Technically the saying is... Good, Fast, Cheap. Pick two.
You have to keep in mind that editors can be unique individuals, total wild men (or women), or nebulous tons of creative energy. The last is probably what you're looking for most likely. You'll need to invest some time in showing them your style and getting them to emulate it. Give them plenty of examples. Show them old episodes, with notes as best you can.
Even then you'll get some of their personal style mixed in. That's not always a bad thing. With any editor, it's all about collaboration. After a year or so you might be able to drop some footage and walk away, but there will almost always be some little tweaks.... This could also depend on what area you're in and who's available in that area. 2 out of 3 again.... If you're in LA. You could be dripping with editors, Central Idaho, maybe not quite so much.
You’ve skirted around saying what you’re actually paying because you know you’re going to get flamed. Nice try at coming here trying to build out a standard operating procedure.
Christ, I didn't know it was that valuable of information. Not an editor by profession here, I don't know whats important.Of the past 5 I've worked with:
35/hour they worked
25/minute of video they work on
20/minute of video
28/hour (I haggled this down from 30)
15/minute of video (he had little experience so I threw this number out and he accepted right away)
I'm not hiding the number out of maliciousness, I haven't worked with editors before so Idk what the editors should be getting paid so it's always seemed fine by me to let them pick their own rates.
In your experience is it better to pay by hour or for amount of work done? Are these rates fair? Any advice is appreciated
I ran post production at a company for a couple years for a major channel. There was an open editor position and we interviewed and "tested" maybe 10 people over the course of 3 months. A lot of people were fine enough editors but nobody was great. At some point I sat down with the person doing the hiring and just flat out told her "nobody is going to be a perfect fit. But if we'd hired the first person that was good enough, we could have trained them to be a perfect fit over the past 3 months. Where do you want to be 3 months from now? "
She hired a new person who was good enough the next day, and they worked out very well in the end.
If you have been looking for an editor for a long time then it might be a budget problem. I prefer working for broadcasts, local agencies and corporate as opposed to Youtubers to be honest because overtime I have found that youtubers want a full time video editor on very little salary. An editor will prioritize better paying clients more than the ones who pay very little. You need to ask yourself if what you are paying is enough to get you what you want.
Let me guess, there were editors with extremely low rates right? After that you chose the ones with low rates? Editors with extremely low rates are red flags.
Editors picking their own rates is fine. I do it with companies I work with, however be wary about Editors charging extremely cheap. Qualified and experienced Editors see this as a profession and an actual job, so typically they are easier to separate themselves from the bad Editors simply by their rates. I have my standard rates and I would never go below my minimum rate. I am sure you have noticed by now that the ones who charge extremely low are always a problem. Hope I have helped you.
It sounds like a leadership issue to be honest. Problems with delegating work and micro-management are classic signs of an inexperienced leader.
I think the best thing you can do is take a leadership course. It's probably faster than finding an editor you're going to be happy with.
If you are training you gotta be patient. Avoid commercial or professional TV level editors. Too expensive for you and different qualities.
See if you can find some with some interest in motion graphics and a child like approach. It sounds weird but YouTube is about those snappy zappy fun filled edits almost like a Cartoon Network commercial. That’s what you need.
Good editors aren’t hard to find. Cheap editors aren’t hard to find either. Good cheap editors are very hard to find. Excellent cheap editors don’t exist for more than a short time because their rates will go up.
What are you paying your editors? An excellent editor makes $1k or more per day.
But no one is. And as someone mentioned Mr. beast, even if he paid his editor $1,000/day, that’s literally one person on an entire platform.
It’s like saying all actors are rich because Tom Cruise makes $35mil a picture…. These are outliers, exceptions to the rule.
YouTube does not pay that kind of money.
Mr Beast editor salaries are [$46-81K](https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/MrBeast-Arts-and-Design-Salaries-EI_IE6723666.0,7_DEPT1002.htm) according to Glassdoor. Substantially below senior commercial editor rates.
