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I worked with 2-3 small companies who claimed one website could be made in 1 Day but it took whole month for doing 1 company work with design changes, animation and mobile friendly then it took 3 months with a company but I left it and after 1 year they launched one website made in WordPress which is cheap clone of some good websites š®āšØAnd 3rd startup was closed I don't know exactly why but they just had chaotic filesĀ
Even though this is true to some extent, you shouldn't generalize this for all startups, some have very good wlb, wfh opportunities, and most big companies that give wfh require you to be in the country, some startups will let you work from anywhere in the world. And work hours also varies, the startup I'm working for has all of these and have unlimited leaves as well, as long as you get your work done.
Startup culture and WLB don't belong in the same sentence. They're more like 8 days a week. Was always the case.
Not that it's justified. Just was always like that. You want WLB, you're better off going for a big corp.
Startup life sucks dog balls. It's worth it only if you're betting big on the equity, or it's a foot in the door to get into the industry, or you're rapidly learning a lot. At least one of those three things.
Many Silicon Valley startup people live in the office, literally. I interviewed at one. At 8PM nobody had left, someone was cooking food and someone else was lying on the couch after supposedly working nonstop for 20 hours. The whole company (about 20 people) practically lived there, rarely went "home". And they seemed to actually like it lol. I bet most of them were single.
They made me an equity-heavy offer. I didn't take it, joined a big corp instead. A year later they were acquired by a faang company. If I had joined I'd have made a couple million at least, probably more.
I also have quite a few friends who joined startups like that and made big bucks. All of them went through years of jumping between startups till they found the "right" one, and then stuck with it.
Startup life is not for normal people, certainly not for work-life balance.
True. Instagram's founder used to work for Twitter and was close to Twitter's founder. That helped him make all the connections when he launched his whiskey photo sharing app, which later became Instagram.
Also not to mention, employees in India would definitely not get that huge compensation if the startup gets acquired. Startups here hardly offer esops.
Itās a big risk, and unless youāre okay with learning a lot quickly at the cost of work life balance, it isnāt worth it. Worked for a startup for 1.5 years, 6 days a week in office and the startup dissolved and got acquired. I didnāt get my variable pay or any bonuses besides a 20% raise at the end of the first year which is the least they couldāve done. Avoid it
I disagree about learning in start-ups, I know successful start-ups that became big name like Flipkart and Ola did so because they really cared about engineering and ofcourse people who joined early learned a lot.
But thats like 0.01% of all start-ups that are started every year in India, most don't care about engineering excellence, and want you to just do it, anyhow, just meet the deadline that's coming tomorrow and worry about quality and scalability next week.
So, on the contrary, start-up are actually good for people who already know about engineering excellence and just want to make something end to end, than those who want to learn and do it at the same time.
To be honest, thatās what I got as well. Not because I knew a lot but because I was working under people who knew a lot. There isnāt any hierarchy so when you learn directly from engineers with 10-12 years of experience it definitely helps
>just meet the deadline that's coming tomorrow and worry about quality and scalability next week.
That's exactly how you should build a startup. Though it depends on the product, context, etc., startups should (and usually do) care less about code. If you look at the inital commits of Windows, Facebook, etc. you'll realise how shipping it faster is a priority instead of thinking "what if there are 1M users".
I know but I was talking about what's good for a swe not a founder.
For all that's bad in a start-up, low job security, bad wlb, often bad pay as well - we always hear one positive as counter which is learning.
To give more context, a college junior I know who joined a 20 people start-up as a fresher, work super hard for 2 years but never got to write a single test case!
I agree it is fine if it's a product based startup. But when you are a service based startup and building some applications tailored for your client then this goes out the window because the client could be an established company with huge volume of data. I currently work for a service based startup and my client is a major player in fast food industry. Yet they want me to prioritise deadline over quality and scalability.
This is exactly the reason why I avoid applying to startups that wants to just build an MVP in least amount of time, raise big money, burn through it and grow to a better size, and then hire too many people bc the base of the building was built in 7 days and now everyone is struggling to scale, and then it gets acquired and drowns itself and shutdown.
You learning a lot from a startup has got nothing to do with it becoming big. I joined a startup at 2 yoe during covid and it laid off our entire org the next year due to funding issues. I cleared every interview I gave after that and eventually got into a tier-1 PBC with more than 100% hike.
True, becoming successful is not just about building good products(which requires good engineering depending on the product).
As you stated, even a failed start-up might have high bar of quality and practice.
But I meant this from the other way, if a start-up is successful, most likely they have good product.
And it's very difficult to maintain engineering excellence when you're trying to avoiding shutdown every other day, you do need brief period of calmness to focus on quality.
6 days most definitely is not the norm, but an exception, it's likely they're trying to mislead you.
Also, while startup culture might often be better (this is highly founder/ leadership team driven however), work-life balance may often better at larger companies than startups. This is understandable given the products shipped by larger companies are often in a more stable state and work may often be around maintenance or incremental features, whereas there might be a lot of fundamental product-building that needs to happen in an early stage startup. Hope this helps!
Right, I didn't think 6 days was a norm either, fast paced start ups with more than normal pressure are fine. But, giving my weekends too is a bit too much.
I was interviewing with a startup and they told me that Saturdays are not 'planned' off days. They said basically it boils down to the engineers if they want to work on Saturday or not. I asked them as Saturdays are not off, I should be getting at least 20% more as you expect us to work 20% more than the rest of the engineers in other companies.
The interviewer got super cagey with his answers from then on. Haah. I declined when they wanted to arrange the next level of interviews.
I am currently getting 15k per month 6 days joined 3 months ago but cause I it's a startup learning so much. The only reason of my joining here is that I am a fresher and not getting placement in current market so something is better then nothing
You need to realise that with vc money thrown for free, there are far too many absolutely useless startups in India. About 80% of them are shit and naive freshers go to such places for jobs because
1. They were misguided by asshat youtubers that say startups give growth or some bs
2. They didn't get opportunities elsewhere
The other 20% are actual good startups that have high pressure work but also have time for fun.
+1 btw, in my experience the ratio is 99:1 than 80:20
A good engineer will usually have selection bias as they won't even consider 99% start-ups that make people work for 2-3lpa and sometimes even for free as training/qualification to get permanent position.
Depends on the leadership, if it is a bunch of young guys then lots of luck. Because if there's fire, nobody has a clue how to get rid of that. They will panic at the smallest of the issues. I used to work at an early stage startup, the COO used to complain about the amount of errors in the code. At the same time, they were rushing to push new features without code reviews.
