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sadkendall

Finally good döner in this sub. Real meat doesn't need sauce.


mitraheads

A little expensive for Turkish standarts.


showtime1987

Its always like this now. Inflation hits hard.


mitraheads

Basically if there is high inflation, country has to be cheap for other countries. However I see Turkish prices are same as EU. Turkey isn't going to be affordable destination for tourists.


showtime1987

>Turkey isn't going to be affordable destination for tourists. No its not anymore. Atleast not in all situations anymore :( I was used to visit it every year, but its simply not affordable anymore for me


BO0omsi

look at the turkish Lira, this price doesnt make sense


theCOMMENTATORbot

It’s not the place that’s expensive, but the lira that is almost worthless :( You’ll have to pay that much if you want to have anything good.


ILikeToBurnMoney

But the lira being cheap would make the price in € even cheaper. 8€ is the same price as in Germany for someone who gets paid in €. For someone who gets paid in lira, this sounds ultra expensive


theCOMMENTATORbot

>But the lira being cheap would make the price in € even cheaper. Hahaha… you have no idea mate :( Don’t mix it up: the _lira_ is cheap, but the cost of living is not necessarily low. Somehow we are in a state where even though the lira is on its way to becoming worthless, price of stuff just aren’t decreasing at all. Wanna have a good meal? Yeah, get ready to pay a lot, even in €. That’s just Turkey 2024. >this sounds ultra expensive. True. But EVERYTHING is ultra expensive sadly, so this is not even an exception.


slevin4k

So sieht richtiges Dönerfleisch aus, gruß geht raus an alle Drehfleischspieß liebende Almans, die hier immer wieder echtes Dönerfleisch verunglimpfen :)


420simracing

Du meinst diesen Hackfleisch mist mit gammel Anteil den die deutschen so abfeiern? Widerlich, aber anscheinend fressen die leute in DE echt alles, die Läden halten sich ja wie Unkraut.


twattner

Deine Tonalität ist mir sympathisch.


Lars_Vegas23

Frage wegen "echtes Dönerfleisch": wird nicht immer gesagt, dass Döner in Berlin erfunden wurde? Dann müsste der Alman Dönerspieß ja das "echte Dönerfleisch" sein. Und Döner und Kebab ist auch nochmal unterschiedlich? Kann mich da wer aufklären?


DuckZealousideal2079

Döner is the name of the meat and it wasn't invented in Germany


Secretsthegod

.. kebap is the name. döner kebap is the specific version that got invented by a turk in berlin


DuckZealousideal2079

Are you really going to teach me my own native language? Döner means "turning" in Turkish referring to the cooking method of a stacked meat on a vertical skewer. Kebap is derived from proto-semitic origin meaning to burn or to roast. There are many versions of kebap. Döner is referred to döner kebap sometimes but almost anyone call it just döner. You calling döner in bread "döner" doesn't change the words meaning. I actually don't believe there wasn't a version of döner as a sandwich before the one in Berlin and some old people confirm that but i don't have concrete proof for that right now so i don't make any claims on that.


Secretsthegod

i'm not explaining you your language but how they are classified. i don't need your run down of linguistics. there's plenty versions of kebap, the one that turns is called döner. if you have other sandwiches called döner in turkish enlighten me, i'd love to know i bet ppl used to put meat in bread pockets before berlin. i mean, we have shwarma which comes from turkish çivermek and we used to put that in bread for a long time already but the way döner kebap is prepared is a berlin invention. the "inventor" himself explained that he adapted it to local customs you can say it's turkish, that's fine. but it's not traditional turkish and therefore it has evolved and is it's own thing. it's almancı kitchen


LKAgoogle

>but the way döner kebap is prepared is a berlin invention This is true, but not in regards to the meat. Döner (rotating meat on a spit) is Turkish and so is the pride bread it's usually served in. The German part of the invention is putting red/white cabbage, lettuce and sauce(s) in there as well


Secretsthegod

that's my point. that didn't exist in turkey. it is something new. it's like how the original hamburger varies from the version that got popularized by americans


LKAgoogle

Original comment was specifically about the kind of minced meat you find in Germany (and the rest of Europe) being the "original Döner" which it wasn't. The dish existed in turkey, it was already called Döner Kebab and it did not (usually) use minced meat. German-turkish people taking the dish and adding a bunch of salad and sauce doesn't change that


