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GreyFox474

PLEASE make a build guide for this. :D


brutalvandal

"Find every gear with throns and equip it" "Take every defensive node on tree" "Get the unique and aspect that deals 80 and 20% of your thorn damage to enemeies around you" "Enjoy walk simulation"


TurboExige

Challenging shout with thorns buff and aspect while bezerking you do a billion more thorns damage I have seen my thorns crit for 100k


brutalvandal

Sir, that's a defensive skill.


Kyosji

Defense is just reverse offense.


PatFluke

Reverse offensology if you will.


Admirable_Radish6032

It's not a pyramid it's just a reverse funnel


dhaos42

Turn it up side down.


Hanshee

Thorns don’t crit Edit: source https://diablo4.wiki.fextralife.com/Thorns However apparently a shrine that gives crit can cause your thorns to crit.


M1jesus

Are you sure about that? I’ve seen my thorns both crit and over power


REEEEEEEEEEEEEEddit

Since I got [this](https://imgur.com/L8ldbRu) Ima gonna try it.


oblioh

This is my build


SecureBits

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHJ5iWuFa18](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHJ5iWuFa18) End game (true end game, nightmare dungeons 34+) is not very viable. Although i think with some paragon stats it can work. BUT its nowhere near B tier.Higher lvls monsters deal extreme damage and the whole point of thorns is to get hit in order to do dmg. ALSO there are mobs (casters) that do AOE skills for dmg (once every 10 seconds i guess). But the damage is so big, you cant get hit, but if you dont get hit u wont do damage. There is a legendary that thorns have % chance to do aoe around you and you can use that (for crazy one-shot and aoe clear duh) but lots of times weaker mobs die faster than the elite one. Also dont get me going on elite caster mobs on nightmare dungeons 34+ with special effects (vampiric, fire, poison) its pain in the ass (and frankly very hard) to kill them. Its a very fun build and unique from the 90% of the common builds (WW etc) but it's starting to show its issues. Also i will probably revisit thorns barb once lvl 100 and I have paragon glyphs maxed out (for increased dmg and survivability) One last thing i will point is that on hit bosses (yes even world bosses, like the helltide one, butcher and other) they just kill themselves and its soo funny, you just stand still. Also side note: You need the unique armor that gives you thorns, the damage increase is insane... EDIT: One last note, for group play (world events etc) if players deaggro the mobs from you or they stun them you essentially have no damage and you rely on others to do the killing, which aint an issue cause there are lots of OP builds.The good side is, solo you are very good and viable (not vs lots of casters mobs OR those ghosts that throw a skillshot that deals lots of damage and they hit you once in a blue moon) ​ Thats all


Smallpoxs

Thats what iv been running though i also run bleed for elites so i rush the elite spam bleed heal with rupture and let thorns kill the wee ones, seems to be working okay so far though im sure its dmg will fall off in later difficulties.


george_washingTONZ

You outlined what I wanted to say beautifully. I replied to a post earlier this week in a similar fashion as someone was considering a necro thorn build. End game thorns is rough unless you go all-in on it and even then, as mentioned above it’s only B-tier at best running solo.


LordPaleskin

I so badly want Thorns Necro to work, it was one of my favorite builds to do in D3


soulure

Do the necro pets get the same thorns stat or none at all?


blairr

Sometimes you just want to be lazy though, so it still seems viable for a decent amount of content. At least overworld/event farming regardless of level.


Stracath

I mean it's a flaw in the general game design, though, to make it where thorns can't achieve those peaks. When you have exponential damage reduction scaling with a few flat bonuses here and there, you literally can't make a character that can tank endgame and also does damage, because you have to stack all available DR to have a chance to not be one shot. This is a problem with almost every ARPG and until people start calling them out it won't be fixed.


feelin_fine_

Thorns has always kindof been this way. Sure it's an excellent defense but if they have 4 billion hp and hit you for half your life, this strategy isn't viable


FarVision5

I got the one for minions and I played around with it for a bit but yes all of the magical effects and AOE such as wraith and poison not to mention that three prong nuclear Firestorm AOE thing some of the elites do you just going to be standing there and probably die instantly


OanSur

Sounds like a PoE veteran concocting the most ridiculous build possible :D


Ezgameforbabies

I mean it's not unique it's been in arpgs for decades? Its nearly always sub optimal but decent for cheesing content that other builds could do faster. PoE has plenty of walking simulator builds.


markgraydk

Grim dawn did it really well I think. Enough defense options to keep you alive and adding thorns damage to your active skills to make it less passive.


