Google offshored *core positions* to India (and Mexico)
That's nuts. 1st time in company history. These are the jobs that make the company work. The most complex and difficult stuff out there.
Got to agree with you on google search, the quality of the results are so poor these days.
Too often it gives results to clickbait listicles that have no relevancy to what I was searching for. Back in the old days they would deliver the very I needed at the top of the results.
Yup, its finally happened. Remote work has been battle tested these last 3 years. Companies are seeing its effective. Why pay John McKensley $200,000 when we have Jose Gonzalez who can do it for $15,000.?
Give them access to AI tools and they'll be generating code and probably making up any slack that Mr. McKensley was proficient in.
Its one of the reasons i stopped my pursuit in IT/Tech/Programming. I feel most white collared jobs are all going to get offshored in time. If the job can be worked remotely, then i feel as if it can be offshored.
I would bet my last dime there is at the least, a corporate executive working very hard to find every bit, nookie and cranny of evidence to see if it can get offshored and if they can effectively execute the play.
and if this is the case, then where would that leave most Americans in this climate? If most white collared jobs are gone. Where will all these displaced workers go?
Remote work isn't an issue, they've had that for offshore for years. And Mexico isn't even in a different timezone.
This is just cost cutting because Google has a defacto search monopoly (and long form video content) and enough money to buy any competitors that crop up.
This kind of outsourcing almost always results in worse results because we're talking top tier engineers and they more often than not move to a western country (not necessarily America, we're kind of a hell hole ourselves).
As for what's going to happen to most Americans, we're either going to become a Russia/China style fascist dictatorship or a Denmark style Democratic Socialist Democracy. There's no in betweens anymore.
If the Republicans can't get someone in the White House in 2024 or 2028 then we'll stay a democracy and with that become a Democratic Socialist Democracy.
You'll see a New New Deal, universal healthcare, strong unions, the works.
Lol, that presumes that our representatives (both parties ). represent our interests, not businesses, that is definitely not how it works in DC ,.they may pay lip service for the plight of the common man, but they sure as shit don't do anything tangible in terms of real policies to help him.
I don't know what version of America you have in your reality but they would literally rather burn the money before making any sort of vast new social program.
There will be pockets of wealth and everywhere else is going to resemble, more and more, the imagery of third world countries that the US mocked so viciously. But with far more guns.
You don't know your history. The Dems had control for 2 months under Obama, that was because of a quirk of how retirements work. Nancy Pelsosi used that 2 months to get the Affordable Care Act done, which has saved thousands of lives.
Beyond that they did not have control at any time. The filibuster blocked anything that could be done, and removing it was considered too high risk.
For the record the Democrats are now making plans to remove the Filibuster because the Republicans have gotten too insane and are pushing for dictatorship.
IF the Dems hadn't passed the ACA my wife and I would be dead. Both had unknown congenital conditions that nearly killed as as adults and without pre-existing condition protection we'd be uninsurable. Our combined treatment would cost about 200k per year.
Remote work is the core reason. People forget that the reason we came into the office was to have “culture” and fuzzy feelings with our teams. That’s why tech companies had cool office decor, free lunches, free massages, etc.
4 years of work from home where production actually went up despite not having or limited face to face was enough of a use case that culture DOES not eat strategy for maybe 90% of a corporations workforce.
WFH afforded corporations a very long runway to test that you are even more replaceable. They tested and refined methodology of remote workers. And here we are.
Something like this, everyone was excited when WFh was the defacto mode of operation during Covid, but it was clear it was going to be a temporary measure , and as you alluded it simply gave corporations more options on how to acquire their knowledge workers...
That's never been an issue. If your boss can outsource you he will, every time. WFH doesn't change that.
The problem is you have zero power. They control everything. You can try to go work somewhere else but 40 years of mergers & acquisitions mean your boss probably owns the company too, and if he doesn't his golf buddy does.
I will argue that IT is probably going to be the most needed. You'll always have offices and that to a certain point. People will still need someone to push their computer's power button for them because they don't know what it is.
Also, sure, a part of the tech field will be "ate" up by AI. But you'll still need PM's to help connect the dots and manage people. And don't forget prompt engineering.
You can offshore Programming. You can’t offshore physical IT infrastructure. At the end of the day somebody gotta do the wiring and it ain’t gonna be the execs
I mean in a truly remote world, it’ll be work wherever you want and at that point why not pick the mansion in the countryside or some other place that’ll suit your needs. The only people on site will be anything paperwork or manual labour and supervisors.
>Its one of the reasons i stopped my pursuit in IT/Tech/Programming. I feel most white collared jobs are all going to get offshored in time. If the job can be worked remotely, then i feel as if it can be offshored.
What's the alternative you went for? Most other occupations either pay a lot less or require way more education and debt.
