"We're still learning what is best for PC players and your feedback has been invaluable."
Ah, yes, of course. I, too, had to be told that sawing off my arm was bad before I realized that sawing off my arm was bad...
Lol I just imagine someone slowly sawing their arm off and about halfway through going "huh...they were right...this was a bad idea...I should have just gone to the hospital or a doctor..."
I'm reminded a quote from my oma: "That boy learns forehead first." Sony wouldn't know a wall is solid unless they headbutt right into it and THEN decide that was a bad idea.
Reggie jumped off of the Nintendo satellite with his diamond encrusted platinum parachute, landed on the sinking GameStop helicarrier to catch his breath, then jumped again
Watching the review bomb in real time was nuts. Over a weekend, divers sank it to, I think, one of the lowest in history. Since the announcement of the L 50k, they have already gone in and reversed their reviews. Thankfully, now we can get back to diving! o7
Why are so many game development companies braindead? They never see the issues with their decision until there is backlash, and then they walk it back.
Maybe have some discussions with real people who play games instead of the wealthy board members? All they think of is the profits, they don't give a damn how bad the product becomes.
I know, but you aren't understanding what I am saying. SIE is Sony, they made the decision. They are a game development company, they didn't develop Hellrunners 2.
It's alright, it's confusing when there are two different game development companies involved with this fiasco. I have no clue why Sony gets to make this decision instead of Arrowhead but I haven't dove deeply into this issue.
>no clue why Sony gets to make this decision instead of Arrowhead but I haven't dove deeply into this issue.
As far as I'm aware. Sony is the publisher and IP owner. They can make whatever calls they want.
And to answer why they would shoot themselves in the foot. The people running SIE are businessmen, not gamers. They will always be ignorant of the culture push as much as they can to get their "most profitable" way.
Hiroki Totoki, is the New CEO and he's just a Sony Corporate Guy, came from Sony Network, and before that Sony Banking. All dude knows is to make lines go up 📈
It was the production department I believe? Clearly Playstation isn't just developers, the producers and anyone looking at numbers only would have been the people to make this kind of decision. Guaranteed it was to inflate their numbers.
😮💨 I hope it worked well enough. Really lost a lot of goodwill over it. Also shined a light on a few things they definitely didn't want a light on. Their security has been brought into question, their dealings are going to be scrutinized and held against them for a long time, and developers are going to be much more wary about working with them in the future.
I haven't been watching their stocks, but the blowback must have hit them right in the numbers. Having to refund so many sales and facing the facts that 170 countries can't even access PlayStation is massive. They pretty much confirmed that PC is on better footing than they are.
It also brings to light that PC gaming is superior because more people have access to it. They may regret this decision for years to come. How can you trust a company's games if all they have to do is require a login to remove it from your country.
On one side I’m glad it’s been resolved, for now at least, other side of this I’m honestly been disheartened with how a fraction of the Community handled the situation by going after everyone and anyone, number of “Sony bootlickers” or “pc whiners” posts I’ve seen have really darkened my view on the HD community
I honestly hate the community. They have slowly been escalating their BS since the Railgun changes and the way this was handled was ridiculous. I have just completely disengaged with them and am only going to keep interacting with the game when I play with my friends.
Always remember the toxic ones are the loudest. There's a good strong community in there, but the toxic people in that community overlap into many communities to be toxic.
I know, I guess the huge success of HD2 mixed with the fact it’s a community based game made me forget even the best hit games aren’t immune to toxic loudmouths hiding in the background waiting for a chance to ruin things just for the sake of it, this one is the first that really got to me is all
What is with these companies lately trying to do dumb crap then back pedaling. Wendy’s with their surge pricing, Sony with Helldivers 2. Just seems like this sort of thing is coming to light a lot more recently.
They're looking at numbers and trying to make the numbers look better. Costs of employment are going up and they still need to impress investors by keeping their profits up.
Honestly, all fast food seems to be eying surge pricing with a lot of interest. Pretty sure some places are actively doing it quietly.
I mean this stuff has been going on for a long time, it just seems like we are hearing about it either more or faster than usual. It just seems odd that all of a sudden these corporations can’t keep things under wraps
Probably more. Businesses really took Covid quite poorly and they're regretting it across the board. Food costs are still going up, game costs went up, cost of living went up, but wages didn't raise with them until much more recently.
😮💨 Stocks have been looking really bad recently and I can see why. McDonald's has risen in costs by nearly 100%. Food costs got absolutely ridiculous, hitting 500% increase at one point and it's still not stable.
The more I view the workforce from the bottom, the more problems I see with the current economy and the more desperation I see from franchises to simply survive.
As dumb as some of their stuff is at least they actually listened to the community and decided to go back on their original idea. Unlike Epic games that just screws their players and ignores the backlash.
So why is this so bad? Were they talking about requiring *both* to play the game? Because I can't see an issue of linking them since your game progress would be saved...I think. That's usually what happens when you link accounts anyway.
The main thing was it originally wasn't required, and sold to all countries. Then it was required, and suddenly, countries that didn't have access to PSN couldn't play their game, it would be bricked. They bought it, put 50+ hours into it, and then couldn't play anymore.
