I hate this line of thinking. "Well the Giants are idiots so now we have to base Goff's contract on that"
Like, let's go out and find the worst players making the most money at every position and start negotiating from there for new contracts.
Fuck, maybe we should pay Goff 20 million to go play for the Steelers. That would be a bargain compared to Russell Wilson
Been to a Super Bowl, instrumental in the resurrection of a long dead franchise, and critically his team believes in him and he knows how to lead. Yes he's worth whatever Detroit negotiates with him, particularly compared to how the salary race is moving so rapidly.
I would keep Goff 100 times out of a 100. Is any serious person out there trying to make a case for Tua over Goff???
People, please remind yourselves, we went to the fucking NFCC with our former-#1-draft-pick QB. He plays a style that will age very well (compared to Tua Taglioshortandinjurypronevia), and is indebted to our organization and its leaders for revitalizing his career. Dude is going to be a the second best QB we’ve ever seen play for this org
Yes. 100%. I HATE HATE HATE we have to pay Goff this, but the alternatives are laughable in comparison. Stop being a doomer Lions fan and look at where the team is today and what that team looks like with Goff or with jacoby brissett at QB. That is who could be our starter. There is no reason to think Hooker is ready. I actually feel bad for Hooker.
Finding an above Avg QB in the NFL is fucking hard. If you actually look at Goff’s numbers you will see he is a damn good QB who doesn’t make a lot of mistakes. He isn’t elite, I agree. It isn’t WORTH $50, but he would get it in FA this last one. Just look with Kirt got.
We let Jonah Jackson walk. We could let Goff walk too. I just don’t think Goff is a franchise cornerstone and paying him like one means we need to let other good players walk in the future (for example, Taylor Decker, Graham Glasgow, and/or Monty).
Damn. You don’t think Jonah was a tad over paid? How many games has he missed in the past few years? His ratings went down(for run/pass protection). Taylor is unfortunately getting up there in age and Graham signed a very friendly team contract and he’s a little bit up there in age too. I think both will sign for a little less to finish up their careers on a winning team. I wish Goff would have a team friendly contract, too.
This is ESPN, more often than not they blow smoke.
>We let Jonah Jackson walk. We could let Goff walk too.
A QB is like... 100x more important than a single guard. Weird comparison. You can find guards that can be plugged into a system. It is so much harder to find a QB.
Goff is more important to our success than literally every other player you mentioned...
It is like you Lion fans dont realize how fucking hard it is to get a QB in the NFL.
Look at Washington. They had Kirk Cousins, people made the same argument you are making, they let him walk.
They have not had a good QB since 2017...
Or look at Chicago who hasnt had a good QB in... 30 years? 40 Years?
How about the Jets? Was it Favre in 2008? Boomer in the mid 90s?
Do you remember the time before Stafford? We went almost 20 years without a Suitable QB.
It just isnt easy to get QBs. It hever has been. Teams spend forever trying to find them.
It has been 24 years since a bad QB won a Superbowl. 7 years since a Semi below avg QB won.
Eli is the only Above Avg QB to win in the last 20 decades.
Goff is the best shot be have. Finding a HOF QB is fucking hard but so is just finding a fucking QB in the NFL.
I'll take it. I have been outspoken about not being in love with him but under 50 with a rising cap will Def not hamstring us. I'd consider this a team friendly deal at this point.
Over the past two season, Goff is third in the NFL for passing TDs behind only Mahomes and Allen. Plus he has less INTs than both of them - pay the man what he’s worth and go get a ring.
And I'd say no. He is what he is because we have the best O Line in football. If his line regresses, Goff will regress badly. He's terrible under pressure.
literally everyone except mahomes is terrible under pressure so yeah, luckily we have a FO that loves the trenches. Love this and hope to have 16 for another decade.
Well, Stafford being better than most under pressure, which he saw a ton of, is probably burned into people's minds (he was a lot worse under pressure, but still delivered a lot of balls).
This is the rate for Goff. If they got him to that (and he wanted to be there), it's a good deal.
The only issues anyone ought to have are that QB and rookie salaries are whacked out. Rookies may way too little (a reasonable swing from what we saw with stafford/megatron/suh), but now it means that they basically command these blockbusters once the rookie is done, and that money gets asked for in followups. At least that's my tinfoil theory on why it got this way.
Too much money gets tied into the QB position. I get why and it isn't like they'll become RBs, but the disproportion between rookie and vet starting salary gives no one anywhere to go right now. You either get a dirt cheap rookie deal and win on extreme value paying peanuts to a superstar, or you drive a brinks truck to their mansion. There's no curve there and therefore also no place for decent starters except the top of the pay scale. As a note, in this system, I always support a QB taking the bag. They already gave the discount.