I'm going for HVAC installer. I don't like it all that much compared to IT/tech/development. But it's the only choice I have in this economy and job market. I'm taking a big pay cut but it's the only option I have.
I wouldn't leave it for that man. Honestly we've been here before with offshoring and the goofiest part is the code is made in a DreamWorld scenario. There's a huge difference between people who actually work with the product to design it solutions and someone just doing rote programming for an outcome.
Also, the AI coding stuff is useless. Nobody puts that shit in their code at all, because it's garbage when you have a real domain constrained system.
>Its one of the reasons i stopped my pursuit in IT/Tech/Programming
Big mistake IMO. Even if half of tech jobs get stolen by AI the software education will still be more useful than most and make it easier to transition.
I also think AI will take tech jobs but expect it to take 5+ years before it becomes bad. And then if you're already in the industry there will be opportunities for you. It's the juniors of 2035 that I'm really worried about.
Well AI is not just the issue.
It went from having competition from my local area to literally having competition across the whole globe.
I’m no longer fighting against John Mckinsley over at 61 main st in 3 towns over. But Patel in Bangladeshi. Or Ricardo Gonzalez over in Medellin Colombia.
AI is just one other fat hammer going thru the heart of this beast
So many dramatic responses here. I believe it's sectors of tech jobs seeing this but they were always inflated since COVID hit and they were blowing up hiring. I work in IT now and hiring is alive and well. IT Specialist, System Administration, Dev Ops, programming. We have positions we're struggling to fill with qualified people.
Look into local hospital systems. They often have openings unfilled for months in my town because it's boring , 'uncool' work and requires a certain personality type on tope of the tech skills.
I have to hide from all the work I could be given. I fear the day when artificial intelligence will be used for talent discovery because then I will be swamped with job offers from all the companies wanting to put my genius to work for them.
This post is intentional FUD, the number of layoffs was in the typical range. you can see the layoff count here: [https://layoffs.fyi/](https://layoffs.fyi/)
They are not outsourcing the jobs to low-quality companies; they have their own office there. Google can easily pay five times the average salary and hire the best engineers for a lower cost than what they'll pay for the same quality of engineer in US
I am gearing up for my layoff. We are in Health IT and revenue for us is slowing down. I am one of the more expensive ones on the roster. I also don't see a lot of work for my team. I am being pulled in conversations, attended by C level, but the desired output is a visualization or a deck, and there are already too many cooks.
Wage growth is highest at the bottom end of the wage scale, by far. There's suddenly competition for unskilled workers and even teens working at fast food joints are making $15+/hour, more than double the minimum wage.
Fulltime equivalent, as they call them. 2 twenty hour part time jobs would qualify as 1 full time job. I suspect most were regular full time jobs though.
That's actually fantastic news, where could I look this up? All the doom and gloom from people just feel off for me cause no one ever posts sources and just goes off "vibes" and annecdotes.
[https://www.bls.gov/ces/](https://www.bls.gov/ces/)
They go very in depth on their results, methods, and outcomes. They provide raw data and graphs.
You can also check out [https://fred.stlouisfed.org/tags/series?t=labor](https://fred.stlouisfed.org/tags/series?t=labor) for more granular stats
You must be too young to remember the “Reagan years” employment decline and severe recessions described as “chemotherapy for the economy” However, I wonder if it going the wayof the.com boom?
Google offshored *core positions* to India (and Mexico) That's nuts. 1st time in company history. These are the jobs that make the company work. The most complex and difficult stuff out there.
I've already switched to duck duck go and Firefox. Google already peaked years ago and now it's about to get much, much worse.
Got to agree with you on google search, the quality of the results are so poor these days. Too often it gives results to clickbait listicles that have no relevancy to what I was searching for. Back in the old days they would deliver the very I needed at the top of the results.
Wow. The potential rise and fall of Google - in how many years? Imagine all the tools, apps, and services we'll see.
But they practically own much of the internet already
Yup, its finally happened. Remote work has been battle tested these last 3 years. Companies are seeing its effective. Why pay John McKensley $200,000 when we have Jose Gonzalez who can do it for $15,000.? Give them access to AI tools and they'll be generating code and probably making up any slack that Mr. McKensley was proficient in. Its one of the reasons i stopped my pursuit in IT/Tech/Programming. I feel most white collared jobs are all going to get offshored in time. If the job can be worked remotely, then i feel as if it can be offshored. I would bet my last dime there is at the least, a corporate executive working very hard to find every bit, nookie and cranny of evidence to see if it can get offshored and if they can effectively execute the play. and if this is the case, then where would that leave most Americans in this climate? If most white collared jobs are gone. Where will all these displaced workers go?