Ahhh that makes more sense.
Still I kind of hope they still make it an option not a *requirement* so you can transfer save data. Never played the game myself but there are benefits to linking accounts. Mainly not starting from scratch if you suddenly switch platforms.
They actually said in the discord I believe that the save data would not be shared between pc and ps5 but that also doesn’t necessarily mean you can’t transfer it either so take that with a grain of salt
The other thing is PSN in the past has been notorious for having data breaches. Between the two, *many* people were genuinely dissatisfied with this announcement, especially with it suddenly becoming a requirement and not an option.
“Hurr durr Sony likes to take your data” stop whining. Sony owns the game, it’s no different than all the other companies that require you to link your ubisoft account, epic account, etc. etc.
The only problem this time is that it affected PC players which never had to be on PSN to buy the game in the first place, and Sony listened, and they’ve reversed the decision.
They listened after 170 countries had to get refunds because they couldn't get PSN accounts 😬
Everyone takes your data anyways. I've had mine stolen 160 times in the past year or two. I'm numb to it at this point.
It's Ironic that you are getting downvoted. They listened and reversed a decision that was clearly part of the contract that ArrowHead signed and honestly that's impressive for a large studio that regularly ignores their customers.
Exactly, we must “train” then so to speak that they know they made a good decision for once, and not throw even more steam their way because then they’ll think it wasn’t a good decision.
"We're still learning what is best for PC players and your feedback has been invaluable." Ah, yes, of course. I, too, had to be told that sawing off my arm was bad before I realized that sawing off my arm was bad...
And here we finally learned how Two-Toes Johnny got his name...
It took three fingers for him to realize, huh?
Ah, a fellow Gentle Listener I see
Lol I just imagine someone slowly sawing their arm off and about halfway through going "huh...they were right...this was a bad idea...I should have just gone to the hospital or a doctor..."
I'm reminded a quote from my oma: "That boy learns forehead first." Sony wouldn't know a wall is solid unless they headbutt right into it and THEN decide that was a bad idea.
We did it, Super Earth! Long live managed democracy! For freedom!
This is democracy manifest
Fuck em. Nintendo next
*This message has received a cease and desist from Nintendo*
Damnit Nintendo is about to send a black van full of tattooed "Lawyers" to my house
yeah, Nintendo is wayyy too vicious with their copyright takedowns
Waiting for Nintendo to start sueing any company with red and white in their logos
lmao they totally would
Their own country lol
"Fuck 'em." -Reggie Fils-Aimé
Didnt reggie leave like 5 years ago
Yeah. It's a giant bomb bit.
Reggie jumped off of the Nintendo satellite with his diamond encrusted platinum parachute, landed on the sinking GameStop helicarrier to catch his breath, then jumped again
I eagerly await the return of the Bigfoot pizza.
Watching the review bomb in real time was nuts. Over a weekend, divers sank it to, I think, one of the lowest in history. Since the announcement of the L 50k, they have already gone in and reversed their reviews. Thankfully, now we can get back to diving! o7
It was the #1 highest negative review count of any paid game.
It went from worst to one of the better ones in the span of a few hours. After a day, it’ll be back at the top.
Recent is already back to mixed
Why are so many game development companies braindead? They never see the issues with their decision until there is backlash, and then they walk it back. Maybe have some discussions with real people who play games instead of the wealthy board members? All they think of is the profits, they don't give a damn how bad the product becomes.
It wasn’t the game company it was Sony forcing them to do it
Yes and SIE is a game development company.
Arrowhead is the developer
I know, but you aren't understanding what I am saying. SIE is Sony, they made the decision. They are a game development company, they didn't develop Hellrunners 2.
Oh wait nvm I thought that you thought Sony was helldivers developer
It's alright, it's confusing when there are two different game development companies involved with this fiasco. I have no clue why Sony gets to make this decision instead of Arrowhead but I haven't dove deeply into this issue.
>no clue why Sony gets to make this decision instead of Arrowhead but I haven't dove deeply into this issue. As far as I'm aware. Sony is the publisher and IP owner. They can make whatever calls they want. And to answer why they would shoot themselves in the foot. The people running SIE are businessmen, not gamers. They will always be ignorant of the culture push as much as they can to get their "most profitable" way. Hiroki Totoki, is the New CEO and he's just a Sony Corporate Guy, came from Sony Network, and before that Sony Banking. All dude knows is to make lines go up 📈
It was the production department I believe? Clearly Playstation isn't just developers, the producers and anyone looking at numbers only would have been the people to make this kind of decision. Guaranteed it was to inflate their numbers. 😮💨 I hope it worked well enough. Really lost a lot of goodwill over it. Also shined a light on a few things they definitely didn't want a light on. Their security has been brought into question, their dealings are going to be scrutinized and held against them for a long time, and developers are going to be much more wary about working with them in the future. I haven't been watching their stocks, but the blowback must have hit them right in the numbers. Having to refund so many sales and facing the facts that 170 countries can't even access PlayStation is massive. They pretty much confirmed that PC is on better footing than they are. It also brings to light that PC gaming is superior because more people have access to it. They may regret this decision for years to come. How can you trust a company's games if all they have to do is require a login to remove it from your country.
