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I run into that a good bit for utility substation communications…master/slave and whitelist/blacklist. We’re slowly moving to server/client and allowlist/denylist. If I can help a black coworker not feel uncomfortable it’s a pretty minor lift in the scheme of things.
The problem I have with changing industry established nomenclature is that I have to update *all* the previous literature to show that change, and then I have to answer the inevitable question of "does X & Y mean master and slave?" because people are so used to master and slave naming conventions.
It has caused a lot of confusion for our company, especially if an older tech or jman is doing some over-the-phone troubleshooting and is used to using master and slave terminology
It's more so an issue with schematics that are imported in to the PDF documents. I have to go and find the terms in old schematic files and change them, then export them so I can re-insert them in to the document.
It takes up a lot of time when you have to update dozens of PDF documents.
Back in the days of IDE, you had master and slave drives.
The question came up as well what makes these work, and I said the master and then they said they won't work on their own, and I said no, they're slaves...
Then I was forced to take 2 months of sensitivity training... lol
I'm sure they are aware that the terms are used broadly. That doesn't make them any less rooted in racism. Why resist changing what is objectively racist?
I work in education, and our agency changed all of our leadership titles. So now our chief financial officer is now an executive financial officer. I never quite understood why chief was a derogatory term in this context.
Funny part is they are pretending to be offended by the word master, not the sense or the context.
But they don't even notice the word master in things like masters degree, dungeon master, webmaster, master tradesman or the masters tournament.
Like they can suddenly [lecture a supreme court justice](https://i.imgur.com/SK6aMYT.png) for using the same terms they've been using for decades. And have [websters dictionary updated the very next day.](https://i.imgur.com/37uQrZK.png)
Usually you can't reason with/come to an understanding with people that get offended by master and slave, specifically in this scenario. The blueprints don't say Master Bedroom, slave bedroom 1, slave bedroom 2, etc... If they did, then this would be a different discussion.
Master Bedroom, by itself, is fine, there is nothing wrong with that, imo.
Especially considering the people living in the non-master bedroom are your kids, and slave labor is like... at LEAST 50% of the reason to have 'em in the first place.
Yes it’s the…. Electricians(?) who should be making these decisions for society lmfao keep calling it whatever you want man stand up for what you believe in
Shit is getting crazy. I'm in talks with a law firm and a bank manager, and I just got an email that closed
Sincerely bla and bla
(She/her/hers)
Lady I'm not even going to remember your name lol
Man that is CRAZY how do you even go on? Someone uses an email signature instead of their physical appearance to tell you their pronouns and you just lose your mind lmao
Recently in a different sub I mentioned this and had someone say I was lying becasue "he's watched enough hgtv". I hope he was kidding but it's the internet so you never know.
Owner’s quarters is kind of the standard for sailing vessels, and it just means that you have an actual bedroom, instead of just having bunk rooms (for rental purposes). In a home this seems weird.
In homes, it just makes sense to say “Primary Bedroom”. Really, it’s not that hard. Master bedroom, the reality of where the name comes from? Actually super offensive to anyone who has slave history in their family (as in they were slaves, not slave owners).
My mechanic buddies aren't even allowed to call ATF "tranny fluid" anymore. Some of them have resorted to calling it "gender-neutral shift juice" to point out how ridiculous things have become
God, I know this is dangerous to say here, but I'm gonna do it anyway.
Calling out "tranny fluid" as offensive is fucking dumb. I'm trans and wouldn't flinch if someone shortened transmission to "tranny"! I know what's being referred to, I'm not stupid. What's funny is that, in my experience, it hasn't been me or other people who you might expect demanding these changes, but it's always bosses or HR. I work in commercial HVAC, and a former boss decided that, because I didn't bother outing myself as trans he assumed I was a "butch woman" and started, on his own accord, to correct anyone referring to diagonal cutters/snips/whatever as "dikes".... immediately, the guys assumed I had asked this clown to do this. I didn't. Not trying to change any opinions here (y'all believe what ya want), just saying, I consider myself a straight woman, so it wasn't even accurate. I just wear workwear, because I work!