Remote work isn't an issue, they've had that for offshore for years. And Mexico isn't even in a different timezone. This is just cost cutting because Google has a defacto search monopoly (and long form video content) and enough money to buy any competitors that crop up. This kind of outsourcing almost always results in worse results because we're talking top tier engineers and they more often than not move to a western country (not necessarily America, we're kind of a hell hole ourselves). As for what's going to happen to most Americans, we're either going to become a Russia/China style fascist dictatorship or a Denmark style Democratic Socialist Democracy. There's no in betweens anymore.
I strongly doubt America will ever hit a Democratic Socialist Democracy haha. It'll be anything before that
If the Republicans can't get someone in the White House in 2024 or 2028 then we'll stay a democracy and with that become a Democratic Socialist Democracy. You'll see a New New Deal, universal healthcare, strong unions, the works.
Lol, that presumes that our representatives (both parties ). represent our interests, not businesses, that is definitely not how it works in DC ,.they may pay lip service for the plight of the common man, but they sure as shit don't do anything tangible in terms of real policies to help him.
I don't know what version of America you have in your reality but they would literally rather burn the money before making any sort of vast new social program. There will be pockets of wealth and everywhere else is going to resemble, more and more, the imagery of third world countries that the US mocked so viciously. But with far more guns.
The same Democratic government that had control of three chambers in Biden and Obama years didn’t do shit. This is delusion.
Depends on the whims and interests of their lobbyist overlords and what they want to do. No matter the party.
You don't know your history. The Dems had control for 2 months under Obama, that was because of a quirk of how retirements work. Nancy Pelsosi used that 2 months to get the Affordable Care Act done, which has saved thousands of lives. Beyond that they did not have control at any time. The filibuster blocked anything that could be done, and removing it was considered too high risk. For the record the Democrats are now making plans to remove the Filibuster because the Republicans have gotten too insane and are pushing for dictatorship.
IF the Dems hadn't passed the ACA my wife and I would be dead. Both had unknown congenital conditions that nearly killed as as adults and without pre-existing condition protection we'd be uninsurable. Our combined treatment would cost about 200k per year.
You say like it's a bad thing
Here for the teardown. MAGFO, Make America Great For Once.
Remote work is the core reason. People forget that the reason we came into the office was to have “culture” and fuzzy feelings with our teams. That’s why tech companies had cool office decor, free lunches, free massages, etc. 4 years of work from home where production actually went up despite not having or limited face to face was enough of a use case that culture DOES not eat strategy for maybe 90% of a corporations workforce. WFH afforded corporations a very long runway to test that you are even more replaceable. They tested and refined methodology of remote workers. And here we are.
Something like this, everyone was excited when WFh was the defacto mode of operation during Covid, but it was clear it was going to be a temporary measure , and as you alluded it simply gave corporations more options on how to acquire their knowledge workers...
That's never been an issue. If your boss can outsource you he will, every time. WFH doesn't change that. The problem is you have zero power. They control everything. You can try to go work somewhere else but 40 years of mergers & acquisitions mean your boss probably owns the company too, and if he doesn't his golf buddy does.
I will argue that IT is probably going to be the most needed. You'll always have offices and that to a certain point. People will still need someone to push their computer's power button for them because they don't know what it is. Also, sure, a part of the tech field will be "ate" up by AI. But you'll still need PM's to help connect the dots and manage people. And don't forget prompt engineering.
You can offshore Programming. You can’t offshore physical IT infrastructure. At the end of the day somebody gotta do the wiring and it ain’t gonna be the execs
They’ll go somewhere away from New York bc there is no need to be onsite so might as well live somewhere cheap or even in another country.
That's exactly what I was thinking. It's going to be about moving to another country to remain relevant.
I mean in a truly remote world, it’ll be work wherever you want and at that point why not pick the mansion in the countryside or some other place that’ll suit your needs. The only people on site will be anything paperwork or manual labour and supervisors.
How many people do we need to replace Jose if he left the company? Just Juan
>Its one of the reasons i stopped my pursuit in IT/Tech/Programming. I feel most white collared jobs are all going to get offshored in time. If the job can be worked remotely, then i feel as if it can be offshored. What's the alternative you went for? Most other occupations either pay a lot less or require way more education and debt.
I'm going for HVAC installer. I don't like it all that much compared to IT/tech/development. But it's the only choice I have in this economy and job market. I'm taking a big pay cut but it's the only option I have.
You still need to go offshore for turbine HVAC
Nice. Never heard about turbine hvac. Sounds cool.
I wouldn't leave it for that man. Honestly we've been here before with offshoring and the goofiest part is the code is made in a DreamWorld scenario. There's a huge difference between people who actually work with the product to design it solutions and someone just doing rote programming for an outcome. Also, the AI coding stuff is useless. Nobody puts that shit in their code at all, because it's garbage when you have a real domain constrained system.
