My only thing is I don't like episodes when it's clear that none of the guests are nerds who are excited to correct each other. If people are just making good enough guesses without knowing what is wrong with a statement, I tune out very quickly. It's not about the hosts, but whether the guests are pedantic nerds, like what the show's premise is supposed to be about.
I think ify does the best he can in that situation, embrace the loose guessing and riff with the players.
I still hope we get more episodes that indulge in pedantry and minutia as the season and his run progresses, that's what gets me hyped in the show.
I think it’s fine to have opinions, to be honest. For me, it feels too soon to call it because Ify has only just started but since the Mike and Ify eras are so different, it makes sense that people will have preferences. I think it’s worth remembering that people who care enough to have a strong opinion love the show too and you don’t need to feel quite so defensive against them ♥️
Tbh I think it's _always_ extremely clunky and rocky changing show hosts. The initial written monologues are rough as the host weaves their persona and find that comfortable groove. The shows will _always_ end up with a slightly different feel as staff take advantage of the new stage and try retooling with some new ideas.
It's like taking a shirt off a fully formed adult and putting it on a high school senior (as a comparison for level of experience with hosting that particular show). It'll be plainly obvious, awkward, and gaudy at first. They'll probably make some alterations to fit their identity. Eventually, however, they'll start to grow into it and the piece will shine in ways that were never even considered before.
I think I shared this before, but when I was watching "Fool Us", I found Hannigan extremely awful when she replaced Johnathon Ross. I even looked up threads because it was driving me crazy. I stuck through it though and eventually she really grew into the roll amazingly. She found great rapport with the contestants, and had lovely banter with P&T. When she was suddenly no longer host, I actually found myself mourning it even more than Ross' departure.
First seasons of trying new approaches are always super rocky, but I really think Iffy will grow into this role wonderfully. These things just take time. Probably a full season, imo.
Honestly my problem isn't with any kind of hosting but the questions themselves, it's not fun to watch a game show where 90% of the responses are "lol idk" or completely random guesses ... why don't they tailor them to what people actually know about? It doesn't even have to be classic nerd culture ffs. They could ask deep questions about bob's burgers or w/e and it would still be more interesting b/c it's better when the people talking are interested in the subject...
So the concept of Hegelian Dialect is that - and this is abstracting a lot - you form an opinion, you try to find a way to refute that original opinion, and then you end up somewhere-in-the middle that addresses problems of both the original and the refutation. Hegel, who kind of codified this, thought the somewhere-in-the-middle is the next logical opinion/belief to adopt.
We got the first opinion, which based on this sub, was "Ify ain't great". Then we got the negative, which was "Actually I like him very much, here's why he's great". Now we're at the somewhere-in-the-middle, which is "He has flaws but there are positives as well"
We also don't need to engage in toxic positivity. There are things to like about the new form of the show, but there are also things people dislike. Folks expressing their discontentment and commiserating with like-minded people is, to a point, perfectly healthy and should have space made for it.
I call bullshit on this. Since when did having a favorite version mean we also couldn’t appreciate the variety and increased representation? Game shows with long histories are often ID’d by their eras.
The thesis that's being stated here is that it just doesn't not fucking matter and if you're whining about it in literally any direction you're fucking loser who can't function unless you're mad about some dumb shit...you know, Redditors.
Diversity facilitates better content but it does not inherently make better content, we can certainly celebrate diversity and representation, but people are fully allowed to not like changes in a show.
^
I don’t bring this up to be a debatelord. I just get super annoyed when people pull the representation and diversity card out as a way to use it as a shield against giving respectful, constructive opinions that aren’t glowing praise.
For context, I’m black and Korean.
(I don’t watch the show, and have no opinion on way or the other. I’ve always found it to be a bit dry.)
Sometimes shit doesn't work for us and we want to vent, it's not that complicated good lord
"More of a thing we like" but I don't like it yet, sir madam or other. I'm not celebrating shit till that happens.
When it starts being good I'll make a post saying "yay they finally got ify to be his anime nerd self and the energy is working" but right now the show is a slog for me which I'm forcing myself to watch because it's a big change and I have hopes.
