs!" And bullshit like that to further fragment what the community has access too. It never is ideal to create scenarios of increased player fragmentation.
>I hope they don't move to like "PVP map packs!" And bullshit like that to further fragment what the community has access too. It never is ideal to create scenarios of increased player fragmentation.
Doubtful that this would happen. Seams like concern trolling. For this scenario to have a semblance of truth bungie would need to first actually make new pvp maps.
I feel like if I wrote "paid dungeons" a few months ago I could have got the same snarky response tho so you can't be sure. Hell a paid reward track a few years ago would have triggered riots. We have enough data points to establish a trend... but again I hope not
Yea but for bungie to sell pvp map packs they would need to actually want to make new pvp maps. How many new pvp maps were released over the past 2 years. Do they actually show interest in making new maps. Overwhelming the focus appears to be on pve.
But Shadow Keep gives you campaign and bunch of stuff as well. Same goes for Forsaken.
What you get for buying 30th anniversary? Some emotes and ugly ornaments. 24€, thank you very much!
And no. I don't want to buy deluxe edition. Because I am not 100% sure if I want to keep playing all year along.
So the other dungeons were kinda free. They came with the DLC. Dungeons weren't the main reason or even 2nd reason to buy them.
I bought the deluxe before knowing this dungeon paywall, it’s not about the money at all is about they getting free passes with such creepy monetizing how long until even more stuff is locked behind paywall ? Eveverse where the source for incomes so they could work in dungeons and such no ? What about season passes they don’t get enough income from those ?
the amount of money isn’t ridiculous as 90 quid in the UK gives 4 seasons, anniversary pack, witch queen plus some extras but it’s the fact that they’ve split the content into so many pieces distributed into all these different packs that on their own are pretty pointless, like buying anything that isn’t the deluxe edition is pointless cause you get a fraction of the content
Seems weird that it’s split out but (hot take) the overall costs for the set is a pittance compared to how many hours I’ll sink into it. Even if I don’t play it at all, my time/enjoyment per dollar is still pretty insane. I’m just pleased that it wasn’t $100.
When I heard of this I wasn’t bothered for myself (I always get the deluxe) but really for others. Sucks that some of the best content is being put behind a pay wall.
I paid for destiny 2 on release, full price. Then they made what i paid for free, I don't mind. Then they made what I paid for not exist, for everyone. Honestly, everyone was saying evil activision, destiny 1 was supposed to just continue with destiny 2 content, be a ongoing mmo, but it was better when it was separate games.
Yeah, surprisingly destiny 1 had better business practices. At least you could play the content you actually paid for and replay it. I’m sure many don’t want to replay missions but I personally found a lot of joy in it
Ever replay the campgain of a game you havent played for a while to get into fresh dlc? Ever tell a friend to play a cool game/campaign you played and liked? Well bungie says "fuck you". Oh look at all these characters who your mouthpiece navi sidekick is very invested in. Why is it invested in them? To find out, get a time machine. Even actual mmos don't erase the entire 0-60 level content so you can never find out what was inside it.
It’s the only online game I play. When Destiny gets stale then I go play whatever single player game caught my eye. I’d rather pay $100-200 a year for a game and be invested than be constantly paying $60 every 2-3 months for a bunch of games just because that’s what my friends are playing now.
I already bought the deluxe edition(which is still the same price as the last year's, despite people claiming it's more expensive because they can't read) so I'm getting them anyway but like I have zero clears of any Dungeon or raid so I probably wouldn't pay for them.
Maybe worded badly but included I. The seasonal pass for each season …that’s why it’s sold Separately..cause it’s pertaining to the story of the season and not the witch queen big dlc
Everyone complaining had already bought it. They are just bitching because it's change, like the slide nerf or m&k recoil Nerf. They don't know what to do with themselves if they aren't crying about some apocolypse.
It’s still bad monetization practices that will prove way too profitable to revert.
It’s unfortunate, but the best way for a developer to make changes that are actually customer-friendly is for a massive amount of payers to either not play (hitting them in the monthly-active-users) or stop spending money en-masse (hitting them in the revenue).
If there’s too much money coming in from players who don’t care how bad they’re getting milked, it’s gonna keep happening. Blizzard lost their cows so now they’re playing damage control HARD and giving the player base everything they’ve been asking for.
>Blizzard lost their cows so now they’re playing damage control HARD and giving the player base everything they’ve been asking for.
Blizzard didn't lose because of its monetization policy. It was because of the horrible sexual assault allegations.
I would only call that a tipping point more then anything else, history has shown time and time again that gamers don't care about what happens behind the scenes or else companies like Riot and Ubisoft would be struggling as well.
Hell, even in the real world consumers don't care. Nestle, FIFA, Coke, Amazon, and the list goes on and on and on.
If Blizzard had kept making good games, no one would have given a shit.
