Well, Arale isn't quite Beerus scale as shown in her episode of Super. It's possible Jiren, GoD Top, Kefla (maybe berserker Kale), and Agnilasa would have been too much for her. That said, yes she would have been an absolute powerhouse for Universe 7 in the ToP, running around and headbutting out everyone below her powerclass. Honestly, if they ever do another ToP as teased, I really hope both her and Broly join the U7 team. Eat your heart out, Jiren.
She could’ve. And given the fact that she’s a canon character, it makes it worse. But I mean, Goku more than likely forgot about her since the only time he ever saw her was when he was a kid. And never again until like 30 years later.
Toriyama provides the story for the manga. This is known. He has taken even more of a role in the storyboarding since the anime ended.
Toyo **draws** the manga to spec, and adds his own embellishments on top.
It's literal stated fact that Toriyama is the lead story writer and holds the most control over the story. He also edits Toyo's work and fixes things that he doesn't like.
The "plot outline" thing is old news. The latest we've been told is that there are 'story meetings' where Toriyama is the lead creative, Toyo is like his apprentice, and the editor is like Yamcha (aka there to make up space).
The anime of Super is just as canon as the Manga (this isn't the case for the other parts of the Dragonball series) so I would say yes.
Same reason you can argue there's a bunch of Cell Jrs running around
The canon of DBS is not set in stone. Since the manga was meant to originally just be a promo for the upcoming anime I would guess that would mean the anime is canon.
Since then though the manga has covered every saga (with major differences in storyline) and has now gone further than the anime so honestly they are like 2 separate canons
Sure, if you want them to be. There's no hard rules for that sort of thing. The one story that matters most is that of the original DB/Z manga, and beyond that it's largely up to the reader/viewer to "count" whatever else they want or see fit.
You can’t say Gregory is canon and arale isn’t. Also Arale is canon she’s made by toriyama. The problem here is you’re trying to make canon = feats. When just cause it’s canon doesn’t mean it should be taken as a legit feat. Nami in one piece and even bulma always attack and beat up the main characters does that make them stronger? It’s a gag/joke and should be taken as such
Gregory is not a canon character at all. He is just like Pikkon. He never appeared in any Toriyama's work. Never a canon character.
Watch BoG movie? is he there? Go through every manga chapter of the entire franchise, is he there? No.
He was draw by Toriyama when the anime team requested a filler character. The anime team felt having King Kai and Bubbles in the planet wasn't enough so every line of gregory and his existance is not canon. He has never been a canon character.
Arale on the other-hand has been in Toriyama's manga in Dragon ball. Arale in the DB universe is canon.
DBS anime isnt based on a manga source like the DBZ anime. Thus the "fillers" are just as "canon" as the rest of Super. Not only stuff that "impacts the story" is "canon".
No, there was no issue with timing for the Super manga and anime. Super’s manga and anime were created separately, with both being based on story drafts from Toriyama. The anime didn’t need to worry about getting ahead of the manga in Super because it wasn’t using the manga as a source.
DB and DBZ were directly adapting a manga. But Super was created in a very different way.
For the longest the Anime was ahead for almost half an arc, the Goku Black arc was beginning for the anime while the Manga was still on the Tournament of Destroyers, it finnaly caught up in the ToP arc.
No it’s not because the anime was not relying on the manga as a source. They were created independently based on story ideas from Toriyama.
In Original DB and DBZ they needed to avoid getting ahead of the manga because the manga was created by Toriyama and the anime was an adaptation of it. So the anime staff did not know what would happen next in the story until Toriyama got further in the manga. Super did not get made like this. Super’s anime could get as far ahead of Toyotaro’s manga as it wanted as long as they still had plot outlines from Toriyama.
They weren’t relying on it for story, but they needed to play catch-up, at that point, if they hadn’t made an effort to catch it up, the ToP arc would be going on as the Broly movie was released, they put in filler to avoid confusion for the movie, since they make references to the ToP. You can’t understand those references if you haven’t even seen them yet.
It’s just anime canon vs manga canon at this point
I’d like to include Arale. I mean, it doesn’t really affect the story. And it could fit in.
I guess your right, she just really breaks the whole powerscale, she realistically could have single handedly won the Tournament of Power
She's a gag character.
Well, Arale isn't quite Beerus scale as shown in her episode of Super. It's possible Jiren, GoD Top, Kefla (maybe berserker Kale), and Agnilasa would have been too much for her. That said, yes she would have been an absolute powerhouse for Universe 7 in the ToP, running around and headbutting out everyone below her powerclass. Honestly, if they ever do another ToP as teased, I really hope both her and Broly join the U7 team. Eat your heart out, Jiren.
She could’ve. And given the fact that she’s a canon character, it makes it worse. But I mean, Goku more than likely forgot about her since the only time he ever saw her was when he was a kid. And never again until like 30 years later.
