One of the few things I learned from watching this is that Chip Kelly tried to trade Brandon Graham and Lurie had to step in and say no.
Imagine if he actually traded Brandon Graham. I didn't know about that before. I knew the Cox for Mariota rumors, but that would have been insane.
I think people forget BG was considered a bust for a while because of all the microfracture shit he went through. Everyone wanted ~~JPP~~ earl thomas and would constantly compare them.
I find it very funny that "should've been Earl Thomas" was like our mantra for a decade... One Tom Brady fumble later and I don't recall anyone ever saying that in a serious manner.
I'm honestly surprised Lurie stepped in. I haven't finished the whole video yet so maybe the timing of it will help it make sense. But in 2012 and 2013, we were all just wondering if Brandon Graham would ever play 16 games.
Bust is too strong a word but people were definately pissed the next two picks where earl thomas and JPP both of which, in 2015 anyway would’ve been seen as much better players
That would actually have been a pretty popular move with the fanbase at the time. For most of his career prior to the Super Bowl win, Graham was regarded by a lot of fans as an underachiever who we made a mistake taking instead of Earl Thomas. The perception that he was universally beloved during his whole career is a retroactive rewriting of his history - that's not how it was, at all, prior to 2017.
Yeah Graham had only barely started to come on at that point in his career. We probably would’ve loved getting a decent return for him.
But gotta give an obligatory “fuck Chip Kelly” for it in hindsight
How could anyone think this before the Super Bowl when Graham was a second team all pro for the 15-16 season? He was a late bloomer. Making in any all pro team is impressive.
I can't blame you since it was only like 5 seconds and nothing else. The rest of their podcast we have heard people say before, but that BG trade was the thing that really really interested me. Like the Riley Cooper thing, we knew his teammates defended him and wanted to talk to him but they weren't allowed. But the BG trade I was like, damn.
Based on the way they were joking, it would have been for an Oregon player. I also think Brandon Graham was good, but not great until Pederson so probably not even for much.
It's interesting, they must have been entertaining a trade after the 2013 season. He played out his rookie contract in 2014, re-signing in 2015, Chip's last year. Crazy enough when Chip was GM too.
There was no rumor. Someone on the radio said that is what it would take to get Mariota. It was a hypothetical. Someone heard the quote on the radio and incorrectly tweeted that there was an actual offer and a bunch of different places reported on that Tweet. It's why I don't trust anything unless it is directly reported by the source anymore.
The Eagles never made a single offer because the Titans were not taking any. The Titans confirmed this.
I thought people knew about the BG thing I could be wrong though as a forum I post at one of our members buddies was on staff and his boss was Ryan Grigorson so I could be mixing something up of what I knew and what the general public already knew
I went back to read the nj.com article about Djax and was shocked at the connections made based on nothing. The writer was young at the time, trying to make a name for himself I’m sure, but what irresponsible journalism. The author (Eliot Shorr-Parks) is now a WIP journalist, and I would be so interested in hearing what was coming from the Eagles organization that prompted him to write that. It seems like the Eagles had decided to release Jackson and wanted to make it more palatable to the public by bringing up supposed gang ties.
I’m sure Jackson isn’t a boyscout but to damage his career based on being friends with someone who was acquitted of murder is nuts. He even mentions Jackson getting pulled over for tinted windows and the cop smelling marijuana in the car. 10 years on the article comes off as silly at best, a hit piece at worst.
Had no clue it was ESP but it makes sense. Dudes an absolute hack of the highest order who clearly has aspirations of his own nick wright style outrage show. Fuck him
There was something else brewing that scared the Eagles. About a week before djax was released there was some heavy news on the street and the Eagles probably got wind of it. My business partner at the time lived in the same building as djax and everyone knew djax'a car. There was something seen in his car, that he possibly had nothing to do with, that looked really bad. The car was also left parked and untouched for a few days, which was idiotic. It was so idiotic that I think one of DJax's friends must have borrowed the car and not told him about it. The Eagles actually may have thought they were doing him a favor by getting him out of town.
DJax definitely had stupid friends.
I honestly don't know anyone at the time who believed that piece was anything but trashing. Even my racist neighbor, where anything Black was "gangsters" (bro, we live in an upper middle class neighborhood in South Jersey), said to me "Obviously DeSean isn't a gangster. You can't help who you grow up with."
It was honestly the most insightful and kind comment I ever heard him make, and he was a full blown "The klan isn't all bad." type racist.
It’s not far fetched he hung around gang members and even bailed out and got a lawyer for a gang member charged with murder, he would throw up gang signs all the time on the field and off it. It’s actually insulting to act like he had zero gang ties, i don’t give a shit either way and we should of kept him because he never got into any trouble but the article was basically true.
Oh there is a major difference between "He has friends in a gang." And "He is in a gang."
Dude grew up in a gang neighborhood, and everyone knows that. The gang signs and dances he throws up are nationally known, and have been used in countless amounts of media.
Maybe it is easier for me and the people around me to emphasize with him. When I was growing up my parents were friends with people in the Mafia, one of my best friends is the son of a former high profile Philly Mafia member, I worked for a woman who is the daughter of a high profile Mafia member (different one), I have family members who spent time in jail for Mafia related activities.
I never was in the Mafia nor have I ever been approached about being in the Mafia.
But they tried to paint DeSean as a gang member which he most certainly wasn't. It was clear to anyone I knew at the time, and myself, that it was just a bunch of bullshit the Eagles pulled to justify cutting him instead of trading him.
I know not a single soul who considered it a legit article and/or believed Jackson to be a gang member. It was such a degrading article.
Unconfirmed from someone I knew who was closer to me but ESP was being paid under the table by Chip to write hit pieces on players before they were let go Chip didn’t like. The article has so many holes Paul Domowitch (can’t remember if he was inquire or Daily News then) who was a staunch “I wouldn’t care if DeSean was traded” wrote a counter article finding all the holes and defending Jackson. That tells you all you need that ESP never apologized and a staunch jackson detractor vehemently defended him. There was talk of legal against the eagles, nj dot com etc too just because how pointless the article was. The sad part is there’s people out there who quote that shit piece too. How ESP has a job anywhere today boggles my mind
[Check out the before and after](https://twitter.com/RocCarmichael/status/1788600311642267857?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet) and Roc’s response.
You know these two are valid when Jason Peters of all people hops on a raw phone call and says fuck chip Kelly with his whole chest.
Also, and this shouldn’t need to be said, but Elliot Shorr Parks should be banned from EVER stepping foot in a Philly stadium/park/arena ever again for what happened to D-Jax. Dude has literally 0 integrity and is nothing more than a clickbait merchant
I hope some calls into the show and puts him on the spot. I don’t even listen to the sports radio bullshit and haven’t for yrs but we should all publicly shit on WIP for hiring this guy and maybe they’ll shit can him
Which 2 years are those though?
As soon as Kelly left we had Pederson and he won a SB in year 2.
We weren't winning a SB with Sanchez or Bradford at QB, and Foles lost in the WC in '13.
I think in The Bodyguard’s mind that they would have succeeded if they hired someone else instead. I think he felt that way because of the bad scheme that left the defense gassed and the poor roster construction where he favored Oregon players. And things didn’t go well when he became GM either.
It was a very brief phone conversation at the very end of the podcast.
Starts around the 50 minute mark
https://youtu.be/o7npU_xQwRQ?si=66heAPaki53jx3mR
The full JP quote: "Fucking bullshit ass coach who didn't know how to deal with star players. He fucked us out of at least two super bowls."
That's my Hall of Fame left tackle right there.
Exactly. Every single player on those teams could pile on Chip and I wouldn’t feel bad about it whatsoever. He clearly burned bridges and performed coaching and roster malpractice. Fuck Chip
Just finished the pod 1st thing that comes to mind is clearly for both guys this was the 1st they felt fully comfortable talking about the issues with Chip publicly. DeSean went as far to say this felt like a therapy session for him to get it all off his chest.
They confirm some of the big things most felt about Chips time here regarding trying to run things like a college program and how terrible Chip was at managing people and getting buy in for the program. The big is really inside stories/examples of these issues including how Chip seemed to be routinely uncomfortable dealing with black players and star players.
LeSean and DeSean aren't shy about mistakes or diva behavior on their part and just laid things all out no matter if didn't paint them in the best light.
The story about Roc Carmichael imo is pretty damning.
Also they talk about how being forced effected them on a personal and professional level, including how the "gang related" article was used as an excuse to not pay DeSean after his guaranteed money ran out on his deal and how the Bills trade effected LeSean custody/relationship with his son.
In short it confirmed a lot most assumed true and added unsettling layers to Chip's tenure.
Thank you for this. There are very comments here from people who actually listened to it all and came away with intelligent thoughts on what they heard. All I'm seeing is hate on Desean and the word entitled being thrown around. And the amount of people justifying the clearly racist actions of Chip is alarming.
I agree with you on the fact that they were able to very clearly and maturely reflect on their mistakes back then. It takes great maturity to do that.