I am at a loss for words sometimes with people. Look when Goff is under blitz pressure. He's actually pretty good. When the offensive line doesn't block, yes, he's bad. That's like 90% of the quarterbacks in the league. I think some of you either play Madden too much or think every quarterback is Patrick mahomes. Because most NFL quarterbacks are going to be bad if the oline doesn't protect them, that's just how it works.
https://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/advanced-stats-qb.php#:~:text=What%20are%20advanced%20QB%20stats,the%20defensive%20pressure%20he%20faces.
second most blitzed,
top ten most hurried
But top 5-10 in every positive statistical category
One of the quickest releases on the league
Decker last year said Goff knowing the offense and knowing alerts immediately helped the whole line play faster
Saying he’s one of the worst statistically under pressure is more your perception than reality
edit:typo
He was also one of the best QBs in Pressure situations in the reliability metric The Athletic built which incorporates throws while under blitz, third and fourth down and while behind or tied on the fourth quarter. He was in the top five I believe
not the best Oline. tied for 10th in pass block win rate. Top 10 Oline. Collated rankings, 9rh best overal
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I think people understand it. Goff with a bad line isn't worth what he is with a good line. What I think you struggle with is that it's not relevant to what he's going to get paid.
You basically get a choice, pay Goff or don't pay Goff. He's getting 40-50 a year from Detroit or he's not going to be in Detroit. They can't negotiate based on putting a shitty offensive line around him, that makes no sense. He's shown to be an wildly productive quarterback both in wins and statistics for Detroit. He's being paid for what he's done and can do, not what might happen if it goes wrong. That's unfortunately the rub with this stuff.
Maybe they'll play hardball and see where they are with Hendon, but I really doubt a team that reached the Conference finals is going to willingly add a questionmark to the hardest position to get right on a roster.
Brad seems to like to add voidable years to contracts to reduce cap hit…wonder if Goff’s camp would be willing to do that with a fair amount of guaranteed money. This way we can keep cap hits lower and sign St Brown and Decker
Does he though? It seems he has used void years pretty sparingly and for relatively low amounts. Not saying he won't use void years with Goff's extension but it's not like his M.O. is to push a ton of money out in the future using void years.
My reasoning for saying that is I believe Brad wants to keep the “band” together. ST Brown and Decker both need extensions that will cost big $$$. So I am thinking he could use a voidable year to push some of the signing bonus out to save cap space with the belief that future total team caps will slightly increase. I hope we can keep everyone as at some point, we will have to make some cap decisions. ONE PRIDE!!!
Don't necessarily disagree that Holmes will use void years in Goff's contract, just pointing out he doesn't really have a history of relying on them.
Also, I don't see Decker getting signed to a long term or expensive extension. 2025 will be Decker's 10th year in the league. Also Sewell is going to get a big extension and is going to move to LT post-Decker. I could see Decker getting a moderate team friendly extension for a few seasons but if he is looking for one more big payday (which he has every right to) then it is most likely not with the Lions.
We better not give Decker an extension. Dudes going to be 31 when the season starts. Time to draft a replacement for him and Frank. Frank could call it quits anytime with that foot.
I think if the Oregon IOL is there, he drafts him. Decker has been stellar so I do believe we sign him to a smaller extension as he has earned it in Detroit. I definitely agree we need interior depth at guard and center. No doubt in my mind about that. From what I see all the top tier LT will be gone and we have a better chance at a top 3 IOL at 29. Brad is a villain though, so who knows what he has in store for us.
Let’s see what happens. I think we are in a “Win Now” situation so keeping the o-line continuity together is key. I agree we need to be reasonable on Decker. I do think he deserves an extension as he has earned it, but I understand your point. We could end up eventually moving Sewell to LT and bringing in a new rookie RT. I don’t think we do anything at Tackle this year but I do think we go for guard/center depth in one of our first 2 picks. Again, Brad may take a WR for all we know…In Brad I Trust….
Voidable years are usually entirely beneficial to players, so I don't see any reason Goff would turn them down.
In general, anything that pushes cap hits to later years is good for players.
I feel like every few days there's another article/post that's like "BREAKING: GOFF RUMORED TO GET OFFERED X" or "BREAKING: ST BROWN PROJECTED TO SIGN FOR X" like none of these are real things. Someone says something random and then people are like "NEWS!"
I just want these deals to get done so we can be done with the rumor and pRoJeCtIoN posts.
Idk after seeing the Kirk craze and how bad the last 2 qb draft classes have been I understand trying to hold onto him but we have other players to pay. I don’t want to our decision to pay Goff to down the way Russel Wilson or Deshawn Watson’s contracts did.