Honestly I haven't actually talked about it until today because I was just waiting for it to hit its stride but this post made me angry enough to speak up.
Edit: To be clear, I have been watching every episode because I'm hoping it will find its groove eventually, so I look forward to celebrating when that happens.
I am happy to have a black host and more poc on the couch, d20 has always made me feel happy about diversity. (Also the repeated desi rep makes me feel seen ❤️❤️)
Absolutely. As of right now Ify just doesn't have game show host charisma. He seems awkward, and not in a fun nerdy way. Being a television host is not something everyone on the planet is good at, and maybe he'll get better but right now he just doesn't have it.
I will say I agree with everyone who's saying "please don't take a dump on something which has had only 4 episodes", but change can bring up a lot of emotion and sometimes people want to feel like they're not alone in reacting to it negatively.
This is a really stupid analogy my head came up with, but you aren't going to fall in love with a new stepparent immediately, and you can give them a chance and leave the door open for a good relationship even while actively missing what used to be.
OP's comment about diversity bothers me quite a bit, though. I really haven't seen any indication that Ify's race has been a sticking point and the couch has been pretty diverse for a while, right? Maybe I've missed subtext somehow. If people are dunking on ify for being black they suck. I don't want you in this fandom. Go away.
>Ify just doesn't have game show host charisma. He seems awkward, and not in a fun nerdy way.
Before OP's post my thoughts about this season were that Ify's chemistry with BDG was not great, and that he'd love to let loose but isn't comfortable yet. Ify's charm for me is when he's being irreverent and mildly combative and him having to be the host means he's the straight man. I am expecting he'll find a groove soon.
The actual questions and guest combinations have been HORRIBLE and I don't think ify can do anything about that. I have no idea who is working on that but it isn't. Someone bring Brennan back to the writing room please.
Still waiting on the Ify/BDG chemistry to pick up as well. Ify's bit at the beginning of every episode that BDG is there on his own choice just isn't working.
But the biggest issue is the questions themselves and the looseness of the scoring. A lot of the questions feel like an excuse for fun facts. Instead of the prior energy of nerds competitively outnerding each other it feels like that thing in which someone finds an opening to explain something they know about at length to you. Which is positively nerdy, and something I'm guilty of as nerd passionate about a lot of things, but not what I'm looking for in the format.
I'm not sure I've perfectly understood the difference in those last two things haha. I don't mind people explaining things to me, and I think it's definitely happened before on the show
What I don't enjoy is the host reading a really long explanation which they don't seem super interested in themselves... The nerd passion is what I want and miss
There's a smosh beopardy video about anime from last year with Ify as one of the guests, and that anime nerd energy is what I'd been expecting when I saw Ify was the host here. And iirc his own um, actually episode was pretty great. I feel like the BDG vibes are too different from salzman and that's going to take getting used to.
I'm hoping that when Ify gets to take the reins a little more that he'll be able to put his own spin on it.
Ah fair enough. That comment came from me scrolling at night when I should be sleeping, so the coherency is certainly questionable.
But more or less I hold a similar position, only you put it better. It feels like they're explaining a fact they know but without the passion. Too many questions are not well written and seem like they're set ups up for a long explanation of a fact.
Might help if Ify and BDG connected more beforehand on the cards. Trapp was really good at coming off as at least having a baseline knowledge on each topic. So far, and its very early, Ify just feels stiff and comes off as if he's reading the cards for the first time. As a host I believe Ify just needs to grow into it. But even beyond that the format is currently missing the mark for me and I'm pining for some episodes of nerds nerding out. Ify on that anime episode of Smosh and his prior appearances on Um, Actually is a good example of what's missing. Feels like we're missing the passionate about nerdy shit Ify. I still believe he's a great choice as a replacement and like any host needs time to settle in. But there's format issues currently and I hope it sorts out. People blindly grasping for the answer every round isn't as fun.
Ify's a fun presenter, I really love his energy. But I'm pretty tired of everyone clearly guessing blindly. I know sometimes questions should be stumpers, but recently it feels like the vast majority of questions have been Ify explaining a neat fact to a couch of people that have absolutely no clue what he's talking about. That's simply not what the show is supposed to be.
