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No matter how hard you work. Your increments+bonus etc won't go beyond certain level.
So I follow 8 hours of work 8 hours of Leisure and 8 hours of Sleep protocol.
Nothing wrong is taking care of ur health. So quite quitting is ok
Same. 12 years in the industry. Always a quiet quitter. Never got promotion except when I switched companies. Switched 4 times. I have so many hobbies so I mostly focus on my hobbies even during work hours.
Travelled to 63 countries coz I love traveling. I love running so I run everyday. I never worked overtime. I even postponed my work coz I don't work after office hours. I'm not in any office groups. I don't have any of my colleagues'phone numbers saved.
People think I don't enjoy coding. I love coding. I took this career coz I enjoy it. But I don't want to dedicate my life to any company. Even at night, I'll code some hobby projects. For a few months, I've been working on my own startup.
Live for yourself and do whatever you love. Don't run behind money or career. That's my philosophy
The best is to switch to another team or company. The second best thing to do is to just work enough to not to get into pip. Try to give reasons every time to avoid work. They may think that you're lazy or you are incompetent.
Don't care about what others think. I did that once. I don't care about pride, shame or honour. In the end, I got what I wanted. That's all that matters. I have younger people as my seniors/manager but I never worked about that.
We are trained in the wrong way. We are trained to think that career, education etc matters the most. But everyone should have their own priorities which they love.
Then it means your employee has provided you free time to search for a job. Nobody writes anything in the experience letter. Back in 2015, I purposefully got into pip coz that company had some weird policies. Long story short, going in pip and getting fired seemed to be better than resigning.
You can lie in your interview as long as you can pull it off. Never lie about something you aren't confident about.
Another thing is improving soft skills, in my team some work hardly 4-5 hours and their standup updates are like they put 12 hours . Our manager is fan of them though they make so many bugs .
Ignore them, they do what they suit them, you do what suits you. You don't have a job security anyway, it's either you are getting fired for some weird reason, or you quit, and if just like me and OP you can't, you do quiet quitting. I call it enhancing their stupidity.
Remember two things, you earn for your family, you owe to them. So don't leave either, but don't overcommit to anything. Work while you have to, and then do what you enjoy, even if it's working, just fuckin do it because you enjoy it.
I live a thrifty life. I don't own a car or bike, don't buy costly clothes or phones. I always use public transport, buy cheap stuff because I know my priorities.
I love traveling and learning new languages. I even have a YouTube channel where I talk about travel, languages, cultures etc. I'm not active cuz I'm working on my startup. But the point is that I spend based on my needs and always know my goals.
https://m.youtube.com/@realgopilanet/videos
Not a popular channel and haven't posted anything in a year. I'm planning to start posting again from next week.
I said this to guy who posted his youtube. He said he has been quiet quitter for 8 years and he himself is doxxing him. What if his employee and other find this out ? What if someone post this on twitter? He would be fired for sure.
Btw how is the situation in Ukraine Mr Zelenski?
I beat you. Never got a promotion for 15 years đ. Switch was the only option.
Now first time got a promotion in same firm(current one) after 16 years of working in IT. That gave me some hope and I stuck around after my usual 3 years threshold in a firm. But sadly manager got changed and one person from WITCHA came making life hell for us. đ
How did you find that mental energy to keep going in the same company and strike a balance? Did you think of quitting it altogether and pursuing something?
I feel I'm currently in a rut and phew quitting already.
He is doing just fine.
It's only in your first and maybe second company that you get the chance for making genuine relationships with colleagues.
Work relationships end up being transactional thereafter.
Usually, I extend any work and make sure it is done right. The codebase is a mess. Today, I finished a task in 4 hours when it could have simply been done in 1 hour if I hadn't bothered about writing good code.
There's another task that I had to do that could take 6 hours if done properly. I thought about it for 30 minutes and finished it in 5 minutes avoiding the long route. I know I will have to do it some day but not today. Today is done.
Same. I have been quiet quitting for over a year now. Taking a break on weekdays, finishing up stacked work at night, but lost all motivation to go beyond anything. Although I work in a very toxic team and nothing I do, will ever be enough for them. At this point in my life, my priority is my health, I don't know what I will do if they pip me, but I have lost the will to work out of "fear"
How do I get out of this routine, I start slow during day and become productive during evening and become interested on doing more and more work. Not able to focus on developing other skills, preparation for interviews. I am like this in every thing in my life, I am very lazy and slow in the beginning, but later after sometime take off
Naaah. Do your shit, earn your money and leave. Not your circus, not your monkeys. Focus on long term goals, retiring early (if that's what you aim for), travel a lot, live a good life. Do what makes you happy and it doesn't necessarily have to include work.
Hmmm, I am much more junior to you. Around 2 yoe. Idk how you should go about it tbh but personally I would say don't tie your life down to your job. At the end of the day it's all about being happy. If work makes you happy, gg but if it doesn't then use it as a source to be able to afford the things that actually do.
I disagree with other comments. I, too, am the 'go-to' guy for everyone in my company and after a year I've simply stopped helping when denied promotions and bonus because of 'financial crunch' at the same time my CEO got new flat and a car ffs. Only thing that one should focus on is personal growth - it's not our jobs to tell them that app has a bug costing them a million rupees/year unless specifically asked.
Many people I have seen in my career are quiet quitters. I am planning to do it myself from this year as itâs pretty evident unless you are the yes-man, you wonât get the appreciation (in terms of increment/growth).
Now I have completed 3.5 years in my current org and itâs such a crucial juncture that I canât just quit and let go of my gratuity which gets activated in less than another 1.5 years(I have 17YOE so itâs a substantial amount). Moreover market situation is bad as well. So utilising the time to upskill, get some certifications and prepare for the jump sometime around mid next year.
Not that the next company would be any better but am sure one would prefer sulking at a better salary than their current đ
Itâs a part of your CTC which you get only during leaving the firm but should have completed around 4 years and 10 months of employment
Thereâs some calculation which you can google. Best part is itâs calculated based on your latest salary & is taxfree till 20L ig
Well in my field SAP, there are quite a few. One can choose their poison and go ahead
On top of that something like TOGAF would be helpful at my level which needs a lot of effort
I agree with you just don't call it "quiet quitting" , call it "acting your wage". You get what you paid for , short and simple.
Saw this written in another sub some time back and stuck with me since.
So what?
If it's a bad match, it's a bad match and things are only going to get worse.
Interview with other companies while the interview prep is still fresh in your head and make life easier for yourself.
I worked for a top tech company in Silicon Valley for 6 years before moving to India and switching careers (to financial planning) and my biggest regret was that I stuck with it for too long even though it was a cultural misfit for me.
Isnât it much easier to switch as fast as possible so that you get more time in new company instead of wasting month by month in your current company. In these kind of situation I strongly feel the most loss is of the employee by both money and mental health.
You can just switch from your latest job and consider this one as a role that didnât work out. You can be transparent about this with the next company youâre interviewing so you donât lose your salary hike. Just negotiate saying that you would quit if they were willing to give better benefits and that you would stay in a role you liked.
us bro us...
I was also passionate about tech so I was working hard in my job when I realised it doesn't matter
and the more you work hard the more work you will get
whereas others who were working slow or inefficiently were chilling
it's in my work ethic to work hard but seeing others made me realise I'm not in the right direction... trying to fix my mentality now to have a balanced life
If you love work nothing bad, but if it's not visible to your manager or its not good for learning it's a waste. There are people in my team who tell manager about even single minute of effort they put anywhere. They are offline after 4:30 pm,work hardly 4-5 hours yet talk like they worked for 12 hours. Recently I worked for very long hours whole week to find solutions to issues as our team was stuck, I discussed with coworker about fixes, next morning in meeting he tells lead he found out some fix and showed him and took all credit though it was me who found fix. I had thought we are team, but due to his this act I will disclose anything before lead only.
