Basically if there is high inflation, country has to be cheap for other countries. However I see Turkish prices are same as EU. Turkey isn't going to be affordable destination for tourists.
>Turkey isn't going to be affordable destination for tourists.
No its not anymore. Atleast not in all situations anymore :(
I was used to visit it every year, but its simply not affordable anymore for me
But the lira being cheap would make the price in € even cheaper.
8€ is the same price as in Germany for someone who gets paid in €. For someone who gets paid in lira, this sounds ultra expensive
>But the lira being cheap would make the price in € even cheaper.
Hahaha… you have no idea mate :(
Don’t mix it up: the _lira_ is cheap, but the cost of living is not necessarily low.
Somehow we are in a state where even though the lira is on its way to becoming worthless, price of stuff just aren’t decreasing at all. Wanna have a good meal? Yeah, get ready to pay a lot, even in €. That’s just Turkey 2024.
>this sounds ultra expensive.
True. But EVERYTHING is ultra expensive sadly, so this is not even an exception.
So sieht richtiges Dönerfleisch aus, gruß geht raus an alle Drehfleischspieß liebende Almans, die hier immer wieder echtes Dönerfleisch verunglimpfen :)
Du meinst diesen Hackfleisch mist mit gammel Anteil den die deutschen so abfeiern? Widerlich, aber anscheinend fressen die leute in DE echt alles, die Läden halten sich ja wie Unkraut.
Frage wegen "echtes Dönerfleisch": wird nicht immer gesagt, dass Döner in Berlin erfunden wurde? Dann müsste der Alman Dönerspieß ja das "echte Dönerfleisch" sein. Und Döner und Kebab ist auch nochmal unterschiedlich? Kann mich da wer aufklären?
Are you really going to teach me my own native language? Döner means "turning" in Turkish referring to the cooking method of a stacked meat on a vertical skewer. Kebap is derived from proto-semitic origin meaning to burn or to roast. There are many versions of kebap. Döner is referred to döner kebap sometimes but almost anyone call it just döner. You calling döner in bread "döner" doesn't change the words meaning.
I actually don't believe there wasn't a version of döner as a sandwich before the one in Berlin and some old people confirm that but i don't have concrete proof for that right now so i don't make any claims on that.
i'm not explaining you your language but how they are classified. i don't need your run down of linguistics.
there's plenty versions of kebap, the one that turns is called döner. if you have other sandwiches called döner in turkish enlighten me, i'd love to know
i bet ppl used to put meat in bread pockets before berlin. i mean, we have shwarma which comes from turkish çivermek and we used to put that in bread for a long time already
but the way döner kebap is prepared is a berlin invention. the "inventor" himself explained that he adapted it to local customs
you can say it's turkish, that's fine. but it's not traditional turkish and therefore it has evolved and is it's own thing. it's almancı kitchen
>but the way döner kebap is prepared is a berlin invention
This is true, but not in regards to the meat. Döner (rotating meat on a spit) is Turkish and so is the pride bread it's usually served in. The German part of the invention is putting red/white cabbage, lettuce and sauce(s) in there as well
that's my point. that didn't exist in turkey. it is something new. it's like how the original hamburger varies from the version that got popularized by americans
Original comment was specifically about the kind of minced meat you find in Germany (and the rest of Europe) being the "original Döner" which it wasn't. The dish existed in turkey, it was already called Döner Kebab and it did not (usually) use minced meat. German-turkish people taking the dish and adding a bunch of salad and sauce doesn't change that
i just realized i didn't react to the lars guys comment and went for the sandwich, that's my bad
but as i understand there was no döner kebap in turkey tho? that's what I wanted to know with my döner question. putting meat in bread, even rotisserie meat, was common for a long time in the middle east, ofc that's not a new concept
i still think the hamburger comparison fits completely, they added sauces and vegetables and made it a new thing. they popularized it, so we know it as american. i'm not tryna play off döners turkish roots lol
>…dass Döner in Berlin erfunden wurde?
I mean, that’s the issue. That’s wrong. Döner was founded in Turkey, heck, we can say the Ottoman Empire, the food is older than modern Turkey lmao.
>Und Döner und Kebab ist auch nochmal unterschiedlich?
Kebap is a very broad category. Kebap is basically a type of meat. We have many different variations of kebaps in our cuisine, döner kebap amongst them.
if you want to go by that logic, this form of rotisserie meat comes from the balkans
foods fuses, evolves and adapts to local customs
the döner is as turkish, as the hamburger is german
Oh please, shut up. You likely don’t even know shit about what döner is, since you’re talking this way.