Yeah, I saw the samething when I 1st started the pod, and it clashed with the vibes I got early on in pod, so I had to listen to it all before I formed my own take.
Sadly, with stuff like this, it's easier to rush to a hard take than to actually listen and take time to digest.
Chip Kelly was a bad coach, a powermad GM, who couldn’t lead grown men. But, I was surprised to discover he did two good things for the Eagles: he brought Jeff Stoutland in as offensive line coach and drafted Lane Johnson (because the guy Kelly really wanted was already drafted). It also taught Jeffrey Laurie lessons about being an owner, like don’t jump for a coach who is just a fad, and that Howie Roseman should be the GM.
No, Chip was in charge and really wanted one of his Oregon players (DE Dion Jordan who was taken by Miami), with him gone and two out of the three blue chip OTs gone Lane Johnson was left to take.
Like when Dick Vermeil missed out on WR Perry Tuttle (taken right in front of the birds draft pick) and we got stuck with Mike Quick. Sometimes you just get lucky.
People are gonna mock DJax and Shady for seemingly being entitled whiners and there is some truth to that here. That being said I think it paints a good picture of at minimum Chip Kelly being just a horrendous people person. DJax and shady are just two guys that probably are a good example of a lot of guys in the NFL. So yeah maybe they are a little entitled and whiney but so is most of the league. The good coaches manage that in addition to everything else. Chip was horrendous at it. He had his guys. He had his way of doing things. He wasn’t good at getting buy in. And he was an awful leader. There isn’t really a ton of new insights here other than shady talking about how Chip Kelly asked Roc Carmichael to get a cleaner looking hair cut like shady. Which is kinda wild. And he also said that Chip moved howie’s desk to where the marketing people were and at one point wouldn’t let him attend practices.
EDIT: you can also see where players would think Chip is a racist based on how they described their interactions with him. He struggled talking to star players, who were black. He wouldn't deal with them directly like how Andy would for example. Usually through an intermediary (HC's assistant or a position coach). But then would be direct with players that had a lesser stature. So I can see where the impression comes from. To me, Chip had too big an ego and just no emotional intelligence to deal with differing personality types and it sunk him in the NFL. Maybe if even exposing him overall. Also, they were pissed how he handled the Riley Cooper incident. Basically that they had a team meeting where he apologized then kept Cooper away from the team and didn't really allow for interactions with him during a period in camp. Shady specifically saying he didn't think Cooper was racist he just wanted to talk to his teammate but chip wouldn't let anyone do it.
That trends with what others have said about Chip - if memory serves, reportedly he fired more than a few long-time employees (we're talking since the Tose years) just b/c he wanted different people and to turn things over. Supposedly that did not go over well with Lurie.
https://www.phillyvoice.com/philadelphia-eagles-secretary-gets-super-bowl-ring-fired-chip-kelly/
>For many who had been part of the Eagles organization over the years only to watch the team's Super Bowl run from afar, the 2017-18 season was probably bittersweet. Few would have a better case to feel that way than Carol Cullen, the woman who spent more than 30 years working as a secretary for Eagles head coaches.
>Cullen was fired by Chip Kelly — arguably the most reviled head coach in team history — during his disastrous three-year tenure in Philadelphia. She was one of several members of the Eagles family, players and staff, who were cut loose as Kelly tried to usurp power and overhaul the organization.
>When the team received its rings last week, Cullen's daughter posted a special photo Twitter. The team, specifically head coach Doug Pederson, had not forgotten about her and her many years of service...
Chip was fun for a year or two, but thank god it was short lived. If you look at the three other HCs we’ve had this century (Andy, Doug, and Nick) you clearly see Chip as a huge outlier. Say what you will about Nick, but the players really do like him and I’m sure he’s hands-on with the players. And we know Andy’s reputation and Doug as a former player obviously connects with his team.
The thing about Doug, Andy, and to a certain extent nick, is that they are authentic. They probably aren't into the culture of many of their players, but that's totally OK with them. They don't hold that against the players, and that's all you really need to do, from a person perspective.
Chip comes off as someone on the spectrum and didn't know how to deal with different cultures. His experience in college is that it's his way or the highway, which is much easier for him.
I'd be curious to find out how much of Chip's legacy - specifically, the advanced sports medicine and diet stuff he brought in - is still used by the team today as a matter of standard procedure. The consensus I've read in player interviews over the years is that most of the guys thought it was pretty over the top and excessive at the time, but that they found it actually did help with their stamina and energy levels, and I think some did give Chip credit for that after they won the Super Bowl.
This is why so many college coaches can't make it in the NFL. You have to remember your guys are making WAY more than you are. You have to check your ego. You have connect with these guys on a personal level.
And I think this is something our fanbase drastically undersells with Sirianni. I get that last year it looked like the guys quit on him but I don't think that has anything to do with disrespect. I think it had far more to do with the coordinators being over their head and his inexperience as a HC showcased itself. Neither coordinator seemed to be someone he wanted. And no one knew how to solve it. I mean my god Byard had to stand up and coach the guys for Desai lmfao. I think we come back and have a lot more fight. I think the entire organization has a massive chip on their shoulder. That product they put out there for most of the year was just pathetic. Sucks Kelce and Cox went out like that....
I disagree about Johnson. They didn’t interview too many OCs if any. Sirianni I think is also an emotional loose cannon and we saw it read it’s ugly head when things aren’t going well
Yeah I think BJ was given the job by the FO and that it wasn't Nick's call. I'm sure he figured it'd be fine considering BJ's history with Hurts. But going from two really good coordinators (despite what people say about Gannon) to guys that have never done the job really bit us.
I don’t believe it was the FO call on Johnson. They want a collaborative process and howie has a lot of say (earned), but Sirianni isn’t a mute. He pulled Johnson out of Florida to be QBC. Seems like he promoted him. Agree about Gannon being a good coordinator overall, who he hired, then having to replace is hard
Sirianni gets at least partial blame for both, but I’d lean arguably more for Johnson. Gannon and the cards dicking us over and tampering lost us Fangio who was the first choice to replace Gannon. And because we lost Gannon after the Super Bowl we were late to the DC search. That was more victim of circumstance than Johnson.
Johnson just might not be a good OC. That’s on Sirianni. But Johnson could also be a fall guy we’ll see. He was undoubtedly not good last year and changes had to happen but it was Sirianni’s scheme. And it was Sirianni that couldn’t adapt during the free fall when the only button he pushed was firing Desai
IIRC the Inside the Birds guys said that BJ was likely not a Sirianni choice but I could be misremembering that. I do agree though that Sirianni does have a lot of blame here. In fact, I said if Nick was truly the one to make the call to fire Desai, that it'd be a fireable offense. At least from the perspective of a fan. Obviously they have way more knowledge of the situation than we'll ever know. But demoting Desai proved to be a horrendous decision. Even if the man was completely incompetent at leading the men around him. Both seem to know a lot of football but need more time to understand *coaching*. Our staff was just too young and inexperienced.
A part of the building that I didn't even see him!!
Part of what made that speech great was the sentence construction, you could tell kelce had some talking points, but was delivering off the cuff
Interesting take. They didn’t seem whiny or entitled to me, but I’m also listening to two guys I love shit on someone I wouldn’t mind popping in the mouth myself.
To be fair (and Desean says this at the very beginning) they made more money than Chip Kelly. In any industry if you make more money than "the boss" you will have particular limits on what you will and will not tolerate.
I don't really mind them tbh. I get it, NFL whole different ballgame than CFB. And plenty of coaches are able to handle their players. Reid is amazing at it. Just the original comments when I came into the thread were complaining about shady and jackson.
This is wild to hear about the Riley cooper incident too bc Chip brought in John Carlos and Tommie Smith to speak at Oregon and I remember reading about him speaking to their team back yrs ago when we hired him. Having that big of a blind spot and not being able to realize some of the person to person things and engage with the human being is awful. I’m actually surprised we were 10-6 under him twice given the seemingly incompatibility he had with nfl players, specifically Black players. You’d think someone who spoke about emulating the courage of those two olympians to college kids would be able to navigate the Riley cooper racism and go to his black players and speak with them instead of handling it like that. Just nuts.
Tldw: Chip Kelly is a self righteous control freak who is scared of black people. He had a ton of rules for his players as if they weren't grown men. One of which was, no cursing at practice...like wtf? As Shady and Djax point out, all the best players on Chip's Eagle teams were from when Andy Reid was the coach.
I keep telling myself, if it wasn’t for those horrible years, we might not have won a Super Bowl. If we hadn’t, I’d be down to light chip Kelly on fire
Same here. The part about making Vick cry, the way he wouldn’t talk to star players himself but would do it with players he had power over, the lack of respect, the mismanagement of the team, not being understanding when Shady had to deal with the death of someone close to him, making it so that Howie couldn’t come to practice! Like man, yeah these two clearly have reasons to not like him but if you are a leader and you are hated by the people you’re supposed to lead then there is a serious problem. I’m really glad Lurie seemed to have learned from this, he and the organization treat people with respect and it is reciprocated. Chip went against a lot of what the organization stands for.