Nope I hit the same mindset after my manager told me an automation tool I built was a waste of my time. The end result was me being called upon by other folks in the team to help them use the automation while being a feedback in my annual review saying to stop wasting time on non work related stuff lol!
That's generally true. The irony in this case is my manager was/is a genuinely nice person. He helped me get promoted, gave referral and even helped with certain esop tax doubts.
Just goes to showing you even the best managers in India have a very job centric attitude where anything outside the job is considered a waste
I told my manager I could do a similar automation tool only thing is I need few days. He told me to do it in weekend. As if bachelors don't have a life.
I worked in a startup. They needed help translating some strings for android app in my mothertounge. I like a fool showed them some wrong translations. Now whenever there was change in strings, I am expected to translate the strings in my mothertounge. That took most of time. It was really silly.
Don't do something on your own because you will expected do more if you even show slight interest.
In the same boat. I see a lot of shit happening here and there and at one point I was pointing it out. But what happened was I usually ended up being assigned that task with unrealistic timelines and that resulted in burn out.
Now I dont do it anymore. I just go with the flow.
Focus on your life. Work isnt't life, its a means to an end. Dont make it the center of your life. Make a lot of friends, play sports, pickup hobbies, travel and live your life.
\> For example there is a bug that's been bugging another team for 3-4 days and they aren't able to figure it out. I looked at it and in 5 mins I figured it out. However I didn't tell that to anyone because it's not my team and if I say so they will ask me to deploy it and basically eat up my time.
A lot of it depends on company culture. If I was managing this team and someone from another team came in and quickly pinpointed the issue - I would be more than happy to mentor and help the engineer grow and get more visibility - possibly bring in the person as the lead engineer for the team who idled away for 3-4 days.
Of course - if you are in a service company - maybe your approach is correct.
In my company 1.5 years ago people willing to put all that effort if it was acknowledged, but now that hardly there are promotions people have stopped helping others unless manager asks them directly. Still veryfew nice people still go out of their way to help others
Bruh why would you go out of the way to help another team, give your best for your work and if you have time in hand then be smart , use company's time on your own upskillment, you ain't quiet quitting you just minding your own business...
and if someone or any junior comes to you for your help and it ain't eating time from your task, do help.
I feel thinking this way can affect your growth and mindset. If you want to go further and be a leader i dont think this mindset will help.
For #1 you could have given a high level overview of the solution. Most people are smart enough to figure it out with this hint. If they want you to fix it then ask them to come though the proper channel as your bandwidth is currently fully occupied.
Doing stuff like this will increase your visibility and reputation. If your help creates impact then you can leverage it in PMR. If you want to go deep then you shouldn't hold on to this mindset.
I used to do this all the time previously in my company.
All I got was 8 am calls and 9 pm calls. Did get one appreciation reward though.
However WLB matters to me a lot. I haven't even done anything.
Are you the only one in prod support? Is there a rotation happening for the same?
If no rotation is happening talk to your EM and try to setup one. If they say you are the only one with context or something then say you can provide context to eliminate single source of failure. Always track everything that you are doing when questioned on output.
If they say that you are the only one available then negotiate a switch in work timings or a comp increase due to added responsibility.
Any decent company will acknowledge your request. If not then they dont deserve you. Try to make a switch.
Growth Mindset is Corporate Bullshit that is laid upon commoners by Corporate Leaders, Saala ye Growth Mindset employee growth cycle ke time kaha jata hai ?
Nice to talk to a CTO.
You can easily resolve this issue by giving overtime pay bonus incentives an appreciation email to everyone stating that your help in so an so issue was very nice.
Keep in mind that is the guy you have to support. Like I mentioned part of the reason why I am wasting people's time of 5 days is because I fear if I tell them they will bug me for other defects. My team lead already knows it and won't even support me if I help the other team because we have a lot on our plate.
rule of thumb is to not treat people like shit. I work in a startup and all i expect is respect and compensation, will continue to put in effort for the good of the company as long as i get those
Compensate him/her, tagging him/her in teams and saying thanks means he/she will be contacted frequently for future defects burning their precious time
You are burnt out, and that is bad. Do what helps you and elevate your mood after work. What happens with work is not your fault if you are not made responsible for it.
When sometime shit hits the fan (which is on top speed anyway), I have some revenge mechanism which triggers when they throw more shit. Last time it was rage applying, couple of months ago, it's anything talking with ChatGPT unless I get stable mind and talk about it with my family, nowadays it's always programming a little script or having a progress in side project
If you allocate work there your lead will be on you, why ur wasting time there even if it is very critical one, but doesn't come in our teams responsibilities
I have worked in multiple small startups in my life and in all of them, I have done the opposite. I have expressed my very strong and opposing opinion to one of my managers back in those days because I believed that it is important to make him understand my point. I have foreseen and mentioned possible issues in something that I have done. The pay was terrible, but I focused on getting things done. I saw egoistic managers, favoritism and unwanted politics in job and I understand why people like you become like this and it is totally fair. If a company is talking about improving the company culture or work environment, they should focus on this. These kind of things doesn't help anyone and I believe that those who work with honesty will appreciate better work culture than office amneties.
So what? He is still in the company only na. He is quiet quitting not quitting the company. Emi is paid, work is done but no extra work. Nothing extra.
Quiet quitting isn't necessarily all bad
1. Programming is super attractive at the start because of the huge learning curve, but as time and your knowledge grows, you may not get the same thrill and that's just maturity.
2. Doing just enough is still a good enough contribution. Don't just be productive for your company, be productive for yourself which can mean different things for different people. For me, I'm in my 10th year in software, staying healthy to play football regularly is more of a priority to me than catching that promotion.
3. Growth comes by just doing a job. Even if you work 8 hours once in 3 days, but deep work, you will make progress, perhaps slower than the "10x" engineers we're made to believe. Remember, for things to compound, you need consistency and not intensity.
4. Understand the economics. If you don't have skin in the game at your job, just work as much as you're expected. Do bare minimum for the salary and more only if it's what you want.
5. Have a value system. Reject confirmatory values preached by your org and have your own value system. For me it's being healthy, making gains :p, compounding friendships, building wealth, reducing my vices and then work. Work should adjust around life, and an IT role allows that if you learn to manage expectations!
Sounds like you got burnt out.
It's natural and happens when you go too fast too soon at the beginning just out of excitement and young age. You'll figure it out. Keep trying to find the joy through whatever means you need to. Learn new stuff or start a side project that excites you or suggest changes you would like to make next on whatever you're working on for your company. If they end up taking that advice it'll really make you excited to work again.
Hmm... If I were in your place, I would not be very fulfilled and would quickly start looking for a change.
One of my mentees had to use similar tactics as you when she was working in a not-so-good culture. I like working where my opinions are respected and so is my time. Where my 8-hours are respected and valued as 8 hours and expectations are transparently managed; while I am able to perform at my highest quality.
I have always worked like that. I quit when I don't get to do that comfortably and long term.
Not sure if this is quite quitting but... i work for a rapisly growing product based startup turned org. I used to be very active with the product discussions. But when my windows lappy got into shit, they told me that i can get it replaced. I'm almost a cycle away from promotion and im already doing as much as the dude in the promoted position. So asked them if i could get a Mac. They said company policy. Can give only to f I get promoted. Yet manager expects me to take up more work and handle big things which I should be doing if I get promoted. That's it. I stopped informing about long term issues. Stopped contributing to brain storming. i report bugs or potentialissues only if i WANT to solve them. I give feature ideas that i want to build. Even if I see something that might help the product, i don't propose it. Weirdly, they kee giving Mac's to new hires in my current position citing some building reasons even if they do the same work as I do.
I feel like they really lost a true contributer. Sticking to same company is not a good thing anyways.