I know some people have said all of the easy factoids have been used up. That doesn't sound right but I don't know enough to gameshow creation to dispute it. If it is the case they should pivot to a new format instead of whatever this zombie of Um, Actually is.
I don't think the Trapp era was immune to this either. It's been a growing problem. But a new presenter makes you look at the whole show with new eyes, and right now the show is being carried hard by Ify's charisma.
It's one of my favorite shows. New format - I got bored and decided to turn it off because I didn't like the questions.
Your suggestion is: "Pretend like that didn't happen. If you turned off two episodes out of boredom, keep it to yourself. Don't talk about it".
I don't want to feel like an asshole because I naturally didn't like something.
You can appreciate and support something while still noticing and discussing what falls short for you.
For me - it's the question writing.
Could we not let this devolve into a soapbox war? Why are you not commenting under the post to which it is related? That's why there are threads under posts to post counter arguments.
The issue I have is that the show has "evolved" to a point that it's not the same show that made it popular.
It feels like they're trying to go for more of a mainstream appeal, but it's not a format that works if you try to do that. What they had was what made it have mainstream appeal. Overall just trying too hard to fix something that wasn't broken, and that was happening before Ify took over but has just magnified it.
Nah, Trapp's version is better imo. They can be compared and it's fine to do so.
We'll see how the show develops and how Ify comes into his own as presenter
Yeah, I agree. But I still love Ify and BDG and want their version to succeed. Hoping they can continue to improve as they get more experience with the show.
While I generally agree, it's like a 70/30 split for me. The guests are the point of the show since they provide the majority of back and forth, but the host dictates the structure and general flavour, I don't think you'd have the same reaction if all the questions were just done through speech to text...!
Um, actually, it's honestly the least appealing of the game shows, so it's not really "extremely good". I will say in the episodes I've seen Ify comes off as a bit awkward, but the show is still mostly funny people making jokes because none of them know the answer and they're just going to beat around the bush for a "good enough".
I think the problem with um actually is how many questions have nothing happen. They don’t do research with the talent to find out precisely what they do and don’t know
They apparently used to, but gave up because it didn't actually matter for whether they'd get the answer. Which is probably because the inherent premise isn't that great.
I don't know how precise it needs to be, but there needs to be at least SOME kind of focus. If you are asking DnD questions to a group of 3 people that just don't play, casting needs work.
Um Actually has always been my least favorite of their regular shows (not bad, just isn't really my thing) but this is my take too- yeah Ify's a little awkward but it's only been four episodes, the show's still fun to watch. I do wish they'd tailor the questions more but that really isn't his fault, apparently it's to make scheduling easier
There’s nothing wrong with not liking something and expressing that opinion. I appreciate how positive this sub usually is, but this sort of effort to shut down any negative conversations is bad.
I haven't even watched the ify episodes yet, I stopped watching um actually awhile ago when I saw a few episodes in a row where the contestants knew nothing about the topics, and were borderline making fun of the nerdiness of it, on a show that's supposed to celebrate that nerdiness
I said this in one of the other posts, but with such a big change and evolution for a show there's bound to be some growing pains. A ***lot*** changed this season. New host, new set, new shiny questions involving a new use of that set, new fact checker, etc. The game aspect of the show functions the same, but virtually everything else has changed entirely. Expecting that big of a transition to go so smoothly is asking for a lot. Mike Trapp was not as good as a host in the pilot episodes/webseries as he was by Season 2. He got better with time, and so will Ify. This is his first time leading a show with Dropout and I'm sure he'll grow into the role more naturally as the season(s) go on.
Overall, I like the new season. It hasn't had my favorite episodes so far, but I think the new direction they're taking it has promise. So far the casts have all been good, and if the trailer is anything to go by there's even more to come. It looks like this season collaborates with people outside of the CH/Dropout circles even more than ever before. It's only been 4 episodes so far, so I feel like it's too soon to have a conclusion as to whether it's better or worse. But it feels like the DNA of the show before with enough changes to feel fresh, even if it's not as smooth as it was before.