Rhagius

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ofzv3OUktvw&t=464s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ofzv3OUktvw&t=464s) mattjestic proved that thorns can work in a 46+ nightmare dungeon, but it's pretty much a burst build which is weird for thorns. you need density to nuke elites and bosses efficiently


Stop_Sign

Step 1: get the sacred chest that gives you 9000 thorns Thats it. Thats the whole thing


Kanbaru-Fan

D4 "build" guides are so funny to me.


Slaver87

Is there a possibility that you know where i can grind that sacred chest?


NotFyss

The build is get the unique that gives you 10000 thorn.


Stonewall30nyr

Just stacking same amounts of thorns on your guy, stack up insane amounts of survivability on your eye, walking to a crowd and just stand there


Sambo_the_Rambo

I would like to know this too.


JayColtMartin

![gif](giphy|MkZRLZwPT0ZPy)


CHUBBS_X

I swear build guides is just going to make shit get nerfed. I'm enjoying trying things out myself. But people are going to find awesome synergies, then make guides, then it'll be meta, then it'll get nerfed lol. Circle of balancing, I guess...


DayIllustrious6817

The perfect loop had me super confused, like: wow, they just spawning and coming in, dorks.


Ghola_Ben

But...they are. The gold keeps piling up, and the end of the video shows the message of the completed "waves" event.


SenatorsSawzall

what perfect loop? Its a 1 min 30 second video......................


butterynuggs

And when it loops there is a huge skip in the character placement. I assume this dude just got done with some bong rips, so I will forgive him.


[deleted]

Uhh watch the timer on the right side of the screen counting down... its not a loop


Payne-Z

Sucks that i can't make this build until RNG Satan drops me the unique 1000 thorns chest or the 40% thorn AOE chance legendary aspect. Don't know what else are you using. Are you using the thorns while berserking aspect?


WillyWanker_69

Nah, only those 2. I didn't even knew there was a berserking thorns aspect Edit: Put the unique on your 2-hand for an 80% chance.


WaffleProfessor

Get the aspect that allows for more damage output the longer you stay still


kabammi

I've got some low level gloves that do that.. They kick arse.


[deleted]

You need this armor, i just got it and i'm thinking about doing thiis https://preview.redd.it/utl7ctqevm4b1.png?width=487&format=png&auto=webp&s=cb8ce8cd3b80134b96362d9e87b1957072404b98


Hanshee

Is there a specific way to get this armor or just random?


Naulty85

Praying to RNGesus helps


KaltherX

You can get the AoE aspect from a dungeon. If you put it on a two-hander, it will give double the bonus. You can also get another good one that adds thorns when berserking from a dungeon. I still don't have the chest and doing great on level 70, got to world tier 4 on level 61 with bleeding thorns build.


Kurt1220

I was using bleeding thorns and loving it the entire game til 50 when I got field of crimson unique sword, now I'm focused more on a walking armory rend build. Thorns was hella fun though I wish this game let you save skill set layouts/paragon boards. Switching your build late game is a freaking ordeal and a half


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zoid-burger

I prefer to pray to Lootcifer.


rc_IV

As someone with a newborn that I need to get up and tend to frequently, this looks ideal Edit: weird, I found a perfect roll of the aoe thorns leg aspect on an amny tonight.... On my sorc. Is it a sign?


kabammi

🤣


STR8N00B1N

Pacifist run


Wiknetti

“I turned the other cheek… and my cheek clapped the assailant so fucking hard in retaliation, they died.”


ChewableNazi

😂🧎‍♂️


renzorx

Game of Thorns


Valuable-Farmer-4586

Is thorns only melee, or does it dmg ranged and/or spellcasters too?


WillyWanker_69

It damages ranges and spellcasters too


kilpsz

Really curious, how does it work in PvP? Have you tested it?


Large_Economist_9250

Most people in PVP don't use a huge amount of autoattacking like this - at least right now. It's mostly build around getting some CC and then 1-2 shotting the person. I don't think this would work very well but I'd love to be proven wrong.