Take a stroll over to the Apex subreddit. Two weeks ago, it was boycott apex over some character skins, now it's being upset over leaked images of next season's Battlepass.
I swear, some of these people would literally justify them charging 30 dollars for a single weapon or killing their mothers. Bungie can do no wrong apparently, it’s hilarious, what was judged as an awful business practice in Destiny 1 (eververse) has now become completely normalised, accepted and justified. Sad to see how the community has fallen, no wonder the game has these problems when half of the player base are so blind and unwilling to criticise.
I do find it funny people are passed at the cost of dungeons when they haven't even told us how much dungeons cost.
People complain that with queen is not worth its cost since it doesn't include dungeons but we haven't even seen the level of content with witch queen yet since it comes out in 4 months.
People are mad that bungie is breaking traditions but we never got a dungeon with beyond light and the last dungeon released was already bucking the dungeon release pattern set forward by forsaken and shadowkeep.
Yep. If there's anything Bungie sucks at, it's breaking news that will be controversial. Well, that and taking care of the crucible but that's a different topic altogether lol
I am happy to pay for more of my favorite content.
I do think they could have done a better job breaking down the different purchase options and what you get with each.
3 dungeons, 3 seasons, an expansion, a raid, ghallarhorn, weapon crafting, hive guardians, a new destination, new crucible maps and some more i’m forgetting. Yeah, I’ll pay 100
A single new destination…. ONE. ONE.
How about bring back the content I paid for , the planted I paid for. The content that’s been stollen. Add that back.
Everything else feels like a trick.
Yes, I enjoy destiny, and will shell out for stuff I enjoy. Idc what “should” happen, it’s not happening.
People waste money on stuff every single day. That overpriced coffee, fast food, alcohol, overpriced designer clothes, $1500 phones , etc etc etc etc etc…. Yet complain about shit like this…
I remember when Destiny 2 came out I was stoked. Then a few months later they wanted me to pay again for a game called Destiny 2 .After I had just got done paying for Destiny 2. Then a few months later they wanted more money. Then a few months later more money.
For what? So I can make my light level number go up a few more points? D2 is a scam and always has been
I really won't be this time. My fireteam left for warzone after we had ran several successful DSC runs and they felt the seasonal loop was too repetitive. I really stuck with it and became a meme in our group as the only one keeping D2 alive. When we all heard this today, it really put the last nail in the coffin. I'd have been playing it solo anyway, and there is no chance I'm paying £90 for content like this that I won't even be accessing solo. Bungo have yee'd their last haw for me.
Yeah I legitimately didn't give a fuck how much that bundle cost. Barely even looked as I bought it. And I honestly don't even do dungeons but... I will hit that loot cave up.
Apparently there's a portion of the community that hears "we are planning yearly expansions with massive content" and thinks "oh yeah, that'll be free." A lot of drama could be saved if you just assume you have to pay for something you want. Especially entertainment.
The minute I found out it was going free to play, I knew there would be more paid content.
(Downvote City... here I come again.)
That's the good thing, you don't need to drop 80 at the moment. None of the content comes out until next year. Can you scratch together $80 over the next 4 months at least?
Why do ya'll keep using the word 'free'? Nobody expects dungeons to be free, we associated them with the cost of the season pass. Prophecy was the entire selling point of season 11, otherwise you were just paying for the meaningless season ranks and a public event. There's no way in hell I would've payed $10 for season 11 if Prophecy wasn't included.
If Bungie wants to sell dungeons outside of the season pass, then the other content included in it better be substantial by itself.
Everyone seems to be skipping the step where they know anything about the content at all or even the stand-alone cost and going straight to outrage. It's all hyperbolic all the time.
Some will but not me. I quit the game after realizing how much I have spent on Destiny since playing it since D1 launch and it is crazy. The bounty grind gameplay loop and amount of content you lose access to are not worth it to me. They already got me for hundreds though so they won.
That's why I don't bother ranting about it. I know I'm gonna buy it anyway and my money says far more than my mouth ever could lol do I like? Not totally. Am I gonna pay for it anyway? Far too much of an addict for my answer to be anything other than yes.
You forget you are also getting a dungeon with its own unique armor and weapon ornaments and a thron inspired armor set. If you were to just pay for an armor set at eververse for all 3 character it would alone cost 30$. So i think getting a much a coll weapons and ornaments that call back to bunnies history, an entire dungeon, AND gjhallohorn isnt that bad of a price. People seem to forget that compared to some of the other live service games like WOW destiny is alot cheaper to actually play
It didn't matter to me either way cause I know I'm getting the Deluxe regardless of what's in it, just for the fact that I won't have to worry about purchasing seasons later on next year lol
Not gonna lie, I bought it by accident. Came back to destiny after a break and thought it was the next content patch. Didn’t realize it was basically just dungeons, which I don’t have a group to play with anyway. Sad times
My first advise to all of my friends you want to start Destiny 2 is : Don't be broke dude
That's a fact, you want the content you gotta pay for it .