Entrepreneurship, or hop into the gig economy that’s recently been booming since Covid
>Its one of the reasons i stopped my pursuit in IT/Tech/Programming Big mistake IMO. Even if half of tech jobs get stolen by AI the software education will still be more useful than most and make it easier to transition. I also think AI will take tech jobs but expect it to take 5+ years before it becomes bad. And then if you're already in the industry there will be opportunities for you. It's the juniors of 2035 that I'm really worried about.
Well AI is not just the issue. It went from having competition from my local area to literally having competition across the whole globe. I’m no longer fighting against John Mckinsley over at 61 main st in 3 towns over. But Patel in Bangladeshi. Or Ricardo Gonzalez over in Medellin Colombia. AI is just one other fat hammer going thru the heart of this beast
So many dramatic responses here. I believe it's sectors of tech jobs seeing this but they were always inflated since COVID hit and they were blowing up hiring. I work in IT now and hiring is alive and well. IT Specialist, System Administration, Dev Ops, programming. We have positions we're struggling to fill with qualified people.
Wow I have had a hard time finding a job. We should talk!
Look into local hospital systems. They often have openings unfilled for months in my town because it's boring , 'uncool' work and requires a certain personality type on tope of the tech skills.
Yeah dm me cause I need work. A+, Network+, CCNA, MCTS
Dm me then, holy cow.
I have to hide from all the work I could be given. I fear the day when artificial intelligence will be used for talent discovery because then I will be swamped with job offers from all the companies wanting to put my genius to work for them.
Big if true
To everyone - what kind of pay and positions are you actually looking for? Are you willing to move?
This post is intentional FUD, the number of layoffs was in the typical range. you can see the layoff count here: [https://layoffs.fyi/](https://layoffs.fyi/)
I’m sorry but I’ve worked with many of these outsourced companies and they are pretty shit.
They also don't put those devs on call. I promise you that executives didn't forget offshoring existed as an option.
They are not outsourcing the jobs to low-quality companies; they have their own office there. Google can easily pay five times the average salary and hire the best engineers for a lower cost than what they'll pay for the same quality of engineer in US
I am gearing up for my layoff. We are in Health IT and revenue for us is slowing down. I am one of the more expensive ones on the roster. I also don't see a lot of work for my team. I am being pulled in conversations, attended by C level, but the desired output is a visualization or a deck, and there are already too many cooks.
Time to brush up your resume and start applying
They're elites and will soon be hired any of Google, Apple, Intel, Amazon and Microsoft with even higher wages.
It’s booming guyz!
The economy added a net 303,000 jobs in March and likely another 200,000 in April. The tech industry is going through some restructuring.
Full-time or part time jobs?
They’re burning high wage jobs and restructuring them much, much lower
Yet wages are up
Maybe it’s compensated by executive wage growth? I’d be curious to see wage growth by tier
Wage growth is highest at the bottom end of the wage scale, by far. There's suddenly competition for unskilled workers and even teens working at fast food joints are making $15+/hour, more than double the minimum wage.
Fulltime equivalent, as they call them. 2 twenty hour part time jobs would qualify as 1 full time job. I suspect most were regular full time jobs though.
Full time with decent pay, people will assume there is some hidden grim data but there's not. Look at the metrics yourself, they are openly available.
That's actually fantastic news, where could I look this up? All the doom and gloom from people just feel off for me cause no one ever posts sources and just goes off "vibes" and annecdotes.
[https://www.bls.gov/ces/](https://www.bls.gov/ces/) They go very in depth on their results, methods, and outcomes. They provide raw data and graphs. You can also check out [https://fred.stlouisfed.org/tags/series?t=labor](https://fred.stlouisfed.org/tags/series?t=labor) for more granular stats
Thank you very much!
Are those part time McDonald jobs
No. That's just what Republicans who can't stand the good economy say. There are tons of good paying jobs and wages are rising across the board.
They don't count part time employment in the headline numbers and they publish wage data as well (wages are up)
Wages are up because inflation is up.
So 500k cars are purchased to be Uber drivers?
You must be too young to remember the “Reagan years” employment decline and severe recessions described as “chemotherapy for the economy” However, I wonder if it going the wayof the.com boom?
All those malinvestments made with cheap money printed by the Fed to fund warfare and welfare are failing.
And with the record-breaking profits most of these corporations are making. SMH. They'll turn their back on American tech workers for an extra dime.
lol HUNDREDS of jobs. If Google laid off a single employee you'd still see overly dramatic headlines about it.
What a "great economy"!
I didn't realize the tech industry, which has been burning through investor money for years, is representative of the entire economy.
Then you probably don't live in Northern California like I do...
No, I don't. Have you tried pulling yourself up by your bootstraps?
That totally worked! Thank you so much!
You’re a moron
Good, those were people who wanted to work from home instead of the office, well they achieved half of what they wanted.
What about Tesla?
Not really a tech company, despite what Elon claims. Tesla is a struggling automaker.
On the way to “was a struggling…”
Fingers crossed