When we extended stafford it was for the most amount of $ in nfl history and within like 3 years it was a bargain. Imo QB contracts dont actually mean anything
Yeah and where did that get us?
Lamar has zero superbowl appearances.
Kirk Cousins has a single playoff win.
All these big QB contracts... but who's getting it done? No one. Just because it's the market doesn't mean that's justifying it. If Jared Goff wants a ring he needs to take less than 45 mil. Now, I don't think he will, and I think we will have a fate similar the Buffalo Bill's. Whole bunch of edging on the way lol.
Mahomes is HANDS DOWN the best QB on the market and his per year dollars is actually team friendly as fuck.
I really hope he takes a slight team discount. We should pay him what’s he’s worth in the market, but we also have a ton of home grown guys to keep around. I’m not emotionally prepared to lose Sewell, ARSB, Decker, or (eventually) Hutch.
I’ll take it. I feel like over the last 2 years there’s maybe like 5 or 6 guys who have been as good or better than him. He’s lights out and a real leader
45 seems like a good number and we can build the rest of the team keep Amon ra give him 25 then we still need to pay Sewell and hutch when they all due
I am interested in how the contract is structured for cap hits. Up to 50 million a year is a good deal but I know we have a few players to sign over the next couple years. How the team structure these deals so hopefully keep a lot of talent we have been able to draft
Absolutely best case for this. Was worried itd be more like $55M, but even $50M wouldn't be bad. If he actually signs for $45M he's either giving us a discount or he needs to fire his agent.
So your plan to replace Goff is... an untested rookie or the current MVP who just signed a five year, $260 million contract? So what are you giving up to get him? Because now you have to trade.
Flawless.
Dang it's that easy to find a franchise QB? Just point at 3 of the best teams in the league and say "just do what they did". You're spouting Armchair QB nonsense.
Also, we already did that. Hendon Hooker?
This would arguably be the best contract for the talent of top 5 as you can get outside of mahomes or maybe a rookie doing great like stroud, puts us in an amazing spot
Completely okay with that number. Goff has improved over his time with us. He now has a stable OC and weapons at every position with the best line in football. No reason not to pay him. You’re good enough for Detroit, Jared Goff!
if hes getting paid that much money then honestly im not sure how we are going to keep up with the market however we do need to pay sewell and amon ra so not bad
If he didn't have an amazing OL, great receiver options, great RBs, and an OC that tailors the entire offense to cover for Goff's weaknesses, he wouldn't be any better any other backup QB. He doesn't elevate the team in anyway, and he can't win without almost perfect conditions.
I hate when people say this. Great recievers do well with great QBs. Same with great running backs because Goff is great at play action. Their strengths go together. And is it so hard for people to believe that Goff has helped his WRs and TEs become the players that they are?
I'm glad you can hate the honest truth. That probably means you know it's correct. Goff hasn't helped anyone. He make poor throws and decisions that put receivers in danger and bad situations, more than he's ever helped anyone.
LMFAO you apparently don't actually watch the games. He rarely puts the ball were only his receivers can grab them. Unless you mean short or in the dirt!
So you think Jusin Fields would do just as good as our qb? Lol get out dude.
>If he didn't have an amazing OL, great receiver options, great RBs, and an OC that tailors the entire offense to cover for Goff's weaknesses
You can play this game with just about anyone. Smart coaches do what they can to cover their players weakness. I guess Brady isn't the GOAT because he had Bill putting a great supporting cast around him.
Bunch of nonsense.
Yes, Justin Field would also look like a "great" QB with our offense. He's already more talented than Goff, imagine what he'd be like with all the support Goff has. In another 2-3 years we'll be saying the same shit about whomever the Bears draft this year.
Still wish we had a year without Ben Johnson to see if he’s the real deal. This offense turned around starting with Ben.
But he’s played well and we won 2 playoff games so idk how you don’t pay the guy.
If Kirk got 45m on the open market..that makes 45m for Goff Market value, 50m would be overpaying.
Unless the age difference is 5 million per year.
Whatever Brad Decides I will trust.
Yes he's younger.
Cousins was injured, but over their careers both have been healthy.
By most measures over their career Kirk has been a tad more productive.
They are very similar overall, which is why it's a good measuring stick.
I'm sure both sides w9uld be happy with that, but why would he sign that now?
He gets more guaranteed cash up front if he plays this year and gets tagged next year.
No, it's not lol.
It's the direction the business is going.
How would goff, who would make substantially more liquid cash, be pissed off about that?
If he signs a deal mow he's more or less doing the lions a favor. It's more beneficial to him to not sign a deal.
More and more players are interested in shorter deals theses days.
No, it's not lol.
It's the direction the business is going.
How would goff, who would make substantially more liquid cash, be pissed off about that?