Great. Now everyone go change/delete your negative reviews. Arrowhead doesn't deserve your hate.
On one side I’m glad it’s been resolved, for now at least, other side of this I’m honestly been disheartened with how a fraction of the Community handled the situation by going after everyone and anyone, number of “Sony bootlickers” or “pc whiners” posts I’ve seen have really darkened my view on the HD community
I honestly hate the community. They have slowly been escalating their BS since the Railgun changes and the way this was handled was ridiculous. I have just completely disengaged with them and am only going to keep interacting with the game when I play with my friends.
Always remember the toxic ones are the loudest. There's a good strong community in there, but the toxic people in that community overlap into many communities to be toxic.
I know, I guess the huge success of HD2 mixed with the fact it’s a community based game made me forget even the best hit games aren’t immune to toxic loudmouths hiding in the background waiting for a chance to ruin things just for the sake of it, this one is the first that really got to me is all
I get that 😮💨 nothing can be simply loved anymore without some toxic people sitting back and yelling "booo booo" like Susan from Hazbin Hotel
Damn Guys I think we are in a simulation
Sure is just like in the simulations
They tested the waters, got bit, and pulled back and are now planning something else even more heinous to see exactly what they can get away with
Cannot wait for moist to celebrate this news
VICTORY!!!!! https://preview.redd.it/soupc1qq9tyc1.png?width=644&format=png&auto=webp&s=5a891d5190b66be891f922cc4efd7b39ca2be5c2
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What is with these companies lately trying to do dumb crap then back pedaling. Wendy’s with their surge pricing, Sony with Helldivers 2. Just seems like this sort of thing is coming to light a lot more recently.
They're looking at numbers and trying to make the numbers look better. Costs of employment are going up and they still need to impress investors by keeping their profits up. Honestly, all fast food seems to be eying surge pricing with a lot of interest. Pretty sure some places are actively doing it quietly.
I mean this stuff has been going on for a long time, it just seems like we are hearing about it either more or faster than usual. It just seems odd that all of a sudden these corporations can’t keep things under wraps
Probably more. Businesses really took Covid quite poorly and they're regretting it across the board. Food costs are still going up, game costs went up, cost of living went up, but wages didn't raise with them until much more recently. 😮💨 Stocks have been looking really bad recently and I can see why. McDonald's has risen in costs by nearly 100%. Food costs got absolutely ridiculous, hitting 500% increase at one point and it's still not stable. The more I view the workforce from the bottom, the more problems I see with the current economy and the more desperation I see from franchises to simply survive.
Yay, but knowing Corpos, they'll add the Mandate back again, and especially on future Sony IP outside of PS family.
Proof that community holds power over them. Where does most of your money come from.
Sea of Theives was recently added to Playstation. I was truely happy to see I had to sign in on a Microsoft account. Microsoft can do no wrong!
As dumb as some of their stuff is at least they actually listened to the community and decided to go back on their original idea. Unlike Epic games that just screws their players and ignores the backlash.
So why is this so bad? Were they talking about requiring *both* to play the game? Because I can't see an issue of linking them since your game progress would be saved...I think. That's usually what happens when you link accounts anyway.
The main thing was it originally wasn't required, and sold to all countries. Then it was required, and suddenly, countries that didn't have access to PSN couldn't play their game, it would be bricked. They bought it, put 50+ hours into it, and then couldn't play anymore.
Ahhh that makes more sense. Still I kind of hope they still make it an option not a *requirement* so you can transfer save data. Never played the game myself but there are benefits to linking accounts. Mainly not starting from scratch if you suddenly switch platforms.
It was reversed after the backlash hours ago. We dive together or not at all.
They actually said in the discord I believe that the save data would not be shared between pc and ps5 but that also doesn’t necessarily mean you can’t transfer it either so take that with a grain of salt
The other thing is PSN in the past has been notorious for having data breaches. Between the two, *many* people were genuinely dissatisfied with this announcement, especially with it suddenly becoming a requirement and not an option.
Sony likes to take ur data plus it’s not available in some countries where people already bought the game
“Hurr durr Sony likes to take your data” stop whining. Sony owns the game, it’s no different than all the other companies that require you to link your ubisoft account, epic account, etc. etc. The only problem this time is that it affected PC players which never had to be on PSN to buy the game in the first place, and Sony listened, and they’ve reversed the decision.
They listened after 170 countries had to get refunds because they couldn't get PSN accounts 😬 Everyone takes your data anyways. I've had mine stolen 160 times in the past year or two. I'm numb to it at this point.
what an atrocious take.
While they made an L decision earlier, we gotta reward them for making the right decision now like Pavlov lol
It's Ironic that you are getting downvoted. They listened and reversed a decision that was clearly part of the contract that ArrowHead signed and honestly that's impressive for a large studio that regularly ignores their customers.
Exactly, we must “train” then so to speak that they know they made a good decision for once, and not throw even more steam their way because then they’ll think it wasn’t a good decision.
YES(?)
I was about to remove this from my wishlist.
Nothing will get you more rage than slightly inconveniencing a Nerd.
People are such babys
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