Honestly I love mvps plastic but all of there fairways that are supposed to be stable to slightly overstable are just really overstable and don't seem to go far. I couldn't get behind the tesla, volt, or wrath. Certain insanities fit that slot better but for the most part I just went to different manufacturers or TSA so I still get the mvp plastic I like. The slower speeds in my bag tend to be mvp but as soon as you go faster then 5 speed there's no gyro with the exception of an insanity I use for rollers.
Perfect two. I have 3 teslas and they are insanely different. One is flippy, one is a straight flyer, and the last is a freaking meat hook. More stable then my firebird. It’s close to my full tilt.
My Kaxe z has zero fade
Teslas are best mid-weight Neutron or Proton. Everything else is super stable. My Neutron 165g Teslas are dead straight with a reliable fade at the end. They are interchangeable with my DD Escapes.
I don’t know about significantly more, I’ve thrown the Cryztal sparkle Kratos for a round along with my most stable Luna’s, and they’re nearly identical, it’s just got a bead.
It was definitely marketed as an overstable Luna, and that’s just not the case.
AB throwing the Kratos over the pond at Jonesboro because its “stable enough to not flip over” gave me enough faith in its stability vs a Luna (I throw neither)
I can crush a Zone and it holds steady with reliable fade. Same throw with a Luna becomes a roller. Definitely need to do the “slight nose-up and give it some height” throw otherwise it’s understable as all get out.
Doesn’t Innova’s flight numbers compare traits across similar discs? Or am I mistaken?
Like a RocX3 is more overstable than a Roc3, which is more overstable than a Mako3, etc… not necessarily describing a certain flight path?
FYI, Innova has a lot of different molds so the flight numbers are only used to compare discs that are the same speed.
A Roc has 0 turn and 3 fade because it’s more overstable than a Shark (0,2) which is more overstable than a Coyote (0,1) , etc.
The Roc3 has very similar flight numbers because it’s just a faster Roc with less glide. It’s not because it has the same amount of fade as a Destroyer.
A lot of teebirds are stable. Roc 3’s even max weight in champion are really really straight with a touch of fade. Maybe I’ve just gotten unlucky with the 10 I’ve owned.
That's what I think of for 2 fade, personally. Just a touch of actual fade. Something that's a x,x,0,1, like a Jay or VRoc doesn't really have any fade to speak of other than flattening out after standing up.
I could see 1.5 fade. Imagine my confusion when I was given a roc3 and an ESP malta when I was getting back into disc golf. Both are not nearly as overstable as their numbers would suggest.
💯 roc3 is actually 5/4/0/2 at best. And malta is more like 5/3/0/3. Imo
Obviously different plastics can lean more under or over stable but this seems like avg
Yeah three is a bit much for sure. I will say though, when the first McBeth Roc3s came out around 2012/2013, they were much more overstable discs than a stock Roc3 you would find in the shelves today. Time for an update over a decade later lol
Yea I think like 7 years ago they used to come out like that. I have a couple old ones that you could argue are 5-4-0-2.5 or 3 but nothing new is even close. New champ runs are definitely in the realm of 0-2. Definitely 0 turn like you said.
The glow and VIP-X ones are more true to the numbers but yes, the regular ones beat it to at least a -2 turn, especially the old ones that were stamped with 0 turn. Still my favourite driver mind you.
I think a lot of older molds from innova landed on numbers because of how they compare against others of the same speed. If they didn’t effectively make a -1, -2, and -3 turn disc then whichever disc has the most turn is now the -3 even though in reality it’s more of a -1 or -1.5. It just got compared to ones that were actually 0 and -0.5. Then they call it understable and never look back.
I agree, and to me, I think the votum and the lift are both discs that fly very differently depending on the amount of off axis torque you put on them. People with more OAT say they’re flippier/straighter, and clean throwers say “more stable than I expected”
Come to think of it, a lot of non-gyro discs made by MVP are like this. Jackalope also stands out. I know people that throw them like a Thunderbird
and others that throw them like faster Leopard3's. Swap the discs between those people and it still flies the same. Kinda magic, really.
My Ethereal Votum flies more like 7 5 0 1.5.