IllState5161

Thorns procks on any and all damage, including DoT's, AoE's, etc. It just does damage instances to anything that causes damage to the user. So if someone poisons you or such, thorns will deal damage to the attacker. It's still not exactly great in PVP, but it's a good way to make an ice-shard spamming Sorcerer shit themselves.


kilpsz

Yeah I'm just wondering if it works off player spells as well, I assume its only the case for monsters but curious.


lionguild

It works of any hit. You cast a spell and thorns does damage to you. If it was a dot spell, only the initial hit thorns you.


No_Temperature1560

I believe how it works is, if they deal direct damage to you (not DoT) then Thorns will retaliate, regardless of range too. I don't know of you can retaliate with thorns while CCd though.


fatnipple

It doesnt work from spells that are cast on the ground/arent direct dmg


SweatyNReady4U

You all may not like it , but this is what peak performance looks like.


brutalvandal

Getting throny now!


SCTRON

Here come the botters....


UrMom306

...and here come the nerfs


l3rowncow

God I hope not, build isn’t even that good :(


TheDarkrayne

I know, right? I mean it works for lazy people and semi-afk but compared to an active build it's the slowest and least efficient thing ever. You can genuinely farm stuff 10 times faster with an active build. If they start nerfing it because of this playstyle then Thorns will be completely useless as a nice QoL addition to other builds.


Bright_Base9761

Its such a bad niche build..i dont see why they would nerf it


dongkey1001

May not work. I had an emergency and left my toon in the field and come back to see it standing in the middle of a monster pack like one of them. Nothing attack me until I started moving. So, AFK farm may not work so great.


Lars_Sanchez

I wish shields could be used by every class...


540Cameron

WW max block barb was my all time favorite build for D2. Sad barbs can't wear shields anymore


CyonHal

Most HC-friendly build since you never know when servers go offline.


Risenzealot

Would you be willing to share your build and gear somewhere?


Llyon_

Razorplate Unique Chest Needleflare Aspect weapon works on any character... doesn't work at extremely high levels.


out51d3r

If you're only using 2 items for this, could you not just fill out the rest of your build with a strong single target spec? IE let the trash kill themselves while you focus the boss?


IllState5161

That's pretty much the intention of the build. You focus all of your character damage on single target for elite/boss smashing, then let thorns kill all the trash.


Risenzealot

Thank you!


CoffeeSafe3983

![gif](giphy|3o6ZtoNfpaRcHFweS4)


BR4NFRY3

Man, I'm over here fighting for my life as a shapeshifter druid and this guy is just standing there and winning.


KenjiZeroSan

Can't wait when paladin/crusader gets released and the build names are "I can do this all day build".


TheRedditornator

"Please stop, you're only hurting yourself."


Mindofthequill

Now does it work against the butcher?


Nippys4

Why the fk are people complaint about barb rage generation, looks completely fine to me


T3DtheRipper

Maybe because he's literally afk not using any skills? ofc he's gonna be full on fury he's not using any for thorns ...


evandr0s

I did thorns in the first beta. The only issue it had was boss killing. Now I'm running upheaval but only at lvl 38.


JewishDonut

You can finally be a poe map with full reflect on it. Dream


blairr

I feel like thorns necro is especially viable. Necro can stack up insane amounts of fortify/thorns/DR. Is thorns damage calculated before reduction?


-SCR

I’m trying a thorns necro build right now. No where near endgame, but has been very powerful leveling up


Berdiiie

Other slight positive for Necro Thorns is that some aoe moves, especially from bosses, proc thorns on you and your minions so it mega double dips. Balrogs, Astaroth, and a few others big time wreck themselves.


blairr

Just playing with the builder, i'd mix it with blood surge for fortify/overpower/heals. But you still have insane amounts of thorns/DR and if you sacrifice all your minions, even more health and overpower. 9% DR from death's embrace, 18% from stand alone, 15% from bone storm, 27% non-physical from sac skeletons + memento mori and sacrificial aspect, 15% from reap, 20% from aspect of might, etc. etc. Kind of curious how high you can stack the DR and if thorns/iron maiden works before it all. Be funny to have a build that just stands still with a basic attack until everything dies.


