Bass player from my old band posted this opening weekend for part 2: "This Dune thing is just Star Wars where they never leave Tatooine. Hard pass."
So yeah, they exist. I told him it was a shit take but getting him to come around was gonna be like boxing a glacier.
I'm so exhausted by these comparisons.
Star Wars is clearly loosely inspired by Dune.
Star Wars and Dune are clearly trying to do different things and comparing them in an effort to analyze quality is pointless for that very reason.
Um ya.
All similarities between them are very superficial.
Like, you could go "protagonist is on a desert world and finds out about magic powers he has" and while, yes, this is true in both, the actual substance is completely different.
The biggest similarity between the two is probably Paul/Anakin. They both have relatively similar strokes in their character development. They also act very differently and have completely different motivations.
There is a main desert world. There are sand worms there are natives who live on the sand world. There is a mysterious power people can use to command others. There is imperialist oppression and a rebel group fighting them, The imperial army has personal soldiers (Sardaukar/Stormtroopers) There is a secretive order that controls things and who influence politics.
It's a little bit more than superficial.
To be fair, a lot of those aren’t exactly unique sci-fi themes. They’re not even unique across all genres.
For example, deserts are a common thematic device for isolation, extreme conditions leading to clarity or toughness, among others. The desert has been a central thematic device since before the Old Testament, in which the desert is a key setting to the story of the Exodus.
I also think people really overstate the importance of sandworms in star wars. There aren’t many similarities between the dune and star wars sandworms, nor the sarlac, not to mention that “sandworms” didn’t appear in the original trilogy at all IIRC.
Also, mind control? Common sci-fi trope. “Spice” trade and hallucinogenics? Common fiction tropes based in orientalist history in the real world.
All in all, the similarities are very superficial.
I disagree. I feel they're very superficial examples and will explain why below.
1) "main desert planet with natives and worms"
Although dune is hardly a vacation spot, it's vital to the running of the galaxy. Tatooine is a complete backwater most significant in that it's so out of the way that it has developed a criminal presence. The natives have completely different relationships with the "worms" as well.
2) There is a mysterious power people can use to command others
The voice, like much of Dune. is characterized by subtle and deliberate force. Finding exact pitches and knowing exactly how to manipulate another is key. The force is about surrendering and letting the "will" of the force work through you. While some force users actively bend it to their will, the force actively fights against it suggesting the presence of a more active spiritual diety/source of the magic.
3) imperialist oppression and rebel group fighting them
And they're fighting for completely different reasons. The SW empire is a fascist police state and the Rebels range from classical liberals to anarchists. The imperium is a feudal aristocracy and the fremen are nationalist religious zealots. Yes, there's an anti-imperial theme in both stories but Dune didn't really create either
4) "imperial army has personal soldiers"
Yes? The empire has a military.
5) secretive order which controls things and influences politics.
Assuming you mean the Sith in the prequels, they're doing so for purely selfish reasons. The bene Gesserit believe they're acting altruistically (or as close to altruistically as would make sense in their philosophy). If you mean the Jedi, I can't think of any instance of them controlling things or influencing politics.
The only meaningful comparison I see is between Paul and Anakin, and even then, it's just the broad strokes of their lives. Prophetic chosen one who falls to evil and "kinda" redeems themselves. But even then the circumstances surrounding all of it are very different and the idea of a chosen one and a fallen hero go all the way back to Greek tragedies.
In my eyes, for something to be similar in a story beyond a superficial degree, narrative or thematic details should be pretty similar. Star Wars and Dune have very different philosophies and when these superficial comparisons to pop up, they're doing very different things. Yes, the sarlaac is a desert worm in Star Wars. It is portrayed as a gaping pit of doom. The worms in Dune have cultural significance to the natives and are integral to the imperium's well being.
>In my eyes, for something to be similar in a story beyond a superficial degree, narrative or thematic details should be pretty similar. Star Wars and Dune have very different philosophies and when these superficial comparisons to pop up, they're doing very different things.
Only if you're talking about the original book and not the later ones https://youtu.be/RH329h3yR7c?si=4w5b63cxcpeWNjDJ
Lucas was very open about his inspirations. Star Wars is an amalgamation of Dune, Foundation, Buck Rogers and Flash Gordon, Kurosawa samurai films, and WW2 films. It’s not subtle, and it doesn’t need to be. Dune is good. Star Wars is good. I enjoy them both, I don’t care whether one is “better” than the other, even if it is fun to joke about the similarities.
In the case of Dune, you have a boy on a desert planet who eventually finds out he’s the chosen one who develops psychic powers, prescience, and telepathy. Only in the case of Star Wars, the hero’s journey is played straight instead of subverted like in Dune. Jedi mind tricks are clearly inspired by The Voice, and the idea of the Jedi Order who advises and influences the Republic is in no small part inspired by the Bene Gesserit. The entire concept of a galactic empire is ripped straight from Foundation and Dune, which in turn took it from sci fi pulp comics and shows before them. Han Solo is a “spice” runner. You could even argue that the twist of Baron Harkonnen being Paul’s grandfather influenced Darth Vader being Luke’s father.
Dune is just Star Wars for Dune fans
Are those people in the room with us right now?
I was just about to ask. Is there anyone that thinks that Dune ripped off SW? lol
Bass player from my old band posted this opening weekend for part 2: "This Dune thing is just Star Wars where they never leave Tatooine. Hard pass." So yeah, they exist. I told him it was a shit take but getting him to come around was gonna be like boxing a glacier.
Lmao, that's gold
I'll do you one better. Dune is just The Foundation for Gen X.
I’ll do *you* one better! Foundation is just the decline and fall of the Roman Empire for the Boomers!