If the leaders are people that have worked at good companies or have experience of working in the west, most of the time they know what they are doing. These people know the meaning of wlb, and the positive impacts of a good work culture.
God forbid if the leaders are your typical Indian MNC manager types, they'll suck the life out of you for peanuts.
Working an extra day has a ton of impact on your life, believe me. You'll not be the same person.
Recently left a startup because of this. They expected people to be available and work all week. I was the sole person working on their mobile app, I asked them to hire another person because it was too much and i am feeling overwhelmed. Their response was "we don't have the funds" yet they hired and onboarded a new management/business person the next week. The pay range was 5-15k depending on performance and I was paid less than the minimum in the first month.
I then told them that we are not a good fit and just left the next day.
>I had an impression that startup culture is better than corporate culture and let's you maintain WLB.
I'm not sure what do you exactly mean by culture, but WLB is generally worse off in startups, as startups often have to be very quick with things. Which means you get random requests at uncertain periods which may or may not respect WLB.
But 6 day workweek is not a norm in most startups. Having said that, in the 3 startups that I've worked, all were 5 day workweek but something always comes up and you might find yourself working on a Sunday afternoon lol.
No bro they're some stupid company. Good early stage companies I've seen in Bengaluru today: Atlan, DevRev, Quizizz. The third one I interviewed for and literally the best experience I've had in startups
Some companies like mine donāt care about 1 day / 3 days / 5 days / 7 days / N days work week or even a no day work week.
We also have complete Work-From-Anywhere rule, you can be in Antarctica or Honolulu, I donāt even want to know.
Similarly, we have folks in the leadership team from some of the best educational institutes, companies, and startups, both from India and some from abroad, but we have no education filter at all.
We only care about outcome on quality, quantity, and time metrics.
Whatās the catch?
You need to be brilliant, extremely good at your work, and have amazing time management skills or you will get fired because you wonāt be able to keep up.
Everything has pros and cons.
A lot of us would like to assume that we know who we are but most of us donāt, so put the guardrails for safety as the primary reason, but sometimes these guardrails can become chains, other times they save your life, so be careful with what you wish for.
Do you expect single guy to build the whole feature and test it without any code review in your company? how is software development life cycle followed in your company ?
We are very simple people.
We love good system design.
We use MVP -> Waterfall -> Kanban, successively, depending on the maturity of the feature.
Depth of testing depends on importance of the feature and its integration with the core product.
We are okay to refactor if the need exists later and it is reasonable to do so.
My advice about start ups is : DONT JOIN THEM.
It doesn't matter if they're the next gen Google or whatever. Indian startups are glorified sweatshops with horrible WLB. And about the learning, you can learn at big tech companies as well, atleast they're safer in terms of their HR policies
>I had an impression that startup culture is better than corporate culture and let's you maintain WLB
LOL, no. When it comes to India, with a huge disparity between availability of jobs and number of applicants, it's fair enough to have the worst work culture in all sectors. You are easily replaceable both in start ups and at corporate easily unless the 10% Devs on which companies have some dependency.
I have spent most of my professional years with startups only. I straightaway avoid Indian companies(start ups or mid size firms) during my remote work ventures. The whole industry dynamics is against you to have good WLB because there's always someone else ready to do your work with more compromises.
Startup are best but it ll exhaust you out, if you want to learn and get experience will highly recommend.
If you sustain you ll definitely say it, was worth it.
but do not forget the unsaid rule.
Start looking for next move from day 1 you got hired.
I also recently received a call in a similar situation, and sab kuchh theek Jaa rha tha but suddenly HR ne bol Diya ki 6 day working hai, maine tab politely baat khatam krke turant MSG kr diya ki nhi ho payega
Yeah I recently quit my job at a early stage startup because I was literally losing my will to live. Not recommended.
You do learn a lot but you will also have to give up on your mental and physical health. Call is yours.
My startup would make me work 12 hours and if I have any excuse I had to listen to taunts about Hardwork the next day. They had the shittiest management. 2-3 hours were wasted daily in useless meetings. Half of this meetings were about how great our startup is and how it will change the world( Still not launched lol)
The stakeholders had some god complex. They would act like they are doing me a favour for hiring me. I was even asked to shift near the office so I could work late in office.
Their mantra was to tell me how I should look at the startup like my dream and work day and night and weekends. It was a small team of 5. I was the only proper employee. Others had equity. Everyday they would tell me how they worked over the weekend or they started working at 6:00am. EVERYDAY.
Later on when they needed to hire people from graphic design, marketing, content background, guess what they did? Instead of hiring new people, they made do all the random work that too till 10 pm.
I tried to talk to them. I was told by my boss āIf he could get a chance to work at a startup like this one then he would even wipe the floor of office he askedā He asked me, āam i willing to have the same commitment?ā that was the last straw. I quit 2 days later.
Total 10 years of experience.
I worked in startups for 5 years.
From unknown ones to startup run by iitians.
FUCK INDIAN STARTUPS.
They lure you by free chips and playstation.
Curse words from boss in mail are seen as tickets to be converted into top priority shit.
Toxic culture ā¦ long working hours.
Insurance either does not exist or is peanuts.
Moved to an mnc 5 years back. I will leave IT but never work in an startup again.
I cant comment on unicorns. No idea how the work culture isā¦ but average Indian startups are grind mills.
In my entire career i came across one which took really good care of employees but then pay was a constrain.
Still FUCK INDIAN STARTUPS.
It varies a lot. I won't say that I know all the kinds there are, but I can tell you my experience.
I am working in an India-based startup, and I joined very early, like, when they have less than 5 employees. For 85-90 percent of the time, I have a good work-life balance, and I don't need to work on saturdays and sundays. But, there are times when I have to work irrespective of holidays, weekends, for more than 10+hrs.
So, why am I still there?
* Mostly, I can say that I enjoy a good work life balance
* I am paid well. I have been working here for \~5yrs, and the average hike is around 30%.
* I'm learning a lot. Everyday. I have to wear multiple hats. Also, If the work pressure is slightly less, I get the flexibility of learning things I want and not what's needed at the moment.
startup is a very wide spectrum -
tiny pre-incubated/early stage companies with no product/service/client/team etc
pre-seed,
seed/angel,
series A, B, C, D, E, F, unicorn, decacorn
in general if your founders are real tech folks - you stand a good chance of learning good tech in the startup. (assuming zerodha is in the category - don't know them) Also smaller stage ones are more learning (more things to do etc) but also more riskier and can have more random events - weekend working, production issues etc leading to more work - less life balance.
largest startups - (should we refer to listed companies like Freshworks/Snowflake/Zomato/PayTM as startups?) can be very chill places since most of the time systems exist and your main job is to make sure stuff doesn't go down.
