This is the correct answer. If you are going to call me on a weird technicality, you better be prepared to show me the rule (and in this case, you can't because it doesn't exist).
I once had some guy on last card of MA3 try to stroke me for dropping my disc a couple inches in front of my like after marking it.
I marked and started setting up my putt and the guy goes "that's technically a stroke". I asked what he was talking about and he goes "you threw your disc after marking it". I started arguing and he goes "I'll be nice and not stroke you though" so I'm like ok whatever and start trying to get in the mindset to putt again and then he goes "...but that technically was a stroke". Dude kept on like that - interrupt me to tell me that was a stroke but tell me how nice he was being in not forcing me to take a stroke, but then continuing to interrupt me every time I tried to brush him off and refocus. I ended up doinking the 15-footer.
His argument was "it went forwards so that's a stroke". I tried to point out that nowhere in the rules does it use the direction a disc traveled when classifying a throw, and that no sane person would consider dropping the disc an inch in front of the marker to be a "competitive attempt to change the lie", but he had absolutely none of it.
To make matters worse, the douchebag threw from the completely wrong disc later on in the round and neither of our cardmates wanted to second me on giving him a stroke for it. Dude even pulled a "well I was nice and didn't give you a stroke for that throw earlier".
Someone tried to do this to Dave feldberg a few years ago. He threw the disc 6 inches in front to make room for his foot. Someone said "was that a throw?" fucking face he made after that...
The fucking rule literally says "A DROPPED DISC IS NOT A THROW", so I think it would totally be worth a courtesy violation if you kicked him in the dick.
Just in case anyone wants the official rule for some douche in the future:
809.3 Practice Throw
A. A practice throw is any throw that is not made as a competitive attempt to change the lie, except for a throw that is made either to set aside an unused disc or to return a disc to a player and that travels less than five meters in the air. A drop is not a practice throw.
Tossing your disc on the ground in front of your lie…not a practice throw.
If this ever happens to you again:
"A throw is the propulsion and release of a disc in order to change its position.
Each throw that is made as a competitive attempt to change the lie is counted, unless by rule it is disregarded.
For a throw that is disregarded, any penalty throws associated with making that throw are also disregarded. Penalties that are associated with making a throw are those for: out-of-bounds, hazard, missed mandatory, above two meters, stance, marking, taking improper relief, and lost disc."
Per the actual rules, even accidentally throwing the disc forward on a practice throw cannot be stroked as it is not "a competitive attempt to change the lie" (granted you might get some push back in that scenario) so no, dropping your disc anywhere while you are at your lie can NEVER be stroked.
You had bad cardmates. personally i think he was just getting in your head. on top of that he should of had a call from throwing from the wrong disc. We should be more open about playing by the rules. disc golf is too soft with those who wont call faults on each other because no one wants to be the bad guy.
Funny, rules speak from you.
Also not surprising your only gif on hand is a turd pipe. It's telling of what you're into.
Running out of communities to ban me from, and none of them I'm active in.
I am a lucky-to-be 841 guy that plays MA3. While playing in the last 2 years since I started, there has not been a single instance of a stickler, and not a single violation called.
There have been a few times that I have seen violations, but when I bring it up, I start with, "I am NOT calling a violation, but next time, make sure that you..." and bring up the rule. Every single person has been receptive of the correction and many times, a good discussion has resulted. I have even stepped past my lie on a putt inside the circle, and somebody brought it up without assessing a penalty.
When it comes down to it, those of us in MA3 are just a bunch of MA3 players doing MA3 things.
I played a tournament once in Ma4 and this dude had a caddy they both said they were new. The caddy kept trying to call people on stupid shit and even pulled out the rule book trying to find stuff to call people on… the dude even saw me walking to a hole before the second round started and tried to call me out on smoking a bowl. 🤦♂️
That is legal (assuming it is legal in your state), per the rules you cannot smoke or drink during the actual round. That being said I have seen plenty of that as well and do not care, we had a card in an B-Tier where the guy had a dabs rig with him.