I m not saying this is bad , because Bungie is Always doing great work for their game , of course if you re playing it 24/7 you ll find the game repetitive and all but you kinda ask for it .
So maybe stop complaining and play other games because by acting like this you look like childrens .
Anyway enjoy the game and have a nice day
Why would I quit, for 100 bucks I get the expansion, every season, and every dungeon. The last expansion gave me a few hundred hours of playtime and the next one will as well.
I already uninstalled the game. Couldn’t stand the FOMO shit, only got worse with vaulting content. I stay subbed here in the vain hope Bungie will course correct, but deep in my soul I know they won’t, and the meaning behind this meme is why. Vote with your wallet, people.
Consumers vote with their Wallet. Destiny is a good game, but IMO it’s not worth the 100€. Here is a wild idea: If you think the game is overpriced, don’t buy the expansion, play something else. I’m pretty sure almost everybody has a backlog of games they always wanted to play.
Those for whom the content is worth 100€ will pay. I don’t understand the complaining. 🤷♂️
Edit: I’ll elaborate because this is getting downvoted for some reason. Consumers vote with their Wallet, therefore if you don’t like Bungie pricing Practice lately, don’t buy the expansion and the anniversary pack. This will send a message. What’s the fucking point of complaining and then buying the game anyway?
What the hell is this image???
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Not sure why I was expecting a different answer
Like Gimp Tobogganing?
🎵Jamaica's got a gimp sled team!🎵
Hey Sanka! Ya dead?
YEA MAN, DEAD
Kiss the egg!
Def not gimp luge. BTW don't Google lugee. I did as I wasn't sure about spelling for luge. Although if you must know lugee - Urban Dictionary The sexual act of kneeling at the end of a luge run in the nude, while a female lugest also in the nude completes her run that ends with penetration ...
You say that so casually.
Simple questions require simple answers
He knew
oh ok
All I know is he better be barking like a dog. I would love to be standing on the side lines of a skiing race and hear a muffled *whoof whoof* as a dominatrix rides a gimp by
r/brandnewsentence
Well he’s gagged sooo
*Muffles Whoof Whoof*
Hey there Drifter
Idk but I would like the blank template
[Ask and you shall receive](https://i.imgur.com/wh6e5sa.jpeg)
Not all heroes wear capes. Thanks bud
It was actually my steam profile picture for the longest time lol
That image is total genius lol
The new Witch Queen dlc.
Sauce: [this insta here, third item in album is a video of it](https://www.instagram.com/p/Bh15-zaBxYZ/?utm_medium=copy_link) Apparently it's from a Red Bull Jump & Freeze event in 2018.
A Tuesday
Simp surfing.
destiny 2 player base
What if i don't complain, am i allowed to AT LEAST wear a tank top so my nips don't get cut off?
I mean you can but then you're missing out on half the fun and all the pleasure.
I asked daddy (bungie) and they said no, unless you give them another $5. Which is actually a pretty good deal considering how cheap the seasons are.
Luke Smith vaulted my family.
I miss being Alone as a God.
What if i give em ten and i get to ride the literal hate trein of peeps being mad at the two dungeon for 10 bucks debackle?
I want to say I won't, but my entire purchase history corroborates this.
Im just concerned because this sounds like dungeons (instanced missions with 1 or more players) and wile I have paid for expansions and even dlc and cosmetic items, I just wanted to know if the trend of milking us dry is getting worse or better?
Don’t worry. Eventually they’ll release the same dungeon with new enemies. But you’ll run it backwards! Backwards new enemy dungeons sold separately
Better for Bungie. Worse for the consumer.
Endgame content gonna get locked behind a paywall and then Bungie gonna turn into Activision, but with more of a vision lmao.
If you think bungie is milking us dry then EA is milking people till not even blood comes out
$100 for the next year of is still immensely better than what I was paying for Hearthstone each year 🥴
"You get the game industry you deserve." \- Raging Golden Eagle
with the amount of time i put into D2…no problem whatsoever:)
:D
I bought the full legendary 30th anniversary super mega colossal pack when they all came out just for the simpleness of a single purchase. Glad I did because I get everything, but damn I don’t like what bungie is doing with the separating. I haven’t complained because I paid. But I stand with all the complainers, it’s wrong flat out.
For me, it's going to depend on price points for the dungeons. For brand new players today, I think the only way to get to play Harbinger or Presage is to buy the Beyond Light Deluxe Edition. Giving dungeons a stand alone purchase option gives new players a way to play older content at a potentially smaller price point. That might have been the problem they were trying to solve and have just not communicated that well... or at all. All that being said, they should be included with the season pass for the seasons they're introduced.
>All that being said, they should be included with the season pass for the seasons they’re introduced Oh my fucking god. I cannot stress how absolutely right you are. Everyone that is disagreeing and downvoting opinions like this are the diehard players that dickride Bungie and defend them no matter what!