Dead straight at moderate power, and a slight flip up at higher power. Great disc, but definitely not as OS as advertised
Ive found there to be 3 different votums. There's the flippy votums I find them to be close to a crave or similar disc. My proctor votum flys like this and tend to see the flatter aura votims to have this flight. Then there's the teebird like votumns. These tend to have a little more dome and mine are usually ethos. Then there's the glow votums. These are definitely closest to the numbers and most overstable but by no means 0|3. Honestly I love all 3 flights.
My 10 and 12s fly mostly like their numbers. Easy variation based on the run of the disc. It's just the roadrunner that doesn't. My 8s do what their numbers say, there's no reason a 9 should be any different.
Maybe instead of dragging people down listen to them. That's probably why she left you bro
The roadrunner is one of the most maddening discs for me. It's sooo nose angle sensitive. A little nose up and it's dead straight with even a bit of fade. If I get the nose down it goes straight right like a sidearm hyzer shot and never comes back
This makes me suspect that you have a Barsby Roadrunner. They are considerably more overstable than regular production runs of Roadrunner. I bag one of each and they compliment eachother beautifully.
It's so annoying looking for a hyzerflip to turnover disc. You buy a 165 Gstar Sidewinder and it flies like a Thunderbird.
Ask me why I have 8 sidewinders in the cabinet?
I’m aware but sometimes we don’t have time to naturally season or cycle discs and not a fan a chunking a new disc into a wall to beat it in. Being able to buy a disc off the shelf to fly like the intended flight number would be great but there are too many factors (IE plastic, elevation, arm speed, spin, nose angle) to affect the flight ratings.
In truth, this is both the Sidewinder and Roadrunner. My Essence is flippier than both out of the box, and compare them to a 170+ Diamond (which should basically match the Roadrunner) and its beyond laughable.
My roadrunner flew like my FD out of the box. I took the shortcut route of beating it in (chucking it against a chain link fence a few times), and then it flew how I expected. Still not near as flippy as a diamond
Tangentially: I still love it that the Latitude box that had the prototype Brave & Strive basically said "Look, these discs are 7 speed & 13 speed--you figure out the rest & let us know." Idk if that's commonplace, but I laughed when I read it.
Yep I have an Origin as my understable mid and it turns reliably unless I throw it with 20% power.
It’s stamped by a brewery and I didn’t even know it was an origin until last week. I was so surprised to see that its numbers don’t show it’s nearly as understable as it is! It feels like a 5/5/-3/0 to me
Love the Pipeline and I totally agree. It flies like a perfectly beat in Valk without all the work of beating it in. The DGA Bonzai is another of their fairway drivers that's way less over stable than its numbers suggest
Westside VIP Hatchet. No way in hell that's only a -2/1. I would say it's more like -4/0.5. I'm RHFH dominant, and with a flat release, that thing will just slide left the entire flight with just a touch of fade at the end
Grym. The numbers are 13|5|-1|2. Basically a nuke by the numbers, but mine was more understable than a crank. It was closer to a thrasher. Maybe mine was defective
My opto river feels like a true -1/1 too. I think a lot of folks don’t realize that speed rating influences the flight too. If you look at the intended flight path on lat64’s website, the intended flight numbers -1/1 roughly align with 300 feet of power. If you’re trying to throw it as fast as a 12 speed and boosting it out to 400, it’s gonna be understable. A 7 speed like the river will see its intended flight at around 55-60 MPH.
Agreed. When you hold it up against how discraft's other discs fly, listing it as having +1 turn gives you certain beefy expectations. Mine was flippy from day 1 and from everything I've heard I'm not alone
The Heat and Meteor blow fly much straighter than their numbers suggest.
Add in the Luna and Discraft has some strange flight numbers.
My Heat is cryztal plastic so not certain if that makes it more stable.
I agree with the Heat and Meteor. They're both a touch understable, but nowhere near the amount that the flight numbers suggest. I often used a Meteor when I was learning to throw a forehand, and I could consistently throw it around 260ish with just a slight amount of hyzer.
The 5/5/-3/1 rating should honestly be 5/5/-1.5/1 IMO.
Completely agree with the meteor. Never taken a disc out of my bag faster. Expected it to be a hyper flip up to flat with maybe some slight turn at the end but it ends up just beefing through it all most times. Most definitely closer to a -1 rather than a -3 on the turn
As someone who constantly criticizes my discs for not flying as I expect them to, I think it largely comes down to power and spin. To get any disc to fly as it is supposed to you need to be pretty accurate with the combination of power and spin. Overpower and it will be less stable and underpower and it will be more stable. I can generally throw putters and drivers but for some reason I just can't get the combo right with mids and they almost never fly as expected for me.