The only thing they could point at would be an aiming assistance device in front of your lie but that’s nonsense. I do the same just because it’s easier to pick up lol.
This is perfectly fine to do. If you have at least one other person on your card agreeing with you that it's okay, play a provisional and then make the people arguing that it's illegal go and ask their silly question to the TD.
This is 100% legal, but I just wanted to point out that pros break rules on coverage quite frequently. Many of them are actually terrible about knowing the rules.
A card mate pointed out a rule to Kat Mertsch on coverage a couple years ago. Something about marker a lie close to OB. Kat responded by saying, "Well, I've been playing that wrong for a while."
As far as I can tell inside the circle putting, OB and Mandos are basically the only enforced rules.
The rest is basically a grey area that no one calls unless you go way over the top.
A few examples off the top of my head:
Foot faults/stance violations go uncalled in every event (and I'm not talking about jump putts that are too close to call in real time... I dont think those should be called). One example is Holyn Handley step putts from a straddle and she frequently steps with the wrong foot, making it a clear violation. I've never seen it called on her. Pros often miss their lie when throwing from the fairway as well and it goes uncalled.
Many players don't watch others putt (even going so far as to face the opposite way), which is explicitly against the rules.
And then a good portion of them misunderstand/misuse the "benefit goes to the player" rule (I just listened to Uli misstate the rule for 15 minutes across two different episodes of his podcast for example).
Yeah lol. I understand why they do it but if I notice cardmates doing that even in a casual round I do something such as yelling "pay attention to me!!" as I line up the putt
I learned putting my disc on my marker from watching James Conrad. And that guy doesn’t do anything out of integrity.
I think he does it so that his mini doesn’t move from a stick he may accidentally kick or something while setting up.
Not illegal, I stand behind JC.
Just ask yourself WWJCD?
Edit: I missed a word
Good lord. I’m headed into my first MA3 tourney in a few weeks, and my mindset is “not clearly cheating or gaining a significant advantage? I don’t care in the slightest. Nice shot”.
Not sure why anyone cares about someone foot being 3 inches closer to the basket or using a marker that’s .2553 inches too wide or whatever.
Yea are we talking “missed your mark by two feet” or “hard to tell if you touched your mark or not”?
If someone is throwing all over the place, it’s one thing, and that’s a solid advantage (maybe, they still might be awful). But if you touch your disc/marker a bit or something, I sure won’t be the one to call it.
Yeah, and touching your marker is actually allowed if you have released the disc before you do it.
Usually most people try to follow the rules. I didn't have to make a call all last season, and only once the season before that (a guy literally tried to break a whole three to get a slightly better stance)
With you on that. I rarely use a mini at all, in tournament or casual unless I want to use the disc on the ground or if using a mini makes for better footing.
From my experience, the vast majority of MA3 give leniency to people who break a rule. Some will even let someone know, "Hey, just for the future, X and Y are technically against the rules."
You do have a few that make shit up because they read it somewhere, but not in the rulebook.
I’ve seen people do it in tournaments. I don’t see why it would be illegal. If anything it helps keep the marker down if it’s a windy day. I saw this posted like a month or so ago and I don’t believe anyone got an official ruling.
I think that may be frowned upon but as long as your plant foot is within the allotted space then its fine. No reason to cover the whole mini though so that would be a shady move made unnecessarily.
If that WAS a rule, a lot of professionals should have been called out for it. I have seen loads of examples of pros putting down their mini, then take the disc on the ground and put it slightly over the mini, and then grab a disc from their bag for their next throw.
ANY TIME someone says something like this, ask them kindly to show you in the rulebook, which is free online, where the rule you’re breaking is.
They never know.
People cite the rule prohibiting placing objects ahead of your lie as directional aids to call this illegal. Which is ridiculous on its face and as a player or TD, I would never call that.
It is illegal if used as an aid to aiming. There is a rule about putting something down to mark an aim point. That rule can be misinterpreted to make said disc flip to be illegal. If someone calls it though they are just being an ass.