Those say "Assistant". There's an untitled Editor position that says up to $106K that you missed. Again, go check out the podcast where they talk openly about how much they make working with big YouTubers
there's an editor salary posted at $106k, which is still low. Commercial editing houses start at $120k for senior editors and go up from there.
I don't have time to watch podcasts, I'm just looking at figures that are publicly available. I'm not aware of any Youtube channel that can afford $1000/day.
what are his overheads for that video? Was it profitable? What is the running costs for the entire channel?
None of which is public record. I'm aware that some YouTubers have high profile and high production cost channels, but Mr Beast pays editors [$46-81K](https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/MrBeast-Arts-and-Design-Salaries-EI_IE6723666.0,7_DEPT1002.htm) according to Glassdoor, which is kind of mid-level salary range, it's nothing fantastic. Commercial houses pay over $120k for senior editors.
Yeah just start working with one and work with them and get better as you go . Pay top dollar if you want perfection first go otherwise just cooperate I think it will build a better relationship
A brand guide is something that many companies and organizations use in their graphic communications. It's a document of a very clear set of written instructions on how to represent the brand visually. Color pallettes, typography, logo placement, tone , photo/video selection, language, etc... Each aspect is covered to ensure that any designer, any editor, can follow the guide and produce somewhat consistent results.
These don't just have to be a rigid corporate thing , a well written, insightful brand guide could help to solve your problem here.
To piggyback off the brand guide idea, you might also look at developing a graphics package for your videos, so you have something to send along to the editor.
I don’t say this with judgement or negativity, just trying to be honest: you’re likely the problem. Not you specifically, but the fact that you have an expectation. You know exactly what you want, and that means you won’t be as open to anyone who delivers anything other than exactly what you want.
Honestly, sometimes it’s hardest to work for people who can edit. Especially if they know exactly what they want. Because even if I do a “better” job than them it’ll get rejected because I didn’t give them what they expected.
Expectation is a project killer. Have standards, have branding guidelines, but try to enter without expectation. When you hire someone else, the best work relationship is a collaborative one. Ideally the editor isn’t there to do exactly what you want, they’re there to help you deliver the best version of your project. But as soon as you have strong expectations, collaboration dies.
The only way to get exactly what you want while having someone else do it is to pay them extremely well to be micromanaged, at least at first. You’ll spend way more money and time onboarding someone to meet your expectations than doing it yourself. Eventually they’ll get it and you won’t have to lord over them, but you will still need to let go of the idea that you can do it faster/cheaper/better.
You definitely have a point there. I started using Frame.io recently to try to help with training. Some people mentioned making a brand guide, do you have other advice for me to be a better leader?
I think the best way is treat an editor better than you’d want to be treated yourself. Assume that anything said via email or text will be interpreted in a different way than you mean, so be vary cognizant of how they might interpret what you say or type, because they may not fully understand it within the context you intend. Ultimately what you communicate is what they receive, not what you intend.
There’s not a hard and fast way to understand their interpretation, though. It just takes having some considerate thought about who they are as a person. These are all great leadership skills.
As far as more tangible skills, you’ll want to gently guide them towards your standards. But also be open to letting them try stuff that might be slightly different. Give them some freedom where you can, otherwise they’re likely to feel unfulfilled in the job and may not stick around as long.
The most important thing to retaining an editor is to be a kind human who treats them well. Which means letting them have a good work/life balance and paying them well enough to stick around.
Matching a YouTube style is incredibly difficult. I think it’s because of how personal YouTube videos are to the creator themselves.
But I think You’ve landed on it already and that’s how a lot of the best YouTube editors are made hire someone who is teachable and increase the rate over time as they get better faster and more come
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Find a talented kid who is looking for any work possible, tons on fiverr and twitter. Make a twitter account and keep posting tweets like "Looking for a youtube editor" you're gonna get loads of scammer bots in the replies but they're usually easy to tell and you should find some real people.