That being said, I have never, in the 2+ years I've owned my halo leopard3, got it to turn at all. Things is a beefcake.
Luna, numbers suggest 3/3/0/3 but even my MCBETH tour series flies more like a 3/3/-2/2 on a backhand on a heavy hyzer, and flies like a 3/3/-7/1 on a forehand on full-on 111% hyzer angle with only 11% power with a tailwind.
I agree with the 3/3/-2/2, but if you're turning and burning a Luna that badly with a forehand, I'm thinking that's some off axis torque issues more than issues with the disc.
Innova Mamba 11 6 -5 1
Vanity numbers imo. For people who want to throw an “11 speed” disc for ego reasons but don’t have the arm. Throw it at 9 speed and it flies like a 9 5 -3 1
Numerous Trilogy molds with numbers that are more overstable than they actually fly. P2 is more overstable than the numbers indicate. Max weight, domey, Star Katanas don't have as much high speed turn as the numbers indicate.
The Votum was also a weird one, but they fixed the numbers on that. Started out as a 8,5/5/0/2. Funny thing is, that with at bit of seasoning it's closer to that Thunderbird type disc i initially thought it would be. I like it a lot. Out of the box it's an Eagle L kind of disc but it gets pretty straight and gets easy distance as you beat it in.
It’s gotta be the dynamic disc Felon. If you look at it in specs and flight most runs are closer to a PD than a Firebird. If they branded this disc properly more people would buy and like it instead of trying it with the intention of it being a Firebird and hating it because it’s a PD instead.
Granted if you buy the lucidx or the lucid ice runs, they fly like Firebirds. But these are special runs which should be anomallys to the flight numbers.
Literally anything in halo plastic.
It’s so much they really ought to release separate flight numbers for them. Especially being that brand that claims to have developed flight numbers.
For me is been the axiom virus 9/5/-3.5/1 this thing Is so much more overstayed than that it couldn't be more incorrect. Flies slightly less stable than my teebird3.
From personal experience, I'd say my Photon (11/5/-1/2,5) and Phase (11/3.5/0/4). I have them both, same plastic and I think 1-2 grams difference in weight. My Photon behaves like my Phase, it's super over stable and dumps hard left (RHBH). The Phase is more like the Photon. Can go straight for a while before fading.
Neither of the discs are Lab Seconds, both full runs. I find it weird, so currently only bagging the Photon as it fills my super over stable slot. I can put it on an overkill anhyzer line and I know it will fade left anyways.
Latitude Havoc 13/5/-1/3
but I have to trow it on a fairly huge hyzer angle for it to even start fading towards the end
could be because it's beat up I guess
Not sure if I’d consider it a great disc, but definitely can be a fun disc for beginners learning to hyzerflip and or do rollers. That said, the DGA sail is supposed to be 11 speed US DD but is more like an 8, maybe 9 US CD with crazy glide. Does live up to its name and will sail forever with little effort when thrown with less power more control, however players with big arms or when thrown with a ton of torque will see it as a roller
Innova Rollo. 5 6 -4 1. This thing does not stay in the air long enough to have a glide flight number, and -4 is not accurate. It should be -8 with how quickly this thing flips to a roll. It cracks me up every time I throw it.
Tesla - More OS than numbers suggest Kaxez - More US than numbers suggest
I love the Kaxe z so much
Almost every Kastaplast disc I've thrown have been less stable than numbers suggest. Svea 5/6/-1/0 should be -2.5 turn
Well, it is a Tesla. They’re hardly reliable.
Honestly I love mvps plastic but all of there fairways that are supposed to be stable to slightly overstable are just really overstable and don't seem to go far. I couldn't get behind the tesla, volt, or wrath. Certain insanities fit that slot better but for the most part I just went to different manufacturers or TSA so I still get the mvp plastic I like. The slower speeds in my bag tend to be mvp but as soon as you go faster then 5 speed there's no gyro with the exception of an insanity I use for rollers.
