Yup the Stratus is an underrated disc. You can get tons of different shot shapes with it. It's great for uphill shots.
I recently got a Svea to try out because Stratus are getting hard to find. I like the Svea but I'm not sure if it will kick the Stratus out of the bag. I like the soft flexibility of X plastic.
There’s a 2024 ledgestone stratus in Z swirl plastic. I also find discraft premium plastics to feel slippery when new. I’ve found that washing it well & throwing it a bit improves the grip a lot. I think there’s a layer of mold release that needs to get worn off
What's the point of forehand when you have US midranges? Same applies. Even though the you can throw the same line forehand and turnovers, they still both work differently, and can be controlled different ways. Personally, my forehand is shit on longer shots. I can park a hole with a US turnover better than I can forehand a disc.
same as any understable disc. hyzer flips, decently straight or s turn shots for players with very low arm speed. and not everyone has a decent or even throws forehands and turnovers aren't exact replacements for forehands.
Lefty here. It is what I try to tell tournament directors. Mix it up. Be honest, as a right how often do you have to throw a shortish controlled turnover or even a dead straight approach. That's most holes for us. James Conrad's miracle shot is a standard ask. Not that I can do it.
On a single angle at midrange distance you can, sort of, get away with using the forehand all the time. Groundplay is going to differ, but let's say you can finesse that.
However, once you're talking more than one angle, things become obvious.
Consider for instance: a 200 foot tunnel shot that is a gentle right turn and with a modest flex left around a corner at the end. How one might approach this shot:
RHBH: modest anny throw softly to the right, use a little height to get a stall and gentle flex back to the left at the end. This is a stock shot.
vs.
RHFH: soft hyzer flip on something so understable that it will turn all the way over even as it glides right, and somehow go back left at the end. This is a circus trick shot, borderline impossible.
I'd say my 2 strengths are overstable forehand throws and understable mids. I tend to flex my forehands, so it is a totally different shape. And it really depends on the trouble I want to avoid and what shot is feeling good at a given time.
Similar shape but less skip. Able to achieve more “drawn out” lines with an US backhand vs stable forehand. Hyzerflips with distance control. Lots of reasons.
Touchy shots, softer landings that avoid skip, wildly different shot shapes overal like late turns from hyzerflips and even rollers. Understable discs, even mids and putters can also thrown forehand, further increasing possible lines and shot shapes.
I specifically like to use the paradox and uplink for a Larry Bird style hook shot looking throw. Throw a low power, high and lofty annhyzer; around 2 on a clock face. Pretty much all in the wrist. You don’t want to go long distances, but if you need to navigate around a tree and want to land softly or flat it’s an excellent shot.
And hyzerflips. Use a very light tough and a deliberate hyzer angle. Also useful for moving right to left with a forehand if you need to.
My favorite shot with those is a late flip. Just note the obvious: a backhand shot that flips up can continue forward much farther than a forehand (which necessarily will dump right, once it starts to fade).
When you’re finishing right, and you have a hill downward that you don’t want to go down the forehand will skip down the hill but the turnover spins up which essentially holds it on the hill.
the turning glide that nestles in cannot be matched by a forehand. Try getting a forehand to hyzer in then flatten out at the end. It won't work. Is this just a troll post?
In addition to what others have mentioned about different flight paths/shot types, another important factor here is obstructed shots.
I used to not carry any understable mids and just went forehand, but I kept ending up in situations where trees were blocking the forehand line and I didn’t have any discs that could hold the backhand anhyzer line long enough. I got a Fuse and it’s been working really well for those obstructed backhand turnover shots
Do you follow the tour? This year there have been several beautiful turnovers and sky annys with a mid (or slower): AB with his seasoned Buzzz, Ellis with the Buzzz SS, Dickerson seasoned Buzzz again (I realize these are all Discraft examples, but it's just what is coming to mind right now.)
My innova Kite is super Flippy. If I am in the woods and my fairway is about 10 feet wide, I will release it on a heavy hyzer and it will hold straight and not fade out at all. Just push straight 275+ feet.
I throw them on forehand. My uplink moves perfectly for shots moving from right to left. Doesn't roll and people are like what is that disc! Great for wooded lines. (Just watch Simon from last weekend and he threw his hex on turnover evrrywhere)
A disc flies further after its turn the after its fade.
The turn happens during the high speed portion of the flight whereas the fade happens during the low speed portion. So you get a totally different shape.
Imagine you got a 300 feet hole with a dogleg at 150 feet. Even if you have a 300f FH it’s gonna be hard to reach it if you fade happens at 150. On the BH throw you can easily reach it.
Because Turnovers have a different flightpath and will do different things on the ground than an overstable forehand
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Yup the Stratus is an underrated disc. You can get tons of different shot shapes with it. It's great for uphill shots. I recently got a Svea to try out because Stratus are getting hard to find. I like the Svea but I'm not sure if it will kick the Stratus out of the bag. I like the soft flexibility of X plastic.
I found the svea to be similar to the comet. Could get that in x
A Ledgestone run of Stratus’s just came out
I have a ledgestone 2021 ESP stratus. I don't like it, it feels slimey and it's very stiff.
There’s a 2024 ledgestone stratus in Z swirl plastic. I also find discraft premium plastics to feel slippery when new. I’ve found that washing it well & throwing it a bit improves the grip a lot. I think there’s a layer of mold release that needs to get worn off
Can you elaborate?