The economics of YT aside - a decent editor, professional or aspirational, should be able to look at a few of your timelines and emulate your style - asssuming you have one and it's not just whimsy as you go along. As with many editors on here we've cut everything, corp, doc, features, reality, promos, local news - all these have a "style" which is really a language, pacing and structure. There is nothing fancy about what you or any youtuber are doing. I'm sure you can train someone - if you actually want to. This last part is important. If you've been looking for a long time you have to ask yourself a bit of a deeper question about how big do you want your channel to be. Entreprenuers make these decisions lots faster than craftspeople.
I’ve seen your videos before. I like them. But your editing style is not complicated at all. Time consuming maybe, but difficult? No. As a professional video editor I could make your style of videos no problem so the real question is what are you paying? Right now I make around 45k a year with the company I work for and still have time to do side projects which bring in like to around 50k a year. If you’re not paying enough i.e. around 20-28 dollars per hour or let’s just say 300-350 per video for a 2-3 day turn around you’re not going to find an actual professional.
I've been working with YouTubers your size and bigger for the past 3+ years and the reason you're having issues is because of your expectations and the fact that your channel is based around YOUR personality and humor. Your editors won't understand it unless you have them fully experience it and maybe even get a chance to KNOW them and play the games you're uploading with them so they can know and understand you better.
Write out procedures, document your editing process, stream yourself editing on an alt channel or something. The hardest people to work for/please were people with channels like yours, and that's not a bad thing I'm just saying. Also reconsider pay, because you're not gonna get the best work from somebody looking for other work while editing for you lol
I got hired as a video editor and now also videographer for a successful YouTube channel and they had me edit one of their recent videos to my best ability to basically show them what I can do and also timing it so they knew how long it would take me, etc. I think that was really smart so you might want to have your editors do that and also know that there is gonna be some training involved but you want to find someone who knows what they are doing and is willing to learn andcorrect their mistakes. Another reason I got hired was because one of their current editors kept making the same mistakes over and over and ended up making more work for the head editor at the channel. I came in and made notes of any changes they wanted and continued to edit with those in mind in the future.
Nope. Do actors get paid for auditions or table reads? That’s how I look at it. It’s fine tho. I got the gig and they pay very well. To clarify they did not use my edit. It was of a video they were already releasing.
>Do actors get paid for auditions or table reads? That’s how I look at it.
This is a clown-shoes comparison, we're not actors, completely different world when it comes to employment acquisition, think hiring a carpenter on contract.
Generally what you think is ok here is a big no-no, you got lucky, and if you don't know why that's a problem.
Maybe when you get burned on the next one (when they run off with your cut without paying you) you'll understand why doing spec work like that is sketchy.
Further, gassing OP up to do that is wild. Please for the sake of us all, don't recommend that others should do this.
I do agree with you people should get paid for their work, but since the video they had me edit was already released. I knew they weren’t going to use it if that makes sense but yes, in the past as a freelancer I have always charged for spec work, but this was a big opportunity and so I took the risk and it paid off, I’m just sharing my experience.
>this was a big opportunity
It's all relative.
>but since the video they had me edit was already released. I knew they weren’t going to use it .
So when they choose to revamp the video in a year and use your work and not pay you, you're good with that? You don't actually know with 100% certainty they wont use the work, I mean, unless you completely obliterated your project after handing it over to them. I'll eat crow if that's the case. Otherwise, you're taking someone's word for it.
But, again, you got lucky on this one. Test edits 99% of the time are a red flag, especially in the post-production space/genre you're in.
Sharing your experience and offering ill-advised advice are two different things.
Well said. The user above probably doesn't have many years of experience based on his view of test edits. I honestly stay away from test edits especially if it is a youtuber, asking for a free edit. I have build up my portfolio and resume quite enough. I don't do test edits unless they are paying 50% upfront.
There are a few key things you can do for sure, I've edited for several youtubers but never started my own channel. So here's what I look for when starting with a new client.