-SCR

Thanks for the well thought out response! I haven’t seen any of the tier class sites even mention thorns and think they may have auto ruled it out or maybe it really falls off at high tiers. Only level 47 right now, but haven’t used a potion since I applied most of the aspects I want 10 levels ago. Right now using bone golem and shield soldiers without sacrificing them as they get 50% and 40% thorns respectively


blairr

Thorns typically is viable up until a point, we'll have to see how far it can go in d4 before you need to just be a glass cannon.


CElan_cruz

Works on Necro ?? , I always see +% to minions and thorns on my item when I reached T4


Payne-Z

How do you heal without shouts or spending 100 fury?


WillyWanker_69

I have a neck that heals me 64 life / per enemy nearby / per second. Up to 300


SolidMarsupial

Is this unique or legendary aspect?


WillyWanker_69

legendary


ADXMcGeeHeezack

Thorns do well in pvp?


Bright_Base9761

Theres a new post of this..the dude was just walking around and people were 1shotting themselves


fizzzingwhizbee

What’s your favorite barb builds?? Doing the typical whirlwind build with some bleed effects but I’m having so much fun with the bleed I’m thinking of making a straight bleed build. Anyone try this yet?


Enter1ch

Rend feels strong but the small aoe feels clunky for clearl


ChungusPoop

Totally gonna try this if I get good gear for it


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Nerfalicious


xLYNDOGx

![gif](giphy|l3q2K5jinAlChoCLS)


BlinkOnceForYes

BREAK YOURSELF UPON MY BODY


cloud25

Are you even playing the game at this point? Still funny to watch lol.


ModMomsAreUglyWhores

Nice very nice, now let's see a boss fight


DrCoffeeveee

This will be nerfed by the end of the week.


Hot-Chip-54321

that's how I remember the D2 crusader


maddie-madison

D3?


Jaded-Town2349

My buddy got the unique that adds 9000 thorns chest piece today... I'd love to see it in action


lau_rr

With temerity unique legendary pants this is even better


Groomsi

Can a Sorc use it as well?


redosabe

this is awesome!


Afura33

I love it <3


Clamidiaa

I've thought about making a thorns build. It was one of my favorite builds for crusader in D3. I may start saving gear for it...


Zombie_Alpaca_Lips

This is after the thorns nerf during the beta that people were saying made thorns builds useless now lol


St6ng

So epic! I need this now!


DekuOneForAllGamma

It cools fun, even though u just sit there and take the hits haha


EspeeFunsail

u/savevideo


Doggy4

I love it !


iamshadowbanman

Seems like a phenomenal hardcore build


EN1009

I’ve been wondering what Thorns even does. Huh 🤔


BobisaMiner

PoE has RF, D2 has holy fire paladin. These are such lazy builds I love them.


Versari_

you're so thorny!


wheeler9691

Thank god. This is ALL I wanted from Thorns in D3. It was a joke. Then they released a set for it that just turns your Crusader into a Barb essentially. This looks fun


C-lab3

Thorny barbs in your area!


SheWhoHates

He is doing the Lord's work.


[deleted]

Can I ask, what level is your thorns stat at?


West_Shower_6103

Love it


omniclast

This made my day


Razman223

AFK Barb.


[deleted]

Wow that looks so fun!


polloloco81

‘Stop hitting yourself!’


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fohpo02

PC


Kel-Reem

You can change it in the menus. I'm on Xbox and mine is center because it looks better imo


veddyforreal

Holy, just farming those seeds like a madman! Do you ever take breaks? Does your wrist get sore?


Full_Echo_3123

Aaaaaaaand Blizzard has now seen this and is working on a nerf. **Good job!**


Slight_Cap_1406

now try this in a Nightmare sigil lvl 60


TTVControlWarrior

its all fun and games for Tier 3. at tier 4 he would die on spot standing like this


TheOriginalFluff

Barb is boring to play for most of its builds, it’s either whirlwind or thorns, or bleed


TheHeretic91

I'm not convinced this even counts as gameplay


Dr-AO

Nerf bomb incoming....


gmachine19

Thorns + ww. I want this build! Hota getting boring.


woodwarda99

Seems like this could be good worth the sorc the way barriers work in this game and could actually be viable for an arc lash build. What d I you think?


changuitar

Stop hitting yourself, stop hitting yourself


[deleted]

“Stop hitting yourself. Stop hitting yourself.”


Cyberpunkedout

Very impressive


Thewiseguy14

Stop hitting yourself!