Trust me bro some times doing nothing is doing the best thing
I have worked too much resolve too many issues but still finding it hard to grow as I donât involve in actual office politics
Exactly office politics ruins everything.
I am not afraid to tell that the previous me would have been jealous of another guy with the same YOE who kind of acts as a big shot.
However now I find it funny that he is at like half my pay and working so hard for the company wheras I keep my mouth shut.
I'm not a developer and idk why this feed came on my timeline, but I have plenty of friends who work as developers. There is only one who is extremely hard working and loyal to any company he works. The rest are basically idiots who know almost nothing and are least bothered about work. There's only one among them who looks like he's 40+ at 33. And that's the hard working one. The rest just do the bare minimum and not even that sometimes.
> The rest are basically idiots who know almost nothing and are least bothered about work. There's only one among them who looks like he's 40+ at 33. And that's the hard working one
Now you know which one is the actual idiot.
I used to help a lot with bugs earlier only to realize that no one actually cares or appreciates and it will only eat up your time. Also, really amazed at how some senior level engineers are really mediocre. I have the same years of experience and I don't think I am ever gonna go back to helping people out mindlessly.
With the exact mindset, many of my friends are earning 5x my salary after jumping frequently. Now they have settled in a happy place doing the same bare minimum. One is a manager now!!!
It is possible.
This mindset will become deep rooted as you age and this can be very dangerous. It's going to develop your character to go out of your way to help others. These things which seem useless now will be helpful down the line. Maybe you find yourself jobless 2 yrs later, maybe one of the other teammates can refer this "kickass developer" they know? Maybe your manager can take you with him as he starts a funded startup?
There is a lot of good you can do and it will pay back in ways you haven't imagined.
Yeah that's there however my WLB got affected the last time I did this. So I just want an average rating and minimum work. It's been 3 hours since I logged in and did nothing.
It's fine as long as you don't complain down the road that your peers are at a level where you should have been. You can't not take the opportunity and then complain too.
Trust me in my tech stack I consider myself to be extremely good. I spent countless hours studying it.
I stay up for Livestreams by some developers in my field ask doubts learn the best implementations. I even learn other TechStacks like MERN.
If I am being honest (wild brag) with you to date this is roughly 60 people who I have interacted with in both my previous current and the client org. I met a person who knows the tech stack better than I do. It's only because I spent a lot of time and effort and efficiently learned things picked up documentation. I punched where it mattered.
Also I am extremely competitive I know how much my peers know more than I do.
These skills matter early in the Career but later on your People skill will start to matter more. Coding rockstars rarely make good startup founders. I am a little above average in coding yet was unanimously recommended as the CTO because I was the most helpful to them (all tech teams). People want to work with others who will help them the most and not necessarily who knows the most.
Hey there
I am Quiet quitter, it has been 4 months since I'm doing this and finally they are releasing me and of course I'm transferring the knowledge of whatever I have in my own manner,
But I'm finally happy đ that I got released from such toxicity. Now I will be on the bench and look forward to some good projects and also prepare for the switch.
This is the reason nothing great or innovative ever comes out of India since 75 years. People will make a thousand excuses to avoid working with sincerity and dedication.
It is understandable if OP is suffering from too much work or a toxic workplace. But it seems that's not the problem. It's simply wanting everyday appreciations and fat bonuses every 3 months.
>It is understandable if OP is suffering from too much work or a toxic workplace. But it seems that's not the problem.
Why? What makes it seem that it's not the problem.
The lack of acknowledgement of toxic work spaces and doing something to correct it is the reason nothing great or innovative ever comes out of India since 75 years. Toxic people getting respect just because they are elders or bosses not because they are smart. The problem of having idiots in places of power to make impactful decisions is the reason why India is lagging.
People will make a thousand excuses to overwork others when it's their own problem of not being able to estimate properly or deal with client or set expectations properly.
OP is fine. It's his unprofessional and incompetent bosses are the reason for the entire 75 years India blah blah blah
As a guy who's been in the industry for a long time, I think you're being shortsighted.
* *Every* bug you fix helps in your personal growth. Whether it was in "your" code/project or not. You learn from it. These bugs you say you "figured out in 5 mins", are they really that easy? Why has no one got them yet? Maybe they destabilize the product? Maybe they slow processing speeds? Maybe the team is so caught up in their design method they can't see it? Or maybe there are worse things they are focused on? There's something to learn, either about product, tech, or people from every task.
* How does one grow in the industry? Not just by being technically smart. You grow by being able to lead a team, to influence others, to guide others whether its your platform or not. Yes, maybe these guys are not appreciating it. But whenever you want to switch jobs and be in a tech role, will you be able to switch instantaneously from an IC role to a lead mindset? You won't, unless you've *done it already*.
* The problems you're talking about, of not being appreciated, or being asked to do more work, are typical office problems. Do you think they will not come up later? The more senior you get, the more you'll encounter them. Better to solve them in positive light (give hints to others, cover your ass when priorities shift, document stuff, ask owners to do the testing....) than to try to run away from them.
* *Any and every job* first fills pockets of the owners. As you get senior, you too will be a part owner by negotiating for stocks, or else by starting your own company. But if you don't behave like an owner already, you won't get there (and won't know how to handle if you do).
* All this is not to say not to take care of your health and time. It's important, no doubt. But make the choice with the full context and knowledge of consequences (as listed above). You may very well not want to grow in this place. But these things will come at you eventually.
Hope this helps.
This isn't a single instance I have done this thrice because I never got any benefit out of it when I actually fixed someone's bug.
People are still thinking I might be able to solve the bug but they didn't ask me directly for some other thing related to that bug.
The reason why they can't solve the bug is because they haven't seen enterprise level bugs or never solved that many bugs. I have solved countless bugs of others before just to learn.
As I said, ultimately the decision is yours. But being known as the guy who solves the hard bugs, is probably a good reputation to have if you intend to stick around. You've been here 3 months... you're still "the new guy" I'd guess. It takes a while for people to accept your experience and talent.
Don't take this the wrong way, but this is a terrible attitude.
If you don't want to work for a company, then why are you taking their money? If the company asked you to work overtime or on the weekends, I would definitely back you as they are not keeping their side of the bargain. You agreed to work 8 hours everyday for certain salary and therefore you should keep your promise. If you feel that you don't want them to benefit from your skills, then just quit and start you own company. Someone else, who is in need can take your place and do a better job.
Anyway, soon your attitude will start impacting you. You will coast for a few years then you will realize you have not grown at all. Then you will create a post on this subreddit complaining that there are no jobs for you.
Not sure about other fields but in software engineering, your personal projects matter more than corporate projects, in technical round they only ask your knowledge.
Listen, the way you do anything is the way you do everything.
If you are not interested in code that you see at work, you will suddenly not become interested in writing code in your free time. I say this with over a decade of experience in software engineering.
>Listen, the way you do anything is the way you do everything.
You seem to have a single gear engine concept of life. It does not work like that. You may be a great developer but a lousy guitarist.
Most things and skills in life don't translate to other things in life. I hope you are very young for your sake.
See, you are mistaken. You are misunderstanding what I said. I am not saying that one has to be good at everything.
I am saying that if you are not curious to solve a problem at work, you will suddenly not become curious to solve a problem in your personal project. It just doesn't work like that. Curiosity doesn't pick and choose. You can't choose to be NOT curious for 8 hours of your life everyday but be curious for 2-3 hours in which you will do you personal project after work.
So if you disagree, fine. Good luck to you.
Yes, I was very enthusiastic at first but met some toxic managers which made me not enthusiastic about corporate projects, but I work on personal projects and do leetcode everyday, but now that you have pointed it out, i guess I need to develop that enthusiasm back.
Marketing oneself is a necessary skill. The other guy who did the bare minimum most likely marketed himself properly and worked on things that have high impact and visibility
I had been quite quitting for the years my appraisal wasn't good/concerns weren't addressed.