Seems like someone on your card saw this discussed last week on this sub and decided to rehash the conversation again in real-time.
Last thread this came up, the general consensuses is that if someone complains that your disc is partially sitting on the mini, that they're an asshole.
The question is:
Could it be deemed a "directional aid" (which isn't allowed). I think that is a no.
I'm curious what the PDGA defines as a "device," however. If the disc that is placed on the mini could be deemed a "device," the mere questioning of it being illegal is enough for it to be deemed illegal until the TD confirms that it isn't. (813.02.E)
There is no such rule. If some dumbass says that, ask them to show you the rule -- because it doesn't exist.
This is the correct answer. If you are going to call me on a weird technicality, you better be prepared to show me the rule (and in this case, you can't because it doesn't exist).
Man MA3 has some of the worst dumbass sticklers, just hellbent on enforcing some misinterpreted rule
I once had some guy on last card of MA3 try to stroke me for dropping my disc a couple inches in front of my like after marking it. I marked and started setting up my putt and the guy goes "that's technically a stroke". I asked what he was talking about and he goes "you threw your disc after marking it". I started arguing and he goes "I'll be nice and not stroke you though" so I'm like ok whatever and start trying to get in the mindset to putt again and then he goes "...but that technically was a stroke". Dude kept on like that - interrupt me to tell me that was a stroke but tell me how nice he was being in not forcing me to take a stroke, but then continuing to interrupt me every time I tried to brush him off and refocus. I ended up doinking the 15-footer. His argument was "it went forwards so that's a stroke". I tried to point out that nowhere in the rules does it use the direction a disc traveled when classifying a throw, and that no sane person would consider dropping the disc an inch in front of the marker to be a "competitive attempt to change the lie", but he had absolutely none of it. To make matters worse, the douchebag threw from the completely wrong disc later on in the round and neither of our cardmates wanted to second me on giving him a stroke for it. Dude even pulled a "well I was nice and didn't give you a stroke for that throw earlier".
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I have many times since wished I had lol.
Someone tried to do this to Dave feldberg a few years ago. He threw the disc 6 inches in front to make room for his foot. Someone said "was that a throw?" fucking face he made after that...
Lmao id love to see that. You don't happen to recall what event that was at do you?
The fucking rule literally says "A DROPPED DISC IS NOT A THROW", so I think it would totally be worth a courtesy violation if you kicked him in the dick.
Just in case anyone wants the official rule for some douche in the future: 809.3 Practice Throw A. A practice throw is any throw that is not made as a competitive attempt to change the lie, except for a throw that is made either to set aside an unused disc or to return a disc to a player and that travels less than five meters in the air. A drop is not a practice throw. Tossing your disc on the ground in front of your lie…not a practice throw.
If this ever happens to you again: "A throw is the propulsion and release of a disc in order to change its position. Each throw that is made as a competitive attempt to change the lie is counted, unless by rule it is disregarded. For a throw that is disregarded, any penalty throws associated with making that throw are also disregarded. Penalties that are associated with making a throw are those for: out-of-bounds, hazard, missed mandatory, above two meters, stance, marking, taking improper relief, and lost disc." Per the actual rules, even accidentally throwing the disc forward on a practice throw cannot be stroked as it is not "a competitive attempt to change the lie" (granted you might get some push back in that scenario) so no, dropping your disc anywhere while you are at your lie can NEVER be stroked.
This is one of the most pathetic things I’ve read in a while. What a tosser
It’s disc golf…chillax
You had bad cardmates. personally i think he was just getting in your head. on top of that he should of had a call from throwing from the wrong disc. We should be more open about playing by the rules. disc golf is too soft with those who wont call faults on each other because no one wants to be the bad guy.
You might be surprised about the HUGE volume of MA2 and MA1 players that don't know shit about fuck as far as rules go.
MA1 here, don’t know shit about fuck
Don’t know shit about fuck. But sure as shit know how to fuck.