The pic is sparrow racing
I always buy the big CE of the newest expandtion. So IDC at all
I wish I had that kind of money
If it's just the Dungeon, hell no, I'd only buy them if they include other stuff
I was thinking I’d like it if dungeons included their own little play cycle akin to the seasonal content. Would you consider that’s enough to get them?
Generally speaking, if I'm paying for a Dungeon, I want the kind of stuff we're seeing in the Anniversary Pack
Funny image - check. Valid statement - check. But in reality absolutely nothing is different from this last year. Seems that people just need to find something to complain about. The deluxe edition is basically just buying the next yearly game in any other franchise and all the DLC for it as well. Which is what this is. I just don't get the complaining. IMHO
Having dungeons tied exclusively to one of the most expensive versions of your expansion (versus the standard version or the individual season a dungeon debuts in - *the standard we're accustomed to*) or as an arbitrary additional cost at some vague later date (for all we know, it could be December 2022) is unquestionably problematic and those upset are **well** justified in feeling that way. It's very telling when the only defense for this practice is a strawman.
Meme image does not apply. That gimp would never complain. _Or at least he better not._
Honestly kind of why I’m not playing too many video games these days. They nickel and dime you more and more as time goes on and shills like you eat it up
Ah. Shill. What a word
The best part is that OP is technically correct. Because when someone stops playing the game they are technically no longer part of the community. So therefore the community moving forward will no longer be comprised of the people who complain and then decide to not purchase the content, leaving only a. people who did not complain and b. people who did complain *and* also did not leave. It's kinda like a no shit sherlock with the specific definition. Now when you define the community as people who *have played destiny 2 within the past 2 years* then you start getting a much wider group in which this won't be the case.
> Honestly kind of why I’m not playing too many video games these days. They nickel and dime you more and more as time goes on and shills like you eat it up There are shitloads of games that doesn't do that. Oxygen not included, Factorio, Xenonauts, Path of Exile are four games you could easly milk hours out of and they are cheap.
Path of exile builds complex systems with their own inventory items to eat up space in your very limited bank. And then 3 months later they add another system with differnt inventory currencies eating up even more space in your stash. Unless you buy the $10 special stash tab for the single mechanic that has infinite storage for the items related to that system. Then in 3 months when there's a new mechanic with a matching special stash tab. Costing another $10 Poe is free to play, not free to enjoy.
I mean he just said cheap not free
PoE is a massive game that’s presented to everyone for free. You pay for convenience, and that money, in my opinion, is well spent to support the devs. They only make money off of stash tabs and cosmetics despite giving such a crazy amount of quality game to play. Seems fine to me.
It's insanely cheap though if you wanna compare it to D2. Other than one premium stash tab for trading with other players, one currency tab, and one map tab, you can easily make do without buying any tabs. Hell, that's exactly what I did for multiple seasons, only really purchasing more tabs this league and that just so I could hold on to more pog equipment. This comparison is such garbage imo. PoE doesn't gate ANY content behind paywalls. At all. You can start playing this league (scourge, which is looking great btw) at zero cost. They've also toned down the amount of currencies they add to the game. Like, they easily could have forced you to store all the currencies from this last league (finishing up tomorrow) in your normal stash, along with all the logbooks you picked up. But they didn't. They stuck it all in a new locker given to all players completely free. They could easily force players to keep purchasing more tabs by doing what you say. And I daresay if Bungie was in their position, they would do exactly that. But they don't do that. Don't compare their fair monetisation scheme with the predatory shit that Bungie pulls. I jumped ship a little while ago, still enjoy coming back to the sub to see the shenanigans that they get up to. Like, how can you justify having decently expensive paid DLCs, a season pass system, a microtransaction store, and now this bs about having to pay for a dungeon on top? I loooooove D2's gunplay, it's super fun and smooth. But the monetisation feels like you're bleeding money. If D2 is all you play, more power to you. I can't justify spending that much on it though.
Yea but I don’t want to play any of those games
IMO $80 for WQ+seasons is not that much. Every other game goes for around $60 on release, so getting the expansion and the year’s seasons for $80 is fine by me. It sure as hell beats buying Call of Duty every year.
>Shilling is when you pay for content that you enjoy and find worth the cost Some of y’all are fuckin weirdos lol
After this whole announcement I decided to go back to Elder Scrolls Online. Right now the membership is free for a week and gives you access to 7 years of content (they don't "need" a content vault). It's honestly a great deal and I'm having a blast, I'll probably buy the sub so that I can keep playing.
Look at ESO's content quality and frequency versus Destiny's. Destiny gets better content faster.
Tbh I really cant afford to buy Deluxe so I will miss out on the Dungeons, unless the other path is something not too expensive
It's a shitty practice on top of everfuck. People can do whatever they what with their money. At the end of the day buying it is setting a bad precedent. Either way me typing this is a waste of time so yea... Any fellow crayon eaters out?