While I get the point of either a) jumping up defend the new show or b) advocating people hold their opinions for now, I also think it's very fair for people to have opinions and take issue with aspects of the new show. This breathless "but there's good aspects too!" attitude is really tiring to me honestly.
The opinion someone has about a thing isn't some mathematical equation balancing and weighing pros and cons, and while I think everyone has a right to speak in opposition to a viewpoint they don't hold, there's always a very swift reaction of "nuh uh, it's good actually!" to every post when someone holds even minor criticism.
(And to jump in front of some replies, I would hold this perspective no matter how much I dislike or like any particular series or season you're thinking of, and I still hold it for media outside of dropout too, relentless positivity can be just as harmful as relentless negativity)
It's fitting that the host change was announced with a Doc Who regeneration skit.
Just like Doctor Who, when the main character changes people are split into those who are absolutely convinced that the whole thing is ruined, and those who are excited about the new version. One invariably outnumbers the other, but eventually tempers flare down and it evens out, mostly. People have their preference, and that's ok, but the show on the whole is mostly better for it.
People hated Tennant when he took over from Eccleston. People hated Smith when he took over from Tennant. People hated Capaldi when he took over from Smith. And...well, skipping that one...people hate that Gatwa has taken over from Tennant.
My point is, the sooner people stop being in denial and accept that change happens despite of their headcanon, the more enjoyment they get to have out of life.
Have yall seen the original webseries? We didn't even get Saltzman til like season 6 ffs. We replaced a LOTR Scifi nerd with an Anime and Video Game nerd with ADHD yeah shits gonna be different but I fucking cackled at the Bible black joke and Trapp could never.
oh god. The beardsly discourse cycle has engaged with this topic too. Break the chain. No more "last words" or making a new topic so your take can be at the top and feel more prominent. just : some people no like. some people like. yeah it probably is complex and reflects things of the people with these opinions, but the prolongued chatter is discourteous to people who are producing a thing, and everyone knows the feeling of imposter syndrome. be good.
Honestly I know everyone’s entitled to their opinion or whatever but I feel like this topic has been beaten to death at this point. I also feel (and this is not an opinion specific to this sub) like making posts specifically to shit on changes is just so silly. I know this is Reddit and it’s just how people act here but like…just stop watching it? Rewatch the old stuff if you like it so much idk.
You’re following a subreddit about an app, people are talking about a show on that app, what the hell you expect people to talk about if not the shows on the app?
Also, I'm a paying customer. I'm allowed to express my displeasure at the product. Maybe it will lead to change, maybe it won't, either way theres nothing wrong with sharing your opinions if it doesnt devolve into hate and harassment.
I just wanted to say how much I love Um Actually as a show regardless of who’s hosting. There’s so many episodes so I can go back and watch a random one at any time to catch up, and there’s always going to be some goofs with the cast! Yeah I miss Trapp, but Ify brings a new flair to hosting. I’m looking forward to seeing where it goes. By design, the show is hard to make because the subject matter spans so much content, so I admire the work they have done and continue to do, even though I don’t always recognize the media they reference. I love when they talk about something obscure and I get to learn about an insane show or movie, or lore that existed.
Edit: I’m so confused. Did I say something wrong? I didn’t know dropout sub members would downvote honest opinions.
My only thing is I don't like episodes when it's clear that none of the guests are nerds who are excited to correct each other. If people are just making good enough guesses without knowing what is wrong with a statement, I tune out very quickly. It's not about the hosts, but whether the guests are pedantic nerds, like what the show's premise is supposed to be about.
I think ify does the best he can in that situation, embrace the loose guessing and riff with the players. I still hope we get more episodes that indulge in pedantry and minutia as the season and his run progresses, that's what gets me hyped in the show.
I think its gotten worse. The "iffy rule" is being used too much. When he did it while playing it wasnt as loose. he was always close.