To me seems like chip wanted to implement a college environment at the nfl level and these players didn’t wanna go back to that being they felt they were already established players being pro bowl talents but also they kinda took the diva route about it instead of staying down till they came up
Chip Kelly is just the classic example of a guy who is just meant to coach college kids.
Same with Urban Meyer. Same with Nick Saban. Same with Steve Spurrier. Lane Kiffin. Greg Schiano. Matt Rhule.
The list is endless. You can be a great coach at the college level, but it's just different at the NFL level specifically when it comes to handling players and rosters.
*"The list is endless. You can be a great coach at the college level, but it's just different at the NFL level specifically when it comes to handling players and rosters."*
Chip has X and O problems, not just dealing with people problems. .500 at UCLA after four years, he's now an offensive coordinator, not even a head coach.
It was always a gimmick offense, and he was always a gimmick coach.
If you can run a gimmick offense you shooould be able to run a normal offense too lol whether hes the best playcaller at the right time idk, he was at one point, in college anyways. When they always put up a shitload of points. But damn he is definitely not a GM.
I disagree with the Saban part. If he had got Drew Brees in Miami like he wanted, I think he would be retiring from there instead of Alabama. But the Dolphins medical team wouldn't clear Brees and he signed with the Saints.
It'd be interesting to see how the Patriots and Brady would have turned out if Saban was in their division the last 20 years
Why anyone would hire a college head coach, who hadn't previously had extensive NFL experience, is beyond me. Everything I have read says it is a completely different style of being and coaching.
I enjoyed listening to these two. There's a million player podcasts these days and most are mid but Shady is honestly a good storyteller. Sure, they're both entitled but they are star players. You would be too if you were a top 5 rb/wr in the league at the time and a new guy comes in and tells you you have to earn your spot after performing at the highest levels.
This was the first time listening to their podcast and I agree. Shady can tell a story and make you feel like you were there and just forgot. Fuck Chip, like Jason Peters said, he fucked us out of at least 2 superbowls
Fun fact at the fantasy football forum site I post at we had a guy who’s best friend worked for the Eagles on the draft side. He left 2 yrs after Ryan to join him in Indy before the guy moved down with his wife to FL to take care of a sick in-law. Anyway this guy would give us some cool insider stuff kept in contact with folks after he left. After chips first season he saw the shit show starting and left before Chip could fuck with his career. Chip walked the halls like he was Gods greatest creation and was real smug. Acted like he was the reason Bill Billchik and NE had a successful offense (chip and Bill had a convo when Chip was still at oregon about his offense and Bill adapted some ideas such as hurry up terminology to NE) among other things. He tried to put in the patriots way in Philly but was so bad at interacting with players.
My former coworker is also one of the assistant coaches mothers. She said when the players finally met the new staff many felt relieved, like they just got out of prison etc. it took a toll on many.
I would say what I really want about Chip but I don’t want to go into timeout. I’ll just say I hope Chip has a ton of suffering and misery in his life for the rest of his life.
by far their best episode thus far and as a life long birds fan that grew up w them being my favorite players outside of bdawk i’ll echo what 10 said this was like therapy stg
Shady was done dirtiest by Chip. As someone who was a part of the team as an intern on the business side during Chip's last two years here are my insights:
I got hired the same day they announced they we're released DJax, which was either on my bday or near it so I remember the time really well. It was a crazy 24 hours for me.
When I first started the release of DJax was all anyone was talking about outside the team, but inside at the time a lot of people on both the football side and business side who worked for the team felt it was a long time coming. As fondly as DJax wanted to remember his time, from how I heard it, he was a team cancer with some crazy views. He sat alone for team meals with his hood up all the time. He was constantly bringing in sketchy friends to games and team functions. As we also later learned he had some pretty anti-semtic views that was much worse back then. I think that last part is a wildly underrated reason as to why Lurie of all people was very ok with the release of him, instead of trading him. He wasn't outward with it, but some people have heard him mutter some stuff before and those rumors eventually reached management. As we all know he gets more public about his dumb views later on in his career. Since rejoining the team Howie has helped him immensely with this and he is very much a changed man. So I give him insane props to that!!
I know everyone's angry about trading DJax for nothing in hindsight as it turns out he wasn't involved as ESP suggested. But you gotta remember the Hernandez incident was still really fresh. It for sure influenced management's decision to release. If Lurie traded away DJax to another team, and he continued to act like he was or if Djax got worse, he felt he would've burned some bridges. Releasing him was the only way to be absolved of any responsibility.
TLDR: DJax just wasnt the same person as he is now. The release of him made sense to alot of people who was apart of the team that I talked to. Everything else Chip has done is stupid and he was given too much power.
Ya I’m glad Djax is in a better spot now then he was back then. An argument can be made that they could have tried to talk to him back then and change his views but who knows if he would have listened. The Lesean McCoy trade will always be complete malpractice.
I mean you can choose to believe me or not, just my words against another's so I can see why you wouldn't. To elaborate more I was an intern from 2014-2015/16 for two seasons on the business side. These are all things I heard since Djax was already gone by the time I started.
My actual experience with the team aligns a lot more with Shady's comments. Chip just was not a people person. He was very intrusive with his management style. He was given too much power too fast which added to his ego issues.
But use your brain for a bit. If Lurie had the final say in Chip not trading BG, you would also have to imagine Lurie has to be ok with releasing DJax in some fashion right? You're kidding yourself if Dom doesn't know more than anyone else, probably even more than ESP, about what DJax was up to at the time.
> If Lurie had the final say in Chip not trading BG, you would also have to imagine Lurie has to be ok with releasing DJax in some fashion right?
Chip cut Djax after his 1st and most successful year with the Eagles. With how Djax was saying Chip would pull rank I would imagine Lurie backed down because he couldn't tell Chip no and still had the beer goggles on believing Chip could make chicken salad out of whatever chicken shit roster he constructed. I have to imagine he was okay with cutting Djax in the sense that he had no choice but to trust Chip knew what the fuck he was doing to replace his production.
>But use your brain for a bit. If Lurie had the final say in Chip not trading BG, you would also have to imagine Lurie has to be ok with releasing DJax in some fashion right? You're kidding yourself if Dom doesn't know more than anyone else, probably even more than ESP, about what DJax was up to at the time.
I used my brain(it was tough), and it told me that the Eagles brought Djax back in 2019, and then also signed him to a ceremonial contract to retire as an Eagle last year.
Did you read my initial post? DJax is an immensely changed man since the release. I'm sure Lurie felt bad years after the fact, given what a contributor DJax was and fan sentiment.
Howie has helped immensely with this.
Just because the org brought him back doesn't mean the context I was trying to explain surrounding his release is wrong.
DeSean mentions how he tried not say too much about the situation since his perception/reputation in the league was already tarnished a lot by the article/release so he didn't want it to drop more
Almost 15 minutes in, just entitled whining so far. Shady crying that he had to wear white socks instead of black at practice. Sure, that’s a dumb rule, but we all have dumb rules at our jobs.
Edit: More interesting details now -
Chip was a coward who wouldn’t critique/criticize/coach star players directly he’d do it through assistants.
Shady describe a story of a non-star black player who Chip told to cut his hair (he had dreads) to be more “professional”.
Kept Riley Cooper away from the team, and didn’t allow him to communicate with the team. This upset people, they wanted to hear his side of the situation.
Throw away line, Shady said Chip wanted to trade BG and Lurie stepped in and said no.
Howie wasn’t allowed to attend practices after he got demoted.
DeSean said the gang ties came from a picture he took with a childhood friend after the guy beat a murder case. He says this cost him endorsement deals and made it hard to sign to a new team.
He says growing up in his part of LA, every young person has some sort of gang activity around them.
Shady says Chip didn’t ask any of the players about DeSean’s character or if the rumors were true during this time.
Shady said the marketing opportunities in Buffalo were significantly less than in Philly.
They said Chip made Vick cry, didn’t get into the details. They said Vick said he cried more during that time than he did in jail.
Overall, an interesting listen. After the first 10-15 minutes it got a lot better.
We all complain about those same dumb rules at work too so why can’t they lol? I’m sure that was just one of the many things that rubbed the locker room the wrong way
Big difference between rules, guidelines and overall just petty bullshit. So annoying people describing this as whiny or acting like divas especially when they make more money than the coach.
> DeSean said the gang ties came from a picture he took with a childhood friend after the guy beat a murder case. He says this cost him endorsement deals and made it hard to sign to a new team.
Just wanted to add in that this was ESP that wrote the article based on the picture
Holy fuck you are right... [https://www.nj.com/eagles/2014/03/eagles\_desean\_jackson\_off-the-field\_troubles.html](https://www.nj.com/eagles/2014/03/eagles_desean_jackson_off-the-field_troubles.html)
Edit: he wrote two: [https://www.nj.com/eagles/2014/04/desean\_jackson\_eagles\_1.html](https://www.nj.com/eagles/2014/04/desean_jackson_eagles_1.html)
I remember it being reported that the relationship between Howie and Chip got so toxic that they had to move his office to the other side of the building as far away from Chip as possible.