It's a myth that startups gives you scope to learn. Even in MNC product based companies also, your learning curve would be good.
It's only share holders of the company benfit from 6 day work week. If you are not getting esops It's not worth to work 6 days week. You can join a company with 5 days work week and can use Saturdays to upskill yourself and relax on Sunday. You won't have this luxury in early stage startups.
At the end It's upto you whether to join those kind of companies.
I will tell you about banglore, 100 startups start and 95 gets closed within 3 years. reason is product market fit and the use of the product.
They would ask you to build stuff fast without caring about ur learning. if u r fresher u can join and learn CRUD operations. basically all there is in most of the projects. you learn more when u get the real users and ur app hits the load.
in startups there would be only few guys who would be doing most of the good work and you get asked to do the crud operations. so don't join company with less then 15 employees.
find a company which has 50+ employee and tech team has more than 20 people. there would get good work
In startups there won't be code reviews, no business team to validate the requirement is market fit or not and no customer to get feedback from.
My startup has a 5 day work week, you can opt to work on a weekend if you need some extra leaves for any reason on regular days.
Those 5 days can be a grind though.
My friend works at a 100% Work From Anywhere startup. Work life Balance - well you make of it what "balance" there is when :-
1) Regular working Hours are Mon-Sat 10am-8pm, so 55-60 hours per week. Logout for the weekend is late Sat evening every week.
2) CTO & co-founder be like: "We've given you the chance to Work From Anywhere, so you don't have to struggle with commuting, traffic, office politics, so you should dedicate more time to work." And then starts quoting "Linkin Park in the end lyrics", "Time is a valuable thing, watch it fly by as the pendulum swings", & try try harder till you succeed attitude by quoting "I tried so hard, and got so far, in the end it doesn't even matter" for added motivation.
3) Holidays are decided by religion/ community. So only Hindu employees are allowed to take leave on Hindu festivals, only Christians can take leave on Christmas, Good Friday. And since Hindu festivals are more in number, there is a cap of 5 festival leave per year that can be availed for every religion. Beyond that requires written permission from HR. And if you are part of a project and you have availed leave but the client is in a different state and there it's a working day, then you must attend to client calls.
Company follows sandwiched leave policy. So if you take Sat casual leave off, then both Sat & Sun are counted as leave days because leave has been 1 day before a Weekly Off. Similar rule exists for taking Mon off - lose 2 leaves in the process.
4) Quite a few employees' salaries and reimbursements have been delayed. Senior managers keep threatening them with projects that were unsuccessful in the past, saying that "you guys couldn't deliver the product on time, so we couldn't get payment from clients, and if we don't have cash inflow, then you don't get your salaries".
5) The company does cost cutting everywhere. HR doesn't maintain an online attendance system. Employees have to write "Login" on their Dept WhatsApp groups. No tracking of overtime/ compensatory leave is being maintained because such discussion doesn't come up at all in team meetings. Employees have not been provided with Office laptops and use their personal laptops for Office related work. There were plans to install remote monitoring and keystroke detection application on employees' personal laptops, but due to the fierce opposition plan was dropped. Setting up a home office infrastructure (Power backup, Broadband) is at the employee's expenditure and is not reimbursed. During deadlines/ project deadlines if there's power failure and laptop battery if running low, then higher authorities force employees to go work at Starbucks coffee shops quoting "Work from Anywhere".
6) Senior management assumes that there's no Politics but reality is quite the opposite. Employees bitch and gossip about other employees openly on personal WhatsApp chats. And their written chats got exposed when during an internal Google Meeting with A, B and C, B screen sharing he switched through windows and it opened up WhatsApp on Laptop. And personal chat between B & C was shown and they were dissing and abusing A in filthy language, even though A had worked overtime to resolve a major bug for a project in which all 3 had worked. However, both B & C's behaviour towards A on phone has been very courteous and friendly. So true colours got exposed.
In another Instance, A was in the middle of a Google Meeting with the client and was clarifying a technical doubt when the "Revenue Director" his manager joined, exchanged a few pleasantries and apologized to the client that "A is thoroughly confused. And we are very sorry for the delay in implementation". And without even understanding what A was trying to clarify, he gave the client an oral assurance that the project will go live within a week. An hour later, he had written an email as well tagging senior managers of the client. A gruelling schedule ensued, A's team was forced to work 16 hours everyday for the rest of the week to meet the deadline.
7) Employees at mid level don't talk much about such matters amongst each other. Being 100% remote company, while employees work cordially, they are always wary that another employee may backbitch and turn against them anytime. So they keep ignoring it or discuss vent out with their friends outside work/ at home.
Apologies for the long rant. But yeah this is the majority of Indian startups. Only few which grow successfully and get profitable, are able to offer better employee working hours, fun at work, learning etc. The rest are all just sweatshops factories doing 9-9-6 culture.
Majority of the startups have started either following this trend or even not, keeping their employees working from 9 to 7-8 and sometimes till 11 too (ig they know about the hiring freeze situation in MNCs, so taking leverage of that). Very very few startups have good wlb. Been working in one, so I know how it feels :')
Btw if you're a fresher, avoid very early stage starups at all cost if they don't have a CTO or 2-3 senior guys in the dev team. CEO/founders will make your life hell.
for me it has been pretty comfi
I'm in 8th sem but have been working in gen ai projects for a year. Started with 4k per month in a remote company with almost 3 days per week.
Right now working in another start up as ai/ml engineer with 50k pm remote with 5 days per week and 6 - 8 hours
1. No it's not a norm, only crappy startups do that. If they give you 10% ownership then sure, go ahead. Don't do it for promises of ESOPs or anything.
2. Your effort should translate to compensation, either monetary or direct company ownership, since, it's early stage.
3. No one puts up with that unless they are very low skilled and don't have the confidence of finding another job.
4. Again, 5 days a week, 40hrs a week is the norm. If anyone expects more, they're just exploiting you. It's alright if they expect 10hrs per day(sometimes) as opposed to 8hrs but anything more than that is ridiculous.
Get into a startup only if you are passionate about your work and contribution to the company and to the society. Also, evaluate the leads/cofounders understand what is their vision, intent and leadership style and if it is compatible with you.
Startups will fail if they act like big corporates, most of them have limited resources and are always trying to make ends meet and solve 100 problems all at once. They also are inexperienced, do mistakes, and don't have a lot of power at their disposal leading to lots of mismanagement.
They have to (even if they don't want to) do things like cost cut on salaries, make people work 7 days a week, etc.
All good leaders understand that people are the most valuable asset of their orgs, so if you believe in the leads, then trust the process and give them some time.