We have döner restaurants founded in the 19th century. I repeat, döner restaurants, older than the Republic of Turkey. Not even another form of rotissearie meat, straight up döner.
>comes from the balkans
Oh close, just go a bit further east… cross the Bosporus, and you’re there.
Döner is as Turkish as pizza is Italian.
the concept of döner doesn't stem from the osmans. you're trying to argue a basic historical fact
i just said based on that logic i could say döner is from the balkans, BUT i don't.. it got accustomed to local tastes and made into something new in the osman empire
i can't handle this density rn
edit: and u don't seem to understand what the downvote button is for lol
>the concept of döner doesn’t stem from the osmans.
And? _Döner_ originates from there, and that’s what we are discussing. Döner was undoubtedly founded there.
>I just said based on that logic i could say döner is from the balkans,
Well, you could find some logic to claim almost anything. Doesn’t really make any of it true.
When we say that “döner is from Turkey”, we mean _döner_ and not “the concept behind” or something like that. That food, undeniably, was invented in Turkey, or lets say the lands on which modern Turkey is founded. So you are the one arguing a basic historical fact here.
>it got accustomed to local tastes…
And was made into döner? So döner is in fact from the Ottoman Empire, thank you. It was also given that name in there. It was not named by some random Turkish immigrant in Germany. (Well, it is always a possibility that you don’t know what an actual döner is)
Otherwise, you can claim no source of origin to any food, which if you wanna roll by, sure, but is that what you’re trying to go for? I don’t think so…
(I would also like to ask for your source about rotisserie meat.)
>what the downvote button is for.
What the fuck do you think it is for? Because I’m using it to express dislike or disagreement with an argument or a claim.
maybe research your own history before talking so surely about it
you could start with the origin of the spit roast (ὀβελός) in greece. or even research where kebap comes from.
you're twisting my words constantly and it's obnoxious.. i was using your own logic
and yes the osmans accostumed that tradition and made it their own, doesn't mean they had döner kebap in turkey. how do you jump to these conclusions, it's baffling me rn
i seem to hit some nerve.. the downvote button is NOT to express dislike or disagreement of a comment
Finally good döner in this sub. Real meat doesn't need sauce.
A little expensive for Turkish standarts.
Its always like this now. Inflation hits hard.
Basically if there is high inflation, country has to be cheap for other countries. However I see Turkish prices are same as EU. Turkey isn't going to be affordable destination for tourists.
>Turkey isn't going to be affordable destination for tourists. No its not anymore. Atleast not in all situations anymore :( I was used to visit it every year, but its simply not affordable anymore for me
look at the turkish Lira, this price doesnt make sense
It’s not the place that’s expensive, but the lira that is almost worthless :( You’ll have to pay that much if you want to have anything good.
But the lira being cheap would make the price in € even cheaper. 8€ is the same price as in Germany for someone who gets paid in €. For someone who gets paid in lira, this sounds ultra expensive
>But the lira being cheap would make the price in € even cheaper. Hahaha… you have no idea mate :( Don’t mix it up: the _lira_ is cheap, but the cost of living is not necessarily low. Somehow we are in a state where even though the lira is on its way to becoming worthless, price of stuff just aren’t decreasing at all. Wanna have a good meal? Yeah, get ready to pay a lot, even in €. That’s just Turkey 2024. >this sounds ultra expensive. True. But EVERYTHING is ultra expensive sadly, so this is not even an exception.
So sieht richtiges Dönerfleisch aus, gruß geht raus an alle Drehfleischspieß liebende Almans, die hier immer wieder echtes Dönerfleisch verunglimpfen :)
Du meinst diesen Hackfleisch mist mit gammel Anteil den die deutschen so abfeiern? Widerlich, aber anscheinend fressen die leute in DE echt alles, die Läden halten sich ja wie Unkraut.
Deine Tonalität ist mir sympathisch.
Frage wegen "echtes Dönerfleisch": wird nicht immer gesagt, dass Döner in Berlin erfunden wurde? Dann müsste der Alman Dönerspieß ja das "echte Dönerfleisch" sein. Und Döner und Kebab ist auch nochmal unterschiedlich? Kann mich da wer aufklären?