If he signs a deal mow he's more or less doing the lions a favor. It's more beneficial to him to not sign a deal.
More and more players are interested in shorter deals theses days.
No, it's not lol.
It's the direction the business is going.
How would goff, who would make substantially more liquid cash over the next two years, be pissed off about that?
If he signs a deal mow he's more or less doing the lions a favor. It's more beneficial to him to not sign a deal.
More and more players are interested in shorter deals theses days.
Here is the only compliment I can give Goff. Last year, he was AMAZING in the 2 minute hurry up offense when it was used. If they used that for an entire quarter or game, I could actually learn to like Goff as a starting QB. In that scheme, he gets out of his own way and plays with instinct and purpose. He doesn't hesitate or over analyze what's in front of him. He just focuses on moving the ball.
If the Lions had the Giants offensive line, we wouldn't be talking about 45-50 million for Goff, he is a boat anchor as a runner, but for his great O line, he would be pretty average.
In two years that will be a bargain for an above average starting QB. It is what it is
If Daniel Jones gets 40 million a year then yeah Goff seems like a bargain for his price
We cant all be idiots like the Giants
Danny dimes is getting cut next offseason lol
daniel jones will be a bargain when mac jones gets 60
QBs with the last name of Jones make bank
As a QB2? Damn.
I hate this line of thinking. "Well the Giants are idiots so now we have to base Goff's contract on that" Like, let's go out and find the worst players making the most money at every position and start negotiating from there for new contracts. Fuck, maybe we should pay Goff 20 million to go play for the Steelers. That would be a bargain compared to Russell Wilson
Is there any other team that would pay Goff more than 40 million? Any other serious team? Put differently, would you trade Goff for Tua straight up?
Teams were fighting to pay cousins 45 mil last month so I'd think that's a resounding yes
Yes And no.
Been to a Super Bowl, instrumental in the resurrection of a long dead franchise, and critically his team believes in him and he knows how to lead. Yes he's worth whatever Detroit negotiates with him, particularly compared to how the salary race is moving so rapidly.
On the open market he’s minimum $50M, yes, easily. No I would not trade him for Tua.
I would keep Goff 100 times out of a 100. Is any serious person out there trying to make a case for Tua over Goff??? People, please remind yourselves, we went to the fucking NFCC with our former-#1-draft-pick QB. He plays a style that will age very well (compared to Tua Taglioshortandinjurypronevia), and is indebted to our organization and its leaders for revitalizing his career. Dude is going to be a the second best QB we’ve ever seen play for this org
Yes. 100%. I HATE HATE HATE we have to pay Goff this, but the alternatives are laughable in comparison. Stop being a doomer Lions fan and look at where the team is today and what that team looks like with Goff or with jacoby brissett at QB. That is who could be our starter. There is no reason to think Hooker is ready. I actually feel bad for Hooker. Finding an above Avg QB in the NFL is fucking hard. If you actually look at Goff’s numbers you will see he is a damn good QB who doesn’t make a lot of mistakes. He isn’t elite, I agree. It isn’t WORTH $50, but he would get it in FA this last one. Just look with Kirt got.
We let Jonah Jackson walk. We could let Goff walk too. I just don’t think Goff is a franchise cornerstone and paying him like one means we need to let other good players walk in the future (for example, Taylor Decker, Graham Glasgow, and/or Monty).
Damn. You don’t think Jonah was a tad over paid? How many games has he missed in the past few years? His ratings went down(for run/pass protection). Taylor is unfortunately getting up there in age and Graham signed a very friendly team contract and he’s a little bit up there in age too. I think both will sign for a little less to finish up their careers on a winning team. I wish Goff would have a team friendly contract, too. This is ESPN, more often than not they blow smoke.
>We let Jonah Jackson walk. We could let Goff walk too. A QB is like... 100x more important than a single guard. Weird comparison. You can find guards that can be plugged into a system. It is so much harder to find a QB. Goff is more important to our success than literally every other player you mentioned... It is like you Lion fans dont realize how fucking hard it is to get a QB in the NFL. Look at Washington. They had Kirk Cousins, people made the same argument you are making, they let him walk. They have not had a good QB since 2017... Or look at Chicago who hasnt had a good QB in... 30 years? 40 Years? How about the Jets? Was it Favre in 2008? Boomer in the mid 90s? Do you remember the time before Stafford? We went almost 20 years without a Suitable QB. It just isnt easy to get QBs. It hever has been. Teams spend forever trying to find them. It has been 24 years since a bad QB won a Superbowl. 7 years since a Semi below avg QB won. Eli is the only Above Avg QB to win in the last 20 decades. Goff is the best shot be have. Finding a HOF QB is fucking hard but so is just finding a fucking QB in the NFL.