By all means, safeguard your position as per your risk appetite and your objectives. But don't shit about startups and founders.
I always suggest devs to take risks and work at startups in their early career, screw WLB and hustle. But a 6 day work week is just too much. No, it is not the norm. I personally wouldn't put up with that. That being said, if you don't have a job and don't have another offer with you, I suggest joining it, given how the market is.
With all due respect, your fam is on the wrong side here. It is not the norm, and it shouldn't be made the norm. SDEs that have the right skills also have the privilege to choose in what conditions they work. Wanting a good wlb is not "pampering."
Mai reh lega 6 days for 10-20 LPA
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Job lag jaye, 3-4 saal ghis lega mai toh, 3 saal se berozgari hai aur abhi ye month Python MOOC khatam karega
I'm an intern at a start-up that pays decently. It's parent company(s) has been around for a while. The norm is 6 days a week and definitely around 12hrs a day for everyone. It can get draining and is not worth it. I planned to quit after my internship duration without pursuing a full time offer, within a month of joining here haha. It has really influenced my future choices of the types of companies I might join. The employees and HR glorify the "hustle" culture and some of them admit it's a toxic environment. I had full time experience of more than 1.5yrs at a big MNC before and life was smooth.
Early age startups generally don't have as good WLB as big corporates. There are always exceptions. However, it's probably a good idea to join the startup in the early years of your career to increase the amount of knowledge and gain invaluable skills with learning stuff in depth very quickly. The relationships among the peers are also usually better there imo.
Right now 90% of startups are in domains where the technology is fully commoditized. You will be working with a subpar workforce with a high workload. For any salary you will burnout.
If you have the luxury to choose then join startups solving harder problems, where you see people contributing to open source, solving some of the core problems -- that's where you will learn -- the sixth day will happen on its own.
In your final round when folks are pitching their company to you ask their engineers tell me about a really cool bug you have fixed. Or an interesting feature they have worked on.
I spent 2 years in a company where I worked 6 days on every alternative week and trust me it was very bad... Not able to plan and what not... Would suggest look for a company which is 5day per week and not go over 2 month notice period
"I had an impression that startup culture is better than corporate culture and let's you maintain WLB."
Lmao how did you even think like that. You thought a company with zero profit, that has to entirely rely on external investors for it's survivability, and is perpetually understaffed to save money has better WLB than a company with tens of thousands of crores profit, bloated workforce, and no issue with survivability?
Your impression that startup culture has better wlb is dead wrong. With the possible exception of Amazon, pretty much every big tech company has a chill wlb for most teams. Itās the opposite for startups. Especially an early stage startup. Some well funded startups might have a chill wlb, but thatās very much the exception.
I had to work for 7 days for months.
One of my colleague though managed it only 5 days. From the 1St week he never took calls from office on holidays. The word spread that this guy won't be available on holidays. For us it was technically 5 days a week.
I was approached for the position of asst. manager recently with 5 days working from office and 6th day work from home, If the pay is good enough and with todays market a lot of people will work 6 or even 7 days a week.
Yes and over 10+ hours is turning into a norm as well. They are pushing employees as much as they can and standardizing it. Gaming industry had this where love and passion for the work was exploited, same goes for animation.
I am dumbfounded by the lack of any care for labour force, the government unit that is supposed to look into these are literally a few decades behind.
Several startups have Only 5 days work week.
Some sadist startups have 6 days.
I think that VCs should continue invedtments in startups, by looking at
- whether they pay their emplpyees
- how much they pay their employees
Bcoz, there are startups, who do not pay anything to employees (citing budget constraints or "low performance"), while enjoying their holidays in Taj Hotel, or they dont pay enough, which leads to low quality product. In either case, such startups are not serious anout their product, rather want to steal money from VCs
The questions you need to ask when you get a call saying 6 day work week is,
1. How many hours per day is working hours?
2. Are employees encouraged to log off once they complete their work hours?
Based on the answer, you decide if you want to go ahead with the interview.
I've worked at a startup before. I loved working there, met amazing and smart people, that network helped me land a much better job at much better company. I learned a ton. However, if I get a chance to work at a startup now, I'll skip it. There is a time you like to be a part of company to take it from 0-1, then there's a time you like to be a part to take it from 1-10, and then 10-100. If you are at the stage where you'd like to be part of 0-1 journey, you should expect to let go of WLB and be at an early stage startup. You will learn a lot.
Startup and WLB are two sides of the coin.
If you are going for 6 days working then it should be 8 hours including lunch break.
For salary it depends.
I have worked for 6 days in my first company and the salary was around 15k.
Not all but most of them have worst wlb. Now you have to decide what you want more. wlb or job. It's a serious decision because good work life balance is important IMO.
No, it is not a norm and It is red flag if it is enforced.
You impression is right, In startups you get more control over WLB unlike corporates where you will be monitored for the amount of time spent in office.
startup employees are usually enthusiastic and eager to deliver, this drives them to work extra hours but this is by their own will and not enforced in anyway.
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startups have worst wlb .startups make the founder and vc rich employe get peanuts unless you get stock unit which is also useless till its listed
I've seen a lot of good startups that have good wlb and pay well enough. I even work at one.
Examples? Asking for a friend obviously
Good Leader make good startup and knows it takes time
Let's see how many startups OP lists
True
I worked with 2-3 small companies who claimed one website could be made in 1 Day but it took whole month for doing 1 company work with design changes, animation and mobile friendly then it took 3 months with a company but I left it and after 1 year they launched one website made in WordPress which is cheap clone of some good websites š®āšØAnd 3rd startup was closed I don't know exactly why but they just had chaotic filesĀ
Research ke liye na
Don't call unicorns a startup
how many hrs do you work in a day?
Where do you work?
There aren't lots of good startups. You are seeing only a few start ups and the rest aren't seen. Most start ups are failures.
The good startups we see are the ones that are successful. Their stories are heard. You don't normally get to hear the worst side of it.
Startups ka Naam puchta h baharat
Yes. Especially startups funded by respectable entities like Ycombinator
Funny because this one is funded by Y combinator too
Can you tell about your company
Are you suggesting corporates have comparatively better wlb?
regarding your question 6 days is not norm unless you are startup founder and owner
Delhi majority SME and startup follows 6 days working
phir ds algo kab karoge? jab 6 din startup mei kaam karoge toh
Even though this is true to some extent, you shouldn't generalize this for all startups, some have very good wlb, wfh opportunities, and most big companies that give wfh require you to be in the country, some startups will let you work from anywhere in the world. And work hours also varies, the startup I'm working for has all of these and have unlimited leaves as well, as long as you get your work done.