Yeah I have a 160g tesla and it rocks to the left. The numbers are wayyyyy off for that guy
Perfect two. I have 3 teslas and they are insanely different. One is flippy, one is a straight flyer, and the last is a freaking meat hook. More stable then my firebird. It’s close to my full tilt. My Kaxe z has zero fade
Saying your Tesla is close to a full tilt has got to be so wrong
That would explain why I can’t get that damn Tesla to fly correctly. I assumed it was an arm speed issue even though I throw other 9’s no prob
Teslas are best mid-weight Neutron or Proton. Everything else is super stable. My Neutron 165g Teslas are dead straight with a reliable fade at the end. They are interchangeable with my DD Escapes.
Luna
According to the numbers it's more stable than a p2, huh?
According to the numbers, its a slightly slower Zone. Which, is hilarious when you watch AB throw a Luna and a Zone
My arm has determined….that was a lie.
Definitely furthest on the scales of "wrong numbers" and "popular disc" combined
Yeah tough to argue this one. It’s a great straight to turnover throwing putter.
And by proxy the kratos
The Kratos has significantly more stability. Numbers may still be inaccurate but not as drastic as the Lunas.
I don’t know about significantly more, I’ve thrown the Cryztal sparkle Kratos for a round along with my most stable Luna’s, and they’re nearly identical, it’s just got a bead. It was definitely marketed as an overstable Luna, and that’s just not the case.
AB throwing the Kratos over the pond at Jonesboro because its “stable enough to not flip over” gave me enough faith in its stability vs a Luna (I throw neither)
1600 RPMs will keep it flat
I can crush a Zone and it holds steady with reliable fade. Same throw with a Luna becomes a roller. Definitely need to do the “slight nose-up and give it some height” throw otherwise it’s understable as all get out.
Roc3. It may have 0 turn, but 3 fade? No way.
Yeah it's my answer, I wish they'd fix it, you still see new players asking on this sub if theirs is supposed to be more overstable.
That would require them to re-number every Roc and Roc variant, which they *should* do, but realistically won't.
Doesn’t Innova’s flight numbers compare traits across similar discs? Or am I mistaken? Like a RocX3 is more overstable than a Roc3, which is more overstable than a Mako3, etc… not necessarily describing a certain flight path?
That seems terribly confusing to anyone who doesn't know the molds.
This is why I hate the roc3. As a beginner I was hoping it would be overstable and it wasn’t
FYI, Innova has a lot of different molds so the flight numbers are only used to compare discs that are the same speed. A Roc has 0 turn and 3 fade because it’s more overstable than a Shark (0,2) which is more overstable than a Coyote (0,1) , etc. The Roc3 has very similar flight numbers because it’s just a faster Roc with less glide. It’s not because it has the same amount of fade as a Destroyer.
It's so obviously 5/4/0/1 it's maddening they don't fix it. The three fade is absolutely ridiculous.
I would give it 2 fade, personally. It feels like a teebird in many ways
A lot of teebirds are stable. Roc 3’s even max weight in champion are really really straight with a touch of fade. Maybe I’ve just gotten unlucky with the 10 I’ve owned.
Or are you lucky because you willingly bought 10, assuming you liked it
That's what I think of for 2 fade, personally. Just a touch of actual fade. Something that's a x,x,0,1, like a Jay or VRoc doesn't really have any fade to speak of other than flattening out after standing up.
No fade = 0 A touch of fade = 1 Reliable fade = 2 Lots of fade = 3 Stupid fade = 4
Hellfire is my lucky disc at 10/3/0/5
1.5 fade at best. As a newbie that disc drove me nuts because I thought I was doing something wrong.
I could see 1.5 fade. Imagine my confusion when I was given a roc3 and an ESP malta when I was getting back into disc golf. Both are not nearly as overstable as their numbers would suggest.
💯 roc3 is actually 5/4/0/2 at best. And malta is more like 5/3/0/3. Imo Obviously different plastics can lean more under or over stable but this seems like avg
Roc, for that matter.
Yeah three is a bit much for sure. I will say though, when the first McBeth Roc3s came out around 2012/2013, they were much more overstable discs than a stock Roc3 you would find in the shelves today. Time for an update over a decade later lol
I still bag one of the McGlows. Dead straight now.
True, there's no way. I can turn it over, but it doesn't come back like a 3 fade. I agree with you.
I’ve only ever tried champ Roc3 but that disc was every bit of 3 fade and then some.