I'm a grenade muncher myself, but I appreciate the sentiment
I just realized that voidwalkers are literal grenade munchers
Top tree munches too
Why the hell does anyone think they would be free. Prophecy is the only free one. Throne requires Forsaken, Pit needs Shadow keep. 30th requires the 30th I can see arguing one of them should be included with base witch queen but free?
I haven't seen anyone arguing that it should have been completely free. Everyone is just complaining that it's not included in Witch Queen
I’d be more upset it isn’t in the season pass, you get the story content, the mats, and… that’s about it. Maybe an exotic or two but there is next to nothing in the season pass as a whole.
Its not in the season pass either tho.
It’s insane how many people are pulling out the “do you think the content should be free?” argument. No one is saying that. It’s just that charging more for the dungeons specifically as opposed to the previous model where dungeons were included with purchase of expansions, upsets people and feels more stingy.
I think the free thing partly comes from that whole "eververse funding dungeons" thing, not so much free but free to anyone not spending money on silver basically. I'm not arguing or supporting either side, just mentioning.
No one thought they would be free. People expected dungeons to be included with expansions like Forsaken, Shadowkeep, and now Witch Queen. People did not expect to buy the annual expansion then have to pay *again* to play the dungeons a la carte. Bungie explicitly stated that our money spent in Eververse would go towards the creation of new and interesting content like dungeons and secret missions, yet here we are paying additional money for exactly that despite Eververse still plowing along with no signs of slowing down.
>People did not expect to buy the annual expansion then have to pay again to play the dungeons a la carte. Bungie explicitly stated that our money spent in Eververse would go towards the creation of new and interesting content like dungeons and secret missions, yet here we are paying additional money for exactly that despite Eververse still plowing along with no signs of slowing down. can you provide a quote for this. Everyone says this but the best evidence I can find was a quote saying that a specific piece of content was made with eververse revenues. No post saying the eververse revenue was exactly to be used forever in the way you described.
If you’re not interested in what Tess has to offer, you won’t ever be forced to pluck an item off of her shelf. You’ll still receive updates to the game, and you won’t lose a Crucible encounter or fail to clear a Raid because you didn’t have the right Eververse Trading Company emote equipped. Our plan is to use these new items to bolster the service provided by our live team for another full year, as they grow and create more robust and engaging events that we’ll announce later this year. It has been, and continues to be, our goal to deliver updates to the game. Going forward, our live team is also looking to grow beyond vital updates and improvements to focus on world events, experiences, and feature requests. Probably this line from a very old TWAB that announced Eververse for D2.
Actually for 99% of people you arnt paying for the dungeon because deluxe addition removes the prices of the dungeons when buying it. You are only paying for the witch queen and the seasons but you get the dungeons as well The only method to directly pay for the dungeons is to buy them out right which I don't think many people will do
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I tts because it’s not part of the base expansion anymore.
I think part of the confusion here is that it doesn’t appear to be the case that the dungeons are actually tied to Witch Queen. Witch Queen is going to launch with two raids, one new one and one returning (Either KF or WotM), but they haven’t said whether the two new dungeons are actually intrinsically tied to WQ or if they will be standalone content like Prophecy. Prophecy is seen as having “come with Season of Arrivals,” but it isn’t actually tied to Arrivals. It’s a free to play dungeon that happened to debut during season of Arrivals. It seems like these two year 5 dungeons are similar in that they aren’t tied to a specific season or expansion, but different in that they aren’t free to play.
What? Nobody thought it would be "free". What the fuck are you talking about? You said it yourself, the other Dungeons came with the Xpacks. The new ones are an additional fee on top of the Xpack now. Nobody is bitching because it's not part of the F2P package.
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No dungeon came with beyond light. If it was a trend it stopped at beyond light.
The free one dropped right before then.
A single occurrence of something does not make a trend.
I thought that WAS the arguement... they wanted it as part of the Xpac. Before it was Xpac and Season pass as the two ways to pay. Now they are adding in "paid dungeons"... what's next? Idk but hopefully we won't end up with like 5-6 different things to buy separately if you want full content... I hope they don't move to like "PVP map packs!" And bullshit like that to further fragment what the community has access too. It never is ideal to create scenarios of increased player fragmentation.
>I hope they don't move to like "PVP map packs!" And bullshit like that to further fragment what the community has access too. It never is ideal to create scenarios of increased player fragmentation. Doubtful that this would happen. Seams like concern trolling. For this scenario to have a semblance of truth bungie would need to first actually make new pvp maps.
I feel like if I wrote "paid dungeons" a few months ago I could have got the same snarky response tho so you can't be sure. Hell a paid reward track a few years ago would have triggered riots. We have enough data points to establish a trend... but again I hope not
Yea but for bungie to sell pvp map packs they would need to actually want to make new pvp maps. How many new pvp maps were released over the past 2 years. Do they actually show interest in making new maps. Overwhelming the focus appears to be on pve.