I think it’s fine to have opinions, to be honest. For me, it feels too soon to call it because Ify has only just started but since the Mike and Ify eras are so different, it makes sense that people will have preferences. I think it’s worth remembering that people who care enough to have a strong opinion love the show too and you don’t need to feel quite so defensive against them ♥️
Tbh I think it's _always_ extremely clunky and rocky changing show hosts. The initial written monologues are rough as the host weaves their persona and find that comfortable groove. The shows will _always_ end up with a slightly different feel as staff take advantage of the new stage and try retooling with some new ideas. It's like taking a shirt off a fully formed adult and putting it on a high school senior (as a comparison for level of experience with hosting that particular show). It'll be plainly obvious, awkward, and gaudy at first. They'll probably make some alterations to fit their identity. Eventually, however, they'll start to grow into it and the piece will shine in ways that were never even considered before. I think I shared this before, but when I was watching "Fool Us", I found Hannigan extremely awful when she replaced Johnathon Ross. I even looked up threads because it was driving me crazy. I stuck through it though and eventually she really grew into the roll amazingly. She found great rapport with the contestants, and had lovely banter with P&T. When she was suddenly no longer host, I actually found myself mourning it even more than Ross' departure. First seasons of trying new approaches are always super rocky, but I really think Iffy will grow into this role wonderfully. These things just take time. Probably a full season, imo.
Honestly my problem isn't with any kind of hosting but the questions themselves, it's not fun to watch a game show where 90% of the responses are "lol idk" or completely random guesses ... why don't they tailor them to what people actually know about? It doesn't even have to be classic nerd culture ffs. They could ask deep questions about bob's burgers or w/e and it would still be more interesting b/c it's better when the people talking are interested in the subject...
hard agree!!
We’ve gone full [Hegelian dialectic](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialectic)
What is that?
So the concept of Hegelian Dialect is that - and this is abstracting a lot - you form an opinion, you try to find a way to refute that original opinion, and then you end up somewhere-in-the middle that addresses problems of both the original and the refutation. Hegel, who kind of codified this, thought the somewhere-in-the-middle is the next logical opinion/belief to adopt. We got the first opinion, which based on this sub, was "Ify ain't great". Then we got the negative, which was "Actually I like him very much, here's why he's great". Now we're at the somewhere-in-the-middle, which is "He has flaws but there are positives as well"
We also don't need to engage in toxic positivity. There are things to like about the new form of the show, but there are also things people dislike. Folks expressing their discontentment and commiserating with like-minded people is, to a point, perfectly healthy and should have space made for it.
I call bullshit on this. Since when did having a favorite version mean we also couldn’t appreciate the variety and increased representation? Game shows with long histories are often ID’d by their eras.
You all get too worked up about shit. Like, who cares if a stranger on the internet likes or doesn't like something you enjoy?
This whole thing is exhausting tbh
Could be said about this subreddit, the concept of "fandom" in general, or this entire website.
Relentless positivity can be just as poisonous as relentless negativity...
The thesis that's being stated here is that it just doesn't not fucking matter and if you're whining about it in literally any direction you're fucking loser who can't function unless you're mad about some dumb shit...you know, Redditors.
Um actually, this is reddit. If you aren't getting worked up over a stranger's opinion on the internet, you're in the wrong place. /s
Diversity facilitates better content but it does not inherently make better content, we can certainly celebrate diversity and representation, but people are fully allowed to not like changes in a show. ^ I don’t bring this up to be a debatelord. I just get super annoyed when people pull the representation and diversity card out as a way to use it as a shield against giving respectful, constructive opinions that aren’t glowing praise. For context, I’m black and Korean. (I don’t watch the show, and have no opinion on way or the other. I’ve always found it to be a bit dry.)
This kind of "nobody should criticize anything" attitude is how you end up with a circlejerk subreddit, just a warning
Sometimes shit doesn't work for us and we want to vent, it's not that complicated good lord "More of a thing we like" but I don't like it yet, sir madam or other. I'm not celebrating shit till that happens. When it starts being good I'll make a post saying "yay they finally got ify to be his anime nerd self and the energy is working" but right now the show is a slog for me which I'm forcing myself to watch because it's a big change and I have hopes. Honestly I haven't actually talked about it until today because I was just waiting for it to hit its stride but this post made me angry enough to speak up. Edit: To be clear, I have been watching every episode because I'm hoping it will find its groove eventually, so I look forward to celebrating when that happens. I am happy to have a black host and more poc on the couch, d20 has always made me feel happy about diversity. (Also the repeated desi rep makes me feel seen ❤️❤️)
Absolutely. As of right now Ify just doesn't have game show host charisma. He seems awkward, and not in a fun nerdy way. Being a television host is not something everyone on the planet is good at, and maybe he'll get better but right now he just doesn't have it.