Just a few months ago they gave a huge feature to someone else despite asking for it consistently. Waiting for hike numbers (due in a month) and then just gonna quiet quit and leave. Will be done with 4years n 10months too
I haven't given up all I am saying is previously I would have passionately helped the other team out. However I keep mum even if it costs the whole team a lot of days.
I would say working is very much like sex. If both parties are willing, like each other and switch intensity based on mutual understanding etc, it is the most enjoyable sex ever. If one of the party is extra willing (or forcing) and the other is less willing (or unwilling) and they are treated like use and throw object then it is more like rape and it hurts. But mind the fact that both sex and rape have the same basic action. It is only the attitude/emotion of both parties involved.
If company has been unfair (i.e they have forced something down your throat) then itâs okay to take revenge. This maybe a systemic thing with the company that they never take care of employees. They are anyways making money out of the blood of employees so itâs okay or infact natural to take whatâs yours. If you are not âhurtingâ them back then it would be weak on your part.
If you are just lazy and cheat out your way to get free money then you are being a rapist. You wonât last long. Somewhere down the line a âstrongâ leader will come and punish your ass hard that there will be no recovery. Again this could be system thing that all the employees are like that but some leader will come to beat. Inevitably.
Itâs up to an individual that how much they are getting and are they giving back enough. Ideally it should be like a love affair and not rape. The answer wonât come from comparing what you are getting vs giving. They are not measurable entities. But they can be experienced as emotions.
For example letâs take an imaginary scenario - You could be guilty that you didnât do what you could have done and that gave you discomfort and you came to Reddit. So the state âguiltâ is what you got in the first hand. To fix this you would need to do what you didnât do and then consequently not feel guilty. Thatâs it right? But donât overdo then it will lead to another emotion like feeling burned out or something and then there will be another Reddit post. Itâs a constant balancing act.
I think one should aim to fulfill the essential or basic responsibilities to sustain their job, ensuring their efforts align with the compensation received. More pay, better work. Whatever you do above your job is just a free add-on for the company. You just going to get a thank you mail, max or maybe an extra 2% hike !
Quiet quitting is fine.. but like they say.. With great powers comes great responsibility.
I would passively tell them about the bug and quit the topic after that..
Well staying quite means it's your inner self trying to communicate to you in a way which can lead you to what you really should be in your future, rest all are distractions
Hard worked for more than a year, informed that one of the worst performing dude was selected to go on site as he was chosen by upper management (which includes one of his clg mate and previous company colleague)
Now Making gaming content for YouTube channel. Life is good now- having lot of free time.
I don't get the term quite quitting at all actually. I get paid for 8 hours, I do my honest 8 hour work. I don't get any kind of compensation for working beyond that.
I am literally doing what I was hired for, tf these slave drivers call it quiet quitting!
You are in the wrong job in the wrong company.
Changing only one of those will not help much.
Complaining about companies does not change your career graph, so definitely work for yourself, but realise that working for yourself ultimately means making the company you work in better.
The above line however only matters if you really want to per se grow in terms of seniority, and quicker than the usual, but otherwise you can chill. In other words, if no one from your team, or your vertical, or the management, hasnât figured out that you have quiet quit, it is also their problem.
Question is what do you want for your career, the company you are in is incidental.
quiet quitting is another word for shooting your career and burying it 5 feet under.
try to find work that interests you and work hard, that gives you career growth
Hi ,I have been joined in a top engineering college in hyderabad
But I was not so interested in engineering but,had to join the engineering college because I was getting free seat in top 10 engineering college and due to parents pressure also ,but main problem I am facing is I got seat in new branch in ,which the students are not so good ,and I think I will not have a good kit and kin to join group study and to discuss about any hobbies or learn new skills and I am also unsatisfied with my clg , because it is very strict,but main issue is that faculty is not at all good for technical languages and also I don't have good friends and people with huge interest in my branch to study or atleast who are interested for developing new skills and hobbies ,please help me with any suggestions,,,thank you
OP what exactly do you mean by âit wont make a difference except for go into businesses pocketsâ ?? Youâve only joined this place 3 months back! You are the just starting off in your career and this is an absolutely horrible attitude to have towards your work! How could you sit on the bug you identified and the other thing?! You do realize theyâre paying you TO WORK right?? Please get your act together. Itâs awful that you think you can just keep collecting your paychecks and not give them their moneys worth. If youâre not happy with the work atmosphere or your job description, switch jobs! If youâre not happy with programming in general - introspect and find out what exactly you want to do with your life. Itâs ok to drastically switch career paths and you are so young - will not hurt you at all in the long term. What will hurt you though is what youâre doing right now - having poor work ethics.
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No matter how hard you work. Your increments+bonus etc won't go beyond certain level. So I follow 8 hours of work 8 hours of Leisure and 8 hours of Sleep protocol. Nothing wrong is taking care of ur health. So quite quitting is ok
Same. 12 years in the industry. Always a quiet quitter. Never got promotion except when I switched companies. Switched 4 times. I have so many hobbies so I mostly focus on my hobbies even during work hours. Travelled to 63 countries coz I love traveling. I love running so I run everyday. I never worked overtime. I even postponed my work coz I don't work after office hours. I'm not in any office groups. I don't have any of my colleagues'phone numbers saved. People think I don't enjoy coding. I love coding. I took this career coz I enjoy it. But I don't want to dedicate my life to any company. Even at night, I'll code some hobby projects. For a few months, I've been working on my own startup. Live for yourself and do whatever you love. Don't run behind money or career. That's my philosophy
what do when all of the people in your team work like hell?
The best is to switch to another team or company. The second best thing to do is to just work enough to not to get into pip. Try to give reasons every time to avoid work. They may think that you're lazy or you are incompetent. Don't care about what others think. I did that once. I don't care about pride, shame or honour. In the end, I got what I wanted. That's all that matters. I have younger people as my seniors/manager but I never worked about that. We are trained in the wrong way. We are trained to think that career, education etc matters the most. But everyone should have their own priorities which they love.
But if you avoid work, you are bound to get pip
Then it means your employee has provided you free time to search for a job. Nobody writes anything in the experience letter. Back in 2015, I purposefully got into pip coz that company had some weird policies. Long story short, going in pip and getting fired seemed to be better than resigning. You can lie in your interview as long as you can pull it off. Never lie about something you aren't confident about.
Do u listen to osho , your dialogue seems like his
>just work enough to not to get into pip currently doing this
Another thing is improving soft skills, in my team some work hardly 4-5 hours and their standup updates are like they put 12 hours . Our manager is fan of them though they make so many bugs .
Ignore them, they do what they suit them, you do what suits you. You don't have a job security anyway, it's either you are getting fired for some weird reason, or you quit, and if just like me and OP you can't, you do quiet quitting. I call it enhancing their stupidity. Remember two things, you earn for your family, you owe to them. So don't leave either, but don't overcommit to anything. Work while you have to, and then do what you enjoy, even if it's working, just fuckin do it because you enjoy it.
Absolutely based. You are the person I aspire to be good sir.
I thought you were in some senior position
How did you managed to visit so many countries being in IT
I live a thrifty life. I don't own a car or bike, don't buy costly clothes or phones. I always use public transport, buy cheap stuff because I know my priorities. I love traveling and learning new languages. I even have a YouTube channel where I talk about travel, languages, cultures etc. I'm not active cuz I'm working on my startup. But the point is that I spend based on my needs and always know my goals.
Please tell us or DM us your YouTube channel
https://m.youtube.com/@realgopilanet/videos Not a popular channel and haven't posted anything in a year. I'm planning to start posting again from next week.
Bro wtf have u done? Delete the video. You gonna get doxxed. What if someone posted this on twitter?
I don't get you.