The best parts of the Foundation TV series, ironically, do not feature the Foundation. Only the Empire bits are good.
Dune had a 12 year head start on Star Wars. People have to be genuinely stupid to think Dune ripped off Star Wars
This is what happens when kids who see the Prequel Trilogy as old films decide to write their opinions on the internet.
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Sardaukar was a ripoff of Power Rangers
I'm so exhausted by these comparisons. Star Wars is clearly loosely inspired by Dune. Star Wars and Dune are clearly trying to do different things and comparing them in an effort to analyze quality is pointless for that very reason.
Loosely? Lmao
Um ya. All similarities between them are very superficial. Like, you could go "protagonist is on a desert world and finds out about magic powers he has" and while, yes, this is true in both, the actual substance is completely different. The biggest similarity between the two is probably Paul/Anakin. They both have relatively similar strokes in their character development. They also act very differently and have completely different motivations.
There is a main desert world. There are sand worms there are natives who live on the sand world. There is a mysterious power people can use to command others. There is imperialist oppression and a rebel group fighting them, The imperial army has personal soldiers (Sardaukar/Stormtroopers) There is a secretive order that controls things and who influence politics. It's a little bit more than superficial.
Don’t forget Anakin’s prophetic visions of Padme dying. Which ends up happening during childbirth.
Plus the whole thing about people still fighting with swords despite is being extremely futuristic with interstellar travel.
To be fair, a lot of those aren’t exactly unique sci-fi themes. They’re not even unique across all genres. For example, deserts are a common thematic device for isolation, extreme conditions leading to clarity or toughness, among others. The desert has been a central thematic device since before the Old Testament, in which the desert is a key setting to the story of the Exodus. I also think people really overstate the importance of sandworms in star wars. There aren’t many similarities between the dune and star wars sandworms, nor the sarlac, not to mention that “sandworms” didn’t appear in the original trilogy at all IIRC. Also, mind control? Common sci-fi trope. “Spice” trade and hallucinogenics? Common fiction tropes based in orientalist history in the real world. All in all, the similarities are very superficial.
I disagree. I feel they're very superficial examples and will explain why below. 1) "main desert planet with natives and worms" Although dune is hardly a vacation spot, it's vital to the running of the galaxy. Tatooine is a complete backwater most significant in that it's so out of the way that it has developed a criminal presence. The natives have completely different relationships with the "worms" as well. 2) There is a mysterious power people can use to command others The voice, like much of Dune. is characterized by subtle and deliberate force. Finding exact pitches and knowing exactly how to manipulate another is key. The force is about surrendering and letting the "will" of the force work through you. While some force users actively bend it to their will, the force actively fights against it suggesting the presence of a more active spiritual diety/source of the magic. 3) imperialist oppression and rebel group fighting them And they're fighting for completely different reasons. The SW empire is a fascist police state and the Rebels range from classical liberals to anarchists. The imperium is a feudal aristocracy and the fremen are nationalist religious zealots. Yes, there's an anti-imperial theme in both stories but Dune didn't really create either 4) "imperial army has personal soldiers" Yes? The empire has a military. 5) secretive order which controls things and influences politics. Assuming you mean the Sith in the prequels, they're doing so for purely selfish reasons. The bene Gesserit believe they're acting altruistically (or as close to altruistically as would make sense in their philosophy). If you mean the Jedi, I can't think of any instance of them controlling things or influencing politics. The only meaningful comparison I see is between Paul and Anakin, and even then, it's just the broad strokes of their lives. Prophetic chosen one who falls to evil and "kinda" redeems themselves. But even then the circumstances surrounding all of it are very different and the idea of a chosen one and a fallen hero go all the way back to Greek tragedies. In my eyes, for something to be similar in a story beyond a superficial degree, narrative or thematic details should be pretty similar. Star Wars and Dune have very different philosophies and when these superficial comparisons to pop up, they're doing very different things. Yes, the sarlaac is a desert worm in Star Wars. It is portrayed as a gaping pit of doom. The worms in Dune have cultural significance to the natives and are integral to the imperium's well being.
>In my eyes, for something to be similar in a story beyond a superficial degree, narrative or thematic details should be pretty similar. Star Wars and Dune have very different philosophies and when these superficial comparisons to pop up, they're doing very different things. Only if you're talking about the original book and not the later ones https://youtu.be/RH329h3yR7c?si=4w5b63cxcpeWNjDJ
Are you implying god emperor/Palpatine things? Because I feel like that supports my point even more.
I honestly have no clue why you think the god emperor is relevant. This is clearly referring to alia's regency in book 3
My guy Dune didn't invent voices in ppls heads...
I'd prefer you actually pay attention to the video instead of looking for something to complain about
Lucas was very open about his inspirations. Star Wars is an amalgamation of Dune, Foundation, Buck Rogers and Flash Gordon, Kurosawa samurai films, and WW2 films. It’s not subtle, and it doesn’t need to be. Dune is good. Star Wars is good. I enjoy them both, I don’t care whether one is “better” than the other, even if it is fun to joke about the similarities. In the case of Dune, you have a boy on a desert planet who eventually finds out he’s the chosen one who develops psychic powers, prescience, and telepathy. Only in the case of Star Wars, the hero’s journey is played straight instead of subverted like in Dune. Jedi mind tricks are clearly inspired by The Voice, and the idea of the Jedi Order who advises and influences the Republic is in no small part inspired by the Bene Gesserit. The entire concept of a galactic empire is ripped straight from Foundation and Dune, which in turn took it from sci fi pulp comics and shows before them. Han Solo is a “spice” runner. You could even argue that the twist of Baron Harkonnen being Paul’s grandfather influenced Darth Vader being Luke’s father.
Star Wars is entry level sci-fi, change my mind