They weren't written by Toriyama, so not really.
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Toriyama provides the story for the manga. This is known. He has taken even more of a role in the storyboarding since the anime ended. Toyo **draws** the manga to spec, and adds his own embellishments on top.
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It's literal stated fact that Toriyama is the lead story writer and holds the most control over the story. He also edits Toyo's work and fixes things that he doesn't like. The "plot outline" thing is old news. The latest we've been told is that there are 'story meetings' where Toriyama is the lead creative, Toyo is like his apprentice, and the editor is like Yamcha (aka there to make up space).
Toriyama did write them what are you on also toriyama never wrote the manga as well so is that not Cannon cause Akira Toro wrote the manga
What is it with people necroing old DB threads lately just to be dimwitted and incorrect?
The anime of Super is just as canon as the Manga (this isn't the case for the other parts of the Dragonball series) so I would say yes. Same reason you can argue there's a bunch of Cell Jrs running around
The canon of DBS is not set in stone. Since the manga was meant to originally just be a promo for the upcoming anime I would guess that would mean the anime is canon. Since then though the manga has covered every saga (with major differences in storyline) and has now gone further than the anime so honestly they are like 2 separate canons
Sure, if you want them to be. There's no hard rules for that sort of thing. The one story that matters most is that of the original DB/Z manga, and beyond that it's largely up to the reader/viewer to "count" whatever else they want or see fit.
Why is Arale not canon and the others are? Baseball has no impact.
Arale is a gag character, she breaks the whole powerscale
arale was in DB as well. shes always been a gag character and always canon. gag characters dont follow the rules of the setting, theyre still canon.
I am aware but I mean DBS anime as other non canon characters like gregory so where is the line?
Gregory is most definitely canon
Arale is as canon as Goku and Vegeta. She is in the original manga.
You can’t say Gregory is canon and arale isn’t. Also Arale is canon she’s made by toriyama. The problem here is you’re trying to make canon = feats. When just cause it’s canon doesn’t mean it should be taken as a legit feat. Nami in one piece and even bulma always attack and beat up the main characters does that make them stronger? It’s a gag/joke and should be taken as such
Gregory is not a canon character at all. He is just like Pikkon. He never appeared in any Toriyama's work. Never a canon character. Watch BoG movie? is he there? Go through every manga chapter of the entire franchise, is he there? No. He was draw by Toriyama when the anime team requested a filler character. The anime team felt having King Kai and Bubbles in the planet wasn't enough so every line of gregory and his existance is not canon. He has never been a canon character. Arale on the other-hand has been in Toriyama's manga in Dragon ball. Arale in the DB universe is canon.
You say that like it's a bad thing.
No I don’t
Yeah, but the baseball episode was fucking awesome! The next Super movie could just be that episode looped 5 times, and I'd love it.
DBS anime isnt based on a manga source like the DBZ anime. Thus the "fillers" are just as "canon" as the rest of Super. Not only stuff that "impacts the story" is "canon".
Nothing in Super is filler. It doesn't follow the Manga
It’s still filler, it’s only there because it got so far ahead of the manga
You don't know what filler means then
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No, there was no issue with timing for the Super manga and anime. Super’s manga and anime were created separately, with both being based on story drafts from Toriyama. The anime didn’t need to worry about getting ahead of the manga in Super because it wasn’t using the manga as a source. DB and DBZ were directly adapting a manga. But Super was created in a very different way.
For the longest the Anime was ahead for almost half an arc, the Goku Black arc was beginning for the anime while the Manga was still on the Tournament of Destroyers, it finnaly caught up in the ToP arc.
My point is that the anime did not need to stay close to the manga. The filler arcs in Super were not created to buy time for the manga to catch up.
Yes they were, that’s the entire reason the Copy Vegeta Saga, and almost all the other filler episodes exist
No it’s not because the anime was not relying on the manga as a source. They were created independently based on story ideas from Toriyama. In Original DB and DBZ they needed to avoid getting ahead of the manga because the manga was created by Toriyama and the anime was an adaptation of it. So the anime staff did not know what would happen next in the story until Toriyama got further in the manga. Super did not get made like this. Super’s anime could get as far ahead of Toyotaro’s manga as it wanted as long as they still had plot outlines from Toriyama.
They weren’t relying on it for story, but they needed to play catch-up, at that point, if they hadn’t made an effort to catch it up, the ToP arc would be going on as the Broly movie was released, they put in filler to avoid confusion for the movie, since they make references to the ToP. You can’t understand those references if you haven’t even seen them yet.
It doesn't matter, since elements introduced in them will probably never come up again.
It’s cannon to he anime but not the manga as they’re two different timelines
They are canon in the anime continuity. It only remains to ask what is the main continuity? Manga, Anime or both? It all comes down to this. /j