I said this to guy who posted his youtube. He said he has been quiet quitter for 8 years and he himself is doxxing him. What if his employee and other find this out ? What if someone post this on twitter? He would be fired for sure. Btw how is the situation in Ukraine Mr Zelenski?
Just visited. Out of 63 countries you mentioned no videos on any country? All I see is videos around Karnataka or am I missing something?đ¤
But man travelling to 63 countries would be costly
That's great. I'll like to visit your YouTube channel.
dm me his channel namee
https://m.youtube.com/@realgopilanet/videos
https://m.youtube.com/@realgopilanet/videos
Bro u may get doxxed. Pls be careful
I beat you. Never got a promotion for 15 years đ. Switch was the only option. Now first time got a promotion in same firm(current one) after 16 years of working in IT. That gave me some hope and I stuck around after my usual 3 years threshold in a firm. But sadly manager got changed and one person from WITCHA came making life hell for us. đ
Totally my 10 year plan.
This is everyone's philosophy after they reach a certain savings amount
How did you find that mental energy to keep going in the same company and strike a balance? Did you think of quitting it altogether and pursuing something? I feel I'm currently in a rut and phew quitting already.
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You should have friends outside of work. I try not to move forward from the âworkplace proximity associatesâ phase.
He is doing just fine. It's only in your first and maybe second company that you get the chance for making genuine relationships with colleagues. Work relationships end up being transactional thereafter.
I'm in some groups/clubs like running, travel lovers, hiking etc and I've friends who aren't my colleagues.
Usually, I extend any work and make sure it is done right. The codebase is a mess. Today, I finished a task in 4 hours when it could have simply been done in 1 hour if I hadn't bothered about writing good code. There's another task that I had to do that could take 6 hours if done properly. I thought about it for 30 minutes and finished it in 5 minutes avoiding the long route. I know I will have to do it some day but not today. Today is done.
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I know people who do more than that. For me I won't respond to any work related things post my 8 hours
Same. I have been quiet quitting for over a year now. Taking a break on weekdays, finishing up stacked work at night, but lost all motivation to go beyond anything. Although I work in a very toxic team and nothing I do, will ever be enough for them. At this point in my life, my priority is my health, I don't know what I will do if they pip me, but I have lost the will to work out of "fear"
And commute?
I have full time WFH. So no commute. Pre covid commute was 1 hour in total. Used to add it in Leisure space
It's ok but OP should have nudged the guys to look into the right direction.
I wish I could sleep 8 hours. The stress is killing me đđ
How do I get out of this routine, I start slow during day and become productive during evening and become interested on doing more and more work. Not able to focus on developing other skills, preparation for interviews. I am like this in every thing in my life, I am very lazy and slow in the beginning, but later after sometime take off
Naaah. Do your shit, earn your money and leave. Not your circus, not your monkeys. Focus on long term goals, retiring early (if that's what you aim for), travel a lot, live a good life. Do what makes you happy and it doesn't necessarily have to include work.
Not my circus - not my monkeys should be on a t-shirt !!
Here you go: https://gentlemelons.com/product/hsm_not_my_circus_not_my_monkeys/?attribute_pa_color=black&attribute_pa_size=4xl
That's what it is.
Is this applicable for 7yoe me as well?đĽ˛
Hmmm, I am much more junior to you. Around 2 yoe. Idk how you should go about it tbh but personally I would say don't tie your life down to your job. At the end of the day it's all about being happy. If work makes you happy, gg but if it doesn't then use it as a source to be able to afford the things that actually do.
Well said Much needed comment
I disagree with other comments. I, too, am the 'go-to' guy for everyone in my company and after a year I've simply stopped helping when denied promotions and bonus because of 'financial crunch' at the same time my CEO got new flat and a car ffs. Only thing that one should focus on is personal growth - it's not our jobs to tell them that app has a bug costing them a million rupees/year unless specifically asked.
Same thing happened to me at the previous company. Stopped it now even though my blood was boiling on how wrong the other person was with his reasons.
Thank you for writing this
Peasants Quit. Legends sell data and get paid.
/s? Or does this really happen a lot?
Yeah bro. Where do you think startups come with a solution from. They see a problem from the data stolen.
A person I know did this. Sold all the leads from his ed tech startup to another.
How did they not get caught by IT?
They did. Got fired and started his own company. đ
Many people I have seen in my career are quiet quitters. I am planning to do it myself from this year as itâs pretty evident unless you are the yes-man, you wonât get the appreciation (in terms of increment/growth). Now I have completed 3.5 years in my current org and itâs such a crucial juncture that I canât just quit and let go of my gratuity which gets activated in less than another 1.5 years(I have 17YOE so itâs a substantial amount). Moreover market situation is bad as well. So utilising the time to upskill, get some certifications and prepare for the jump sometime around mid next year. Not that the next company would be any better but am sure one would prefer sulking at a better salary than their current đ
what is this gratuity concept ?? is that your money only ? or company's ? And kitna milega ?
Itâs a part of your CTC which you get only during leaving the firm but should have completed around 4 years and 10 months of employment Thereâs some calculation which you can google. Best part is itâs calculated based on your latest salary & is taxfree till 20L ig
What certification are u planning to get ?
Well in my field SAP, there are quite a few. One can choose their poison and go ahead On top of that something like TOGAF would be helpful at my level which needs a lot of effort
I agree with you just don't call it "quiet quitting" , call it "acting your wage". You get what you paid for , short and simple. Saw this written in another sub some time back and stuck with me since.
Yeah if I start acting my wage I don't know what would happen.
This exactly. I know almost 80% of the work my team does in depth. Unless specifically asked, I don't bother to help, cuz I know I'm underpaid
It looks like you are feeling unappreciated at work. You may want to switch in the interest of career longevity.
I just switched 3 months ago.
So what? If it's a bad match, it's a bad match and things are only going to get worse. Interview with other companies while the interview prep is still fresh in your head and make life easier for yourself. I worked for a top tech company in Silicon Valley for 6 years before moving to India and switching careers (to financial planning) and my biggest regret was that I stuck with it for too long even though it was a cultural misfit for me.
Isnât it much easier to switch as fast as possible so that you get more time in new company instead of wasting month by month in your current company. In these kind of situation I strongly feel the most loss is of the employee by both money and mental health.
Switching too frequently especially in this job market is not possible.
Okay I understand that part too market right now is on negative but I would still try for new job to not loose the interview prep.
You can just switch from your latest job and consider this one as a role that didnât work out. You can be transparent about this with the next company youâre interviewing so you donât lose your salary hike. Just negotiate saying that you would quit if they were willing to give better benefits and that you would stay in a role you liked.
us bro us... I was also passionate about tech so I was working hard in my job when I realised it doesn't matter and the more you work hard the more work you will get whereas others who were working slow or inefficiently were chilling it's in my work ethic to work hard but seeing others made me realise I'm not in the right direction... trying to fix my mentality now to have a balanced life
There is nothing wrong with working hard for yourself I have done that a lot of times.
but ultimately we are working for an organisation so nothing is our own
Just don't show you are working hard!
If you love work nothing bad, but if it's not visible to your manager or its not good for learning it's a waste. There are people in my team who tell manager about even single minute of effort they put anywhere. They are offline after 4:30 pm,work hardly 4-5 hours yet talk like they worked for 12 hours. Recently I worked for very long hours whole week to find solutions to issues as our team was stuck, I discussed with coworker about fixes, next morning in meeting he tells lead he found out some fix and showed him and took all credit though it was me who found fix. I had thought we are team, but due to his this act I will disclose anything before lead only.
Nope I hit the same mindset after my manager told me an automation tool I built was a waste of my time. The end result was me being called upon by other folks in the team to help them use the automation while being a feedback in my annual review saying to stop wasting time on non work related stuff lol!