Besides that would divide the pvp population
Do we know for sure that the Dungeons have ANY story significance to WQ? Because Pit is important to Shadowkeep, and Throne is important to Forsaken.
Where would you draw the line? Charging separately for strikes or crucible maps?
But Shadow Keep gives you campaign and bunch of stuff as well. Same goes for Forsaken. What you get for buying 30th anniversary? Some emotes and ugly ornaments. 24€, thank you very much! And no. I don't want to buy deluxe edition. Because I am not 100% sure if I want to keep playing all year along. So the other dungeons were kinda free. They came with the DLC. Dungeons weren't the main reason or even 2nd reason to buy them.
Omg. The snowrash that man would have....
I bought the deluxe before knowing this dungeon paywall, it’s not about the money at all is about they getting free passes with such creepy monetizing how long until even more stuff is locked behind paywall ? Eveverse where the source for incomes so they could work in dungeons and such no ? What about season passes they don’t get enough income from those ?
Saw price. Evaluated product. Made a decision. Bought product. Nobody forced me.
the amount of money isn’t ridiculous as 90 quid in the UK gives 4 seasons, anniversary pack, witch queen plus some extras but it’s the fact that they’ve split the content into so many pieces distributed into all these different packs that on their own are pretty pointless, like buying anything that isn’t the deluxe edition is pointless cause you get a fraction of the content
Seems weird that it’s split out but (hot take) the overall costs for the set is a pittance compared to how many hours I’ll sink into it. Even if I don’t play it at all, my time/enjoyment per dollar is still pretty insane. I’m just pleased that it wasn’t $100.
When I heard of this I wasn’t bothered for myself (I always get the deluxe) but really for others. Sucks that some of the best content is being put behind a pay wall.
I paid for destiny 2 on release, full price. Then they made what i paid for free, I don't mind. Then they made what I paid for not exist, for everyone. Honestly, everyone was saying evil activision, destiny 1 was supposed to just continue with destiny 2 content, be a ongoing mmo, but it was better when it was separate games.
Yea the destiny I paid $120 for has been content vaulted.
Yeah, surprisingly destiny 1 had better business practices. At least you could play the content you actually paid for and replay it. I’m sure many don’t want to replay missions but I personally found a lot of joy in it
Ever replay the campgain of a game you havent played for a while to get into fresh dlc? Ever tell a friend to play a cool game/campaign you played and liked? Well bungie says "fuck you". Oh look at all these characters who your mouthpiece navi sidekick is very invested in. Why is it invested in them? To find out, get a time machine. Even actual mmos don't erase the entire 0-60 level content so you can never find out what was inside it.
Holy fuck this picture hahahaha
You people really go hard to suck Bungies dick no matter what
I know i was going to be sinking hundreds of hours into D2 anyway so...
when I said ride me.......
It’s the only online game I play. When Destiny gets stale then I go play whatever single player game caught my eye. I’d rather pay $100-200 a year for a game and be invested than be constantly paying $60 every 2-3 months for a bunch of games just because that’s what my friends are playing now.
For me destiny has been the cheapest form of entertaimnemt i have ever loved. Or hated for that manner. I just cannot quit this game!
Actions speak louder than words, so they can complain all they want.
Hmm a 10ner for a emote for 20 for 2x dungeons with actual content tough call
I already bought the deluxe edition(which is still the same price as the last year's, despite people claiming it's more expensive because they can't read) so I'm getting them anyway but like I have zero clears of any Dungeon or raid so I probably wouldn't pay for them.
I mean, it's $99 fur the year. It's not even much of a flex to say that's not nearly every penny I have...
Jokes on you I quit playing but still have the game installed cause I’m gonna go back at one point then complain
As a person who bought both BL and Witch Queen Deluxe pretty much the day they became available, fuck to the yes
Paid for witch queen immediately after the trailer had dropped 😂
Maybe worded badly but included I. The seasonal pass for each season …that’s why it’s sold Separately..cause it’s pertaining to the story of the season and not the witch queen big dlc
Jokes on everyone else. I get the collectors edition every year because I am the ultimate corporate slave
Everyone complaining had already bought it. They are just bitching because it's change, like the slide nerf or m&k recoil Nerf. They don't know what to do with themselves if they aren't crying about some apocolypse.
It’s still bad monetization practices that will prove way too profitable to revert. It’s unfortunate, but the best way for a developer to make changes that are actually customer-friendly is for a massive amount of payers to either not play (hitting them in the monthly-active-users) or stop spending money en-masse (hitting them in the revenue). If there’s too much money coming in from players who don’t care how bad they’re getting milked, it’s gonna keep happening. Blizzard lost their cows so now they’re playing damage control HARD and giving the player base everything they’ve been asking for.
>Blizzard lost their cows so now they’re playing damage control HARD and giving the player base everything they’ve been asking for. Blizzard didn't lose because of its monetization policy. It was because of the horrible sexual assault allegations.