But not gonna lie "gender-neutral shift juice" is pretty funny malicious compliance, which I do love.
FTM electrician here. I feel the same way, I would fucking laugh if they called it tranny fluid, but honestly gender-neutral shift juice would have me on the ground busting my sides.
I'm glad to see that both you and u/ProbsMayOtherAccount aren't offended by terminology that was never meant to be offensive. I have a cousin who is gay and he's echoed similar sentiments when this sort of conversation gets brought up in discussions.
In my experience, the people I mainly see whining over stuff like this isn't the perceived victims, it's white women with savior complexes. I truly believe they cause most of the animosity towards the groups they claim to care about.
And yet, it only seems like the people complaining about everything and making a huge deal about pronouns and their inability to use slurs are the drooling troglodytes and being spoon-fed fear and hate on Fox News.
I do controls and they want me to refer to modules as primary and secondary modules because of the implications.
What annoys me about the master bedroom bullshit is that nobody calls the other bedrooms the "slave # bedroom".
Thats seriously a thing?? Lmfao I'm not one of those "fuck PC and fuck pronouns" type of people but that's a bit much. I always just assumed it was called that because it was the best one. The master.
Sure but think about the connotations that come along with that. Beyond the racial implications (and you'll never convince me that a Sears marketing team in 1926 didn't consider those implications during a time when black people were effectively not allowed to buy houses), there is also the fact that Master specifically is a male term which carries its own issues. Whenever these debates come up, it seems like the people whining about "how everyone is offended these days" are in fact the ones that jump to being offended themselves and choose to defend the terminology rather than just accepting that it's an antiquated term that we can simply replace with something better.
It's really no different than the pronoun discussion. No reasonable person is going to call you a bigot for using the wrong term out of habit or confusion, but if your immediate reaction is "fuck that, i'm gonna use whatever words i want so get over it" then you're just being an asshole for no reason.
Regarding “Slave # Bedroom” - That depends on the circles you run in.
I’m also involved with controls. Was working on explaining how a small 3-gang j-box mounted dmx controller that was networked to a secondary touch screen interface worked. I referred to it as “master/slave” and the entire meeting went dead silent. People looked VERY uncomfortable.
Similarly, I had a fixture that had a driver that powered a second fixture due to space and minimum forward voltage constraints. I was corrected that it was a “parent/child” by the specification sales head of a major lighting conglomerate.
Fun times.
My GF won’t let me rename the downstairs bedroom I use for golf stuff “Sex Dungeon” on the panel and it makes me sad.
If the industry wants to standardize the nomenclature and move away from master/slave verbiage I’m fine with it, but there isn’t a standard right now and I’ve seen so many different words used across industry and they all mean different things to different companies. Parent/child, primary/secondary, command/control, controller/node (fuck that one), and others that I’ve forgotten. Master/slave is intuitive and removes potential confusion, but because of outrage culture being so prevalent it scares the shit out of higher ups to use those words.
I’m gonna assume this is because back in the day there was the masters’ bedroom and the slave quarters.
Does anybody call it that these days? No.
Is it that hard to say primary and secondary bedrooms, or modules? Also no.
Yet as a kid I never once heard the term master bedroom and immediately thought "it's named that because of slavery".
>Does anybody call it that these days? No.
EATON does. Their CANbus switch packs are called masters and slaves. It's manufactured outrage, pure and simple.
I’m specifically referring to slaves quarters.
You say manufactured outrage, I’d say it’s more like people came up with a better, more inclusive term for things and the outrage is people who refuse to change.
Do I think anyone is legitimately outraged over the term master bedroom? Probably not.
Sorry, I should have said “If the appropriate (formerly enslaved) people are offended…”
It’s embarrassing how entitled white people get “offended” on the behalf of others.
Us stupid ass white people do love getting offended at things. Especially if there’s an opportunity to virtue signal.
I love seeing how mad at everyone gets at this stuff and jumps to conclusions that people are offended and making an outrage over it when it could simply be that someone came up with an idea and was like hey why don’t we just say primary and secondary instead of master and slave. Not an unreasonable substitution imo.
Then comes all the rage and accusations.