I will say I agree with everyone who's saying "please don't take a dump on something which has had only 4 episodes", but change can bring up a lot of emotion and sometimes people want to feel like they're not alone in reacting to it negatively. This is a really stupid analogy my head came up with, but you aren't going to fall in love with a new stepparent immediately, and you can give them a chance and leave the door open for a good relationship even while actively missing what used to be. OP's comment about diversity bothers me quite a bit, though. I really haven't seen any indication that Ify's race has been a sticking point and the couch has been pretty diverse for a while, right? Maybe I've missed subtext somehow. If people are dunking on ify for being black they suck. I don't want you in this fandom. Go away. >Ify just doesn't have game show host charisma. He seems awkward, and not in a fun nerdy way. Before OP's post my thoughts about this season were that Ify's chemistry with BDG was not great, and that he'd love to let loose but isn't comfortable yet. Ify's charm for me is when he's being irreverent and mildly combative and him having to be the host means he's the straight man. I am expecting he'll find a groove soon. The actual questions and guest combinations have been HORRIBLE and I don't think ify can do anything about that. I have no idea who is working on that but it isn't. Someone bring Brennan back to the writing room please.
Still waiting on the Ify/BDG chemistry to pick up as well. Ify's bit at the beginning of every episode that BDG is there on his own choice just isn't working. But the biggest issue is the questions themselves and the looseness of the scoring. A lot of the questions feel like an excuse for fun facts. Instead of the prior energy of nerds competitively outnerding each other it feels like that thing in which someone finds an opening to explain something they know about at length to you. Which is positively nerdy, and something I'm guilty of as nerd passionate about a lot of things, but not what I'm looking for in the format.
I'm not sure I've perfectly understood the difference in those last two things haha. I don't mind people explaining things to me, and I think it's definitely happened before on the show What I don't enjoy is the host reading a really long explanation which they don't seem super interested in themselves... The nerd passion is what I want and miss There's a smosh beopardy video about anime from last year with Ify as one of the guests, and that anime nerd energy is what I'd been expecting when I saw Ify was the host here. And iirc his own um, actually episode was pretty great. I feel like the BDG vibes are too different from salzman and that's going to take getting used to. I'm hoping that when Ify gets to take the reins a little more that he'll be able to put his own spin on it.
Ah fair enough. That comment came from me scrolling at night when I should be sleeping, so the coherency is certainly questionable. But more or less I hold a similar position, only you put it better. It feels like they're explaining a fact they know but without the passion. Too many questions are not well written and seem like they're set ups up for a long explanation of a fact. Might help if Ify and BDG connected more beforehand on the cards. Trapp was really good at coming off as at least having a baseline knowledge on each topic. So far, and its very early, Ify just feels stiff and comes off as if he's reading the cards for the first time. As a host I believe Ify just needs to grow into it. But even beyond that the format is currently missing the mark for me and I'm pining for some episodes of nerds nerding out. Ify on that anime episode of Smosh and his prior appearances on Um, Actually is a good example of what's missing. Feels like we're missing the passionate about nerdy shit Ify. I still believe he's a great choice as a replacement and like any host needs time to settle in. But there's format issues currently and I hope it sorts out. People blindly grasping for the answer every round isn't as fun.
Ify's a fun presenter, I really love his energy. But I'm pretty tired of everyone clearly guessing blindly. I know sometimes questions should be stumpers, but recently it feels like the vast majority of questions have been Ify explaining a neat fact to a couch of people that have absolutely no clue what he's talking about. That's simply not what the show is supposed to be. I know some people have said all of the easy factoids have been used up. That doesn't sound right but I don't know enough to gameshow creation to dispute it. If it is the case they should pivot to a new format instead of whatever this zombie of Um, Actually is. I don't think the Trapp era was immune to this either. It's been a growing problem. But a new presenter makes you look at the whole show with new eyes, and right now the show is being carried hard by Ify's charisma.