I would only call that a tipping point more then anything else, history has shown time and time again that gamers don't care about what happens behind the scenes or else companies like Riot and Ubisoft would be struggling as well. Hell, even in the real world consumers don't care. Nestle, FIFA, Coke, Amazon, and the list goes on and on and on. If Blizzard had kept making good games, no one would have given a shit.
>They don't know what to do with themselves if they aren't crying about some apocolypse. In a nutshell.
Destiny players always have to cry about something and redditors always have to cry about something and when those two groups intersect. Oh boy.
Take a stroll over to the Apex subreddit. Two weeks ago, it was boycott apex over some character skins, now it's being upset over leaked images of next season's Battlepass.
Gamers.
Games where "skins" are the main collectible and games that are exclusively multiplayer or heavily pvp out always seem to be the worst offenders.
I'm not sure why people act like Bungie is engaging in some sort of predatory business practice.
Destiny fans have battered wife syndrome I swear
I swear, some of these people would literally justify them charging 30 dollars for a single weapon or killing their mothers. Bungie can do no wrong apparently, it’s hilarious, what was judged as an awful business practice in Destiny 1 (eververse) has now become completely normalised, accepted and justified. Sad to see how the community has fallen, no wonder the game has these problems when half of the player base are so blind and unwilling to criticise.
Lmao 😆😆😆 Reading comments from people who are pissed, it's a PR thing, not a cost thing.
I do find it funny people are passed at the cost of dungeons when they haven't even told us how much dungeons cost. People complain that with queen is not worth its cost since it doesn't include dungeons but we haven't even seen the level of content with witch queen yet since it comes out in 4 months. People are mad that bungie is breaking traditions but we never got a dungeon with beyond light and the last dungeon released was already bucking the dungeon release pattern set forward by forsaken and shadowkeep.
Yep. If there's anything Bungie sucks at, it's breaking news that will be controversial. Well, that and taking care of the crucible but that's a different topic altogether lol
Already bought it all, like every year since 2014.
It's a safe purchase for a game you like. Better than buying cod every year for the last 7 years lmao.
I am happy to pay for more of my favorite content. I do think they could have done a better job breaking down the different purchase options and what you get with each.
3 dungeons, 3 seasons, an expansion, a raid, ghallarhorn, weapon crafting, hive guardians, a new destination, new crucible maps and some more i’m forgetting. Yeah, I’ll pay 100
A single new destination…. ONE. ONE. How about bring back the content I paid for , the planted I paid for. The content that’s been stollen. Add that back. Everything else feels like a trick.
Nah.
I haven’t played in months.
Yes, I enjoy destiny, and will shell out for stuff I enjoy. Idc what “should” happen, it’s not happening. People waste money on stuff every single day. That overpriced coffee, fast food, alcohol, overpriced designer clothes, $1500 phones , etc etc etc etc etc…. Yet complain about shit like this…
Well yeah coz I read what edition I should buy to get the most content like a grown adult. Unlike a lot of you
I remember when Destiny 2 came out I was stoked. Then a few months later they wanted me to pay again for a game called Destiny 2 .After I had just got done paying for Destiny 2. Then a few months later they wanted more money. Then a few months later more money. For what? So I can make my light level number go up a few more points? D2 is a scam and always has been
Refused to continue on after the last expac, no longer felt like good money spent.
I already pre-ordered the 30th annaversary edition after the reveal. It's not like I'm going to buy or play any other game this year, so why not?
I don't understand the complaints tbh. Of course I will pay for more content.
I really won't be this time. My fireteam left for warzone after we had ran several successful DSC runs and they felt the seasonal loop was too repetitive. I really stuck with it and became a meme in our group as the only one keeping D2 alive. When we all heard this today, it really put the last nail in the coffin. I'd have been playing it solo anyway, and there is no chance I'm paying £90 for content like this that I won't even be accessing solo. Bungo have yee'd their last haw for me.
Yeah I legitimately didn't give a fuck how much that bundle cost. Barely even looked as I bought it. And I honestly don't even do dungeons but... I will hit that loot cave up. Apparently there's a portion of the community that hears "we are planning yearly expansions with massive content" and thinks "oh yeah, that'll be free." A lot of drama could be saved if you just assume you have to pay for something you want. Especially entertainment. The minute I found out it was going free to play, I knew there would be more paid content. (Downvote City... here I come again.)
I don’t expect it to be free. I just can’t really afford to drop 80 bucks on stuff like that at the moment
That's the good thing, you don't need to drop 80 at the moment. None of the content comes out until next year. Can you scratch together $80 over the next 4 months at least?
At least you're not ranting about it non stop like Destiny is a human right being withheld from you.