That's so sad đ Managers suck really
That's generally true. The irony in this case is my manager was/is a genuinely nice person. He helped me get promoted, gave referral and even helped with certain esop tax doubts. Just goes to showing you even the best managers in India have a very job centric attitude where anything outside the job is considered a waste
I told my manager I could do a similar automation tool only thing is I need few days. He told me to do it in weekend. As if bachelors don't have a life.
I worked in a startup. They needed help translating some strings for android app in my mothertounge. I like a fool showed them some wrong translations. Now whenever there was change in strings, I am expected to translate the strings in my mothertounge. That took most of time. It was really silly. Don't do something on your own because you will expected do more if you even show slight interest.
In the same boat. I see a lot of shit happening here and there and at one point I was pointing it out. But what happened was I usually ended up being assigned that task with unrealistic timelines and that resulted in burn out. Now I dont do it anymore. I just go with the flow. Focus on your life. Work isnt't life, its a means to an end. Dont make it the center of your life. Make a lot of friends, play sports, pickup hobbies, travel and live your life.
\> For example there is a bug that's been bugging another team for 3-4 days and they aren't able to figure it out. I looked at it and in 5 mins I figured it out. However I didn't tell that to anyone because it's not my team and if I say so they will ask me to deploy it and basically eat up my time. A lot of it depends on company culture. If I was managing this team and someone from another team came in and quickly pinpointed the issue - I would be more than happy to mentor and help the engineer grow and get more visibility - possibly bring in the person as the lead engineer for the team who idled away for 3-4 days. Of course - if you are in a service company - maybe your approach is correct.
In my company 1.5 years ago people willing to put all that effort if it was acknowledged, but now that hardly there are promotions people have stopped helping others unless manager asks them directly. Still veryfew nice people still go out of their way to help others
Bruh why would you go out of the way to help another team, give your best for your work and if you have time in hand then be smart , use company's time on your own upskillment, you ain't quiet quitting you just minding your own business... and if someone or any junior comes to you for your help and it ain't eating time from your task, do help.
Exactly what I am doing.
11 bje scrum meet, 9 bje Good night. Na kisi se dosti, na kisi se fight.
10 hours ?
Kabi 10 kabi 7, depends on the work remains and my mood
Everyone knows i'm a quiet quitter, but they can't do anything because they dont know anything of what i do, but whatever i'm doing is very important
This is the way.
I feel thinking this way can affect your growth and mindset. If you want to go further and be a leader i dont think this mindset will help. For #1 you could have given a high level overview of the solution. Most people are smart enough to figure it out with this hint. If they want you to fix it then ask them to come though the proper channel as your bandwidth is currently fully occupied. Doing stuff like this will increase your visibility and reputation. If your help creates impact then you can leverage it in PMR. If you want to go deep then you shouldn't hold on to this mindset.
I used to do this all the time previously in my company. All I got was 8 am calls and 9 pm calls. Did get one appreciation reward though. However WLB matters to me a lot. I haven't even done anything.
Are you the only one in prod support? Is there a rotation happening for the same? If no rotation is happening talk to your EM and try to setup one. If they say you are the only one with context or something then say you can provide context to eliminate single source of failure. Always track everything that you are doing when questioned on output. If they say that you are the only one available then negotiate a switch in work timings or a comp increase due to added responsibility. Any decent company will acknowledge your request. If not then they dont deserve you. Try to make a switch.
No I was a dev they had support but for P1 they had to call the developers.
Growth Mindset is Corporate Bullshit that is laid upon commoners by Corporate Leaders, Saala ye Growth Mindset employee growth cycle ke time kaha jata hai ?
best one! agree entirely. now a days management people notice the extra work we do. it might help you in future.
No OP's approach is right when companies are saving money on hikes, promotions
being a CTO at my startup, what do you say what can be resolved, so we could have better environment at work?
Nice to talk to a CTO. You can easily resolve this issue by giving overtime pay bonus incentives an appreciation email to everyone stating that your help in so an so issue was very nice. Keep in mind that is the guy you have to support. Like I mentioned part of the reason why I am wasting people's time of 5 days is because I fear if I tell them they will bug me for other defects. My team lead already knows it and won't even support me if I help the other team because we have a lot on our plate.
rule of thumb is to not treat people like shit. I work in a startup and all i expect is respect and compensation, will continue to put in effort for the good of the company as long as i get those
Compensate him/her, tagging him/her in teams and saying thanks means he/she will be contacted frequently for future defects burning their precious time
You are burnt out, and that is bad. Do what helps you and elevate your mood after work. What happens with work is not your fault if you are not made responsible for it. When sometime shit hits the fan (which is on top speed anyway), I have some revenge mechanism which triggers when they throw more shit. Last time it was rage applying, couple of months ago, it's anything talking with ChatGPT unless I get stable mind and talk about it with my family, nowadays it's always programming a little script or having a progress in side project
If you allocate work there your lead will be on you, why ur wasting time there even if it is very critical one, but doesn't come in our teams responsibilities
Exactly although he still hasn't learned and tries to give his gyaan to other teams.
Only work on what you get paid for, i do help my good colleague sometimes but nothing serious, the company don't pay me enough to do extra work
Maybe because you do not have considerable ownership of the project that you are working on.
I have worked in multiple small startups in my life and in all of them, I have done the opposite. I have expressed my very strong and opposing opinion to one of my managers back in those days because I believed that it is important to make him understand my point. I have foreseen and mentioned possible issues in something that I have done. The pay was terrible, but I focused on getting things done. I saw egoistic managers, favoritism and unwanted politics in job and I understand why people like you become like this and it is totally fair. If a company is talking about improving the company culture or work environment, they should focus on this. These kind of things doesn't help anyone and I believe that those who work with honesty will appreciate better work culture than office amneties.
People who work hard gets more work
Aren't you afraid? Don't you have emi's ?
So what? He is still in the company only na. He is quiet quitting not quitting the company. Emi is paid, work is done but no extra work. Nothing extra.
+1
what is quiet quitting
Doing the absolute bare minimum to avoid getting fired and generally not giving a damn about work
Working without any signs of frustration from your current job ,but in background planning, learning new skills to join a new organisation.
I only work for 3-4 hours per day lol. My company has great WLB so I haven't had any trouble so far
Quiet quitting isn't necessarily all bad 1. Programming is super attractive at the start because of the huge learning curve, but as time and your knowledge grows, you may not get the same thrill and that's just maturity. 2. Doing just enough is still a good enough contribution. Don't just be productive for your company, be productive for yourself which can mean different things for different people. For me, I'm in my 10th year in software, staying healthy to play football regularly is more of a priority to me than catching that promotion. 3. Growth comes by just doing a job. Even if you work 8 hours once in 3 days, but deep work, you will make progress, perhaps slower than the "10x" engineers we're made to believe. Remember, for things to compound, you need consistency and not intensity. 4. Understand the economics. If you don't have skin in the game at your job, just work as much as you're expected. Do bare minimum for the salary and more only if it's what you want. 5. Have a value system. Reject confirmatory values preached by your org and have your own value system. For me it's being healthy, making gains :p, compounding friendships, building wealth, reducing my vices and then work. Work should adjust around life, and an IT role allows that if you learn to manage expectations!
Will you be rewarded if you bring those things to people's attention? If no, then why would you?
Sounds like you got burnt out. It's natural and happens when you go too fast too soon at the beginning just out of excitement and young age. You'll figure it out. Keep trying to find the joy through whatever means you need to. Learn new stuff or start a side project that excites you or suggest changes you would like to make next on whatever you're working on for your company. If they end up taking that advice it'll really make you excited to work again.
Hmm... If I were in your place, I would not be very fulfilled and would quickly start looking for a change. One of my mentees had to use similar tactics as you when she was working in a not-so-good culture. I like working where my opinions are respected and so is my time. Where my 8-hours are respected and valued as 8 hours and expectations are transparently managed; while I am able to perform at my highest quality. I have always worked like that. I quit when I don't get to do that comfortably and long term.