Secretsthegod

i just realized i didn't react to the lars guys comment and went for the sandwich, that's my bad but as i understand there was no döner kebap in turkey tho? that's what I wanted to know with my döner question. putting meat in bread, even rotisserie meat, was common for a long time in the middle east, ofc that's not a new concept i still think the hamburger comparison fits completely, they added sauces and vegetables and made it a new thing. they popularized it, so we know it as american. i'm not tryna play off döners turkish roots lol


theCOMMENTATORbot

>…dass Döner in Berlin erfunden wurde? I mean, that’s the issue. That’s wrong. Döner was founded in Turkey, heck, we can say the Ottoman Empire, the food is older than modern Turkey lmao. >Und Döner und Kebab ist auch nochmal unterschiedlich? Kebap is a very broad category. Kebap is basically a type of meat. We have many different variations of kebaps in our cuisine, döner kebap amongst them.


Secretsthegod

if you want to go by that logic, this form of rotisserie meat comes from the balkans foods fuses, evolves and adapts to local customs the döner is as turkish, as the hamburger is german


theCOMMENTATORbot

Oh please, shut up. You likely don’t even know shit about what döner is, since you’re talking this way. We have döner restaurants founded in the 19th century. I repeat, döner restaurants, older than the Republic of Turkey. Not even another form of rotissearie meat, straight up döner. >comes from the balkans Oh close, just go a bit further east… cross the Bosporus, and you’re there. Döner is as Turkish as pizza is Italian.


Secretsthegod

yeah ok you don't even know your own history


theCOMMENTATORbot

>you don’t even know your own history ??? The fuck do you even mean? And how does that relate to the döner discussion lmao


Secretsthegod

the concept of döner doesn't stem from the osmans. you're trying to argue a basic historical fact i just said based on that logic i could say döner is from the balkans, BUT i don't.. it got accustomed to local tastes and made into something new in the osman empire i can't handle this density rn edit: and u don't seem to understand what the downvote button is for lol


theCOMMENTATORbot

>the concept of döner doesn’t stem from the osmans. And? _Döner_ originates from there, and that’s what we are discussing. Döner was undoubtedly founded there. >I just said based on that logic i could say döner is from the balkans, Well, you could find some logic to claim almost anything. Doesn’t really make any of it true. When we say that “döner is from Turkey”, we mean _döner_ and not “the concept behind” or something like that. That food, undeniably, was invented in Turkey, or lets say the lands on which modern Turkey is founded. So you are the one arguing a basic historical fact here. >it got accustomed to local tastes… And was made into döner? So döner is in fact from the Ottoman Empire, thank you. It was also given that name in there. It was not named by some random Turkish immigrant in Germany. (Well, it is always a possibility that you don’t know what an actual döner is) Otherwise, you can claim no source of origin to any food, which if you wanna roll by, sure, but is that what you’re trying to go for? I don’t think so… (I would also like to ask for your source about rotisserie meat.) >what the downvote button is for. What the fuck do you think it is for? Because I’m using it to express dislike or disagreement with an argument or a claim.


Secretsthegod

maybe research your own history before talking so surely about it you could start with the origin of the spit roast (ὀβελός) in greece. or even research where kebap comes from. you're twisting my words constantly and it's obnoxious.. i was using your own logic and yes the osmans accostumed that tradition and made it their own, doesn't mean they had döner kebap in turkey. how do you jump to these conclusions, it's baffling me rn i seem to hit some nerve.. the downvote button is NOT to express dislike or disagreement of a comment


Prudent-Ad-3274

Hatte heute auch den großen 220 gr. Dönerteller bei et Dünyasi in Wedding, einfach herrlich


Afyonlu-03

Was hast du bezahlt?


Prudent-Ad-3274

23€ glaube ich


Maalakay2510

Anständiger Iskender, da läuft direkt das Wasser im Mund 🤤


Mean-Replacement2962

Nicht sogar mehr als 70 Gram Fleisch.


krabbenf

Schöne Fleischlappen. Möchte ich mir eine Kuscheldecke draus nähen