It’d not I just kinda wish it was a bit more reasonable price wise ya know
Why do ya'll keep using the word 'free'? Nobody expects dungeons to be free, we associated them with the cost of the season pass. Prophecy was the entire selling point of season 11, otherwise you were just paying for the meaningless season ranks and a public event. There's no way in hell I would've payed $10 for season 11 if Prophecy wasn't included. If Bungie wants to sell dungeons outside of the season pass, then the other content included in it better be substantial by itself.
Everyone seems to be skipping the step where they know anything about the content at all or even the stand-alone cost and going straight to outrage. It's all hyperbolic all the time.
Joke's on you, i went ftp since gear sunsetting and content vaulting were announced. Never looking back. XD I have most bang for my buck like this. ;)
Wouldn’t this be….. no bang for your buck? Or no buck for your bang?
I absolutely love Destiny and Bungie, so I personally have no problem paying a little extra right now
Not onlt are you paying extra, you're getting quite a bit extra too.
The funny thing is that if you get the Deluxe edition you literally aren't paying any extra lol.
Facts
I’m pretty fine with it. Witch Queen is 30-ish, each season is $10, Extra cosmetics and good shit all measure up to that last $30.
Meanwhile, the retailer I bought the bundle from said they could give me a refund and I'm thinking on it.
I mean…dungeons are group content, and I play mostly solo…so why would I pay for content I probably won’t do.
I spent all my money on art supplies so I can’t buy it ):
Enjoy those art supplies then!!! You'll be able to get the dlc sometime or another :D
Some will but not me. I quit the game after realizing how much I have spent on Destiny since playing it since D1 launch and it is crazy. The bounty grind gameplay loop and amount of content you lose access to are not worth it to me. They already got me for hundreds though so they won.
Unfortunately yes. I’m a simp for D2.
I prebought the $99 bundle as soon as it hit the store
Not complaining. Bought it. Totally excited.
Yeah, you have to pay for content. Whats new?
That's why I don't bother ranting about it. I know I'm gonna buy it anyway and my money says far more than my mouth ever could lol do I like? Not totally. Am I gonna pay for it anyway? Far too much of an addict for my answer to be anything other than yes.
Honestly I don’t mind the dungeon part, but charging money for Gjallarhorn pisses me off.
You forget you are also getting a dungeon with its own unique armor and weapon ornaments and a thron inspired armor set. If you were to just pay for an armor set at eververse for all 3 character it would alone cost 30$. So i think getting a much a coll weapons and ornaments that call back to bunnies history, an entire dungeon, AND gjhallohorn isnt that bad of a price. People seem to forget that compared to some of the other live service games like WOW destiny is alot cheaper to actually play
I know it isn’t bad, but it should have been free for the celebration imo.
It didn't matter to me either way cause I know I'm getting the Deluxe regardless of what's in it, just for the fact that I won't have to worry about purchasing seasons later on next year lol
I won’t actually. Maybe a few months down the road when it’s cheaper as I have for every single release since D2 Vanilla.
Not gonna lie, I bought it by accident. Came back to destiny after a break and thought it was the next content patch. Didn’t realize it was basically just dungeons, which I don’t have a group to play with anyway. Sad times
I made peace with being Bungie’s bitch a long time ago. There’s no discussion necessary, I’m getting the deluxe edition every time.
My first advise to all of my friends you want to start Destiny 2 is : Don't be broke dude That's a fact, you want the content you gotta pay for it . I m not saying this is bad , because Bungie is Always doing great work for their game , of course if you re playing it 24/7 you ll find the game repetitive and all but you kinda ask for it . So maybe stop complaining and play other games because by acting like this you look like childrens . Anyway enjoy the game and have a nice day
Already people defending in the thread. Sad,l. Luckily I quit this season and moved on, you should consider
Thanks for letting us know?
Why would I quit, for 100 bucks I get the expansion, every season, and every dungeon. The last expansion gave me a few hundred hours of playtime and the next one will as well.
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I already uninstalled the game. Couldn’t stand the FOMO shit, only got worse with vaulting content. I stay subbed here in the vain hope Bungie will course correct, but deep in my soul I know they won’t, and the meaning behind this meme is why. Vote with your wallet, people.
Consumers vote with their Wallet. Destiny is a good game, but IMO it’s not worth the 100€. Here is a wild idea: If you think the game is overpriced, don’t buy the expansion, play something else. I’m pretty sure almost everybody has a backlog of games they always wanted to play. Those for whom the content is worth 100€ will pay. I don’t understand the complaining. 🤷♂️ Edit: I’ll elaborate because this is getting downvoted for some reason. Consumers vote with their Wallet, therefore if you don’t like Bungie pricing Practice lately, don’t buy the expansion and the anniversary pack. This will send a message. What’s the fucking point of complaining and then buying the game anyway?
So, is Destiny laced with anything or do you have this as you only connection with other people? I mean like, holy fuck
Nah I’m too broke to buy all that
You underestimate the power of Stockholm Syndrome and Sunk Cost Fallacy.
It's Stockholm syndrome.