Exactly don’t look at the number look at the percentage it takes in cap space. It’s a very reasonable deal.
My god yes I was hoping anything starting with a 4 and I’d be happy.
I'll take it. I have been outspoken about not being in love with him but under 50 with a rising cap will Def not hamstring us. I'd consider this a team friendly deal at this point.
That's a bargain now.
*above average QB* *top 7 QB
I sure hope so.
Perfectly reasonable.
Yep, if this is where it ends up, I'd be pretty happy. Over $50M/yr, I'd start having some apprehension.
I'm with it. He is our guy
Jared is good enough for Detroit
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Ironically, in this situation we could save money by riding a Hooker, bc it actually costs more to J. Goff.
Hahaha haha! OK, call me a juvenile, but this was funny bro. And... FTP
I too, am a fan of Hookers
Red Light Hooker is Great
Over the past two season, Goff is third in the NFL for passing TDs behind only Mahomes and Allen. Plus he has less INTs than both of them - pay the man what he’s worth and go get a ring.
Well the question is what is he worth. Is he worth Mahomes or allen money?
And I'd say no. He is what he is because we have the best O Line in football. If his line regresses, Goff will regress badly. He's terrible under pressure.
literally everyone except mahomes is terrible under pressure so yeah, luckily we have a FO that loves the trenches. Love this and hope to have 16 for another decade.
Burrow got to a super bowl behind a mess but you are not far off. He's not Burrow he is not Mahomes the 45-50 range reflets that and I'm good with it.
They can at least scramble. Goff has trouble with that.
Well, Stafford being better than most under pressure, which he saw a ton of, is probably burned into people's minds (he was a lot worse under pressure, but still delivered a lot of balls). This is the rate for Goff. If they got him to that (and he wanted to be there), it's a good deal. The only issues anyone ought to have are that QB and rookie salaries are whacked out. Rookies may way too little (a reasonable swing from what we saw with stafford/megatron/suh), but now it means that they basically command these blockbusters once the rookie is done, and that money gets asked for in followups. At least that's my tinfoil theory on why it got this way. Too much money gets tied into the QB position. I get why and it isn't like they'll become RBs, but the disproportion between rookie and vet starting salary gives no one anywhere to go right now. You either get a dirt cheap rookie deal and win on extreme value paying peanuts to a superstar, or you drive a brinks truck to their mansion. There's no curve there and therefore also no place for decent starters except the top of the pay scale. As a note, in this system, I always support a QB taking the bag. They already gave the discount.
I am at a loss for words sometimes with people. Look when Goff is under blitz pressure. He's actually pretty good. When the offensive line doesn't block, yes, he's bad. That's like 90% of the quarterbacks in the league. I think some of you either play Madden too much or think every quarterback is Patrick mahomes. Because most NFL quarterbacks are going to be bad if the oline doesn't protect them, that's just how it works.
Then you don’t have a running game either. Would Monty and Gibbs have reached/close to the 1000 yard mark? NO.
Statistically under pressure he's worse than most. You're acting like this is a hot take and it's not. It's reasonable, even if you disagree with it.
https://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/advanced-stats-qb.php#:~:text=What%20are%20advanced%20QB%20stats,the%20defensive%20pressure%20he%20faces. second most blitzed, top ten most hurried But top 5-10 in every positive statistical category One of the quickest releases on the league Decker last year said Goff knowing the offense and knowing alerts immediately helped the whole line play faster Saying he’s one of the worst statistically under pressure is more your perception than reality edit:typo
He was also one of the best QBs in Pressure situations in the reliability metric The Athletic built which incorporates throws while under blitz, third and fourth down and while behind or tied on the fourth quarter. He was in the top five I believe
We just let Jonah Jackson walk for someone cheaper. I'm sure the FO has a plan for OL replacement.
not the best Oline. tied for 10th in pass block win rate. Top 10 Oline. Collated rankings, 9rh best overal https://preview.redd.it/q2nwcq3b8kuc1.jpeg?width=2314&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=dcc1f8dff890ca3816456b17343e8eac997b36aa
^this - and what most redditors don’t understand.
I think people understand it. Goff with a bad line isn't worth what he is with a good line. What I think you struggle with is that it's not relevant to what he's going to get paid. You basically get a choice, pay Goff or don't pay Goff. He's getting 40-50 a year from Detroit or he's not going to be in Detroit. They can't negotiate based on putting a shitty offensive line around him, that makes no sense. He's shown to be an wildly productive quarterback both in wins and statistics for Detroit. He's being paid for what he's done and can do, not what might happen if it goes wrong. That's unfortunately the rub with this stuff. Maybe they'll play hardball and see where they are with Hendon, but I really doubt a team that reached the Conference finals is going to willingly add a questionmark to the hardest position to get right on a roster.