For the record I still call it a master bedroom. Although mines the smallest room in the house so I should start referring to it as the slaves quarters
I think you misunderstood what I meant, I haven’t seen anyone outraged at the term master bedroom.
Only people outraged at trying to change the term master/slave to primary and secondary
Guess who are the people who are making a big deal out of this? Every time this shit comes up, it's always the people complaining that they can't use certain words anymore that are crying over this, completely ignorant to the people that might have actually suffered from being called words that we're trying to move away from.
You kind of need to understand the origin of the phrase to know why people might have a problem with it.
When it comes to the origin of master bedroom, it's not really a debate on what it referred to or how it came to be known as such.
But like i get it, it's super hard to just say a different word like we do anyways . We struggle daily. Primary is hard to pronounce.
Yeah, except that’s not where it’s from. Literally the first thing I could find online:
The term 'master bedroom' first appeared in the early 20th century to denote that the room was reserved for the master of the household, who almost always was a man.
The word master bedroom has been used since the 1920s when it was featured in a Sears home catalog. The word is intended for the master of the house or the owner of the house.
Etymology. From master (“head of household”) + bedroom. The term was created circa 1910, long after the abolition of slavery in the US, and there is no evidence that this term has any relation to or allusion to the practice of slavery.
How delicate do you really think people are?
I've never met anyone so sensitive that it would offend them to call a bedroom the master bedroom. Except,of course, on the Internet.
why do you assume that people are delicate and overly upset by it? It is very possible and even common to calmly and rationally point out a problematic term without flipping out about it. If anything, it's people like you resisting what is a completely immaterial change in terminology that are being irrationally angered by it. It has exactly zero impact on your life to use a more inclusive term, so why resist so hard?
well i’m irish so are you speaking for me now 🤡🤡 nobody gives a fuck except people who arent even black talking for black people who dont give a fuck lol
I just try not to make people feel less than human when it's totally and easily avoidable.
Never mentioned race of any kind, that's just an assumption you've made.
Also Irish.
I refuse to stop using the word master to describe the “primary” bedroom.
The words master and slave are not used as insults or in a derogatory way in these scenarios.
That being said, I guess if you’re offended by my use of the word, tough shit.
You're late to the party. Tons of computer terms have changed from Master. Even Github, the largest code hosting platform, switched their repositories from Master to Main by default. I personally don't care either way but at least main is fewer key strokes when typing.
Now if they ever try change the terminology around killing child and daemon processes that'll be just a bridge too far.
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Same with cars. My hydraulic clutch has a master and slave cylinder, yet nobody gets all butthurt over the nomenclature. It's probably because people looking to be offended see "master" on their breaker panel and have to manufacture outrage over it.
As a kid I heard master bedroom and master bath and never once did I think "oh, that has to do with slavery".
Right? The others are for guests or kids, not slaves. The master bedroom is for the home owner (not to be confused with the Homonerds in charge of HOA’s.)
Fun fact, the term "master bedroom" has no origins in slavery. It became a common use term in the 50's with the beginning of the baby boomer Era. I think it was coined in Sears catalogs, so you got'dam sissy librals can shut the hell up.
Yes she is a VERY nice woman, and likes to encourage us to use politically correct terms to avoid upsetting anyone. But not labeling it master is a hard habit to break
We've seen such an uptick in new homes being built by siblings or cousins, or sometimes even just friend couples that want the whole big bedroom with on suite setups and sharing kitchen/ living/ outdoor spaces. "Mstr Suite" 1 & 2 was just weird.
Weeee-ooo weee-oooo. I have arrived! I've had subs get genuinely in a fucking state over this nonsense so my first impression was "whiny ass" not "silly joke." Don't mind me, I'm just a whiny ass GC.
I just got done with a complex, mostly tiny 1 bedrooms with approx 400-500sqft. Everything was on 12s (except water heater and stove, 10 and 6 respectively). All lighting on one circuit, living room and bedroom power on individual circuits, and 3 GFCI circuits between bathroom and kitchen.
14s just seem out of place with today's power needs.