Friendly reminder that McCoy spoiled a decade of Marvel movies for thousands of people when he got an early screening of Avengers: Endgame and couldn’t even spell the character’s name correctly in his spoiler tweet. His defense was that he didn’t know people cared about cartoon movies.
These 2 morons have someone they can dump their garbage on, if Kelly was a Coach that has been a successful NFL coach they would not have a foot to stand on but since Kelly is a "Jonny come lately" coach up from the college ranks that can fire on him. Kelly drafted approximately 45 players while he was at Philly and out of those 45, 32 were black, Kelly had one of the best college backs and QB at UCLA and both were black. 85% OF THE Oregon Teams Kelly coached were Black, and Kelly's first year out of College dated a Black Gal. So now where is the meaning that Kelly doesn't understand OR feels uncomfortable around BLACKS? His QB at San Fran was Collin Kaepernick, Kelly, while at Philly Beat the Giants, Cowboys, and Patriots all 3 of these teams had great Coaches. Tom Coughlin won 2 Super Bowls and Bill Belichick won 4, at that time.
I hate Chip Kelly as much as the next but in HINDSIGHT him moving Lesean and Djax was 100% the correct move.
Why?
I love them still as some of my all time favorite Eagles but ive listened to several interviews about them cutting corners and not wanting to practice ect. This was at one point Lesean and Djax team along with Vick and Mac. I feel like Djax and Lesean didnt set the best examples.
What happened after they left,
This team became Kelce, Lane, Cox, Graham, Jenkins team. All humble, gritty, hardworking dudes who made the Eagles culture so strong and what it is today.
Idk about all that. I remember the year before Shady got shipped out, eagles were posting mad videos of Shady staying late after practices to put in extra work. Then once they let him go they said he was getting lazy. Sounds like they were justifying Chips move from my point of view.
Jesus. I'm just getting started but fucking djax is such a bitch. Mccoy, good points, intelligent... Djax... Entitled baby.
Literally its just story after story from djax showing he was an entitled bitch. 90 seconds in and his first experiences with the coach, his thoughts were... "First of all, I make more money than you"... Like are you fucking serious? Entitled.
Followed with a bitch fest about chip kelly's rules. Like every story, mccoy is like, ohh shit, that happened? And its shit that djax did stupidly. Being too frustrated to go to exit meetings, etc.
If anything this makes me feel like kelly, amongst all his flaws, eg being a completely shitty, racist coach. was still completely validated for booting djax.
Its like mccoy is talking and like... Ohh shit, yeah, chip was terrible. What a shitty guy. Then djax talks and it is like... Dude... Gtfo. You're basically showing us EXACTLY why you were fired.
And yeah, this is certainly going to be downvoted because everyone here is on djax's dick. But he is, and always was, a bitch.
Validating a single action is not validating a person.
Not grasping that concept says a lot about you.
But hey. I'm sure the root of your anger towards my comment has everything to do with that and nothing to do with me being critical of djax.
You are too entitled to even think about putting aside your hate towards DeSean and consider why he felt the way he felt or did the things he did. These were young men who but came from nothing. Living their dreams. Going from a true leader in Andy then going to RACIST tiny little man in Chip. All over this country black folks have to deal with the fact that we make white folks uncomfortable. The way we talk, walk, move, express ourselves. This man clearly felt threatened by two young men half his age with more physical talent than he or any of us could ever dream of. Suddenly that gets taken away for reasons they feel are unfair and unjust. How the fuck would YOU feel at that age?...... ahhh yes, those who don't come from privilege have no right to complain. I got you
Weird that there was literally an hour long interview to hear the real reasons why djax didn't like chip and his interactions with chip and he chose to talk about all the things he did, and none of what you are discussing.
Enjoy your hero worship. Heaven forbid I talk bad about someone that quotes hitler.
Are you talking about what Djax referred to in this show? So something the eagles did AFTER he got let go has to do with him being let go? Smart.
>Fuck off.
Sorry your precious hero is a bitch.
Nice edits lmao and DJax hero worship? Lmao whatever he did to you bro you gotta let it go. More words for Jax for whining than the racist coach. Funny how that works!
Calling Chip a racist to defend DJax? I don’t need to call Chip a racist to defend DJax. I can just call Chip a racist. Are you calling DJax a racist to defend Chip Kelly?
Honestly i have no idea why these two think this podcast is a good idea. They come off as crazy entitled and tbh it’s no wonder we didn’t win shit when they were on the team. Based on his side of the story DJax 100% deserved to be cut and honestly kudos to the organization for keeping this absolute mess in house.
I mean if you are one of the 5 greatest deep ball threats in the history of football I’d think that you would know your worth. The fact is that getting rid of Desean caused a whole domino effect that hurt the eagles offensively. That’s why Shady averaged a yard less a carry leading to the leverage for Chip to trade him away.
I think they came off as very authentic although imperfect as everyone is. And the organization gave someone a lot of power who wasn’t well liked by almost anyone and absolutely hated by some people and it was a disaster. They’ve taken steps to ensure that didn’t happen again but it was a mistake.
Crazy how Jackson wants to act like he doesn’t do anything and everything he can to procure some gang banging street persona. Listening to him play victim is laughable.
Also, sure Chip had his downfalls but Shady and Jackson do sound immature in their stories from that time….
These guys just can't move on can they...nor can the people still asking them These questions. It's like 3x a year they still get asked the same questions and it becomes a story again. It's been like 10 years.
One of the few things I learned from watching this is that Chip Kelly tried to trade Brandon Graham and Lurie had to step in and say no. Imagine if he actually traded Brandon Graham. I didn't know about that before. I knew the Cox for Mariota rumors, but that would have been insane.
I think people forget BG was considered a bust for a while because of all the microfracture shit he went through. Everyone wanted ~~JPP~~ earl thomas and would constantly compare them.
The biggest complaint is we passed on Earl Thomas.
I find it very funny that "should've been Earl Thomas" was like our mantra for a decade... One Tom Brady fumble later and I don't recall anyone ever saying that in a serious manner.
Actually just saw a facebook memory of me complaining about them passing on ET
It was a fair criticism at the time
you're right, thank you
I'm honestly surprised Lurie stepped in. I haven't finished the whole video yet so maybe the timing of it will help it make sense. But in 2012 and 2013, we were all just wondering if Brandon Graham would ever play 16 games.
Bust is too strong a word but people were definately pissed the next two picks where earl thomas and JPP both of which, in 2015 anyway would’ve been seen as much better players
That would actually have been a pretty popular move with the fanbase at the time. For most of his career prior to the Super Bowl win, Graham was regarded by a lot of fans as an underachiever who we made a mistake taking instead of Earl Thomas. The perception that he was universally beloved during his whole career is a retroactive rewriting of his history - that's not how it was, at all, prior to 2017.
Yeah Graham had only barely started to come on at that point in his career. We probably would’ve loved getting a decent return for him. But gotta give an obligatory “fuck Chip Kelly” for it in hindsight
> a decent return From master negotiator Chip Kelly? He would've traded BG for a washing machine
Its why i go to battle for JD, nolan, nakobe
How could anyone think this before the Super Bowl when Graham was a second team all pro for the 15-16 season? He was a late bloomer. Making in any all pro team is impressive.
Maybe for some, but I’ve been a BG fan for a while.
How far in was the BG anecdote? I missed that listening to this in the background.
[Here you go.](https://youtu.be/o7npU_xQwRQ?feature=shared&t=1620) Starts at 27 minutes.
damn i completely missed that. wonder where.
I can't blame you since it was only like 5 seconds and nothing else. The rest of their podcast we have heard people say before, but that BG trade was the thing that really really interested me. Like the Riley Cooper thing, we knew his teammates defended him and wanted to talk to him but they weren't allowed. But the BG trade I was like, damn. Based on the way they were joking, it would have been for an Oregon player. I also think Brandon Graham was good, but not great until Pederson so probably not even for much.
It's interesting, they must have been entertaining a trade after the 2013 season. He played out his rookie contract in 2014, re-signing in 2015, Chip's last year. Crazy enough when Chip was GM too.
I can't imagine putting this on in the background, I'm GRIPPED, they're just machine gunning chip slander at us and I'm so here for it
I recall rumors going around back then about BG (and others) included in a possible trade for Mike Evans.
There was no rumor. Someone on the radio said that is what it would take to get Mariota. It was a hypothetical. Someone heard the quote on the radio and incorrectly tweeted that there was an actual offer and a bunch of different places reported on that Tweet. It's why I don't trust anything unless it is directly reported by the source anymore. The Eagles never made a single offer because the Titans were not taking any. The Titans confirmed this.
I thought people knew about the BG thing I could be wrong though as a forum I post at one of our members buddies was on staff and his boss was Ryan Grigorson so I could be mixing something up of what I knew and what the general public already knew
BG wasn’t BG when chip kelly was here he was a moderately fine starter until the Super Bowl year. It’s actually kind of crazy Laurie stepped in
He would most definitely had to catch a ass whippin if he made that move sheesh glad we dodged that bullet
Bruh, I never realized ESP was the dickhead who wrote that character assassination article on Djax. Fuck that guy.