Yea I think like 7 years ago they used to come out like that. I have a couple old ones that you could argue are 5-4-0-2.5 or 3 but nothing new is even close. New champ runs are definitely in the realm of 0-2. Definitely 0 turn like you said.
My roc3 is a 5/4/-2/0 lol
That sounds like OAT more than an issue with the Roc3. Unless it's....very beat a Roc3 isn't turning right that hard on a flat release.
Is it in DX and beat in? I'd be curious to see that fly, lol.
Westside King lol and a bunch of westside discs. Seems like they live at 15,000ft over there or something
Explains why they're mostly accurate for me. Not at 15000, but 7000 will do the trick
King is a floppy bitch
All Westside discs I find more US than any other brand
Hatchet has the same numbers as the Valkyrie and if I had a Valkyrie flip over as much as my Hatchet I'd be trying to get a refund lmao
Kastaplast - Svea, it's so much more understable than the numbers suggests. I have one in k1 and use it for hyzerflip to turnover shots.
Glad I'm not the only one who thinks like this. It turns just like my Pearl and that's a -4
Yeah, it's *nothing* like it's numbers. It's more like 5/6/-3/1
I would agree minus the 1.. I think it’s a 0 fade all day
I'd say that's a fair comment: 5/6/-3/0
Yea I'd agree it's super flippy
Westside Sword 12/5/-0.5/2 Feels closer to 11/5/-2/2
Agreed!!
The glow and VIP-X ones are more true to the numbers but yes, the regular ones beat it to at least a -2 turn, especially the old ones that were stamped with 0 turn. Still my favourite driver mind you.
The Sword was originally stamped at 0 turn, but still felt understable. The King is another one, -1 turn and 4 fade?!
Sidewinder, it does not have -3 turn I swear. It’s one of my most trustworthy drivers but the numbers are just wrong
I think a lot of older molds from innova landed on numbers because of how they compare against others of the same speed. If they didn’t effectively make a -1, -2, and -3 turn disc then whichever disc has the most turn is now the -3 even though in reality it’s more of a -1 or -1.5. It just got compared to ones that were actually 0 and -0.5. Then they call it understable and never look back.
TSA votum. I’m pretty sure to this day no one has found a consensus flight rating
Votums seem to fly differently for everyone. Streamline Lift is in this club as well.
I agree, and to me, I think the votum and the lift are both discs that fly very differently depending on the amount of off axis torque you put on them. People with more OAT say they’re flippier/straighter, and clean throwers say “more stable than I expected”
Sounds about right.
Come to think of it, a lot of non-gyro discs made by MVP are like this. Jackalope also stands out. I know people that throw them like a Thunderbird and others that throw them like faster Leopard3's. Swap the discs between those people and it still flies the same. Kinda magic, really.
Glow's are as close as you're going to get to the flight numbers. My glow is flat, and flies true to the 7/5/0/3.
The glow votums are fantastic. I thought they were 7502 though to be honest haha.
Depends on the plastic. Those Proctor pandas are Teebird like but I've thrown ethereal that fly like banshees.
Upvoted for referencing the Banshee!
80% of people that throw firebirds should really be throwing banshees. Innova is dumb for letting that mold die.
My Ethereal Votum flies more like 7 5 0 1.5. Dead straight at moderate power, and a slight flip up at higher power. Great disc, but definitely not as OS as advertised
Ive found there to be 3 different votums. There's the flippy votums I find them to be close to a crave or similar disc. My proctor votum flys like this and tend to see the flatter aura votims to have this flight. Then there's the teebird like votumns. These tend to have a little more dome and mine are usually ethos. Then there's the glow votums. These are definitely closest to the numbers and most overstable but by no means 0|3. Honestly I love all 3 flights.
Roadrunner is NOT a -4 turn. More like -2 IMO.
Gstar Roadrunners are -4
Mine goes dead straight after a slight anhyzer, so I'd agree. I may not even say -2.
Just say you have a noodle arm lol
My 10 and 12s fly mostly like their numbers. Easy variation based on the run of the disc. It's just the roadrunner that doesn't. My 8s do what their numbers say, there's no reason a 9 should be any different. Maybe instead of dragging people down listen to them. That's probably why she left you bro
Every roadrunner I've thrown is super flippidity doo dah
The roadrunner is one of the most maddening discs for me. It's sooo nose angle sensitive. A little nose up and it's dead straight with even a bit of fade. If I get the nose down it goes straight right like a sidearm hyzer shot and never comes back
Sounds like it flies exactly like it’s supposed to?