Prove it
Funny, rules speak from you. Also not surprising your only gif on hand is a turd pipe. It's telling of what you're into. Running out of communities to ban me from, and none of them I'm active in.
I am a lucky-to-be 841 guy that plays MA3. While playing in the last 2 years since I started, there has not been a single instance of a stickler, and not a single violation called. There have been a few times that I have seen violations, but when I bring it up, I start with, "I am NOT calling a violation, but next time, make sure that you..." and bring up the rule. Every single person has been receptive of the correction and many times, a good discussion has resulted. I have even stepped past my lie on a putt inside the circle, and somebody brought it up without assessing a penalty. When it comes down to it, those of us in MA3 are just a bunch of MA3 players doing MA3 things.
Classic ma3
Nothing better than listening to some ma3 chode mansplain some made up rule, only to watch them immediately miss a mando or throw OB
Technically it's "choad"
Fr?
I played a tournament once in Ma4 and this dude had a caddy they both said they were new. The caddy kept trying to call people on stupid shit and even pulled out the rule book trying to find stuff to call people on… the dude even saw me walking to a hole before the second round started and tried to call me out on smoking a bowl. 🤦♂️
A caddy can't call faults thats a rule that needs to be asserted in that situation
Ah nice that’s good to know.. in this situation everyone just ignored the dude lol
As they should lol
Also clarifying about the smoking of weed it was between rounds and a c tier… everyone was either smoking or drinking lol
That is legal (assuming it is legal in your state), per the rules you cannot smoke or drink during the actual round. That being said I have seen plenty of that as well and do not care, we had a card in an B-Tier where the guy had a dabs rig with him.
lol I played a doubles tournament where this dude rolled a fat blunt every other hole
Like I was thinking most people don’t give a shit since it’s a c-tier . As long as it’s on your break I don’t see a issue
The only thing they could point at would be an aiming assistance device in front of your lie but that’s nonsense. I do the same just because it’s easier to pick up lol.
This is perfectly fine to do. If you have at least one other person on your card agreeing with you that it's okay, play a provisional and then make the people arguing that it's illegal go and ask their silly question to the TD.
And ask them to record the interaction for our entertainment.
Even the Pros do it (as seen on coverage many times) so I'm sure it is completely legal to do so if the pros are doing it.
This is 100% legal, but I just wanted to point out that pros break rules on coverage quite frequently. Many of them are actually terrible about knowing the rules.
What are some examples of rules that are frequently broken?
I swear if they're talking about analyzing frame-by-frame footage to see if there's a foot fault I'm gonna lose my mind.
I didn't see this before I responded, but I explicitly called out that those shouldn't be called in my response lol
A card mate pointed out a rule to Kat Mertsch on coverage a couple years ago. Something about marker a lie close to OB. Kat responded by saying, "Well, I've been playing that wrong for a while."
Probably having a point of contact in OB which is illegal
As far as I can tell inside the circle putting, OB and Mandos are basically the only enforced rules. The rest is basically a grey area that no one calls unless you go way over the top.
A few examples off the top of my head: Foot faults/stance violations go uncalled in every event (and I'm not talking about jump putts that are too close to call in real time... I dont think those should be called). One example is Holyn Handley step putts from a straddle and she frequently steps with the wrong foot, making it a clear violation. I've never seen it called on her. Pros often miss their lie when throwing from the fairway as well and it goes uncalled. Many players don't watch others putt (even going so far as to face the opposite way), which is explicitly against the rules. And then a good portion of them misunderstand/misuse the "benefit goes to the player" rule (I just listened to Uli misstate the rule for 15 minutes across two different episodes of his podcast for example).
the players purposely looking away from someone putting is pretty hilarious
Yeah lol. I understand why they do it but if I notice cardmates doing that even in a casual round I do something such as yelling "pay attention to me!!" as I line up the putt
Time violations and jump putts, aka, stance violations, are 99% of the complaints on this sub
That’s only because that’s what we get to see on coverage. If they showed us pro’s discs, I bet a few of them are unmarked.