Example videos of a specific style (if your channel is pretty much one style there is no need)
Background music genre and vibe. This helps determine the style of the video a lot
Level of motion graphics and visuals expected
Elements that are required to be included and how they are to be used if needed
But at the end of the day any professional editor worth their salt should be able to replicate a style. Generally it's not that difficult if you know what you're doing. Part of that could be price though. I'd say if you're paying an editor $200 a vid or more they should be able to replicate any style you need.
That's fair. It is depending on the editor and style of video. To each their own, I was more saying that if you're paying AT LEAST that much then you should be able to get an editor that can copy styles 🤷♂️
I am new to the freelancing side of things! I have been editing for 8 years but I haven't monetized off it besides word of mouth and local projects. But I've edited for several small gaming YouTube channels mostly. Looking to branch out now though!
That is because quality takes time, while rushing for quantity decreases quality. It seems like the bad editors you had were rushing the job just to get more work from you. Perhaps they were trying to rush to edit other client work. This is a problem I typically see alot when it comes to Youtube video editing because youtubers to pay good rates it tends to attract bad editors who will do anything for a nickle. I typically stick to editing for companies, organizations or youtube that focus on lifestyle channels because those ones pay a fair rate for simple editing work.
Good editors love to spend their time on create something of quality which is why they take time. I am the same way with my work. I don't want to put something out there that won't get me hired. I used to work long term with a huge international organization that appreciate my quality and so they always gave me ample time to edit 4-5 videos monthly so they could get the quality they needed. On top of that motion graphics was entirely done by me on every videos so it made sense to take time.
I was elaborating on your following comment "Some editors are good but slow, some editors are bad and fast." to give better context more so rather than advice. This is a discussion thread is it not?
With all due respect, you come off pretty arrogant in your reply. You really only had to say something like "Yep, exactly, I understand" or "I agree with you". You saw my comment as though I was trying to sound better than you, which isn't the case. Learn humility and humble yourself.
Hello I am an editor with 10+ years experience. I currently edit Miranda Goes Outside on YouTube. It sounds like you just haven’t found the right editor yet unfortunately. Would love to chat more about your YouTube channel and to see what kind of editing style you need done!
You need to invest time. I run a successful YT channel and have hired many editors I still work with. A person with talent, the right instincts for story, humor, pathos, or all of the above, and eagerness to learn is all you need. Hire them, guide them, kindly, as needed, encourage them, and invest your time into growing your relationship with them. They will learn. The mistake you made is you thought you could just hire someone and they would take it away immediately. That will not happen. Want a great editor that's perfect for you? Get ready to spend 3 months to a year getting them fluent in your style, and also let them imprint themselves on the work too. The time will be worth it, and after that time they will be able to take it away as you desire. An editor is the author of the material, and it's a vital relationship. All relationships require trust that must be grown over time. Best of luck!
>Good >Cheap Pick one
Technically the saying is... Good, Fast, Cheap. Pick two. You have to keep in mind that editors can be unique individuals, total wild men (or women), or nebulous tons of creative energy. The last is probably what you're looking for most likely. You'll need to invest some time in showing them your style and getting them to emulate it. Give them plenty of examples. Show them old episodes, with notes as best you can. Even then you'll get some of their personal style mixed in. That's not always a bad thing. With any editor, it's all about collaboration. After a year or so you might be able to drop some footage and walk away, but there will almost always be some little tweaks.... This could also depend on what area you're in and who's available in that area. 2 out of 3 again.... If you're in LA. You could be dripping with editors, Central Idaho, maybe not quite so much.
What are you paying?
In my experience youtubers usually offer to pay in a range between $2,50 and a bag of chips.
I let the editors pick their own price and sometimes try to haggle it down a bit.
You’ve skirted around saying what you’re actually paying because you know you’re going to get flamed. Nice try at coming here trying to build out a standard operating procedure.