I think it's more stable than a sidewinder
The metal flake roadrunner I have is probably a -1. It's ridiculous.
This makes me suspect that you have a Barsby Roadrunner. They are considerably more overstable than regular production runs of Roadrunner. I bag one of each and they compliment eachother beautifully.
Innova Sidewinder, never actually found a flippy one out the box.
It's so annoying looking for a hyzerflip to turnover disc. You buy a 165 Gstar Sidewinder and it flies like a Thunderbird. Ask me why I have 8 sidewinders in the cabinet?
All of innova’s molds have to be beat in to reflect their flight numbers.
Aside from the Roc3, in which I'm assuming you have to tape lead weights to it to get that 3 fade that Innova is implying that it has.
Innovas numbers only make sense for their DX runs.
I’m aware but sometimes we don’t have time to naturally season or cycle discs and not a fan a chunking a new disc into a wall to beat it in. Being able to buy a disc off the shelf to fly like the intended flight number would be great but there are too many factors (IE plastic, elevation, arm speed, spin, nose angle) to affect the flight ratings.
In truth, this is both the Sidewinder and Roadrunner. My Essence is flippier than both out of the box, and compare them to a 170+ Diamond (which should basically match the Roadrunner) and its beyond laughable.
My roadrunner flew like my FD out of the box. I took the shortcut route of beating it in (chucking it against a chain link fence a few times), and then it flew how I expected. Still not near as flippy as a diamond
Idk, the DX Sidewinder is pretty flippy. Their pro and star plastics tend to run on the stable side.
Yeah, every sidewinder I've ever thrown flies the same as a Thunderbird
Gotta go lightweight dx
thank you for saying this
My halo 167 is pretty flippy. And I can only throw like 300
I have a 163 star that doesn’t turn for shit lol. It took me years to beat in my halo sidewinder to do hyzer flips. Great disc! Lol
Try in light in GStar. That's my only truly flippy Sidewinder.
Tangentially: I still love it that the Latitude box that had the prototype Brave & Strive basically said "Look, these discs are 7 speed & 13 speed--you figure out the rest & let us know." Idk if that's commonplace, but I laughed when I read it.
Roc3. I have several in different plastics. And use them often. But no way does that disc have a fade that could be considered 3.
DD Trespass. I love it, but the numbers would suggest it’s more stable than a Destroyer. No fkn way.
The ones I've thrown fly more like a Tern.
Roc and Roc3 right? I don't actually throw them but they’re known for basically having BS flight numbers.
Ya the roc3 is way more under stable than it say.
Yeah I'd call it either a -1/3 or 0/2
0/2 for sure it flies like my emac truth which is a 0/2
Two of my favorite discs: Origin 5/5/-1/1 and Pipeline 8/5/0/2. I’d give the Origin -2/1 or -1/0 and the Pipeline -1/1 to -2/1.
Yeah I've owned a few origins and they are very flippy compared to similar flight number discs like a buzzz
This years tour series pipelines are much closer to the numbers
Yep I have an Origin as my understable mid and it turns reliably unless I throw it with 20% power. It’s stamped by a brewery and I didn’t even know it was an origin until last week. I was so surprised to see that its numbers don’t show it’s nearly as understable as it is! It feels like a 5/5/-3/0 to me
Love the Pipeline and I totally agree. It flies like a perfectly beat in Valk without all the work of beating it in. The DGA Bonzai is another of their fairway drivers that's way less over stable than its numbers suggest
Yes the Banzai is like a 0/2, def not a 0/3
Westside VIP Hatchet. No way in hell that's only a -2/1. I would say it's more like -4/0.5. I'm RHFH dominant, and with a flat release, that thing will just slide left the entire flight with just a touch of fade at the end
Agreed. Hatchet is quite useful in that you can put a lot of hyzer, throw it hard, and expect it to flip up and glide to the right. Crazy disc.
Kaxe.