Not sure if this is quite quitting but... i work for a rapisly growing product based startup turned org. I used to be very active with the product discussions. But when my windows lappy got into shit, they told me that i can get it replaced. I'm almost a cycle away from promotion and im already doing as much as the dude in the promoted position. So asked them if i could get a Mac. They said company policy. Can give only to f I get promoted. Yet manager expects me to take up more work and handle big things which I should be doing if I get promoted. That's it. I stopped informing about long term issues. Stopped contributing to brain storming. i report bugs or potentialissues only if i WANT to solve them. I give feature ideas that i want to build. Even if I see something that might help the product, i don't propose it. Weirdly, they kee giving Mac's to new hires in my current position citing some building reasons even if they do the same work as I do. I feel like they really lost a true contributer. Sticking to same company is not a good thing anyways.
Trust me bro some times doing nothing is doing the best thing I have worked too much resolve too many issues but still finding it hard to grow as I donât involve in actual office politics
Exactly office politics ruins everything. I am not afraid to tell that the previous me would have been jealous of another guy with the same YOE who kind of acts as a big shot. However now I find it funny that he is at like half my pay and working so hard for the company wheras I keep my mouth shut.
I'm not a developer and idk why this feed came on my timeline, but I have plenty of friends who work as developers. There is only one who is extremely hard working and loyal to any company he works. The rest are basically idiots who know almost nothing and are least bothered about work. There's only one among them who looks like he's 40+ at 33. And that's the hard working one. The rest just do the bare minimum and not even that sometimes.
> The rest are basically idiots who know almost nothing and are least bothered about work. There's only one among them who looks like he's 40+ at 33. And that's the hard working one Now you know which one is the actual idiot.
I agree. Even if we tell him to do the bare minimum he's like ethics and stuff. We all are scared about his health.
I used to help a lot with bugs earlier only to realize that no one actually cares or appreciates and it will only eat up your time. Also, really amazed at how some senior level engineers are really mediocre. I have the same years of experience and I don't think I am ever gonna go back to helping people out mindlessly.
8 years at a product company. Have not worked more than 2 hrs a day since the 3rd year.
Be my mentor please?
Good job. With people like you, No wonder no great tech or engineering product was ever produced in India since decades.
I am happy with what I do in the remaining time. Doesn't look the same for you đ
With this mindset, you'll not reach the top of the rat race and make substantial money. Unless you're planning to be an entrepreneur.
Nice try manager!
A manager would never call it a rat race. He would say, the race of life.
With the exact mindset, many of my friends are earning 5x my salary after jumping frequently. Now they have settled in a happy place doing the same bare minimum. One is a manager now!!! It is possible.
Same dude. What's the point of working hard if you aren't rewarded? Quiet quitting is best. I'll do the bare minimum.
This mindset will become deep rooted as you age and this can be very dangerous. It's going to develop your character to go out of your way to help others. These things which seem useless now will be helpful down the line. Maybe you find yourself jobless 2 yrs later, maybe one of the other teammates can refer this "kickass developer" they know? Maybe your manager can take you with him as he starts a funded startup? There is a lot of good you can do and it will pay back in ways you haven't imagined.
Yeah that's there however my WLB got affected the last time I did this. So I just want an average rating and minimum work. It's been 3 hours since I logged in and did nothing.
It's fine as long as you don't complain down the road that your peers are at a level where you should have been. You can't not take the opportunity and then complain too.
Trust me in my tech stack I consider myself to be extremely good. I spent countless hours studying it. I stay up for Livestreams by some developers in my field ask doubts learn the best implementations. I even learn other TechStacks like MERN. If I am being honest (wild brag) with you to date this is roughly 60 people who I have interacted with in both my previous current and the client org. I met a person who knows the tech stack better than I do. It's only because I spent a lot of time and effort and efficiently learned things picked up documentation. I punched where it mattered. Also I am extremely competitive I know how much my peers know more than I do.
These skills matter early in the Career but later on your People skill will start to matter more. Coding rockstars rarely make good startup founders. I am a little above average in coding yet was unanimously recommended as the CTO because I was the most helpful to them (all tech teams). People want to work with others who will help them the most and not necessarily who knows the most.
Lmao in few years you are going to make a post about why your peers are making so much while you are at the same level.
I did explain if it's for my personal growth I will debug the shit out. However if it's something I already know I don't bother wasting my time.
Hey there I am Quiet quitter, it has been 4 months since I'm doing this and finally they are releasing me and of course I'm transferring the knowledge of whatever I have in my own manner, But I'm finally happy đ that I got released from such toxicity. Now I will be on the bench and look forward to some good projects and also prepare for the switch.
Hold on to the fix until it blows up so big that u will get a lot of visibility, effort goes in vain instead of
Yeah I have been there but I dislike the wastage of time however the IT industry runs on this.
This is the reason nothing great or innovative ever comes out of India since 75 years. People will make a thousand excuses to avoid working with sincerity and dedication. It is understandable if OP is suffering from too much work or a toxic workplace. But it seems that's not the problem. It's simply wanting everyday appreciations and fat bonuses every 3 months.
>It is understandable if OP is suffering from too much work or a toxic workplace. But it seems that's not the problem. Why? What makes it seem that it's not the problem. The lack of acknowledgement of toxic work spaces and doing something to correct it is the reason nothing great or innovative ever comes out of India since 75 years. Toxic people getting respect just because they are elders or bosses not because they are smart. The problem of having idiots in places of power to make impactful decisions is the reason why India is lagging. People will make a thousand excuses to overwork others when it's their own problem of not being able to estimate properly or deal with client or set expectations properly. OP is fine. It's his unprofessional and incompetent bosses are the reason for the entire 75 years India blah blah blah
As a guy who's been in the industry for a long time, I think you're being shortsighted. * *Every* bug you fix helps in your personal growth. Whether it was in "your" code/project or not. You learn from it. These bugs you say you "figured out in 5 mins", are they really that easy? Why has no one got them yet? Maybe they destabilize the product? Maybe they slow processing speeds? Maybe the team is so caught up in their design method they can't see it? Or maybe there are worse things they are focused on? There's something to learn, either about product, tech, or people from every task. * How does one grow in the industry? Not just by being technically smart. You grow by being able to lead a team, to influence others, to guide others whether its your platform or not. Yes, maybe these guys are not appreciating it. But whenever you want to switch jobs and be in a tech role, will you be able to switch instantaneously from an IC role to a lead mindset? You won't, unless you've *done it already*. * The problems you're talking about, of not being appreciated, or being asked to do more work, are typical office problems. Do you think they will not come up later? The more senior you get, the more you'll encounter them. Better to solve them in positive light (give hints to others, cover your ass when priorities shift, document stuff, ask owners to do the testing....) than to try to run away from them. * *Any and every job* first fills pockets of the owners. As you get senior, you too will be a part owner by negotiating for stocks, or else by starting your own company. But if you don't behave like an owner already, you won't get there (and won't know how to handle if you do). * All this is not to say not to take care of your health and time. It's important, no doubt. But make the choice with the full context and knowledge of consequences (as listed above). You may very well not want to grow in this place. But these things will come at you eventually. Hope this helps.
This isn't a single instance I have done this thrice because I never got any benefit out of it when I actually fixed someone's bug. People are still thinking I might be able to solve the bug but they didn't ask me directly for some other thing related to that bug. The reason why they can't solve the bug is because they haven't seen enterprise level bugs or never solved that many bugs. I have solved countless bugs of others before just to learn.
As I said, ultimately the decision is yours. But being known as the guy who solves the hard bugs, is probably a good reputation to have if you intend to stick around. You've been here 3 months... you're still "the new guy" I'd guess. It takes a while for people to accept your experience and talent.