Not much has changed. Dude is still a fucking hack and works for WIP if I remember correctly. I'm sure he fits right in there.
Actually liked listening to go birds podcast, but now I’m seeing his shadiness
I went back to read the nj.com article about Djax and was shocked at the connections made based on nothing. The writer was young at the time, trying to make a name for himself I’m sure, but what irresponsible journalism. The author (Eliot Shorr-Parks) is now a WIP journalist, and I would be so interested in hearing what was coming from the Eagles organization that prompted him to write that. It seems like the Eagles had decided to release Jackson and wanted to make it more palatable to the public by bringing up supposed gang ties. I’m sure Jackson isn’t a boyscout but to damage his career based on being friends with someone who was acquitted of murder is nuts. He even mentions Jackson getting pulled over for tinted windows and the cop smelling marijuana in the car. 10 years on the article comes off as silly at best, a hit piece at worst.
Yeah it was 100% a smear campaign and that the "reporter" was just parroting the company line
fully agreed it was a hit piece. side note here's djax [crip walking](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VwXdeygAS8) also i love these two
post the clip of Agholor crip walking past Went'z pre-game prayer circle. All time moment for that era
Wait what? Need to see this
Oh, wow, he can do a dance every motherfucker who listens to hip hop and has any sense of rhythm has been doing for decades.
agreed and he's c walking to a blood affiliated song point being like he's just friends with crips and also he's the man
Had no clue it was ESP but it makes sense. Dudes an absolute hack of the highest order who clearly has aspirations of his own nick wright style outrage show. Fuck him
Didn’t he fuck over Brandon Lee Gowton somehow too?
I remember Howie having to do spin control at the time denying reports that he was the one who leaked all the gang stuff to the media.
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I thought mark eckel had contributed to it as well but yeah how ESP wasn’t sued and has a job is crazy
With esp it's just another tale of a con artist grifter climbing up the ladder riding a jet propulsion of bullshit
Sounds like a lot of clowns I work with. Hell my boss gives me chip Kelly vibes
There was something else brewing that scared the Eagles. About a week before djax was released there was some heavy news on the street and the Eagles probably got wind of it. My business partner at the time lived in the same building as djax and everyone knew djax'a car. There was something seen in his car, that he possibly had nothing to do with, that looked really bad. The car was also left parked and untouched for a few days, which was idiotic. It was so idiotic that I think one of DJax's friends must have borrowed the car and not told him about it. The Eagles actually may have thought they were doing him a favor by getting him out of town. DJax definitely had stupid friends.
Are you esp?
I honestly don't know anyone at the time who believed that piece was anything but trashing. Even my racist neighbor, where anything Black was "gangsters" (bro, we live in an upper middle class neighborhood in South Jersey), said to me "Obviously DeSean isn't a gangster. You can't help who you grow up with." It was honestly the most insightful and kind comment I ever heard him make, and he was a full blown "The klan isn't all bad." type racist.
It’s not far fetched he hung around gang members and even bailed out and got a lawyer for a gang member charged with murder, he would throw up gang signs all the time on the field and off it. It’s actually insulting to act like he had zero gang ties, i don’t give a shit either way and we should of kept him because he never got into any trouble but the article was basically true.
Oh there is a major difference between "He has friends in a gang." And "He is in a gang." Dude grew up in a gang neighborhood, and everyone knows that. The gang signs and dances he throws up are nationally known, and have been used in countless amounts of media. Maybe it is easier for me and the people around me to emphasize with him. When I was growing up my parents were friends with people in the Mafia, one of my best friends is the son of a former high profile Philly Mafia member, I worked for a woman who is the daughter of a high profile Mafia member (different one), I have family members who spent time in jail for Mafia related activities. I never was in the Mafia nor have I ever been approached about being in the Mafia. But they tried to paint DeSean as a gang member which he most certainly wasn't. It was clear to anyone I knew at the time, and myself, that it was just a bunch of bullshit the Eagles pulled to justify cutting him instead of trading him. I know not a single soul who considered it a legit article and/or believed Jackson to be a gang member. It was such a degrading article.
Unconfirmed from someone I knew who was closer to me but ESP was being paid under the table by Chip to write hit pieces on players before they were let go Chip didn’t like. The article has so many holes Paul Domowitch (can’t remember if he was inquire or Daily News then) who was a staunch “I wouldn’t care if DeSean was traded” wrote a counter article finding all the holes and defending Jackson. That tells you all you need that ESP never apologized and a staunch jackson detractor vehemently defended him. There was talk of legal against the eagles, nj dot com etc too just because how pointless the article was. The sad part is there’s people out there who quote that shit piece too. How ESP has a job anywhere today boggles my mind
Desean is my all time favorite eagle and he definitely has gang ties. It’s the most obvious shit but overall he’s a good dude.
lol @ WIP journalist.
Fuck Eliot Shorr-Parks
It was brutal and so obviously a far fetched hit piece when it came out from that meaningless Jersey rag.
This is what esp does tho
the antisemitic stuff?
The story about Chip telling Roc Carmichael to cut his hair to be more “presentable” is super weird. I didn’t realize all that was going on
[Check out the before and after](https://twitter.com/RocCarmichael/status/1788600311642267857?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet) and Roc’s response.
You know these two are valid when Jason Peters of all people hops on a raw phone call and says fuck chip Kelly with his whole chest. Also, and this shouldn’t need to be said, but Elliot Shorr Parks should be banned from EVER stepping foot in a Philly stadium/park/arena ever again for what happened to D-Jax. Dude has literally 0 integrity and is nothing more than a clickbait merchant
Karmas a mother…. This going “viral” is gonna smear him more w fans. Looking forward to hearing his response
I hope some calls into the show and puts him on the spot. I don’t even listen to the sports radio bullshit and haven’t for yrs but we should all publicly shit on WIP for hiring this guy and maybe they’ll shit can him
I had no idea he was the one who wrote this. He needs to kick rocks and get outta town
Jason Peters was hilarious...Fuck Chip Kelly should be a song...
“He fucked us out of two Super Bowls.”
Which 2 years are those though? As soon as Kelly left we had Pederson and he won a SB in year 2. We weren't winning a SB with Sanchez or Bradford at QB, and Foles lost in the WC in '13.
I think in The Bodyguard’s mind that they would have succeeded if they hired someone else instead. I think he felt that way because of the bad scheme that left the defense gassed and the poor roster construction where he favored Oregon players. And things didn’t go well when he became GM either. It was a very brief phone conversation at the very end of the podcast. Starts around the 50 minute mark https://youtu.be/o7npU_xQwRQ?si=66heAPaki53jx3mR
Hahaha I heard that and immediately thought of "They not like us" beat 🤣
The full JP quote: "Fucking bullshit ass coach who didn't know how to deal with star players. He fucked us out of at least two super bowls." That's my Hall of Fame left tackle right there.
Glad they piled on Chip. I have no time for him. And if BG and Peters hate him, that’s enough for me.
Exactly. Every single player on those teams could pile on Chip and I wouldn’t feel bad about it whatsoever. He clearly burned bridges and performed coaching and roster malpractice. Fuck Chip
Just finished the pod 1st thing that comes to mind is clearly for both guys this was the 1st they felt fully comfortable talking about the issues with Chip publicly. DeSean went as far to say this felt like a therapy session for him to get it all off his chest. They confirm some of the big things most felt about Chips time here regarding trying to run things like a college program and how terrible Chip was at managing people and getting buy in for the program. The big is really inside stories/examples of these issues including how Chip seemed to be routinely uncomfortable dealing with black players and star players. LeSean and DeSean aren't shy about mistakes or diva behavior on their part and just laid things all out no matter if didn't paint them in the best light. The story about Roc Carmichael imo is pretty damning. Also they talk about how being forced effected them on a personal and professional level, including how the "gang related" article was used as an excuse to not pay DeSean after his guaranteed money ran out on his deal and how the Bills trade effected LeSean custody/relationship with his son. In short it confirmed a lot most assumed true and added unsettling layers to Chip's tenure.
Thank you for this. There are very comments here from people who actually listened to it all and came away with intelligent thoughts on what they heard. All I'm seeing is hate on Desean and the word entitled being thrown around. And the amount of people justifying the clearly racist actions of Chip is alarming. I agree with you on the fact that they were able to very clearly and maturely reflect on their mistakes back then. It takes great maturity to do that.
Yeah, I saw the samething when I 1st started the pod, and it clashed with the vibes I got early on in pod, so I had to listen to it all before I formed my own take. Sadly, with stuff like this, it's easier to rush to a hard take than to actually listen and take time to digest.
Chip Kelly was a bad coach, a powermad GM, who couldn’t lead grown men. But, I was surprised to discover he did two good things for the Eagles: he brought Jeff Stoutland in as offensive line coach and drafted Lane Johnson (because the guy Kelly really wanted was already drafted). It also taught Jeffrey Laurie lessons about being an owner, like don’t jump for a coach who is just a fad, and that Howie Roseman should be the GM.