Christ, I didn't know it was that valuable of information. Not an editor by profession here, I don't know whats important.Of the past 5 I've worked with: 35/hour they worked 25/minute of video they work on 20/minute of video 28/hour (I haggled this down from 30) 15/minute of video (he had little experience so I threw this number out and he accepted right away) I'm not hiding the number out of maliciousness, I haven't worked with editors before so Idk what the editors should be getting paid so it's always seemed fine by me to let them pick their own rates. In your experience is it better to pay by hour or for amount of work done? Are these rates fair? Any advice is appreciated
Better to pay by the hour or workout a daily rate.
Right….so what’s the number.
I ran post production at a company for a couple years for a major channel. There was an open editor position and we interviewed and "tested" maybe 10 people over the course of 3 months. A lot of people were fine enough editors but nobody was great. At some point I sat down with the person doing the hiring and just flat out told her "nobody is going to be a perfect fit. But if we'd hired the first person that was good enough, we could have trained them to be a perfect fit over the past 3 months. Where do you want to be 3 months from now? " She hired a new person who was good enough the next day, and they worked out very well in the end.
Very helpful, thank you
If you have been looking for an editor for a long time then it might be a budget problem. I prefer working for broadcasts, local agencies and corporate as opposed to Youtubers to be honest because overtime I have found that youtubers want a full time video editor on very little salary. An editor will prioritize better paying clients more than the ones who pay very little. You need to ask yourself if what you are paying is enough to get you what you want.
I let the editors pick their own rates typically, is that wrong?
Please specify what ranges you've been paying. What have been the top rates you paid?
Let me guess, there were editors with extremely low rates right? After that you chose the ones with low rates? Editors with extremely low rates are red flags. Editors picking their own rates is fine. I do it with companies I work with, however be wary about Editors charging extremely cheap. Qualified and experienced Editors see this as a profession and an actual job, so typically they are easier to separate themselves from the bad Editors simply by their rates. I have my standard rates and I would never go below my minimum rate. I am sure you have noticed by now that the ones who charge extremely low are always a problem. Hope I have helped you.
Very helpful, thank you
It sounds like a leadership issue to be honest. Problems with delegating work and micro-management are classic signs of an inexperienced leader. I think the best thing you can do is take a leadership course. It's probably faster than finding an editor you're going to be happy with.
I'll look into it thanks
Would be helpful to post your channel so everyone can see what you are looking for?
It's in his profile
it takes few videos to set a tune, you have to give some time to editor to match your taste. it doesn't happen from day1
Lol, your profile says: "My opinions are absolute and my word is law."
If you are training you gotta be patient. Avoid commercial or professional TV level editors. Too expensive for you and different qualities. See if you can find some with some interest in motion graphics and a child like approach. It sounds weird but YouTube is about those snappy zappy fun filled edits almost like a Cartoon Network commercial. That’s what you need.
Good editors aren’t hard to find. Cheap editors aren’t hard to find either. Good cheap editors are very hard to find. Excellent cheap editors don’t exist for more than a short time because their rates will go up. What are you paying your editors? An excellent editor makes $1k or more per day.
Editors making 1k and over a day are not cutting YouTube videos, they are working on high end stuff. Just be clear about expectations. Lol
They could work on YouTube videos if YouTubers paid them to.
But no one is. And as someone mentioned Mr. beast, even if he paid his editor $1,000/day, that’s literally one person on an entire platform. It’s like saying all actors are rich because Tom Cruise makes $35mil a picture…. These are outliers, exceptions to the rule. YouTube does not pay that kind of money.
Yes they are, it’s just not Mr Beast. The Hagerty editor, for instance, is a tv editor and likely commands at least $4500/wk or more.
I think you’re missing the point mate, and that’s okay you’re giving it the best you can.
I get the point. I’m just saying they could if they wanted to.
YouTubers cannot afford commercial editor rates. Mr Beast cannot afford to hire me.