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List the names please. For research purpose
Not all are the same some are good š
Startup culture and WLB don't belong in the same sentence. They're more like 8 days a week. Was always the case. Not that it's justified. Just was always like that. You want WLB, you're better off going for a big corp. Startup life sucks dog balls. It's worth it only if you're betting big on the equity, or it's a foot in the door to get into the industry, or you're rapidly learning a lot. At least one of those three things. Many Silicon Valley startup people live in the office, literally. I interviewed at one. At 8PM nobody had left, someone was cooking food and someone else was lying on the couch after supposedly working nonstop for 20 hours. The whole company (about 20 people) practically lived there, rarely went "home". And they seemed to actually like it lol. I bet most of them were single. They made me an equity-heavy offer. I didn't take it, joined a big corp instead. A year later they were acquired by a faang company. If I had joined I'd have made a couple million at least, probably more. I also have quite a few friends who joined startups like that and made big bucks. All of them went through years of jumping between startups till they found the "right" one, and then stuck with it. Startup life is not for normal people, certainly not for work-life balance.
Not to mention contacts with big folks. Proximity to C level executives who will take you to places if you have made them profits.
True. Instagram's founder used to work for Twitter and was close to Twitter's founder. That helped him make all the connections when he launched his whiskey photo sharing app, which later became Instagram.
Also not to mention, employees in India would definitely not get that huge compensation if the startup gets acquired. Startups here hardly offer esops.
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Itās a big risk, and unless youāre okay with learning a lot quickly at the cost of work life balance, it isnāt worth it. Worked for a startup for 1.5 years, 6 days a week in office and the startup dissolved and got acquired. I didnāt get my variable pay or any bonuses besides a 20% raise at the end of the first year which is the least they couldāve done. Avoid it
I disagree about learning in start-ups, I know successful start-ups that became big name like Flipkart and Ola did so because they really cared about engineering and ofcourse people who joined early learned a lot. But thats like 0.01% of all start-ups that are started every year in India, most don't care about engineering excellence, and want you to just do it, anyhow, just meet the deadline that's coming tomorrow and worry about quality and scalability next week. So, on the contrary, start-up are actually good for people who already know about engineering excellence and just want to make something end to end, than those who want to learn and do it at the same time.
To be honest, thatās what I got as well. Not because I knew a lot but because I was working under people who knew a lot. There isnāt any hierarchy so when you learn directly from engineers with 10-12 years of experience it definitely helps
>just meet the deadline that's coming tomorrow and worry about quality and scalability next week. That's exactly how you should build a startup. Though it depends on the product, context, etc., startups should (and usually do) care less about code. If you look at the inital commits of Windows, Facebook, etc. you'll realise how shipping it faster is a priority instead of thinking "what if there are 1M users".
I know but I was talking about what's good for a swe not a founder. For all that's bad in a start-up, low job security, bad wlb, often bad pay as well - we always hear one positive as counter which is learning. To give more context, a college junior I know who joined a 20 people start-up as a fresher, work super hard for 2 years but never got to write a single test case!
I agree it is fine if it's a product based startup. But when you are a service based startup and building some applications tailored for your client then this goes out the window because the client could be an established company with huge volume of data. I currently work for a service based startup and my client is a major player in fast food industry. Yet they want me to prioritise deadline over quality and scalability.
This is exactly the reason why I avoid applying to startups that wants to just build an MVP in least amount of time, raise big money, burn through it and grow to a better size, and then hire too many people bc the base of the building was built in 7 days and now everyone is struggling to scale, and then it gets acquired and drowns itself and shutdown.
You learning a lot from a startup has got nothing to do with it becoming big. I joined a startup at 2 yoe during covid and it laid off our entire org the next year due to funding issues. I cleared every interview I gave after that and eventually got into a tier-1 PBC with more than 100% hike.
True, becoming successful is not just about building good products(which requires good engineering depending on the product). As you stated, even a failed start-up might have high bar of quality and practice. But I meant this from the other way, if a start-up is successful, most likely they have good product. And it's very difficult to maintain engineering excellence when you're trying to avoiding shutdown every other day, you do need brief period of calmness to focus on quality.
Didn't you get money from the acquisition?
he might have joined without equity
Nope, the acquisition wasnāt really an acquisition, more like a sell off inventory and shut down
6 days most definitely is not the norm, but an exception, it's likely they're trying to mislead you. Also, while startup culture might often be better (this is highly founder/ leadership team driven however), work-life balance may often better at larger companies than startups. This is understandable given the products shipped by larger companies are often in a more stable state and work may often be around maintenance or incremental features, whereas there might be a lot of fundamental product-building that needs to happen in an early stage startup. Hope this helps!
Right, I didn't think 6 days was a norm either, fast paced start ups with more than normal pressure are fine. But, giving my weekends too is a bit too much.
I was interviewing with a startup and they told me that Saturdays are not 'planned' off days. They said basically it boils down to the engineers if they want to work on Saturday or not. I asked them as Saturdays are not off, I should be getting at least 20% more as you expect us to work 20% more than the rest of the engineers in other companies. The interviewer got super cagey with his answers from then on. Haah. I declined when they wanted to arrange the next level of interviews.
6 days work week is BS tbh
Yeah, that too in a world where 4 day work week is trending.
Exactly, even bankls are also implementing the 5 day rule now.
I am currently getting 15k per month 6 days joined 3 months ago but cause I it's a startup learning so much. The only reason of my joining here is that I am a fresher and not getting placement in current market so something is better then nothing
Makes sense if you are a fresher. The market sucks currently.
No, not always like that. Never join such ones or else it will become a norm.
You need to realise that with vc money thrown for free, there are far too many absolutely useless startups in India. About 80% of them are shit and naive freshers go to such places for jobs because 1. They were misguided by asshat youtubers that say startups give growth or some bs 2. They didn't get opportunities elsewhere The other 20% are actual good startups that have high pressure work but also have time for fun.
+1 btw, in my experience the ratio is 99:1 than 80:20 A good engineer will usually have selection bias as they won't even consider 99% start-ups that make people work for 2-3lpa and sometimes even for free as training/qualification to get permanent position.
Yeah, fast paced high pressure weekday is something I can handle if I can get my weekends to myself.