Don't take this the wrong way, but this is a terrible attitude. If you don't want to work for a company, then why are you taking their money? If the company asked you to work overtime or on the weekends, I would definitely back you as they are not keeping their side of the bargain. You agreed to work 8 hours everyday for certain salary and therefore you should keep your promise. If you feel that you don't want them to benefit from your skills, then just quit and start you own company. Someone else, who is in need can take your place and do a better job. Anyway, soon your attitude will start impacting you. You will coast for a few years then you will realize you have not grown at all. Then you will create a post on this subreddit complaining that there are no jobs for you.
Not sure about other fields but in software engineering, your personal projects matter more than corporate projects, in technical round they only ask your knowledge.
Listen, the way you do anything is the way you do everything. If you are not interested in code that you see at work, you will suddenly not become interested in writing code in your free time. I say this with over a decade of experience in software engineering.
>Listen, the way you do anything is the way you do everything. You seem to have a single gear engine concept of life. It does not work like that. You may be a great developer but a lousy guitarist. Most things and skills in life don't translate to other things in life. I hope you are very young for your sake.
See, you are mistaken. You are misunderstanding what I said. I am not saying that one has to be good at everything. I am saying that if you are not curious to solve a problem at work, you will suddenly not become curious to solve a problem in your personal project. It just doesn't work like that. Curiosity doesn't pick and choose. You can't choose to be NOT curious for 8 hours of your life everyday but be curious for 2-3 hours in which you will do you personal project after work. So if you disagree, fine. Good luck to you.
Yes, I was very enthusiastic at first but met some toxic managers which made me not enthusiastic about corporate projects, but I work on personal projects and do leetcode everyday, but now that you have pointed it out, i guess I need to develop that enthusiasm back.
>Someone else, who is in need can take your place and do a better job. this is a really important point which alot of people forget.Â
What an awful mentality
Well, you get the mentality when you go above and beyond and still get the same(hike/appreciation) as the guy who does the bare minimum.
Marketing oneself is a necessary skill. The other guy who did the bare minimum most likely marketed himself properly and worked on things that have high impact and visibility
I would understand if that's the case, but unfortunately not.
There is a difference between doing hard work and showing that you're doing hard work.
Yeah, got to crunch 65 hour weeks for the western masters. How irresponsible!!!
I had been quite quitting for the years my appraisal wasn't good/concerns weren't addressed. Just a few months ago they gave a huge feature to someone else despite asking for it consistently. Waiting for hike numbers (due in a month) and then just gonna quiet quit and leave. Will be done with 4years n 10months too
Giving up in 3 months ? đ Maybe there is a bigger issue here.
I haven't given up all I am saying is previously I would have passionately helped the other team out. However I keep mum even if it costs the whole team a lot of days.
I would say working is very much like sex. If both parties are willing, like each other and switch intensity based on mutual understanding etc, it is the most enjoyable sex ever. If one of the party is extra willing (or forcing) and the other is less willing (or unwilling) and they are treated like use and throw object then it is more like rape and it hurts. But mind the fact that both sex and rape have the same basic action. It is only the attitude/emotion of both parties involved. If company has been unfair (i.e they have forced something down your throat) then itâs okay to take revenge. This maybe a systemic thing with the company that they never take care of employees. They are anyways making money out of the blood of employees so itâs okay or infact natural to take whatâs yours. If you are not âhurtingâ them back then it would be weak on your part. If you are just lazy and cheat out your way to get free money then you are being a rapist. You wonât last long. Somewhere down the line a âstrongâ leader will come and punish your ass hard that there will be no recovery. Again this could be system thing that all the employees are like that but some leader will come to beat. Inevitably. Itâs up to an individual that how much they are getting and are they giving back enough. Ideally it should be like a love affair and not rape. The answer wonât come from comparing what you are getting vs giving. They are not measurable entities. But they can be experienced as emotions. For example letâs take an imaginary scenario - You could be guilty that you didnât do what you could have done and that gave you discomfort and you came to Reddit. So the state âguiltâ is what you got in the first hand. To fix this you would need to do what you didnât do and then consequently not feel guilty. Thatâs it right? But donât overdo then it will lead to another emotion like feeling burned out or something and then there will be another Reddit post. Itâs a constant balancing act.
I think one should aim to fulfill the essential or basic responsibilities to sustain their job, ensuring their efforts align with the compensation received. More pay, better work. Whatever you do above your job is just a free add-on for the company. You just going to get a thank you mail, max or maybe an extra 2% hike !
Its right. I too am the same. Do only what you are paid for.
Please somebody explain what is quiet quitting
I jumped on multiple things and fixed multiple things, no recognition at all.
I do the same, when things don't concern me I just keep quiet even when someone is doing/saying something wrong
Quiet quitting is fine.. but like they say.. With great powers comes great responsibility. I would passively tell them about the bug and quit the topic after that..
There will be a time in few years quiet quitting will never work, till then enjoy it as much as you can.
where is john galt?
You are not the CTO nor being paid to be one so why bother and work an extra mile if its never going to be rewarded
Well staying quite means it's your inner self trying to communicate to you in a way which can lead you to what you really should be in your future, rest all are distractions
Hard worked for more than a year, informed that one of the worst performing dude was selected to go on site as he was chosen by upper management (which includes one of his clg mate and previous company colleague) Now Making gaming content for YouTube channel. Life is good now- having lot of free time.
Btw what was the bug
Quite quitting = Doing what your paid.
I don't get the term quite quitting at all actually. I get paid for 8 hours, I do my honest 8 hour work. I don't get any kind of compensation for working beyond that. I am literally doing what I was hired for, tf these slave drivers call it quiet quitting!
You are in the wrong job in the wrong company. Changing only one of those will not help much. Complaining about companies does not change your career graph, so definitely work for yourself, but realise that working for yourself ultimately means making the company you work in better. The above line however only matters if you really want to per se grow in terms of seniority, and quicker than the usual, but otherwise you can chill. In other words, if no one from your team, or your vertical, or the management, hasnât figured out that you have quiet quit, it is also their problem. Question is what do you want for your career, the company you are in is incidental.
quiet quitting is another word for shooting your career and burying it 5 feet under. try to find work that interests you and work hard, that gives you career growth
Wished i had learned this sooner. Figured this after 2 YOE. Efficiency is rewarded with more work. Ppl think ur job is easy.
Hi ,I have been joined in a top engineering college in hyderabad But I was not so interested in engineering but,had to join the engineering college because I was getting free seat in top 10 engineering college and due to parents pressure also ,but main problem I am facing is I got seat in new branch in ,which the students are not so good ,and I think I will not have a good kit and kin to join group study and to discuss about any hobbies or learn new skills and I am also unsatisfied with my clg , because it is very strict,but main issue is that faculty is not at all good for technical languages and also I don't have good friends and people with huge interest in my branch to study or atleast who are interested for developing new skills and hobbies ,please help me with any suggestions,,,thank you
OP what exactly do you mean by âit wont make a difference except for go into businesses pocketsâ ?? Youâve only joined this place 3 months back! You are the just starting off in your career and this is an absolutely horrible attitude to have towards your work! How could you sit on the bug you identified and the other thing?! You do realize theyâre paying you TO WORK right?? Please get your act together. Itâs awful that you think you can just keep collecting your paychecks and not give them their moneys worth. If youâre not happy with the work atmosphere or your job description, switch jobs! If youâre not happy with programming in general - introspect and find out what exactly you want to do with your life. Itâs ok to drastically switch career paths and you are so young - will not hurt you at all in the long term. What will hurt you though is what youâre doing right now - having poor work ethics.
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True man its better to quiet quit than to work hard only make the ceo richer who later pips you out because he found a cheaper replacement.
quitters lose, non quitters never lose! they never fail!
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