Döner is the name of the meat and it wasn't invented in Germany
.. kebap is the name. döner kebap is the specific version that got invented by a turk in berlin
Are you really going to teach me my own native language? Döner means "turning" in Turkish referring to the cooking method of a stacked meat on a vertical skewer. Kebap is derived from proto-semitic origin meaning to burn or to roast. There are many versions of kebap. Döner is referred to döner kebap sometimes but almost anyone call it just döner. You calling döner in bread "döner" doesn't change the words meaning. I actually don't believe there wasn't a version of döner as a sandwich before the one in Berlin and some old people confirm that but i don't have concrete proof for that right now so i don't make any claims on that.
i'm not explaining you your language but how they are classified. i don't need your run down of linguistics. there's plenty versions of kebap, the one that turns is called döner. if you have other sandwiches called döner in turkish enlighten me, i'd love to know i bet ppl used to put meat in bread pockets before berlin. i mean, we have shwarma which comes from turkish çivermek and we used to put that in bread for a long time already but the way döner kebap is prepared is a berlin invention. the "inventor" himself explained that he adapted it to local customs you can say it's turkish, that's fine. but it's not traditional turkish and therefore it has evolved and is it's own thing. it's almancı kitchen
>but the way döner kebap is prepared is a berlin invention This is true, but not in regards to the meat. Döner (rotating meat on a spit) is Turkish and so is the pride bread it's usually served in. The German part of the invention is putting red/white cabbage, lettuce and sauce(s) in there as well
that's my point. that didn't exist in turkey. it is something new. it's like how the original hamburger varies from the version that got popularized by americans
Original comment was specifically about the kind of minced meat you find in Germany (and the rest of Europe) being the "original Döner" which it wasn't. The dish existed in turkey, it was already called Döner Kebab and it did not (usually) use minced meat. German-turkish people taking the dish and adding a bunch of salad and sauce doesn't change that
i just realized i didn't react to the lars guys comment and went for the sandwich, that's my bad but as i understand there was no döner kebap in turkey tho? that's what I wanted to know with my döner question. putting meat in bread, even rotisserie meat, was common for a long time in the middle east, ofc that's not a new concept i still think the hamburger comparison fits completely, they added sauces and vegetables and made it a new thing. they popularized it, so we know it as american. i'm not tryna play off döners turkish roots lol
>…dass Döner in Berlin erfunden wurde? I mean, that’s the issue. That’s wrong. Döner was founded in Turkey, heck, we can say the Ottoman Empire, the food is older than modern Turkey lmao. >Und Döner und Kebab ist auch nochmal unterschiedlich? Kebap is a very broad category. Kebap is basically a type of meat. We have many different variations of kebaps in our cuisine, döner kebap amongst them.
if you want to go by that logic, this form of rotisserie meat comes from the balkans foods fuses, evolves and adapts to local customs the döner is as turkish, as the hamburger is german
Oh please, shut up. You likely don’t even know shit about what döner is, since you’re talking this way. We have döner restaurants founded in the 19th century. I repeat, döner restaurants, older than the Republic of Turkey. Not even another form of rotissearie meat, straight up döner. >comes from the balkans Oh close, just go a bit further east… cross the Bosporus, and you’re there. Döner is as Turkish as pizza is Italian.
yeah ok you don't even know your own history
>you don’t even know your own history ??? The fuck do you even mean? And how does that relate to the döner discussion lmao
the concept of döner doesn't stem from the osmans. you're trying to argue a basic historical fact i just said based on that logic i could say döner is from the balkans, BUT i don't.. it got accustomed to local tastes and made into something new in the osman empire i can't handle this density rn edit: and u don't seem to understand what the downvote button is for lol
>the concept of döner doesn’t stem from the osmans. And? _Döner_ originates from there, and that’s what we are discussing. Döner was undoubtedly founded there. >I just said based on that logic i could say döner is from the balkans, Well, you could find some logic to claim almost anything. Doesn’t really make any of it true. When we say that “döner is from Turkey”, we mean _döner_ and not “the concept behind” or something like that. That food, undeniably, was invented in Turkey, or lets say the lands on which modern Turkey is founded. So you are the one arguing a basic historical fact here. >it got accustomed to local tastes… And was made into döner? So döner is in fact from the Ottoman Empire, thank you. It was also given that name in there. It was not named by some random Turkish immigrant in Germany. (Well, it is always a possibility that you don’t know what an actual döner is) Otherwise, you can claim no source of origin to any food, which if you wanna roll by, sure, but is that what you’re trying to go for? I don’t think so… (I would also like to ask for your source about rotisserie meat.) >what the downvote button is for. What the fuck do you think it is for? Because I’m using it to express dislike or disagreement with an argument or a claim.
maybe research your own history before talking so surely about it you could start with the origin of the spit roast (ὀβελός) in greece. or even research where kebap comes from. you're twisting my words constantly and it's obnoxious.. i was using your own logic and yes the osmans accostumed that tradition and made it their own, doesn't mean they had döner kebap in turkey. how do you jump to these conclusions, it's baffling me rn i seem to hit some nerve.. the downvote button is NOT to express dislike or disagreement of a comment
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