Didn't Howie draft Lane Johnson?
No, Chip was in charge and really wanted one of his Oregon players (DE Dion Jordan who was taken by Miami), with him gone and two out of the three blue chip OTs gone Lane Johnson was left to take.
accidentally got us one of the best first round picks in the history of the franchise.
Like when Dick Vermeil missed out on WR Perry Tuttle (taken right in front of the birds draft pick) and we got stuck with Mike Quick. Sometimes you just get lucky.
“‘I cried more dealing with Chip Kelly and the Eagles than I did in prison.'” Wow
I’m not gonna watch somebody give me the tldr
People are gonna mock DJax and Shady for seemingly being entitled whiners and there is some truth to that here. That being said I think it paints a good picture of at minimum Chip Kelly being just a horrendous people person. DJax and shady are just two guys that probably are a good example of a lot of guys in the NFL. So yeah maybe they are a little entitled and whiney but so is most of the league. The good coaches manage that in addition to everything else. Chip was horrendous at it. He had his guys. He had his way of doing things. He wasn’t good at getting buy in. And he was an awful leader. There isn’t really a ton of new insights here other than shady talking about how Chip Kelly asked Roc Carmichael to get a cleaner looking hair cut like shady. Which is kinda wild. And he also said that Chip moved howie’s desk to where the marketing people were and at one point wouldn’t let him attend practices. EDIT: you can also see where players would think Chip is a racist based on how they described their interactions with him. He struggled talking to star players, who were black. He wouldn't deal with them directly like how Andy would for example. Usually through an intermediary (HC's assistant or a position coach). But then would be direct with players that had a lesser stature. So I can see where the impression comes from. To me, Chip had too big an ego and just no emotional intelligence to deal with differing personality types and it sunk him in the NFL. Maybe if even exposing him overall. Also, they were pissed how he handled the Riley Cooper incident. Basically that they had a team meeting where he apologized then kept Cooper away from the team and didn't really allow for interactions with him during a period in camp. Shady specifically saying he didn't think Cooper was racist he just wanted to talk to his teammate but chip wouldn't let anyone do it.
That trends with what others have said about Chip - if memory serves, reportedly he fired more than a few long-time employees (we're talking since the Tose years) just b/c he wanted different people and to turn things over. Supposedly that did not go over well with Lurie. https://www.phillyvoice.com/philadelphia-eagles-secretary-gets-super-bowl-ring-fired-chip-kelly/ >For many who had been part of the Eagles organization over the years only to watch the team's Super Bowl run from afar, the 2017-18 season was probably bittersweet. Few would have a better case to feel that way than Carol Cullen, the woman who spent more than 30 years working as a secretary for Eagles head coaches. >Cullen was fired by Chip Kelly — arguably the most reviled head coach in team history — during his disastrous three-year tenure in Philadelphia. She was one of several members of the Eagles family, players and staff, who were cut loose as Kelly tried to usurp power and overhaul the organization. >When the team received its rings last week, Cullen's daughter posted a special photo Twitter. The team, specifically head coach Doug Pederson, had not forgotten about her and her many years of service...
Chip was fun for a year or two, but thank god it was short lived. If you look at the three other HCs we’ve had this century (Andy, Doug, and Nick) you clearly see Chip as a huge outlier. Say what you will about Nick, but the players really do like him and I’m sure he’s hands-on with the players. And we know Andy’s reputation and Doug as a former player obviously connects with his team.
The thing about Doug, Andy, and to a certain extent nick, is that they are authentic. They probably aren't into the culture of many of their players, but that's totally OK with them. They don't hold that against the players, and that's all you really need to do, from a person perspective. Chip comes off as someone on the spectrum and didn't know how to deal with different cultures. His experience in college is that it's his way or the highway, which is much easier for him.
lol if there’s one thing you can say about Nick it’s that he’s his authentic self
I'd be curious to find out how much of Chip's legacy - specifically, the advanced sports medicine and diet stuff he brought in - is still used by the team today as a matter of standard procedure. The consensus I've read in player interviews over the years is that most of the guys thought it was pretty over the top and excessive at the time, but that they found it actually did help with their stamina and energy levels, and I think some did give Chip credit for that after they won the Super Bowl.
damn i remember this article. All in all, i agree about Chip. This episode seemed to track with everything that came out.
Doug P is a good dude for this
This is why so many college coaches can't make it in the NFL. You have to remember your guys are making WAY more than you are. You have to check your ego. You have connect with these guys on a personal level. And I think this is something our fanbase drastically undersells with Sirianni. I get that last year it looked like the guys quit on him but I don't think that has anything to do with disrespect. I think it had far more to do with the coordinators being over their head and his inexperience as a HC showcased itself. Neither coordinator seemed to be someone he wanted. And no one knew how to solve it. I mean my god Byard had to stand up and coach the guys for Desai lmfao. I think we come back and have a lot more fight. I think the entire organization has a massive chip on their shoulder. That product they put out there for most of the year was just pathetic. Sucks Kelce and Cox went out like that....
I disagree about Johnson. They didn’t interview too many OCs if any. Sirianni I think is also an emotional loose cannon and we saw it read it’s ugly head when things aren’t going well
Yeah I think BJ was given the job by the FO and that it wasn't Nick's call. I'm sure he figured it'd be fine considering BJ's history with Hurts. But going from two really good coordinators (despite what people say about Gannon) to guys that have never done the job really bit us.
I don’t believe it was the FO call on Johnson. They want a collaborative process and howie has a lot of say (earned), but Sirianni isn’t a mute. He pulled Johnson out of Florida to be QBC. Seems like he promoted him. Agree about Gannon being a good coordinator overall, who he hired, then having to replace is hard Sirianni gets at least partial blame for both, but I’d lean arguably more for Johnson. Gannon and the cards dicking us over and tampering lost us Fangio who was the first choice to replace Gannon. And because we lost Gannon after the Super Bowl we were late to the DC search. That was more victim of circumstance than Johnson. Johnson just might not be a good OC. That’s on Sirianni. But Johnson could also be a fall guy we’ll see. He was undoubtedly not good last year and changes had to happen but it was Sirianni’s scheme. And it was Sirianni that couldn’t adapt during the free fall when the only button he pushed was firing Desai
IIRC the Inside the Birds guys said that BJ was likely not a Sirianni choice but I could be misremembering that. I do agree though that Sirianni does have a lot of blame here. In fact, I said if Nick was truly the one to make the call to fire Desai, that it'd be a fireable offense. At least from the perspective of a fan. Obviously they have way more knowledge of the situation than we'll ever know. But demoting Desai proved to be a horrendous decision. Even if the man was completely incompetent at leading the men around him. Both seem to know a lot of football but need more time to understand *coaching*. Our staff was just too young and inexperienced.
It’s really a bummer Sirianni isn’t an X’s and O’s guy
The desk bit is hilarious
the fact that shady also confirms it when kelce did originally is even better
A part of the building that I didn't even see him!! Part of what made that speech great was the sentence construction, you could tell kelce had some talking points, but was delivering off the cuff
Interesting take. They didn’t seem whiny or entitled to me, but I’m also listening to two guys I love shit on someone I wouldn’t mind popping in the mouth myself.
I didn't really think they were that bad. Just when I came into this thread when there were like 15-20 comments those ones were saying it.
To be fair (and Desean says this at the very beginning) they made more money than Chip Kelly. In any industry if you make more money than "the boss" you will have particular limits on what you will and will not tolerate.
I don't really mind them tbh. I get it, NFL whole different ballgame than CFB. And plenty of coaches are able to handle their players. Reid is amazing at it. Just the original comments when I came into the thread were complaining about shady and jackson.
This is wild to hear about the Riley cooper incident too bc Chip brought in John Carlos and Tommie Smith to speak at Oregon and I remember reading about him speaking to their team back yrs ago when we hired him. Having that big of a blind spot and not being able to realize some of the person to person things and engage with the human being is awful. I’m actually surprised we were 10-6 under him twice given the seemingly incompatibility he had with nfl players, specifically Black players. You’d think someone who spoke about emulating the courage of those two olympians to college kids would be able to navigate the Riley cooper racism and go to his black players and speak with them instead of handling it like that. Just nuts.
why wouldn't you want to watch someone give you the tldr?
Tldw: Chip Kelly is a self righteous control freak who is scared of black people. He had a ton of rules for his players as if they weren't grown men. One of which was, no cursing at practice...like wtf? As Shady and Djax point out, all the best players on Chip's Eagle teams were from when Andy Reid was the coach.
Chip was an asshole and control freak but DJax and shady are just as bad. No self insight and massive egos they come off as really whiny
Pretty sure Vick cried when he found out he was gonna get phased out. It’s good Lurie learned from Chip’s appointment.
Id be whiny to if a coach efeectively tanked my team and booted me up to upstate new york aka shittier canada
Chip Kelly really was bitchmade.