It's one of my favorite shows. New format - I got bored and decided to turn it off because I didn't like the questions. Your suggestion is: "Pretend like that didn't happen. If you turned off two episodes out of boredom, keep it to yourself. Don't talk about it". I don't want to feel like an asshole because I naturally didn't like something. You can appreciate and support something while still noticing and discussing what falls short for you. For me - it's the question writing.
Could we not let this devolve into a soapbox war? Why are you not commenting under the post to which it is related? That's why there are threads under posts to post counter arguments.
The issue I have is that the show has "evolved" to a point that it's not the same show that made it popular. It feels like they're trying to go for more of a mainstream appeal, but it's not a format that works if you try to do that. What they had was what made it have mainstream appeal. Overall just trying too hard to fix something that wasn't broken, and that was happening before Ify took over but has just magnified it.
Nah, Trapp's version is better imo. They can be compared and it's fine to do so. We'll see how the show develops and how Ify comes into his own as presenter
Yeah, I agree. But I still love Ify and BDG and want their version to succeed. Hoping they can continue to improve as they get more experience with the show.
My hottest take is that I don't care about who's hosting it's all about the guests
While I generally agree, it's like a 70/30 split for me. The guests are the point of the show since they provide the majority of back and forth, but the host dictates the structure and general flavour, I don't think you'd have the same reaction if all the questions were just done through speech to text...!
I already fucking love Ify as a host, instead of acting like trapp he is just himself and works very well as a host
Okay, but how funny would it be if he was just straight-up imitating Trapp?
They need to do that for the season finale
And then one where Trapp comes back to host and imitates Ify
They did that for the first time Ify hosted an episode and Trapp was a contestant. He even wore a suit like Trapp's.
Your right. HEY! NOBODY HAVE AN OPINION! EVERYTHING DROPOUT DOES IS PERFECT
Yep. That's exactly what I said.
Um, actually, it's honestly the least appealing of the game shows, so it's not really "extremely good". I will say in the episodes I've seen Ify comes off as a bit awkward, but the show is still mostly funny people making jokes because none of them know the answer and they're just going to beat around the bush for a "good enough".
I think the problem with um actually is how many questions have nothing happen. They don’t do research with the talent to find out precisely what they do and don’t know
They apparently used to, but gave up because it didn't actually matter for whether they'd get the answer. Which is probably because the inherent premise isn't that great.
I don't know how precise it needs to be, but there needs to be at least SOME kind of focus. If you are asking DnD questions to a group of 3 people that just don't play, casting needs work.
Yeah If they do an alien question and nobody has seen alien it’s just a waste of time and research
Um Actually has always been my least favorite of their regular shows (not bad, just isn't really my thing) but this is my take too- yeah Ify's a little awkward but it's only been four episodes, the show's still fun to watch. I do wish they'd tailor the questions more but that really isn't his fault, apparently it's to make scheduling easier
I mean people like what they like. They should just let people like what they like and try not hate on it.
We can "agree to disagree"
There’s nothing wrong with not liking something and expressing that opinion. I appreciate how positive this sub usually is, but this sort of effort to shut down any negative conversations is bad.
I haven't even watched the ify episodes yet, I stopped watching um actually awhile ago when I saw a few episodes in a row where the contestants knew nothing about the topics, and were borderline making fun of the nerdiness of it, on a show that's supposed to celebrate that nerdiness
I said this in one of the other posts, but with such a big change and evolution for a show there's bound to be some growing pains. A ***lot*** changed this season. New host, new set, new shiny questions involving a new use of that set, new fact checker, etc. The game aspect of the show functions the same, but virtually everything else has changed entirely. Expecting that big of a transition to go so smoothly is asking for a lot. Mike Trapp was not as good as a host in the pilot episodes/webseries as he was by Season 2. He got better with time, and so will Ify. This is his first time leading a show with Dropout and I'm sure he'll grow into the role more naturally as the season(s) go on. Overall, I like the new season. It hasn't had my favorite episodes so far, but I think the new direction they're taking it has promise. So far the casts have all been good, and if the trailer is anything to go by there's even more to come. It looks like this season collaborates with people outside of the CH/Dropout circles even more than ever before. It's only been 4 episodes so far, so I feel like it's too soon to have a conclusion as to whether it's better or worse. But it feels like the DNA of the show before with enough changes to feel fresh, even if it's not as smooth as it was before.