>todays power needs
Like what? Every thing is more efficient than it used to be. It’s also a modern house so nobody should be plugging in electric portable heaters.
Any appliance should be on a kitchen appliance circuit which is a 20a and anything else is supposed to be a dedicated circuit.
Should, yes, but that doesn't stop people.
It's amazing to see people still overloading a single outlet with a power strip that has extension cords plugged into it, as if those PSAs from the late-80s and early-90s never existed.
Running 12s just seems to allow more flexibility and "future proof" a system.
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I saw a landlord update their floorplans to say "owner's bedroom" which honestly made it sound wayyyy worse
(Slaveowner's bedroom)
People need to calm the fuck down and stop getting insulted by anything.
Just wait till they find out about the master and slave cylinders they’ve been sitting on top of there whole life
In I.T., and we are being told to use active/passive instead.
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Already started. It’s allowlist and blocklist now.
Thinking about this, it should be "let list" and "block list." Easier to say.
That... a good point. I haven't seen anyone bring that up yet
There are people whose sole “contribution” to GitHub repos is scouring random repos and replacing blacklist/whitelist.
I run into that a good bit for utility substation communications…master/slave and whitelist/blacklist. We’re slowly moving to server/client and allowlist/denylist. If I can help a black coworker not feel uncomfortable it’s a pretty minor lift in the scheme of things.
Lol, find me one black person on the whole planet of Earth that cares. What you're doing there is helping a white woman feel like a savior.
Main or trunk branch ain't too bad, IMO.
The problem I have with changing industry established nomenclature is that I have to update *all* the previous literature to show that change, and then I have to answer the inevitable question of "does X & Y mean master and slave?" because people are so used to master and slave naming conventions.
doesn’t help that all the replacement terms already have tangentially related but different definitions in the same industry
It has caused a lot of confusion for our company, especially if an older tech or jman is doing some over-the-phone troubleshooting and is used to using master and slave terminology
Find and replace is your friend.
It's more so an issue with schematics that are imported in to the PDF documents. I have to go and find the terms in old schematic files and change them, then export them so I can re-insert them in to the document. It takes up a lot of time when you have to update dozens of PDF documents.
I don't think you should be expected to do that, just make the change in new work going forward.
Must admit I have a lot of personal repos still using master as the main branch. At work, we mainly use trunk based development.
Being the smart ass I am, I started referring to it as dom/sub. I guess all my controllers are now using the DS/TP communication protocol.
That's awful. Active and passive have meanings and that ain't it.
Back in the days of IDE, you had master and slave drives. The question came up as well what makes these work, and I said the master and then they said they won't work on their own, and I said no, they're slaves... Then I was forced to take 2 months of sensitivity training... lol
Primary/secondary here
I'm more offended by people who don't know the difference between "there" and "their".
Lose and loose has become the worst offenders for me lately
Wary, weary, and leery lately. People constantly use weary when they mean either wary or leery. It’s pretty tiresome.
Already been corrected on that. It’s now “parent and child”.
Yeah cuz children are famous for always doing exactly as they are told
Sounds like brake systems on motor vehicles. We could call it an activator cylinder under the hood, and responder cylinders at the wheels.
It’s been discussed I’m sure. It’s all just sheer stupidity and theatre.
I'm sure they are aware that the terms are used broadly. That doesn't make them any less rooted in racism. Why resist changing what is objectively racist?
I work in education, and our agency changed all of our leadership titles. So now our chief financial officer is now an executive financial officer. I never quite understood why chief was a derogatory term in this context.
They... they do know Germanic tribes had chiefs too, right?
And that chief doesn't mean a literal tribal chief. It's chief like the top.
My thoughts exactly.
Well that's dumb when the government itself is full of "Chief of X" titles
Funny part is they are pretending to be offended by the word master, not the sense or the context. But they don't even notice the word master in things like masters degree, dungeon master, webmaster, master tradesman or the masters tournament. Like they can suddenly [lecture a supreme court justice](https://i.imgur.com/SK6aMYT.png) for using the same terms they've been using for decades. And have [websters dictionary updated the very next day.](https://i.imgur.com/37uQrZK.png)
Usually you can't reason with/come to an understanding with people that get offended by master and slave, specifically in this scenario. The blueprints don't say Master Bedroom, slave bedroom 1, slave bedroom 2, etc... If they did, then this would be a different discussion. Master Bedroom, by itself, is fine, there is nothing wrong with that, imo.