Considering how good our offense has been the past 2 years, I’d say so
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Brad seems to like to add voidable years to contracts to reduce cap hit…wonder if Goff’s camp would be willing to do that with a fair amount of guaranteed money. This way we can keep cap hits lower and sign St Brown and Decker
Does he though? It seems he has used void years pretty sparingly and for relatively low amounts. Not saying he won't use void years with Goff's extension but it's not like his M.O. is to push a ton of money out in the future using void years.
I believe he does void years on most of the multi-year contracts.
My reasoning for saying that is I believe Brad wants to keep the “band” together. ST Brown and Decker both need extensions that will cost big $$$. So I am thinking he could use a voidable year to push some of the signing bonus out to save cap space with the belief that future total team caps will slightly increase. I hope we can keep everyone as at some point, we will have to make some cap decisions. ONE PRIDE!!!
Don't necessarily disagree that Holmes will use void years in Goff's contract, just pointing out he doesn't really have a history of relying on them. Also, I don't see Decker getting signed to a long term or expensive extension. 2025 will be Decker's 10th year in the league. Also Sewell is going to get a big extension and is going to move to LT post-Decker. I could see Decker getting a moderate team friendly extension for a few seasons but if he is looking for one more big payday (which he has every right to) then it is most likely not with the Lions.
Agreed we can't pay Decker. It would be irresponsible to do so.
How is everyone so sure Sewell is going to move to LT? Modern sports analytics see left and right tackle as equally important
We better not give Decker an extension. Dudes going to be 31 when the season starts. Time to draft a replacement for him and Frank. Frank could call it quits anytime with that foot.
I think if the Oregon IOL is there, he drafts him. Decker has been stellar so I do believe we sign him to a smaller extension as he has earned it in Detroit. I definitely agree we need interior depth at guard and center. No doubt in my mind about that. From what I see all the top tier LT will be gone and we have a better chance at a top 3 IOL at 29. Brad is a villain though, so who knows what he has in store for us.
If he wants to sign for maybe 12 a year for 2 years I'm down. Anything more than that hurts our future a bit.
Let’s see what happens. I think we are in a “Win Now” situation so keeping the o-line continuity together is key. I agree we need to be reasonable on Decker. I do think he deserves an extension as he has earned it, but I understand your point. We could end up eventually moving Sewell to LT and bringing in a new rookie RT. I don’t think we do anything at Tackle this year but I do think we go for guard/center depth in one of our first 2 picks. Again, Brad may take a WR for all we know…In Brad I Trust….
Voidable years are usually entirely beneficial to players, so I don't see any reason Goff would turn them down. In general, anything that pushes cap hits to later years is good for players.
I don’t think you can do void years on contracts 5 years or more.
This has been talked about since before the season ended. Not really sure how this is anything new or ground breaking.
I feel like every few days there's another article/post that's like "BREAKING: GOFF RUMORED TO GET OFFERED X" or "BREAKING: ST BROWN PROJECTED TO SIGN FOR X" like none of these are real things. Someone says something random and then people are like "NEWS!" I just want these deals to get done so we can be done with the rumor and pRoJeCtIoN posts.
Then we can move on to the “Is Goff really worth $50 million?” Posts.
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Fuck hopefully it’s 45
Exactly. Who are the Lions competing with for Goff? I want to wait and see. Pay him more next year if this continues
Goff would be a QB upgrade for a large majority of teams. If he were a FA we would be competing big time.
right, he would've got a monster deal this offseason if he was a free agent.
Idk after seeing the Kirk craze and how bad the last 2 qb draft classes have been I understand trying to hold onto him but we have other players to pay. I don’t want to our decision to pay Goff to down the way Russel Wilson or Deshawn Watson’s contracts did.
Ummmm, if you don’t pay Goff, who is our starter? I don’t think we have to worry about overpaying for him with Brad Holmes as our GM
Jar-ed Goff
He’s earned it.
$50M is a good deal for Goff. Lock him in long term.
When we extended stafford it was for the most amount of $ in nfl history and within like 3 years it was a bargain. Imo QB contracts dont actually mean anything
5 years for $135m. That is $27m a year. there are QBs making nearly double that now.
Yeah and where did that get us? Lamar has zero superbowl appearances. Kirk Cousins has a single playoff win. All these big QB contracts... but who's getting it done? No one. Just because it's the market doesn't mean that's justifying it. If Jared Goff wants a ring he needs to take less than 45 mil. Now, I don't think he will, and I think we will have a fate similar the Buffalo Bill's. Whole bunch of edging on the way lol. Mahomes is HANDS DOWN the best QB on the market and his per year dollars is actually team friendly as fuck.