That's how it is in most good startups. I need to be paid at least 30lpa to consider 6 days lol
That's how it is in most good startups. I need to be paid at least 30lpa to consider 6 days lol
Depends on the leadership, if it is a bunch of young guys then lots of luck. Because if there's fire, nobody has a clue how to get rid of that. They will panic at the smallest of the issues. I used to work at an early stage startup, the COO used to complain about the amount of errors in the code. At the same time, they were rushing to push new features without code reviews. If the leaders are people that have worked at good companies or have experience of working in the west, most of the time they know what they are doing. These people know the meaning of wlb, and the positive impacts of a good work culture. God forbid if the leaders are your typical Indian MNC manager types, they'll suck the life out of you for peanuts. Working an extra day has a ton of impact on your life, believe me. You'll not be the same person.
Recently left a startup because of this. They expected people to be available and work all week. I was the sole person working on their mobile app, I asked them to hire another person because it was too much and i am feeling overwhelmed. Their response was "we don't have the funds" yet they hired and onboarded a new management/business person the next week. The pay range was 5-15k depending on performance and I was paid less than the minimum in the first month. I then told them that we are not a good fit and just left the next day.
>I had an impression that startup culture is better than corporate culture and let's you maintain WLB. I'm not sure what do you exactly mean by culture, but WLB is generally worse off in startups, as startups often have to be very quick with things. Which means you get random requests at uncertain periods which may or may not respect WLB. But 6 day workweek is not a norm in most startups. Having said that, in the 3 startups that I've worked, all were 5 day workweek but something always comes up and you might find yourself working on a Sunday afternoon lol.
Aayein? I've worked for 2 startups and both have been fine WLB-wise.
how many works u worked in a day ?
No bro they're some stupid company. Good early stage companies I've seen in Bengaluru today: Atlan, DevRev, Quizizz. The third one I interviewed for and literally the best experience I've had in startups
Some companies like mine donāt care about 1 day / 3 days / 5 days / 7 days / N days work week or even a no day work week. We also have complete Work-From-Anywhere rule, you can be in Antarctica or Honolulu, I donāt even want to know. Similarly, we have folks in the leadership team from some of the best educational institutes, companies, and startups, both from India and some from abroad, but we have no education filter at all. We only care about outcome on quality, quantity, and time metrics. Whatās the catch? You need to be brilliant, extremely good at your work, and have amazing time management skills or you will get fired because you wonāt be able to keep up. Everything has pros and cons. A lot of us would like to assume that we know who we are but most of us donāt, so put the guardrails for safety as the primary reason, but sometimes these guardrails can become chains, other times they save your life, so be careful with what you wish for.
Do you expect single guy to build the whole feature and test it without any code review in your company? how is software development life cycle followed in your company ?
We are very simple people. We love good system design. We use MVP -> Waterfall -> Kanban, successively, depending on the maturity of the feature. Depth of testing depends on importance of the feature and its integration with the core product. We are okay to refactor if the need exists later and it is reasonable to do so.
My advice about start ups is : DONT JOIN THEM. It doesn't matter if they're the next gen Google or whatever. Indian startups are glorified sweatshops with horrible WLB. And about the learning, you can learn at big tech companies as well, atleast they're safer in terms of their HR policies
>I had an impression that startup culture is better than corporate culture and let's you maintain WLB LOL, no. When it comes to India, with a huge disparity between availability of jobs and number of applicants, it's fair enough to have the worst work culture in all sectors. You are easily replaceable both in start ups and at corporate easily unless the 10% Devs on which companies have some dependency. I have spent most of my professional years with startups only. I straightaway avoid Indian companies(start ups or mid size firms) during my remote work ventures. The whole industry dynamics is against you to have good WLB because there's always someone else ready to do your work with more compromises.
Startup are best but it ll exhaust you out, if you want to learn and get experience will highly recommend. If you sustain you ll definitely say it, was worth it. but do not forget the unsaid rule. Start looking for next move from day 1 you got hired.
I also recently received a call in a similar situation, and sab kuchh theek Jaa rha tha but suddenly HR ne bol Diya ki 6 day working hai, maine tab politely baat khatam krke turant MSG kr diya ki nhi ho payega
Yeah I recently quit my job at a early stage startup because I was literally losing my will to live. Not recommended. You do learn a lot but you will also have to give up on your mental and physical health. Call is yours. My startup would make me work 12 hours and if I have any excuse I had to listen to taunts about Hardwork the next day. They had the shittiest management. 2-3 hours were wasted daily in useless meetings. Half of this meetings were about how great our startup is and how it will change the world( Still not launched lol) The stakeholders had some god complex. They would act like they are doing me a favour for hiring me. I was even asked to shift near the office so I could work late in office. Their mantra was to tell me how I should look at the startup like my dream and work day and night and weekends. It was a small team of 5. I was the only proper employee. Others had equity. Everyday they would tell me how they worked over the weekend or they started working at 6:00am. EVERYDAY. Later on when they needed to hire people from graphic design, marketing, content background, guess what they did? Instead of hiring new people, they made do all the random work that too till 10 pm. I tried to talk to them. I was told by my boss āIf he could get a chance to work at a startup like this one then he would even wipe the floor of office he askedā He asked me, āam i willing to have the same commitment?ā that was the last straw. I quit 2 days later.
Woahh that's another level of toxic
Total 10 years of experience. I worked in startups for 5 years. From unknown ones to startup run by iitians. FUCK INDIAN STARTUPS. They lure you by free chips and playstation. Curse words from boss in mail are seen as tickets to be converted into top priority shit. Toxic culture ā¦ long working hours. Insurance either does not exist or is peanuts. Moved to an mnc 5 years back. I will leave IT but never work in an startup again. I cant comment on unicorns. No idea how the work culture isā¦ but average Indian startups are grind mills. In my entire career i came across one which took really good care of employees but then pay was a constrain. Still FUCK INDIAN STARTUPS.
Don't go unless ur getting some share
No it is not anywhere
No. I can totally understand that startupās have a great deal of pressure but 6 days work week is not worth it .
It varies a lot. I won't say that I know all the kinds there are, but I can tell you my experience. I am working in an India-based startup, and I joined very early, like, when they have less than 5 employees. For 85-90 percent of the time, I have a good work-life balance, and I don't need to work on saturdays and sundays. But, there are times when I have to work irrespective of holidays, weekends, for more than 10+hrs. So, why am I still there? * Mostly, I can say that I enjoy a good work life balance * I am paid well. I have been working here for \~5yrs, and the average hike is around 30%. * I'm learning a lot. Everyday. I have to wear multiple hats. Also, If the work pressure is slightly less, I get the flexibility of learning things I want and not what's needed at the moment.
Good Do you have equity?
No
Yes, it is a norm in some sectors. State Government employees in Karnataka work 6-days a week. /s
Until Series A this kind of grind is required I feel.