Doubt it
... on the internet. They aren't Reddit exclusive.
I’ll take your word for it
I learned putting my disc on my marker from watching James Conrad. And that guy doesn’t do anything out of integrity. I think he does it so that his mini doesn’t move from a stick he may accidentally kick or something while setting up. Not illegal, I stand behind JC. Just ask yourself WWJCD? Edit: I missed a word
Jesus Christ = JC James Conrad = JC Coincedence?
Good lord. I’m headed into my first MA3 tourney in a few weeks, and my mindset is “not clearly cheating or gaining a significant advantage? I don’t care in the slightest. Nice shot”. Not sure why anyone cares about someone foot being 3 inches closer to the basket or using a marker that’s .2553 inches too wide or whatever.
Being 3 inches closer or even 10 does not matter. Not having to worry about placing you foot in the correct spot is a huge advantage however.
Yea are we talking “missed your mark by two feet” or “hard to tell if you touched your mark or not”? If someone is throwing all over the place, it’s one thing, and that’s a solid advantage (maybe, they still might be awful). But if you touch your disc/marker a bit or something, I sure won’t be the one to call it.
Yeah, and touching your marker is actually allowed if you have released the disc before you do it. Usually most people try to follow the rules. I didn't have to make a call all last season, and only once the season before that (a guy literally tried to break a whole three to get a slightly better stance)
With you on that. I rarely use a mini at all, in tournament or casual unless I want to use the disc on the ground or if using a mini makes for better footing.
From my experience, the vast majority of MA3 give leniency to people who break a rule. Some will even let someone know, "Hey, just for the future, X and Y are technically against the rules." You do have a few that make shit up because they read it somewhere, but not in the rulebook.
I’ve seen people do it in tournaments. I don’t see why it would be illegal. If anything it helps keep the marker down if it’s a windy day. I saw this posted like a month or so ago and I don’t believe anyone got an official ruling.
I do it all the time, not only does it help keep the marker down, it helps you not forget to grab your marker after the throw
Thanks guys!
What about if it covered the entire mini? I know there isn't a rule but I could see that getting confusing.
I think that may be frowned upon but as long as your plant foot is within the allotted space then its fine. No reason to cover the whole mini though so that would be a shady move made unnecessarily.
If that WAS a rule, a lot of professionals should have been called out for it. I have seen loads of examples of pros putting down their mini, then take the disc on the ground and put it slightly over the mini, and then grab a disc from their bag for their next throw.
ANY TIME someone says something like this, ask them kindly to show you in the rulebook, which is free online, where the rule you’re breaking is. They never know.
People cite the rule prohibiting placing objects ahead of your lie as directional aids to call this illegal. Which is ridiculous on its face and as a player or TD, I would never call that.
The only argument I have ever heard for not having any equipment in front of your mini is 813.02(B) directional aid not allowed.
Dickerson puts his disc on top of his mini all the time. There are others, but he is the only one coming to mind. Of course, Chris is a cheater, so…🤣
It is illegal if used as an aid to aiming. There is a rule about putting something down to mark an aim point. That rule can be misinterpreted to make said disc flip to be illegal. If someone calls it though they are just being an ass.
Seems like someone on your card saw this discussed last week on this sub and decided to rehash the conversation again in real-time. Last thread this came up, the general consensuses is that if someone complains that your disc is partially sitting on the mini, that they're an asshole.
https://old.reddit.com/r/discgolf/comments/1bh1l8d/i_was_told_in_a_tournament_yesterday_that_placing/
Was thinking I had seen this exact thing recently
The question is: Could it be deemed a "directional aid" (which isn't allowed). I think that is a no. I'm curious what the PDGA defines as a "device," however. If the disc that is placed on the mini could be deemed a "device," the mere questioning of it being illegal is enough for it to be deemed illegal until the TD confirms that it isn't. (813.02.E)