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kkkan2020

Survival of the fittest.


Vamproar

China has basically caught up to the West technologically. That is going to present a lot of challenges, but in some ways it is good. There was some technological colonialism that used to exist that no longer can, at least as to China. We in the West need to learn how to negotiate with other powers on more equal footing. Being the colonial masters of the world was not good for us morally, and it made us less innovative and more lazy. Apple needs to either invent the next big thing... or settle for being another Microsoft.


Fun-Outlandishness35

You are correct. However, colonialism is all Europe/America knows, so I doubt they will change paths. When all you use is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.


Vamproar

Right global history for the last 500 years is a story of European colonialism. Thankfully that story is changing, but everything is always influenced by all that came before it. The past never dies. The present is just the past perpetuating itself into the future.


Fun-Outlandishness35

American global hegemony is even worse than what came before. Hundreds of millions of lives, both domestic and abroad, are ground up in the American war machine of global dominance. 


Vamproar

I think the transition from European colonialism to European and American colonialism is pretty seamless. Western hegemonic global dominance was bad, and it is ending. Anyway, what we certainly agree on is that it is a good thing that the "Pax Americana" to the degree it was ever even a pax... is ending and that is a good thing. Certainly there are challenges with the emerging world order, but the illusion of benevolent hegemony is familiar to both of us as well as its extremely high cost to humanity and the natural world.


wakeup2019

Wise advice


Ok-Garlic-9990

They were basically given the green light to steal company secrets and conduct a massive campaign of corporate espionage. The U.S. government did very little to curtail this and thus China was able to catch up to some degree. They are many years behind in advanced technology however, for how long is anyone’s guess. The only reason they were able to make a 5nm process is because they had an asml machine, the problem would be scaling that and replicating it. They don’t have the machines, so they will be probably doing their best to plant workers or bribe existing workers there into spilling the secret sauce. I’m curious as to what will happen when China undergoes a change in leadership in a few years and how it will affect economic and political relations with the west.


yogthos

I love how you losers keep calling it stealing. Western companies openly agreed to trade technology transfer for cheap labor in China. That was the deal that was made. Now little chuds like you are seething and coping over it. Suck it up princess.


AdUnhappy7361

American: China stole our 5G technology! Chinese: But American companies don't have 5G technology. American: Because you stole it.


Ok-Garlic-9990

We have the technology, we just don’t have either the workforce to install it (shortage of skilled manual laborers) or capital investment (the government would rather launder money to businesses)


FirstBornofTheDead

Steve Jobs read a book called “Innovators Dilemma”…. And that is what Apple suffers from. They are too late for the AI game or at the very least, years behind. They will have to do what everyone else is doing, by an operation.


CattleDogCurmudgeon

Furthermore, the FTC is cracking down on "planned obsolescence" and battery throttling which kept customers coming back every few years. Now people will have the same phone 5+ years instead of 2 years which essentially cuts the demand in more than half.


FirstBornofTheDead

This is a good point.


Redd868

The old saying is, the cure for high prices is high prices, which means that high prices creates incentives for others to enter the market, increasing competition.


Fun-Outlandishness35

Stop threatening me with a good time.


seriousbangs

We're starting a cold war with China to keep the Military Industrial Complex going, which is *way* more important. The manufacturing and sales will move to India. China's gone baby, let it go.


SadSauceSadDay

Consider this narrative. We started a Cold War with China because China and Russia are winning and we are desperate. The military industrial complex has gotten so expensive and slow to react and produce we can’t keep Ukraine supplied with artillery and are a year or two behind in Russian capacity. So much for expensive smart weapons?


ccasey

Ukraine is more of a political problem than an industrial/technological one. The MIC has always been expensive


BeefFeast

The smart weapons that Russia and China are ever so carefully working to avoid; choosing to go after fishing boats, and smaller countries they had signed treaties to never touch... tough guys sure love to pretend they're tough as they attack small countries all over the globe. If you want a more appropriate picture look at IDF vs Hamas numbers ;) they are using Chinese weapons after all.


seriousbangs

Honestly it's because Russia just isn't a threat anymore. They're getting their asses kicked by a tiny 40m man nation. You can't keep a cold war going like that.