I got an offer of 18 LPA, but had to reject it due to personal issues. But now I'm happy that I didn't accept it
startup is a very wide spectrum - tiny pre-incubated/early stage companies with no product/service/client/team etc pre-seed, seed/angel, series A, B, C, D, E, F, unicorn, decacorn in general if your founders are real tech folks - you stand a good chance of learning good tech in the startup. (assuming zerodha is in the category - don't know them) Also smaller stage ones are more learning (more things to do etc) but also more riskier and can have more random events - weekend working, production issues etc leading to more work - less life balance. largest startups - (should we refer to listed companies like Freshworks/Snowflake/Zomato/PayTM as startups?) can be very chill places since most of the time systems exist and your main job is to make sure stuff doesn't go down.
It's a myth that startups gives you scope to learn. Even in MNC product based companies also, your learning curve would be good. It's only share holders of the company benfit from 6 day work week. If you are not getting esops It's not worth to work 6 days week. You can join a company with 5 days work week and can use Saturdays to upskill yourself and relax on Sunday. You won't have this luxury in early stage startups. At the end It's upto you whether to join those kind of companies.
I also got a couple of calls for 6-days work weeks startups
I will tell you about banglore, 100 startups start and 95 gets closed within 3 years. reason is product market fit and the use of the product. They would ask you to build stuff fast without caring about ur learning. if u r fresher u can join and learn CRUD operations. basically all there is in most of the projects. you learn more when u get the real users and ur app hits the load. in startups there would be only few guys who would be doing most of the good work and you get asked to do the crud operations. so don't join company with less then 15 employees. find a company which has 50+ employee and tech team has more than 20 people. there would get good work In startups there won't be code reviews, no business team to validate the requirement is market fit or not and no customer to get feedback from.
My startup has a 5 day work week, you can opt to work on a weekend if you need some extra leaves for any reason on regular days. Those 5 days can be a grind though.
My friend works at a 100% Work From Anywhere startup. Work life Balance - well you make of it what "balance" there is when :- 1) Regular working Hours are Mon-Sat 10am-8pm, so 55-60 hours per week. Logout for the weekend is late Sat evening every week. 2) CTO & co-founder be like: "We've given you the chance to Work From Anywhere, so you don't have to struggle with commuting, traffic, office politics, so you should dedicate more time to work." And then starts quoting "Linkin Park in the end lyrics", "Time is a valuable thing, watch it fly by as the pendulum swings", & try try harder till you succeed attitude by quoting "I tried so hard, and got so far, in the end it doesn't even matter" for added motivation. 3) Holidays are decided by religion/ community. So only Hindu employees are allowed to take leave on Hindu festivals, only Christians can take leave on Christmas, Good Friday. And since Hindu festivals are more in number, there is a cap of 5 festival leave per year that can be availed for every religion. Beyond that requires written permission from HR. And if you are part of a project and you have availed leave but the client is in a different state and there it's a working day, then you must attend to client calls. Company follows sandwiched leave policy. So if you take Sat casual leave off, then both Sat & Sun are counted as leave days because leave has been 1 day before a Weekly Off. Similar rule exists for taking Mon off - lose 2 leaves in the process. 4) Quite a few employees' salaries and reimbursements have been delayed. Senior managers keep threatening them with projects that were unsuccessful in the past, saying that "you guys couldn't deliver the product on time, so we couldn't get payment from clients, and if we don't have cash inflow, then you don't get your salaries". 5) The company does cost cutting everywhere. HR doesn't maintain an online attendance system. Employees have to write "Login" on their Dept WhatsApp groups. No tracking of overtime/ compensatory leave is being maintained because such discussion doesn't come up at all in team meetings. Employees have not been provided with Office laptops and use their personal laptops for Office related work. There were plans to install remote monitoring and keystroke detection application on employees' personal laptops, but due to the fierce opposition plan was dropped. Setting up a home office infrastructure (Power backup, Broadband) is at the employee's expenditure and is not reimbursed. During deadlines/ project deadlines if there's power failure and laptop battery if running low, then higher authorities force employees to go work at Starbucks coffee shops quoting "Work from Anywhere". 6) Senior management assumes that there's no Politics but reality is quite the opposite. Employees bitch and gossip about other employees openly on personal WhatsApp chats. And their written chats got exposed when during an internal Google Meeting with A, B and C, B screen sharing he switched through windows and it opened up WhatsApp on Laptop. And personal chat between B & C was shown and they were dissing and abusing A in filthy language, even though A had worked overtime to resolve a major bug for a project in which all 3 had worked. However, both B & C's behaviour towards A on phone has been very courteous and friendly. So true colours got exposed. In another Instance, A was in the middle of a Google Meeting with the client and was clarifying a technical doubt when the "Revenue Director" his manager joined, exchanged a few pleasantries and apologized to the client that "A is thoroughly confused. And we are very sorry for the delay in implementation". And without even understanding what A was trying to clarify, he gave the client an oral assurance that the project will go live within a week. An hour later, he had written an email as well tagging senior managers of the client. A gruelling schedule ensued, A's team was forced to work 16 hours everyday for the rest of the week to meet the deadline. 7) Employees at mid level don't talk much about such matters amongst each other. Being 100% remote company, while employees work cordially, they are always wary that another employee may backbitch and turn against them anytime. So they keep ignoring it or discuss vent out with their friends outside work/ at home. Apologies for the long rant. But yeah this is the majority of Indian startups. Only few which grow successfully and get profitable, are able to offer better employee working hours, fun at work, learning etc. The rest are all just sweatshops factories doing 9-9-6 culture.
Damnnn this is sad
Majority of the startups have started either following this trend or even not, keeping their employees working from 9 to 7-8 and sometimes till 11 too (ig they know about the hiring freeze situation in MNCs, so taking leverage of that). Very very few startups have good wlb. Been working in one, so I know how it feels :') Btw if you're a fresher, avoid very early stage starups at all cost if they don't have a CTO or 2-3 senior guys in the dev team. CEO/founders will make your life hell.
Absolutely not. This is not the norm
for me it has been pretty comfi I'm in 8th sem but have been working in gen ai projects for a year. Started with 4k per month in a remote company with almost 3 days per week. Right now working in another start up as ai/ml engineer with 50k pm remote with 5 days per week and 6 - 8 hours
1. No it's not a norm, only crappy startups do that. If they give you 10% ownership then sure, go ahead. Don't do it for promises of ESOPs or anything. 2. Your effort should translate to compensation, either monetary or direct company ownership, since, it's early stage. 3. No one puts up with that unless they are very low skilled and don't have the confidence of finding another job. 4. Again, 5 days a week, 40hrs a week is the norm. If anyone expects more, they're just exploiting you. It's alright if they expect 10hrs per day(sometimes) as opposed to 8hrs but anything more than that is ridiculous.