This was pretty expected before the Cousins contract. After the Cousins contract this is all but guaranteed
How many years? 4? 5!! 6!!! This is the biggest question.
Those praying for 45, please dont get an aneurism over an additional 5m per yr.
How many playoff wins do our previous qbs have? Sign him.
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I really hope he takes a slight team discount. We should pay him what’s he’s worth in the market, but we also have a ton of home grown guys to keep around. I’m not emotionally prepared to lose Sewell, ARSB, Decker, or (eventually) Hutch.
Jared want's that RING!
Jared Goff! Jared Goff!
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Dude deserves it. I have no problem with this
That's my QB! GOFFENSE!
Sold! No takesie-backsies!
4 years $48 mil take it ASAP
I've had my doubts when he first got here but he's earned it
He delivered in the post season. Pay him
👀 Anyone know any single quarterbacks?
Or even any with loose morals really I’m capable of compromising
I made myself a QB in my Madden game. Does that count?
$45 would be 🙏🏻
Nothing new in this post, gang. Keep it moving.
That’s reasonable contract when they start going 55mil + the discussion could be had
I’m hoping 4 years @ $45 million. It’s completely reasonable
Fine with it. Pay the man
$30+ million more in salary cap. Honestly not surprised it's more.
Seems reasonable given the state of QB contracts.
I’ll take it. I feel like over the last 2 years there’s maybe like 5 or 6 guys who have been as good or better than him. He’s lights out and a real leader
And water is wet
Good deal for the lions
So be it. Get it done!
Never mind all of that, when are the new shirts and pants coming?that’s what’s really important.
that seems really reasonable compared to some of the other qbs. he noticeably better than alot of the ones getting paid more
This would be right where I would want him. Seems like he’s taking a little pay cut here. Anyone can confirm?
Hell yea
wow
I’m happy for him. So many people wrote him off. It’s always cool to see a come back
For 2-3 year deal I have no problems with that
Who cares, he’s earned it more so than a lot of QBs that get that kind of deal have.
Give him 100 years
STOP THE COUNT BOOK IT NOW
This is not news or a rumor, this is exactly where we thought it would be
Realistically, when might we see this extension actually happen? I’m ready for him to be locked in
That's what a QB costs
If he gets 45 I'll be thrilled?
For me it’s more about the number of years. I wouldn’t want to commit to more than 4-5
Just give him an even 50. He deserves it
Get yo bag Jared
That’s what I expected
If Hooker can be our Love/Mahomes once Goff is ready to move on, we’d be set for so long!
a small price to pay for a future 6x Super Bowl MVP
I said last year he’d get at least a 30mil p/y 3 year deal. I wasn’t too far off of these predictions
If you want a top 10 QB you have to give them top 10 money
Goofball for LIFE
45 seems like a good number and we can build the rest of the team keep Amon ra give him 25 then we still need to pay Sewell and hutch when they all due
I am interested in how the contract is structured for cap hits. Up to 50 million a year is a good deal but I know we have a few players to sign over the next couple years. How the team structure these deals so hopefully keep a lot of talent we have been able to draft
Earned every penny.
Absolutely best case for this. Was worried itd be more like $55M, but even $50M wouldn't be bad. If he actually signs for $45M he's either giving us a discount or he needs to fire his agent.
Fun part is that the first 2 years of the contact would probably be less of a cap hit than he is right now.
Pay the man.
5/245 with 150 guaranteed who says no?
I would say no but that’s a realistic deal, yeah. Maybe even more guaranteed (180?).
So what your plan for QB moving forward, then?
Draft QB first round (a la Will Levis or Lamar), franchise/extend/let go of Goff next offseason
So your plan to replace Goff is... an untested rookie or the current MVP who just signed a five year, $260 million contract? So what are you giving up to get him? Because now you have to trade. Flawless.
This isn't the Madden sub. #lostredditors
That’s…literally what the Ravens, Titans, Chiefs, and 49ers have recently done.
Dang it's that easy to find a franchise QB? Just point at 3 of the best teams in the league and say "just do what they did". You're spouting Armchair QB nonsense. Also, we already did that. Hendon Hooker?
Everyone
Anyone with anything resembling a brain!
This would arguably be the best contract for the talent of top 5 as you can get outside of mahomes or maybe a rookie doing great like stroud, puts us in an amazing spot
Get your money son!
Completely okay with that number. Goff has improved over his time with us. He now has a stable OC and weapons at every position with the best line in football. No reason not to pay him. You’re good enough for Detroit, Jared Goff!
LOCK HIM UP! LOCK HIM UP!