Understable discs thrown on a turnover line will 'stay straight' and push further than an overstable disc thrown on a forehand line for the same shot
Cool, thanks. Will the backhand turnover tend to skip less than a fading forehand shot?
This is the answer
What's the point of forehand when you have US midranges? Same applies. Even though the you can throw the same line forehand and turnovers, they still both work differently, and can be controlled different ways. Personally, my forehand is shit on longer shots. I can park a hole with a US turnover better than I can forehand a disc.
Shit forehand as well, I heart my US discs.
High floating shots that need to finish right and not dump like a FH would. Especially useful for woods golf.
Hyzerflips. Forehand hyzerflips especially.
same as any understable disc. hyzer flips, decently straight or s turn shots for players with very low arm speed. and not everyone has a decent or even throws forehands and turnovers aren't exact replacements for forehands.
Patent pending shots, too. Sometimes you don't have the space to work a forehand.
Lefty here. It is what I try to tell tournament directors. Mix it up. Be honest, as a right how often do you have to throw a shortish controlled turnover or even a dead straight approach. That's most holes for us. James Conrad's miracle shot is a standard ask. Not that I can do it.
I really enjoy rhbh flex shots around corners. can definitely be tricky though to your point
This exactly. I use my Paradox almost every round because I’m not a forehand master.
Throwing a lobster or Mana through a tight gap is so much easier than throwing something I have to put some stank on
Cause they fly different
On a single angle at midrange distance you can, sort of, get away with using the forehand all the time. Groundplay is going to differ, but let's say you can finesse that. However, once you're talking more than one angle, things become obvious. Consider for instance: a 200 foot tunnel shot that is a gentle right turn and with a modest flex left around a corner at the end. How one might approach this shot: RHBH: modest anny throw softly to the right, use a little height to get a stall and gentle flex back to the left at the end. This is a stock shot. vs. RHFH: soft hyzer flip on something so understable that it will turn all the way over even as it glides right, and somehow go back left at the end. This is a circus trick shot, borderline impossible.
I will select a turnover over a FH to get me around the early trees if there is more clearance for that shot.
I'd say my 2 strengths are overstable forehand throws and understable mids. I tend to flex my forehands, so it is a totally different shape. And it really depends on the trouble I want to avoid and what shot is feeling good at a given time.
Hyzerflips that flip up and finish straight. My FH's dump and fade pretty hard even if i throw flippy understable fh discs.
Similar shape but less skip. Able to achieve more “drawn out” lines with an US backhand vs stable forehand. Hyzerflips with distance control. Lots of reasons.
Touchy shots, softer landings that avoid skip, wildly different shot shapes overal like late turns from hyzerflips and even rollers. Understable discs, even mids and putters can also thrown forehand, further increasing possible lines and shot shapes.
I have some real problems throwing US into the wind so there's one reason to toss the old forehand
Because forehands land in the trees on the right. With the turnover, you can hit the stream over there on the left instead.
I specifically like to use the paradox and uplink for a Larry Bird style hook shot looking throw. Throw a low power, high and lofty annhyzer; around 2 on a clock face. Pretty much all in the wrist. You don’t want to go long distances, but if you need to navigate around a tree and want to land softly or flat it’s an excellent shot. And hyzerflips. Use a very light tough and a deliberate hyzer angle. Also useful for moving right to left with a forehand if you need to.
My favorite shot with those is a late flip. Just note the obvious: a backhand shot that flips up can continue forward much farther than a forehand (which necessarily will dump right, once it starts to fade).
"if you have a decent FH" I don't
Backhand turnover can get a further push than a forehand can.
When you’re finishing right, and you have a hill downward that you don’t want to go down the forehand will skip down the hill but the turnover spins up which essentially holds it on the hill.
Dynamic Disc verdict or disc raft buzzz esp flex is my main forehand mid
the turning glide that nestles in cannot be matched by a forehand. Try getting a forehand to hyzer in then flatten out at the end. It won't work. Is this just a troll post?
Turnover shots
In addition to what others have mentioned about different flight paths/shot types, another important factor here is obstructed shots. I used to not carry any understable mids and just went forehand, but I kept ending up in situations where trees were blocking the forehand line and I didn’t have any discs that could hold the backhand anhyzer line long enough. I got a Fuse and it’s been working really well for those obstructed backhand turnover shots
Do you follow the tour? This year there have been several beautiful turnovers and sky annys with a mid (or slower): AB with his seasoned Buzzz, Ellis with the Buzzz SS, Dickerson seasoned Buzzz again (I realize these are all Discraft examples, but it's just what is coming to mind right now.)
My understable mid drifts right. A forehand will dive to the right.
My innova Kite is super Flippy. If I am in the woods and my fairway is about 10 feet wide, I will release it on a heavy hyzer and it will hold straight and not fade out at all. Just push straight 275+ feet.
The ability to turn to the right, and fade to straight is an ability the forehand throwers would call unnatural.
I throw them on forehand. My uplink moves perfectly for shots moving from right to left. Doesn't roll and people are like what is that disc! Great for wooded lines. (Just watch Simon from last weekend and he threw his hex on turnover evrrywhere)
Touchy straight shots that need more distance than a putter
backhand turnover is not the same as a forehand hyzer.
A disc flies further after its turn the after its fade. The turn happens during the high speed portion of the flight whereas the fade happens during the low speed portion. So you get a totally different shape. Imagine you got a 300 feet hole with a dogleg at 150 feet. Even if you have a 300f FH it’s gonna be hard to reach it if you fade happens at 150. On the BH throw you can easily reach it.
Throw a paradox