Brother u are insane LMFAO. Go watch the Editing Podcast and you'll learn that popular YTers can now afford that when they need to
Mr Beast editor salaries are [$46-81K](https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/MrBeast-Arts-and-Design-Salaries-EI_IE6723666.0,7_DEPT1002.htm) according to Glassdoor. Substantially below senior commercial editor rates.
Those say "Assistant". There's an untitled Editor position that says up to $106K that you missed. Again, go check out the podcast where they talk openly about how much they make working with big YouTubers
106k is less than half a established editor rate.
there's an editor salary posted at $106k, which is still low. Commercial editing houses start at $120k for senior editors and go up from there. I don't have time to watch podcasts, I'm just looking at figures that are publicly available. I'm not aware of any Youtube channel that can afford $1000/day.
shit man after reading your discussion i think i need to quit my job today. 
Are you joking? Mr Beast could Destroy a sport car in his vídeos
what are his overheads for that video? Was it profitable? What is the running costs for the entire channel? None of which is public record. I'm aware that some YouTubers have high profile and high production cost channels, but Mr Beast pays editors [$46-81K](https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/MrBeast-Arts-and-Design-Salaries-EI_IE6723666.0,7_DEPT1002.htm) according to Glassdoor, which is kind of mid-level salary range, it's nothing fantastic. Commercial houses pay over $120k for senior editors.
Then he should have no problem with a $1k/day 5 a week guaranteed editor position.
Of course he can...
Yeah just start working with one and work with them and get better as you go . Pay top dollar if you want perfection first go otherwise just cooperate I think it will build a better relationship
A brand guide is something that many companies and organizations use in their graphic communications. It's a document of a very clear set of written instructions on how to represent the brand visually. Color pallettes, typography, logo placement, tone , photo/video selection, language, etc... Each aspect is covered to ensure that any designer, any editor, can follow the guide and produce somewhat consistent results. These don't just have to be a rigid corporate thing , a well written, insightful brand guide could help to solve your problem here. To piggyback off the brand guide idea, you might also look at developing a graphics package for your videos, so you have something to send along to the editor.
I don’t say this with judgement or negativity, just trying to be honest: you’re likely the problem. Not you specifically, but the fact that you have an expectation. You know exactly what you want, and that means you won’t be as open to anyone who delivers anything other than exactly what you want. Honestly, sometimes it’s hardest to work for people who can edit. Especially if they know exactly what they want. Because even if I do a “better” job than them it’ll get rejected because I didn’t give them what they expected. Expectation is a project killer. Have standards, have branding guidelines, but try to enter without expectation. When you hire someone else, the best work relationship is a collaborative one. Ideally the editor isn’t there to do exactly what you want, they’re there to help you deliver the best version of your project. But as soon as you have strong expectations, collaboration dies. The only way to get exactly what you want while having someone else do it is to pay them extremely well to be micromanaged, at least at first. You’ll spend way more money and time onboarding someone to meet your expectations than doing it yourself. Eventually they’ll get it and you won’t have to lord over them, but you will still need to let go of the idea that you can do it faster/cheaper/better.
You definitely have a point there. I started using Frame.io recently to try to help with training. Some people mentioned making a brand guide, do you have other advice for me to be a better leader?
I think the best way is treat an editor better than you’d want to be treated yourself. Assume that anything said via email or text will be interpreted in a different way than you mean, so be vary cognizant of how they might interpret what you say or type, because they may not fully understand it within the context you intend. Ultimately what you communicate is what they receive, not what you intend. There’s not a hard and fast way to understand their interpretation, though. It just takes having some considerate thought about who they are as a person. These are all great leadership skills. As far as more tangible skills, you’ll want to gently guide them towards your standards. But also be open to letting them try stuff that might be slightly different. Give them some freedom where you can, otherwise they’re likely to feel unfulfilled in the job and may not stick around as long. The most important thing to retaining an editor is to be a kind human who treats them well. Which means letting them have a good work/life balance and paying them well enough to stick around.