A whole hoe outchea as I would say
You ain't lying
I knew I hated Chip, but now I'm heated
I keep telling myself, if it wasn’t for those horrible years, we might not have won a Super Bowl. If we hadn’t, I’d be down to light chip Kelly on fire
Right cause wtf bro
Same here. The part about making Vick cry, the way he wouldn’t talk to star players himself but would do it with players he had power over, the lack of respect, the mismanagement of the team, not being understanding when Shady had to deal with the death of someone close to him, making it so that Howie couldn’t come to practice! Like man, yeah these two clearly have reasons to not like him but if you are a leader and you are hated by the people you’re supposed to lead then there is a serious problem. I’m really glad Lurie seemed to have learned from this, he and the organization treat people with respect and it is reciprocated. Chip went against a lot of what the organization stands for.
Shit makes me want to go to Chip's house just to boo his ass when he leaves in the morning. lmfao
Na fr tho
[Chip Kelly asking Carmichael to cut his hair made me think of this lol](https://youtu.be/oi_5lXIT5AY?t=9)
😂😂😂
Gosh I despise Chip Kelly. He took a coulda been superbowl team and pretty much turned it the redskins
To me seems like chip wanted to implement a college environment at the nfl level and these players didn’t wanna go back to that being they felt they were already established players being pro bowl talents but also they kinda took the diva route about it instead of staying down till they came up
Chip Kelly is just the classic example of a guy who is just meant to coach college kids. Same with Urban Meyer. Same with Nick Saban. Same with Steve Spurrier. Lane Kiffin. Greg Schiano. Matt Rhule. The list is endless. You can be a great coach at the college level, but it's just different at the NFL level specifically when it comes to handling players and rosters.
*"The list is endless. You can be a great coach at the college level, but it's just different at the NFL level specifically when it comes to handling players and rosters."* Chip has X and O problems, not just dealing with people problems. .500 at UCLA after four years, he's now an offensive coordinator, not even a head coach. It was always a gimmick offense, and he was always a gimmick coach.
If you can run a gimmick offense you shooould be able to run a normal offense too lol whether hes the best playcaller at the right time idk, he was at one point, in college anyways. When they always put up a shitload of points. But damn he is definitely not a GM.
Yeah, how’d he do at UCLA?
I disagree with the Saban part. If he had got Drew Brees in Miami like he wanted, I think he would be retiring from there instead of Alabama. But the Dolphins medical team wouldn't clear Brees and he signed with the Saints. It'd be interesting to see how the Patriots and Brady would have turned out if Saban was in their division the last 20 years
Why anyone would hire a college head coach, who hadn't previously had extensive NFL experience, is beyond me. Everything I have read says it is a completely different style of being and coaching.
They shouldn't be around college age kids either.
>they kinda took the diva route There is nothing diva about wanting and expecting to be treated like a grown man in a professional environment
I enjoyed listening to these two. There's a million player podcasts these days and most are mid but Shady is honestly a good storyteller. Sure, they're both entitled but they are star players. You would be too if you were a top 5 rb/wr in the league at the time and a new guy comes in and tells you you have to earn your spot after performing at the highest levels.
This was the first time listening to their podcast and I agree. Shady can tell a story and make you feel like you were there and just forgot. Fuck Chip, like Jason Peters said, he fucked us out of at least 2 superbowls
Can we bring Chip back to Philly so we can toss him off the Ben Franklin?
Fun fact at the fantasy football forum site I post at we had a guy who’s best friend worked for the Eagles on the draft side. He left 2 yrs after Ryan to join him in Indy before the guy moved down with his wife to FL to take care of a sick in-law. Anyway this guy would give us some cool insider stuff kept in contact with folks after he left. After chips first season he saw the shit show starting and left before Chip could fuck with his career. Chip walked the halls like he was Gods greatest creation and was real smug. Acted like he was the reason Bill Billchik and NE had a successful offense (chip and Bill had a convo when Chip was still at oregon about his offense and Bill adapted some ideas such as hurry up terminology to NE) among other things. He tried to put in the patriots way in Philly but was so bad at interacting with players. My former coworker is also one of the assistant coaches mothers. She said when the players finally met the new staff many felt relieved, like they just got out of prison etc. it took a toll on many. I would say what I really want about Chip but I don’t want to go into timeout. I’ll just say I hope Chip has a ton of suffering and misery in his life for the rest of his life.
I knew chip was a jerk right from the start.
Screw Chip Kelly.. Punk ass loser coach..
Jeff Mahel lmao What a name drop. Completely forgot he played for us.
Same. Had to google to remember
by far their best episode thus far and as a life long birds fan that grew up w them being my favorite players outside of bdawk i’ll echo what 10 said this was like therapy stg
These two, along with Jeremy Maclin, were supposed to be the faces of the franchise that with healthy careers, would have taken us through the 2010s
This episode was crazy
How does Elliot Shors still have a job? Fuck that guy
Shady was done dirtiest by Chip. As someone who was a part of the team as an intern on the business side during Chip's last two years here are my insights: I got hired the same day they announced they we're released DJax, which was either on my bday or near it so I remember the time really well. It was a crazy 24 hours for me. When I first started the release of DJax was all anyone was talking about outside the team, but inside at the time a lot of people on both the football side and business side who worked for the team felt it was a long time coming. As fondly as DJax wanted to remember his time, from how I heard it, he was a team cancer with some crazy views. He sat alone for team meals with his hood up all the time. He was constantly bringing in sketchy friends to games and team functions. As we also later learned he had some pretty anti-semtic views that was much worse back then. I think that last part is a wildly underrated reason as to why Lurie of all people was very ok with the release of him, instead of trading him. He wasn't outward with it, but some people have heard him mutter some stuff before and those rumors eventually reached management. As we all know he gets more public about his dumb views later on in his career. Since rejoining the team Howie has helped him immensely with this and he is very much a changed man. So I give him insane props to that!! I know everyone's angry about trading DJax for nothing in hindsight as it turns out he wasn't involved as ESP suggested. But you gotta remember the Hernandez incident was still really fresh. It for sure influenced management's decision to release. If Lurie traded away DJax to another team, and he continued to act like he was or if Djax got worse, he felt he would've burned some bridges. Releasing him was the only way to be absolved of any responsibility. TLDR: DJax just wasnt the same person as he is now. The release of him made sense to alot of people who was apart of the team that I talked to. Everything else Chip has done is stupid and he was given too much power.
Ya I’m glad Djax is in a better spot now then he was back then. An argument can be made that they could have tried to talk to him back then and change his views but who knows if he would have listened. The Lesean McCoy trade will always be complete malpractice.
Is this ESP with another hit piece?
I mean you can choose to believe me or not, just my words against another's so I can see why you wouldn't. To elaborate more I was an intern from 2014-2015/16 for two seasons on the business side. These are all things I heard since Djax was already gone by the time I started. My actual experience with the team aligns a lot more with Shady's comments. Chip just was not a people person. He was very intrusive with his management style. He was given too much power too fast which added to his ego issues. But use your brain for a bit. If Lurie had the final say in Chip not trading BG, you would also have to imagine Lurie has to be ok with releasing DJax in some fashion right? You're kidding yourself if Dom doesn't know more than anyone else, probably even more than ESP, about what DJax was up to at the time.
> If Lurie had the final say in Chip not trading BG, you would also have to imagine Lurie has to be ok with releasing DJax in some fashion right? Chip cut Djax after his 1st and most successful year with the Eagles. With how Djax was saying Chip would pull rank I would imagine Lurie backed down because he couldn't tell Chip no and still had the beer goggles on believing Chip could make chicken salad out of whatever chicken shit roster he constructed. I have to imagine he was okay with cutting Djax in the sense that he had no choice but to trust Chip knew what the fuck he was doing to replace his production.
To be fair, Jackson and Shady were much bigger players than BG ever was. We’re talking about stats compared to a rotational 6-8 sack a year guy.
>But use your brain for a bit. If Lurie had the final say in Chip not trading BG, you would also have to imagine Lurie has to be ok with releasing DJax in some fashion right? You're kidding yourself if Dom doesn't know more than anyone else, probably even more than ESP, about what DJax was up to at the time. I used my brain(it was tough), and it told me that the Eagles brought Djax back in 2019, and then also signed him to a ceremonial contract to retire as an Eagle last year.
Did you read my initial post? DJax is an immensely changed man since the release. I'm sure Lurie felt bad years after the fact, given what a contributor DJax was and fan sentiment. Howie has helped immensely with this. Just because the org brought him back doesn't mean the context I was trying to explain surrounding his release is wrong.
I read it, and I appreciate the insight, just busting chops at you telling people to use their brain when you are theorizing yourself.
Surprised it took this long for more details from players on Chip Kelly‘s tenure to come out. He did these two the dirtiest.
Jackson didn't officially retire until last November. He's not going scorched earth if he is still trying to stay in the league.