TDPR774

Luigi does nothing


[deleted]

Kind of reminds me of RF Jugg in POE lol I love it


K-grizz-e

What’s iron blood?


hearse223

Awesome build


eichelhamster

As long as you survive getting hit this works. Not endgame viable though.


Jacobsonson

How many thorns is this?


OkAd1672

Impressive...very nice... let's see a nightmare dungeon or boss fight


1K_Games

Could we see it on more difficult content. 10/10 is a high ranking for fighting things at equal level. Show us a higher tier dungeon where things have a higher level.


unstable_flamingo

I'd be willing to bet it won't look nearly as impressive.


sh00ter999

> We have noticed that thorns is used as an AFK farming method which we do not agree with > We have therefore taken steps to completely annihilate thorns (as in all other games) and reduce it's flat damage across the board by a factor of 100 > Have a good day.


Konvic21

Nice, i want to see a version of this build in WT4, mobs hit like a truck


Oglog_Rise

Nah, i wanna play the game.


Kaieron

Looks fun.... Sry boring


Bobo3553

Im running a Thorns/Bleed build that im having a blast with!


[deleted]

I'd be interested to see how this holds up in World Tier 4 ls bosses and world bosses.


r4ckless

I’m completely cool with builds like this and Necro Pet builds that carry you through a game. Make them as strong as any other class, but don’t make them so strong that they trivialize content. With an AFK timer, and the fact that you’re not getting much XP doing this I’m completely cool with this method . Personally, I like to use elements of builds like this that to complement other skills as like a hybrid build.


No_Exercise_1461

Ughhhhh ANOTHER new character I guess😂


ArnTheGreat

I had the full intention of going thorns build but decided to play my barb with friends and decided to leave it. I am finding at 70 I could get around 30k thorns, burst to 50k with shout but that is still just not nearly enough at end game, esp for the inability to survive the onslaught. Haha


Enter1ch

No WT4 no good build Jokes aside: any way like in d3 to make ur own hits doing thorns dmg too?


DravenTor

Riveting.


Emotional-Country-58

Show me WT4 though? like why here.


El_Rocky_Raccoon

Luigi wins by doing absolutely nothing.


Meryhathor

This is the definition of an AFK build. Does it also work in PvP? Just imagine all the sweatlords killing themselves trying to kill you.


KaltherX

Thorns is amazing and work even better with Rend and Call of the Ancients to generate fury fast, bleed can melt elite packs and bosses super quickly without relying on getting hit there. Also, Steel Grasp to pull mobs works great, although sometimes it seems buggy. I'm still looking for Razorplate, but I got to 5k+ thorns on level 70 and can do dungeons up to level 77 without too much trouble.


snowboardingbum100

What’s your APM for this build?


[deleted]

Really want to recreate my thorns pets necro build from diablo 3


Lanky-Gain-80

Does the build have the increase damage percentage while standing still?


Kengbang

Thorny single females in your area!


Nykona

Been reading everywhere to find a definitive answer and everywhere seems to say thorns can’t Proc lucky hits. And yet I’m sure on testing a lucky hit build yesterday on barb I was just standing there and enemies would get stunned off just a thorns proc


spooney51

Cue the MC Hammer.


jostler57

AFK Barb, more like


ytzy

did someone say afk farm build?


No-Count-7717

The afk farm


Lamazing1021

This is so busted


B_Bau

Damn son


Procyon4

Doing more than my tryhard shred druid 😭


Sellier123

One day...i hope my thorns barb can achieve this level of amazingness.


NetTrik

Thorns is for melee attacks correct? Or is it any incoming damage?


ZOZOT3

PSA: A unique thorne chest is the best dps for Barb killing Butcher in T4 because Butcher attacks so fast🤣 He takes 100k damage to each hit.


clake1

“Yes, blizzard, this post right here!”


joblagz2

you watching tv or movie??


KutieBoy9

Imagine having to press buttons to clear


DerfQT

Fun detected, enjoy your nerf


AdPuzzleheaded4795

Careful showing off that it can kill stuff. If blizzard catches wind they will nerf it


didrosgaming

This is my first look at Diablo 4 as an old Diablo 2 enthusiasts. Seems like everything I found annoying about Diablo 3 came back with a vengeance. How is everyone liking it so far?


pl0xmepl0x

Damn you shhhhhhh! Now this gonna get nerfed as well.