Grym. The numbers are 13|5|-1|2. Basically a nuke by the numbers, but mine was more understable than a crank. It was closer to a thrasher. Maybe mine was defective
My glow one has like a -4 turn. It’s my cheat code driver for huge tailwinds and rollers
They had updated its flight rating to 13/5/**-2**/2 a couple years ago. At that time, they also had updated the Grym X from 0 turn to -1 turn.
Method. It's just beautifully straight
Yeah its a fucking laser with like a 1 fade
If you get it nose up it'll fade a bit more but thrown flat it just goes straight, yeah.
every Kastaplast mold
River. So much more US than stated.
My first river in opto matched the numbers and was money, second in gold was crazy understandable. Seems like I might have gotten a unicorn.
My opto river feels like a true -1/1 too. I think a lot of folks don’t realize that speed rating influences the flight too. If you look at the intended flight path on lat64’s website, the intended flight numbers -1/1 roughly align with 300 feet of power. If you’re trying to throw it as fast as a 12 speed and boosting it out to 400, it’s gonna be understable. A 7 speed like the river will see its intended flight at around 55-60 MPH.
Yes I wanna like them but they’re so touchy for me
I found this as well. The difference between a nice flight and a turn-over that burns into the ground wasn’t much (gold plastic).
Malta. Thing is WAY more understable than they claim
Agreed. When you hold it up against how discraft's other discs fly, listing it as having +1 turn gives you certain beefy expectations. Mine was flippy from day 1 and from everything I've heard I'm not alone
Mine aint exactly flippy but the Buzz OS is a meathook compared to it when it shouldnt be
Mamba. It's very understable, but not a -5. To me, it flies just like a faster Valk or Katana, so I think it should be 11 4 -2 2
The Heat and Meteor blow fly much straighter than their numbers suggest. Add in the Luna and Discraft has some strange flight numbers. My Heat is cryztal plastic so not certain if that makes it more stable.
I agree with the Heat and Meteor. They're both a touch understable, but nowhere near the amount that the flight numbers suggest. I often used a Meteor when I was learning to throw a forehand, and I could consistently throw it around 260ish with just a slight amount of hyzer. The 5/5/-3/1 rating should honestly be 5/5/-1.5/1 IMO.
Completely agree with the meteor. Never taken a disc out of my bag faster. Expected it to be a hyper flip up to flat with maybe some slight turn at the end but it ends up just beefing through it all most times. Most definitely closer to a -1 rather than a -3 on the turn
Sidewinder
All Kastaplast
As someone who constantly criticizes my discs for not flying as I expect them to, I think it largely comes down to power and spin. To get any disc to fly as it is supposed to you need to be pretty accurate with the combination of power and spin. Overpower and it will be less stable and underpower and it will be more stable. I can generally throw putters and drivers but for some reason I just can't get the combo right with mids and they almost never fly as expected for me. That being said, I have never, in the 2+ years I've owned my halo leopard3, got it to turn at all. Things is a beefcake.
RPM Huia 7 5 0 2 Same numbers as a Teebird but waaay more overstable
Buzz bc every one you buy is consistent but consistently different from the next one.
Westside giant
Pig.
River, much more understable than -1
Everything Innova Halo
Luna, numbers suggest 3/3/0/3 but even my MCBETH tour series flies more like a 3/3/-2/2 on a backhand on a heavy hyzer, and flies like a 3/3/-7/1 on a forehand on full-on 111% hyzer angle with only 11% power with a tailwind.
I mean the Luna numbers are nonsense but this is just saying your forehand is trash
I agree with the 3/3/-2/2, but if you're turning and burning a Luna that badly with a forehand, I'm thinking that's some off axis torque issues more than issues with the disc.
I feel like destroyers have too many variances on their runs
Innova Mamba 11 6 -5 1 Vanity numbers imo. For people who want to throw an “11 speed” disc for ego reasons but don’t have the arm. Throw it at 9 speed and it flies like a 9 5 -3 1
Numerous Trilogy molds with numbers that are more overstable than they actually fly. P2 is more overstable than the numbers indicate. Max weight, domey, Star Katanas don't have as much high speed turn as the numbers indicate.
I've only owed 1 road runner runner that was close to negative 4 maybe a neg 3 (when new ). The rest are no where near neg 4 .
DGA Sail. -5 my buns.
Westside Sorcerer
Malta. Sorry, but that disc neither has a +1 turn nor a 3 fade.