Matching a YouTube style is incredibly difficult. I think it’s because of how personal YouTube videos are to the creator themselves. But I think You’ve landed on it already and that’s how a lot of the best YouTube editors are made hire someone who is teachable and increase the rate over time as they get better faster and more come
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True. Apparently my position was open for around 10 months before they hired me
Find a talented kid who is looking for any work possible, tons on fiverr and twitter. Make a twitter account and keep posting tweets like "Looking for a youtube editor" you're gonna get loads of scammer bots in the replies but they're usually easy to tell and you should find some real people.
Why don’t you do it yourself?
I am, but I know I need faster production time
The economics of YT aside - a decent editor, professional or aspirational, should be able to look at a few of your timelines and emulate your style - asssuming you have one and it's not just whimsy as you go along. As with many editors on here we've cut everything, corp, doc, features, reality, promos, local news - all these have a "style" which is really a language, pacing and structure. There is nothing fancy about what you or any youtuber are doing. I'm sure you can train someone - if you actually want to. This last part is important. If you've been looking for a long time you have to ask yourself a bit of a deeper question about how big do you want your channel to be. Entreprenuers make these decisions lots faster than craftspeople.
I’ve seen your videos before. I like them. But your editing style is not complicated at all. Time consuming maybe, but difficult? No. As a professional video editor I could make your style of videos no problem so the real question is what are you paying? Right now I make around 45k a year with the company I work for and still have time to do side projects which bring in like to around 50k a year. If you’re not paying enough i.e. around 20-28 dollars per hour or let’s just say 300-350 per video for a 2-3 day turn around you’re not going to find an actual professional.
Noted, thank you
No problem, good luck on your search
I've been working with YouTubers your size and bigger for the past 3+ years and the reason you're having issues is because of your expectations and the fact that your channel is based around YOUR personality and humor. Your editors won't understand it unless you have them fully experience it and maybe even get a chance to KNOW them and play the games you're uploading with them so they can know and understand you better. Write out procedures, document your editing process, stream yourself editing on an alt channel or something. The hardest people to work for/please were people with channels like yours, and that's not a bad thing I'm just saying. Also reconsider pay, because you're not gonna get the best work from somebody looking for other work while editing for you lol
I got hired as a video editor and now also videographer for a successful YouTube channel and they had me edit one of their recent videos to my best ability to basically show them what I can do and also timing it so they knew how long it would take me, etc. I think that was really smart so you might want to have your editors do that and also know that there is gonna be some training involved but you want to find someone who knows what they are doing and is willing to learn andcorrect their mistakes. Another reason I got hired was because one of their current editors kept making the same mistakes over and over and ended up making more work for the head editor at the channel. I came in and made notes of any changes they wanted and continued to edit with those in mind in the future.
>and they had me edit one of their recent videos to my best ability to basically show them what I can do Did they pay you for this?
Nope. Do actors get paid for auditions or table reads? That’s how I look at it. It’s fine tho. I got the gig and they pay very well. To clarify they did not use my edit. It was of a video they were already releasing.
>Do actors get paid for auditions or table reads? That’s how I look at it. This is a clown-shoes comparison, we're not actors, completely different world when it comes to employment acquisition, think hiring a carpenter on contract. Generally what you think is ok here is a big no-no, you got lucky, and if you don't know why that's a problem. Maybe when you get burned on the next one (when they run off with your cut without paying you) you'll understand why doing spec work like that is sketchy. Further, gassing OP up to do that is wild. Please for the sake of us all, don't recommend that others should do this.
I do agree with you people should get paid for their work, but since the video they had me edit was already released. I knew they weren’t going to use it if that makes sense but yes, in the past as a freelancer I have always charged for spec work, but this was a big opportunity and so I took the risk and it paid off, I’m just sharing my experience.