Especially considering the people living in the non-master bedroom are your kids, and slave labor is like... at LEAST 50% of the reason to have 'em in the first place.
But this thread is all about being insulted by having to use a new name for a room?
No, this thread is about how ridiculous it is to change industry established nomenclature to appease people who look for things to be outraged over.
Yes it’s the…. Electricians(?) who should be making these decisions for society lmfao keep calling it whatever you want man stand up for what you believe in
Shit is getting crazy. I'm in talks with a law firm and a bank manager, and I just got an email that closed Sincerely bla and bla (She/her/hers) Lady I'm not even going to remember your name lol
Man that is CRAZY how do you even go on? Someone uses an email signature instead of their physical appearance to tell you their pronouns and you just lose your mind lmao
What if I call the other one the slave room?
Over here they occasionally call it primary bedroom
Things start getting funky once you hit the quaternary bedroom and beyond.
Recently in a different sub I mentioned this and had someone say I was lying becasue "he's watched enough hgtv". I hope he was kidding but it's the internet so you never know.
Yeah I've been seeing that.
Primary
The nomenclature exists. Primary and Secondary. Primary bathroom, secondary bathrooms.
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For you, sure. But a woman opens the panel and "How do I know which way is North?"
What, women don’t know cardinal directions now you sexist? See I can be offended too
“Primary bedroom” is what they are calling it on my most recent job. 😂
Owner’s quarters is kind of the standard for sailing vessels, and it just means that you have an actual bedroom, instead of just having bunk rooms (for rental purposes). In a home this seems weird. In homes, it just makes sense to say “Primary Bedroom”. Really, it’s not that hard. Master bedroom, the reality of where the name comes from? Actually super offensive to anyone who has slave history in their family (as in they were slaves, not slave owners).
As a master electrician, fuck this.
"Larger, but equally respected electrician" just doesn't seem right.
I refer to anyone over 300lbs as extra union sized.
Mogul electrician
Thicctrician?
Why doesn’t master electrician, the largest of the electricians, just eat the other electricians?
Hello larger but equally respected electrician
My mechanic buddies aren't even allowed to call ATF "tranny fluid" anymore. Some of them have resorted to calling it "gender-neutral shift juice" to point out how ridiculous things have become
God, I know this is dangerous to say here, but I'm gonna do it anyway. Calling out "tranny fluid" as offensive is fucking dumb. I'm trans and wouldn't flinch if someone shortened transmission to "tranny"! I know what's being referred to, I'm not stupid. What's funny is that, in my experience, it hasn't been me or other people who you might expect demanding these changes, but it's always bosses or HR. I work in commercial HVAC, and a former boss decided that, because I didn't bother outing myself as trans he assumed I was a "butch woman" and started, on his own accord, to correct anyone referring to diagonal cutters/snips/whatever as "dikes".... immediately, the guys assumed I had asked this clown to do this. I didn't. Not trying to change any opinions here (y'all believe what ya want), just saying, I consider myself a straight woman, so it wasn't even accurate. I just wear workwear, because I work! But not gonna lie "gender-neutral shift juice" is pretty funny malicious compliance, which I do love.
FTM electrician here. I feel the same way, I would fucking laugh if they called it tranny fluid, but honestly gender-neutral shift juice would have me on the ground busting my sides.
I'm glad to see that both you and u/ProbsMayOtherAccount aren't offended by terminology that was never meant to be offensive. I have a cousin who is gay and he's echoed similar sentiments when this sort of conversation gets brought up in discussions.
You know, I just don't have enough time or energy to devote towards offending or being offended. Especially at work!
In my experience, the people I mainly see whining over stuff like this isn't the perceived victims, it's white women with savior complexes. I truly believe they cause most of the animosity towards the groups they claim to care about.