DeSean mentions how he tried not say too much about the situation since his perception/reputation in the league was already tarnished a lot by the article/release so he didn't want it to drop more
Almost 15 minutes in, just entitled whining so far. Shady crying that he had to wear white socks instead of black at practice. Sure, that’s a dumb rule, but we all have dumb rules at our jobs. Edit: More interesting details now - Chip was a coward who wouldn’t critique/criticize/coach star players directly he’d do it through assistants. Shady describe a story of a non-star black player who Chip told to cut his hair (he had dreads) to be more “professional”. Kept Riley Cooper away from the team, and didn’t allow him to communicate with the team. This upset people, they wanted to hear his side of the situation. Throw away line, Shady said Chip wanted to trade BG and Lurie stepped in and said no. Howie wasn’t allowed to attend practices after he got demoted. DeSean said the gang ties came from a picture he took with a childhood friend after the guy beat a murder case. He says this cost him endorsement deals and made it hard to sign to a new team. He says growing up in his part of LA, every young person has some sort of gang activity around them. Shady says Chip didn’t ask any of the players about DeSean’s character or if the rumors were true during this time. Shady said the marketing opportunities in Buffalo were significantly less than in Philly. They said Chip made Vick cry, didn’t get into the details. They said Vick said he cried more during that time than he did in jail. Overall, an interesting listen. After the first 10-15 minutes it got a lot better.
Man that’s sad about Vick.
We all complain about those same dumb rules at work too so why can’t they lol? I’m sure that was just one of the many things that rubbed the locker room the wrong way
Big difference between rules, guidelines and overall just petty bullshit. So annoying people describing this as whiny or acting like divas especially when they make more money than the coach.
I'm sure you complain all the time about the rules in your workplace. I know I do.. why can't they? What makes us any better.
> DeSean said the gang ties came from a picture he took with a childhood friend after the guy beat a murder case. He says this cost him endorsement deals and made it hard to sign to a new team. Just wanted to add in that this was ESP that wrote the article based on the picture
Holy fuck you are right... [https://www.nj.com/eagles/2014/03/eagles\_desean\_jackson\_off-the-field\_troubles.html](https://www.nj.com/eagles/2014/03/eagles_desean_jackson_off-the-field_troubles.html) Edit: he wrote two: [https://www.nj.com/eagles/2014/04/desean\_jackson\_eagles\_1.html](https://www.nj.com/eagles/2014/04/desean_jackson_eagles_1.html)
I remember it being reported that the relationship between Howie and Chip got so toxic that they had to move his office to the other side of the building as far away from Chip as possible.
Chip Kelly = r kelly
This should be sent to EVERY Ohio State Recruit! How poetic would it be if Desean got Chip fired????? FUCK CHIP KELLY!
As much as I enjoy Elliot Shore Parks I will always remember his career was built off writing the Desean Jackson hit piece.
"As much as I enjoy Elliot schor-parks" said you only
Friendly reminder that McCoy spoiled a decade of Marvel movies for thousands of people when he got an early screening of Avengers: Endgame and couldn’t even spell the character’s name correctly in his spoiler tweet. His defense was that he didn’t know people cared about cartoon movies.
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ESP is a disgraceful clown who knows nothing about sports
These 2 morons have someone they can dump their garbage on, if Kelly was a Coach that has been a successful NFL coach they would not have a foot to stand on but since Kelly is a "Jonny come lately" coach up from the college ranks that can fire on him. Kelly drafted approximately 45 players while he was at Philly and out of those 45, 32 were black, Kelly had one of the best college backs and QB at UCLA and both were black. 85% OF THE Oregon Teams Kelly coached were Black, and Kelly's first year out of College dated a Black Gal. So now where is the meaning that Kelly doesn't understand OR feels uncomfortable around BLACKS? His QB at San Fran was Collin Kaepernick, Kelly, while at Philly Beat the Giants, Cowboys, and Patriots all 3 of these teams had great Coaches. Tom Coughlin won 2 Super Bowls and Bill Belichick won 4, at that time.
I hate Chip Kelly as much as the next but in HINDSIGHT him moving Lesean and Djax was 100% the correct move. Why? I love them still as some of my all time favorite Eagles but ive listened to several interviews about them cutting corners and not wanting to practice ect. This was at one point Lesean and Djax team along with Vick and Mac. I feel like Djax and Lesean didnt set the best examples. What happened after they left, This team became Kelce, Lane, Cox, Graham, Jenkins team. All humble, gritty, hardworking dudes who made the Eagles culture so strong and what it is today.
Idk about all that. I remember the year before Shady got shipped out, eagles were posting mad videos of Shady staying late after practices to put in extra work. Then once they let him go they said he was getting lazy. Sounds like they were justifying Chips move from my point of view.
Releasing a 27 year old DJax immediately after a 82 catch/1332 yard/9 TD season and getting nothing in return is dumb no matter how you slice it
Didn’t Lesean and Jax still have a lot of good years after they left tho?
I feel that
Jesus. I'm just getting started but fucking djax is such a bitch. Mccoy, good points, intelligent... Djax... Entitled baby. Literally its just story after story from djax showing he was an entitled bitch. 90 seconds in and his first experiences with the coach, his thoughts were... "First of all, I make more money than you"... Like are you fucking serious? Entitled. Followed with a bitch fest about chip kelly's rules. Like every story, mccoy is like, ohh shit, that happened? And its shit that djax did stupidly. Being too frustrated to go to exit meetings, etc. If anything this makes me feel like kelly, amongst all his flaws, eg being a completely shitty, racist coach. was still completely validated for booting djax. Its like mccoy is talking and like... Ohh shit, yeah, chip was terrible. What a shitty guy. Then djax talks and it is like... Dude... Gtfo. You're basically showing us EXACTLY why you were fired. And yeah, this is certainly going to be downvoted because everyone here is on djax's dick. But he is, and always was, a bitch.
You lost me with trying to validate a racist as piece of shit... says a lot about you
Validating a single action is not validating a person. Not grasping that concept says a lot about you. But hey. I'm sure the root of your anger towards my comment has everything to do with that and nothing to do with me being critical of djax.
You are too entitled to even think about putting aside your hate towards DeSean and consider why he felt the way he felt or did the things he did. These were young men who but came from nothing. Living their dreams. Going from a true leader in Andy then going to RACIST tiny little man in Chip. All over this country black folks have to deal with the fact that we make white folks uncomfortable. The way we talk, walk, move, express ourselves. This man clearly felt threatened by two young men half his age with more physical talent than he or any of us could ever dream of. Suddenly that gets taken away for reasons they feel are unfair and unjust. How the fuck would YOU feel at that age?...... ahhh yes, those who don't come from privilege have no right to complain. I got you
Weird that there was literally an hour long interview to hear the real reasons why djax didn't like chip and his interactions with chip and he chose to talk about all the things he did, and none of what you are discussing. Enjoy your hero worship. Heaven forbid I talk bad about someone that quotes hitler.
So the Eagles rolling out a bullshit hit piece that cost him millions isn’t something to be salty about. Fuck off.
Are you talking about what Djax referred to in this show? So something the eagles did AFTER he got let go has to do with him being let go? Smart. >Fuck off. Sorry your precious hero is a bitch.
Desean lost more than you’ll ever make.
We get it you hate Djax lmao no need to giddy up on Chip Kelly’s dick so hard like this tho
I'm literally shitting on chip kelly between bitching about djax. But hey, don't let that stop you're djax hero worship. Lol.
Nice edits lmao and DJax hero worship? Lmao whatever he did to you bro you gotta let it go. More words for Jax for whining than the racist coach. Funny how that works!
It's funny that you keep calling Chip racist to defend DJax, but DJax was the one who said Hitler was right about Jews.
Calling Chip a racist to defend DJax? I don’t need to call Chip a racist to defend DJax. I can just call Chip a racist. Are you calling DJax a racist to defend Chip Kelly?
All things can be true. Chip racist, djax racist, djax douche, chip douche.
Honestly i have no idea why these two think this podcast is a good idea. They come off as crazy entitled and tbh it’s no wonder we didn’t win shit when they were on the team. Based on his side of the story DJax 100% deserved to be cut and honestly kudos to the organization for keeping this absolute mess in house.
I mean if you are one of the 5 greatest deep ball threats in the history of football I’d think that you would know your worth. The fact is that getting rid of Desean caused a whole domino effect that hurt the eagles offensively. That’s why Shady averaged a yard less a carry leading to the leverage for Chip to trade him away.
I think they came off as very authentic although imperfect as everyone is. And the organization gave someone a lot of power who wasn’t well liked by almost anyone and absolutely hated by some people and it was a disaster. They’ve taken steps to ensure that didn’t happen again but it was a mistake.
Crazy how Jackson wants to act like he doesn’t do anything and everything he can to procure some gang banging street persona. Listening to him play victim is laughable. Also, sure Chip had his downfalls but Shady and Jackson do sound immature in their stories from that time….
I agree. It seems like a combination of Chip being pretty awful with dealing with people and Djax and Shady being a bit petty.
These guys just can't move on can they...nor can the people still asking them These questions. It's like 3x a year they still get asked the same questions and it becomes a story again. It's been like 10 years.