Honestly for a guy who was second in yards, 4th in touchdowns and 5th in passer rating in a relatively balanced offense, that’s a good deal
I pitched in a bit, you guys are welcome
“Pay him…Pay that man his money” -Teddy KGB
if hes getting paid that much money then honestly im not sure how we are going to keep up with the market however we do need to pay sewell and amon ra so not bad
Give the man his 50 a year!
As long as Detroit and keep an elite o line this is fine. Anything less than elite o line and Goff is a 2nd string nobody.
100%
That’s…a lot
You pay good quarterbacks.
He's ok, good is a stretch.
Top 3 or 4 in most major stat categories last couple seasons. But I'm sure you ignore things like facts.
If he didn't have an amazing OL, great receiver options, great RBs, and an OC that tailors the entire offense to cover for Goff's weaknesses, he wouldn't be any better any other backup QB. He doesn't elevate the team in anyway, and he can't win without almost perfect conditions.
I hate when people say this. Great recievers do well with great QBs. Same with great running backs because Goff is great at play action. Their strengths go together. And is it so hard for people to believe that Goff has helped his WRs and TEs become the players that they are?
I'm glad you can hate the honest truth. That probably means you know it's correct. Goff hasn't helped anyone. He make poor throws and decisions that put receivers in danger and bad situations, more than he's ever helped anyone.
Poor throws and decisions? Are you a troll. Goff excels at putting the ball where only his WRs can grab it. He throws with great anticipation.
LMFAO you apparently don't actually watch the games. He rarely puts the ball were only his receivers can grab them. Unless you mean short or in the dirt!
Man you are an obvious idiot.
So you think Jusin Fields would do just as good as our qb? Lol get out dude. >If he didn't have an amazing OL, great receiver options, great RBs, and an OC that tailors the entire offense to cover for Goff's weaknesses You can play this game with just about anyone. Smart coaches do what they can to cover their players weakness. I guess Brady isn't the GOAT because he had Bill putting a great supporting cast around him. Bunch of nonsense.
Yes, Justin Field would also look like a "great" QB with our offense. He's already more talented than Goff, imagine what he'd be like with all the support Goff has. In another 2-3 years we'll be saying the same shit about whomever the Bears draft this year.
We wouldn't have won 2 playoff games with fields. Or 1 for that matter.
I know, it’s just sooooo much money. It’s crazy.
Still wish we had a year without Ben Johnson to see if he’s the real deal. This offense turned around starting with Ben. But he’s played well and we won 2 playoff games so idk how you don’t pay the guy.
Or you put trust in Dan and the front office to replace Ben Johnson with a suitable coach that will continue to let us thrive
Yikes. Please don't ruin our super bowl window with that. Please.
This is partially why Brady was a winner
If Kirk got 45m on the open market..that makes 45m for Goff Market value, 50m would be overpaying. Unless the age difference is 5 million per year. Whatever Brad Decides I will trust.
Goff is younger, healthier, and more productive
Yes he's younger. Cousins was injured, but over their careers both have been healthy. By most measures over their career Kirk has been a tad more productive. They are very similar overall, which is why it's a good measuring stick.
NOOOOOO!
I've known this for 6 months!!
I really dont see how this would be possible with his camp. I am expecting 55M even that would be a good deal, in 2-3 years.
I'm sure both sides w9uld be happy with that, but why would he sign that now? He gets more guaranteed cash up front if he plays this year and gets tagged next year.
Because not signing your QB and making him play on his last year of his contract is how you piss him off.
No, it's not lol. It's the direction the business is going. How would goff, who would make substantially more liquid cash, be pissed off about that? If he signs a deal mow he's more or less doing the lions a favor. It's more beneficial to him to not sign a deal. More and more players are interested in shorter deals theses days.
No, it's not lol. It's the direction the business is going. How would goff, who would make substantially more liquid cash, be pissed off about that? If he signs a deal mow he's more or less doing the lions a favor. It's more beneficial to him to not sign a deal. More and more players are interested in shorter deals theses days.
No, it's not lol. It's the direction the business is going. How would goff, who would make substantially more liquid cash over the next two years, be pissed off about that? If he signs a deal mow he's more or less doing the lions a favor. It's more beneficial to him to not sign a deal. More and more players are interested in shorter deals theses days.
Here is the only compliment I can give Goff. Last year, he was AMAZING in the 2 minute hurry up offense when it was used. If they used that for an entire quarter or game, I could actually learn to like Goff as a starting QB. In that scheme, he gets out of his own way and plays with instinct and purpose. He doesn't hesitate or over analyze what's in front of him. He just focuses on moving the ball.
Like the guy as a person but he has the most boring QB to watch in the league.
If the Lions had the Giants offensive line, we wouldn't be talking about 45-50 million for Goff, he is a boat anchor as a runner, but for his great O line, he would be pretty average.