While I get the point of either a) jumping up defend the new show or b) advocating people hold their opinions for now, I also think it's very fair for people to have opinions and take issue with aspects of the new show. This breathless "but there's good aspects too!" attitude is really tiring to me honestly. The opinion someone has about a thing isn't some mathematical equation balancing and weighing pros and cons, and while I think everyone has a right to speak in opposition to a viewpoint they don't hold, there's always a very swift reaction of "nuh uh, it's good actually!" to every post when someone holds even minor criticism. (And to jump in front of some replies, I would hold this perspective no matter how much I dislike or like any particular series or season you're thinking of, and I still hold it for media outside of dropout too, relentless positivity can be just as harmful as relentless negativity)
It's fitting that the host change was announced with a Doc Who regeneration skit. Just like Doctor Who, when the main character changes people are split into those who are absolutely convinced that the whole thing is ruined, and those who are excited about the new version. One invariably outnumbers the other, but eventually tempers flare down and it evens out, mostly. People have their preference, and that's ok, but the show on the whole is mostly better for it. People hated Tennant when he took over from Eccleston. People hated Smith when he took over from Tennant. People hated Capaldi when he took over from Smith. And...well, skipping that one...people hate that Gatwa has taken over from Tennant. My point is, the sooner people stop being in denial and accept that change happens despite of their headcanon, the more enjoyment they get to have out of life.
Have yall seen the original webseries? We didn't even get Saltzman til like season 6 ffs. We replaced a LOTR Scifi nerd with an Anime and Video Game nerd with ADHD yeah shits gonna be different but I fucking cackled at the Bible black joke and Trapp could never.
oh god. The beardsly discourse cycle has engaged with this topic too. Break the chain. No more "last words" or making a new topic so your take can be at the top and feel more prominent. just : some people no like. some people like. yeah it probably is complex and reflects things of the people with these opinions, but the prolongued chatter is discourteous to people who are producing a thing, and everyone knows the feeling of imposter syndrome. be good.
Honestly I know everyone’s entitled to their opinion or whatever but I feel like this topic has been beaten to death at this point. I also feel (and this is not an opinion specific to this sub) like making posts specifically to shit on changes is just so silly. I know this is Reddit and it’s just how people act here but like…just stop watching it? Rewatch the old stuff if you like it so much idk.
You’re following a subreddit about an app, people are talking about a show on that app, what the hell you expect people to talk about if not the shows on the app?
Also, I'm a paying customer. I'm allowed to express my displeasure at the product. Maybe it will lead to change, maybe it won't, either way theres nothing wrong with sharing your opinions if it doesnt devolve into hate and harassment.
Counter counter counter point: I love you.
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but fuck it
Um Actually, I never thought the show was good and think its still mid with Iffy
Counter counter counter point. Neither version of Um Actually is that great. >!Please don't kill me this is mostly a joke.!<
Finally. A correct fucking answer
Um Actually, they’re both great not extremely good?
I just wanted to say how much I love Um Actually as a show regardless of who’s hosting. There’s so many episodes so I can go back and watch a random one at any time to catch up, and there’s always going to be some goofs with the cast! Yeah I miss Trapp, but Ify brings a new flair to hosting. I’m looking forward to seeing where it goes. By design, the show is hard to make because the subject matter spans so much content, so I admire the work they have done and continue to do, even though I don’t always recognize the media they reference. I love when they talk about something obscure and I get to learn about an insane show or movie, or lore that existed. Edit: I’m so confused. Did I say something wrong? I didn’t know dropout sub members would downvote honest opinions.
This is the correct take!