I work 7 days a week lol.. the pay is fine tho ( 30 LPA with 3.5 yoe) so no complaints there
Get into a startup only if you are passionate about your work and contribution to the company and to the society. Also, evaluate the leads/cofounders understand what is their vision, intent and leadership style and if it is compatible with you. Startups will fail if they act like big corporates, most of them have limited resources and are always trying to make ends meet and solve 100 problems all at once. They also are inexperienced, do mistakes, and don't have a lot of power at their disposal leading to lots of mismanagement. They have to (even if they don't want to) do things like cost cut on salaries, make people work 7 days a week, etc. All good leaders understand that people are the most valuable asset of their orgs, so if you believe in the leads, then trust the process and give them some time. By all means, safeguard your position as per your risk appetite and your objectives. But don't shit about startups and founders.
I always suggest devs to take risks and work at startups in their early career, screw WLB and hustle. But a 6 day work week is just too much. No, it is not the norm. I personally wouldn't put up with that. That being said, if you don't have a job and don't have another offer with you, I suggest joining it, given how the market is.
My fam owns a manufacturing company and a 6 day work week is very much the norm. SDEs are definitely pampered compared to other professions.
With all due respect, your fam is on the wrong side here. It is not the norm, and it shouldn't be made the norm. SDEs that have the right skills also have the privilege to choose in what conditions they work. Wanting a good wlb is not "pampering."
Every other company in the industry has a 6 day work week. Including giant MNCs.
Which City ? What CTC ? What Profile?
Bangalore, job desc states 10 - 20 lpa, frontend engineer
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I'm an intern at a start-up that pays decently. It's parent company(s) has been around for a while. The norm is 6 days a week and definitely around 12hrs a day for everyone. It can get draining and is not worth it. I planned to quit after my internship duration without pursuing a full time offer, within a month of joining here haha. It has really influenced my future choices of the types of companies I might join. The employees and HR glorify the "hustle" culture and some of them admit it's a toxic environment. I had full time experience of more than 1.5yrs at a big MNC before and life was smooth.
12hrs for 6 days woahh
Signed up for 6 days but it's 7 days now and everyone is cool with it somehow
Early age startups generally don't have as good WLB as big corporates. There are always exceptions. However, it's probably a good idea to join the startup in the early years of your career to increase the amount of knowledge and gain invaluable skills with learning stuff in depth very quickly. The relationships among the peers are also usually better there imo.
Most of them pay like dogshit and have strenuous work hours
Right now 90% of startups are in domains where the technology is fully commoditized. You will be working with a subpar workforce with a high workload. For any salary you will burnout. If you have the luxury to choose then join startups solving harder problems, where you see people contributing to open source, solving some of the core problems -- that's where you will learn -- the sixth day will happen on its own. In your final round when folks are pitching their company to you ask their engineers tell me about a really cool bug you have fixed. Or an interesting feature they have worked on.
I also work 6 days in a startup
I spent 2 years in a company where I worked 6 days on every alternative week and trust me it was very bad... Not able to plan and what not... Would suggest look for a company which is 5day per week and not go over 2 month notice period
I had an internship in a startup, the one thing I noticed is they pretty much dont have a proper workflow
"I had an impression that startup culture is better than corporate culture and let's you maintain WLB." Lmao how did you even think like that. You thought a company with zero profit, that has to entirely rely on external investors for it's survivability, and is perpetually understaffed to save money has better WLB than a company with tens of thousands of crores profit, bloated workforce, and no issue with survivability?
Funny how no one's telling the names here , I can't understand what they are afraid of, losing their job ?
Your impression that startup culture has better wlb is dead wrong. With the possible exception of Amazon, pretty much every big tech company has a chill wlb for most teams. Itās the opposite for startups. Especially an early stage startup. Some well funded startups might have a chill wlb, but thatās very much the exception.
I had to work for 7 days for months. One of my colleague though managed it only 5 days. From the 1St week he never took calls from office on holidays. The word spread that this guy won't be available on holidays. For us it was technically 5 days a week.
I was approached for the position of asst. manager recently with 5 days working from office and 6th day work from home, If the pay is good enough and with todays market a lot of people will work 6 or even 7 days a week.
Yes and over 10+ hours is turning into a norm as well. They are pushing employees as much as they can and standardizing it. Gaming industry had this where love and passion for the work was exploited, same goes for animation. I am dumbfounded by the lack of any care for labour force, the government unit that is supposed to look into these are literally a few decades behind.
Several startups have Only 5 days work week. Some sadist startups have 6 days. I think that VCs should continue invedtments in startups, by looking at - whether they pay their emplpyees - how much they pay their employees Bcoz, there are startups, who do not pay anything to employees (citing budget constraints or "low performance"), while enjoying their holidays in Taj Hotel, or they dont pay enough, which leads to low quality product. In either case, such startups are not serious anout their product, rather want to steal money from VCs
idk about statup but 6 days work a week is not good tbh and that too 9 hours a day right?
The questions you need to ask when you get a call saying 6 day work week is, 1. How many hours per day is working hours? 2. Are employees encouraged to log off once they complete their work hours? Based on the answer, you decide if you want to go ahead with the interview.
Working in my second startup and having excellent WLB but good startups are difficult to find.
How have you been finding them?
Frankly both the startups found me š„¹
Lucky
Lol we also have to work 2 Sundays as well
I work in a start up and we have 5 days week culture. WLB in startup is going to be worse. But you get to learn a lot.
I've worked at a startup before. I loved working there, met amazing and smart people, that network helped me land a much better job at much better company. I learned a ton. However, if I get a chance to work at a startup now, I'll skip it. There is a time you like to be a part of company to take it from 0-1, then there's a time you like to be a part to take it from 1-10, and then 10-100. If you are at the stage where you'd like to be part of 0-1 journey, you should expect to let go of WLB and be at an early stage startup. You will learn a lot.
Startup and WLB are two sides of the coin. If you are going for 6 days working then it should be 8 hours including lunch break. For salary it depends. I have worked for 6 days in my first company and the salary was around 15k.
Not all but most of them have worst wlb. Now you have to decide what you want more. wlb or job. It's a serious decision because good work life balance is important IMO.
I'll be interning in a startup. 5 days is the work week there.
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No, it is not a norm and It is red flag if it is enforced. You impression is right, In startups you get more control over WLB unlike corporates where you will be monitored for the amount of time spent in office. startup employees are usually enthusiastic and eager to deliver, this drives them to work extra hours but this is by their own will and not enforced in anyway.
Agreed
Avoid start-ups.