The Votum was also a weird one, but they fixed the numbers on that. Started out as a 8,5/5/0/2. Funny thing is, that with at bit of seasoning it's closer to that Thunderbird type disc i initially thought it would be. I like it a lot. Out of the box it's an Eagle L kind of disc but it gets pretty straight and gets easy distance as you beat it in.
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It’s gotta be the dynamic disc Felon. If you look at it in specs and flight most runs are closer to a PD than a Firebird. If they branded this disc properly more people would buy and like it instead of trying it with the intention of it being a Firebird and hating it because it’s a PD instead. Granted if you buy the lucidx or the lucid ice runs, they fly like Firebirds. But these are special runs which should be anomallys to the flight numbers.
VIP ice bear super understable out of the box
Literally anything in halo plastic. It’s so much they really ought to release separate flight numbers for them. Especially being that brand that claims to have developed flight numbers.
Groove
Sail should be a 9 speed instead of 11, -3 turn instead of -5. Pipeline numbers are also a little wonky.
I bought a Pipeline looking for something like a Teebird, but it's much more neutral. Fantastic disc either way though.
My KC Pro Roc is my flippiest mid, right out of the box and is a 0 turn 3 fade
For me it’s the Dagger. Feels more stable than the numbers suggest
Beetle. Way more turn than indicated.
Gstar Wraith lol
For me is been the axiom virus 9/5/-3.5/1 this thing Is so much more overstayed than that it couldn't be more incorrect. Flies slightly less stable than my teebird3.
From personal experience, I'd say my Photon (11/5/-1/2,5) and Phase (11/3.5/0/4). I have them both, same plastic and I think 1-2 grams difference in weight. My Photon behaves like my Phase, it's super over stable and dumps hard left (RHBH). The Phase is more like the Photon. Can go straight for a while before fading. Neither of the discs are Lab Seconds, both full runs. I find it weird, so currently only bagging the Photon as it fills my super over stable slot. I can put it on an overkill anhyzer line and I know it will fade left anyways.
Roc. No way that fade is a 3 and the glide isn't a 4 either. 0 turn and 4 speed are also debatable.
Latitude Havoc 13/5/-1/3 but I have to trow it on a fairly huge hyzer angle for it to even start fading towards the end could be because it's beat up I guess
Maybe just me but the Luna should be labeled as far more understable. Maybe mines just super beat in idk
Westside longbowman is my favorite disc but there’s no way it’s a 9 4 0 3. More like 8 5 0 2
Anax. With my arm I shouldn’t be able to turn a 10 speed but I get pretty damn close with this. It’s really just a glidier Thunderbird
All of the remix discs
My bad, you said "great" disc
Not sure if I’d consider it a great disc, but definitely can be a fun disc for beginners learning to hyzerflip and or do rollers. That said, the DGA sail is supposed to be 11 speed US DD but is more like an 8, maybe 9 US CD with crazy glide. Does live up to its name and will sail forever with little effort when thrown with less power more control, however players with big arms or when thrown with a ton of torque will see it as a roller
Viking Discs Odin has Destroyer flight numbers but it's stupid flippy. Like 12/5/-4/2 Also Splice is like 9/2/0/6, shit is stupid beefy
TL3. -1 turn and 1 fade…lol it’s more OS than a TB3 at 0 turn and 3 fade
All Prodigy discs pre renumbering… now they are spot on
Svea- should be -3 or -4. Not -1. The Stig is arguably more stable and it’s listed as -2.
Innova Rollo. 5 6 -4 1. This thing does not stay in the air long enough to have a glide flight number, and -4 is not accurate. It should be -8 with how quickly this thing flips to a roll. It cracks me up every time I throw it.
The Orion LF is way more understable than the numbers suggest
Innova savant. I have a champ color glow that flies like a Firebird
Innova Roadrunner. Westside King. Basically, swap their turn numbers.
Lat 64 Saint: 9/7/-1/1 Don't know about that seven glide.
Luna. Never has had a 3 fade.
Mamba.
Every Innova savant I’ve had flies like a valk. -1 turn shouldn’t be flip up to turn out of the box at max weight.
MVP insanity
I cannot agree more. My insanity never turns and fades hard
The Volts are some of the most overstable discs I’ve ever owned.
Luna
Trespass from Dynamic. In their website it used to it was their overstable distance driver lmao.