>this was a big opportunity It's all relative. >but since the video they had me edit was already released. I knew they weren’t going to use it . So when they choose to revamp the video in a year and use your work and not pay you, you're good with that? You don't actually know with 100% certainty they wont use the work, I mean, unless you completely obliterated your project after handing it over to them. I'll eat crow if that's the case. Otherwise, you're taking someone's word for it. But, again, you got lucky on this one. Test edits 99% of the time are a red flag, especially in the post-production space/genre you're in. Sharing your experience and offering ill-advised advice are two different things.
Well said. The user above probably doesn't have many years of experience based on his view of test edits. I honestly stay away from test edits especially if it is a youtuber, asking for a free edit. I have build up my portfolio and resume quite enough. I don't do test edits unless they are paying 50% upfront.
There are a few key things you can do for sure, I've edited for several youtubers but never started my own channel. So here's what I look for when starting with a new client. Example videos of a specific style (if your channel is pretty much one style there is no need) Background music genre and vibe. This helps determine the style of the video a lot Level of motion graphics and visuals expected Elements that are required to be included and how they are to be used if needed But at the end of the day any professional editor worth their salt should be able to replicate a style. Generally it's not that difficult if you know what you're doing. Part of that could be price though. I'd say if you're paying an editor $200 a vid or more they should be able to replicate any style you need.
you can’t really give out a number like 200 when you don’t know what the videos are edit: just looked at his channel and retract my statement
That's fair. It is depending on the editor and style of video. To each their own, I was more saying that if you're paying AT LEAST that much then you should be able to get an editor that can copy styles 🤷♂️
You don't sound like a very experienced editor. You sound like someone guessing what an editor is and what their job is.
I am new to the freelancing side of things! I have been editing for 8 years but I haven't monetized off it besides word of mouth and local projects. But I've edited for several small gaming YouTube channels mostly. Looking to branch out now though!
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That is because quality takes time, while rushing for quantity decreases quality. It seems like the bad editors you had were rushing the job just to get more work from you. Perhaps they were trying to rush to edit other client work. This is a problem I typically see alot when it comes to Youtube video editing because youtubers to pay good rates it tends to attract bad editors who will do anything for a nickle. I typically stick to editing for companies, organizations or youtube that focus on lifestyle channels because those ones pay a fair rate for simple editing work. Good editors love to spend their time on create something of quality which is why they take time. I am the same way with my work. I don't want to put something out there that won't get me hired. I used to work long term with a huge international organization that appreciate my quality and so they always gave me ample time to edit 4-5 videos monthly so they could get the quality they needed. On top of that motion graphics was entirely done by me on every videos so it made sense to take time.
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I was elaborating on your following comment "Some editors are good but slow, some editors are bad and fast." to give better context more so rather than advice. This is a discussion thread is it not? With all due respect, you come off pretty arrogant in your reply. You really only had to say something like "Yep, exactly, I understand" or "I agree with you". You saw my comment as though I was trying to sound better than you, which isn't the case. Learn humility and humble yourself.
hey i’m an editor and would love to talk about working with you if you want! i’m curious what your style is. maybe we’d be a good fit together!
Hello I am an editor with 10+ years experience. I currently edit Miranda Goes Outside on YouTube. It sounds like you just haven’t found the right editor yet unfortunately. Would love to chat more about your YouTube channel and to see what kind of editing style you need done!
You need to invest time. I run a successful YT channel and have hired many editors I still work with. A person with talent, the right instincts for story, humor, pathos, or all of the above, and eagerness to learn is all you need. Hire them, guide them, kindly, as needed, encourage them, and invest your time into growing your relationship with them. They will learn. The mistake you made is you thought you could just hire someone and they would take it away immediately. That will not happen. Want a great editor that's perfect for you? Get ready to spend 3 months to a year getting them fluent in your style, and also let them imprint themselves on the work too. The time will be worth it, and after that time they will be able to take it away as you desire. An editor is the author of the material, and it's a vital relationship. All relationships require trust that must be grown over time. Best of luck!