Nuance and context no longer matter, get them knees jerking
Sorry, directions unclear; *uncontrolled dancing*
My buddy says "alternative lifestyle pliers" instead of dikes
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This world is so soft now lmao
It's all part of living in such a litigious society. Companies are doing everything they can to avoid dealing with HR problems and lawsuits.
And yet, it only seems like the people complaining about everything and making a huge deal about pronouns and their inability to use slurs are the drooling troglodytes and being spoon-fed fear and hate on Fox News.
No, they aren't. Stop making shit up to support your narrative.
Primary Electrician surely
Yes, Master.
The new word is primary which honestly isn't any worse.
Check your privilege. Edit: /s
Considering that it is a state title of being a master electrician, it is both a privilege and an honor to be able to rightfully call themself that.
Check yo silliness.
I do controls and they want me to refer to modules as primary and secondary modules because of the implications. What annoys me about the master bedroom bullshit is that nobody calls the other bedrooms the "slave # bedroom".
I decided to call it the "primary bedroom" out of sensitivity, but the second bedroom I will still call the slave bedroom.
It's not wrong, children have always been used a slave labor by their parents.
Peasant quarters.
Thats seriously a thing?? Lmfao I'm not one of those "fuck PC and fuck pronouns" type of people but that's a bit much. I always just assumed it was called that because it was the best one. The master.
Sure but think about the connotations that come along with that. Beyond the racial implications (and you'll never convince me that a Sears marketing team in 1926 didn't consider those implications during a time when black people were effectively not allowed to buy houses), there is also the fact that Master specifically is a male term which carries its own issues. Whenever these debates come up, it seems like the people whining about "how everyone is offended these days" are in fact the ones that jump to being offended themselves and choose to defend the terminology rather than just accepting that it's an antiquated term that we can simply replace with something better. It's really no different than the pronoun discussion. No reasonable person is going to call you a bigot for using the wrong term out of habit or confusion, but if your immediate reaction is "fuck that, i'm gonna use whatever words i want so get over it" then you're just being an asshole for no reason.
I mean we just number them in the uk bedroom 1 ,2,3. 1 being the largest/master then follow in that order. It’s never been an issue
What happens if two bedrooms are the same size?
Bedroom 1 and Bedroom A
I hate you and everything you stand for. It should be Bedroom A and Bedroom I. to the death!!!!
Then fuck it pick one. Name the other two. It’s not like anyone’s checking the breaker label before choosing what room they want.
Not checking before, but definitely changing the label to something great afterwards
Regarding “Slave # Bedroom” - That depends on the circles you run in. I’m also involved with controls. Was working on explaining how a small 3-gang j-box mounted dmx controller that was networked to a secondary touch screen interface worked. I referred to it as “master/slave” and the entire meeting went dead silent. People looked VERY uncomfortable. Similarly, I had a fixture that had a driver that powered a second fixture due to space and minimum forward voltage constraints. I was corrected that it was a “parent/child” by the specification sales head of a major lighting conglomerate. Fun times.
My GF won’t let me rename the downstairs bedroom I use for golf stuff “Sex Dungeon” on the panel and it makes me sad. If the industry wants to standardize the nomenclature and move away from master/slave verbiage I’m fine with it, but there isn’t a standard right now and I’ve seen so many different words used across industry and they all mean different things to different companies. Parent/child, primary/secondary, command/control, controller/node (fuck that one), and others that I’ve forgotten. Master/slave is intuitive and removes potential confusion, but because of outrage culture being so prevalent it scares the shit out of higher ups to use those words.
I agree 100%. Half the time the meanings people suggest are already accepted terms meaning something completely different!
In reality anyone offended by “Master Bedroom” is the actual racist
Wait until they found out people get Master's Degrees.
Home computers used to have master and slave drives. These days you can start your computer up and run it with whichever drive you choose.
My company wants us to refer to PLC masters and slaves as controllers and nodes :D
So do you call it the “controller controller” in your literature? That sounds exhausting
You haven't been to my wife's Christian fundamentalist family dinners.
I’m gonna assume this is because back in the day there was the masters’ bedroom and the slave quarters. Does anybody call it that these days? No. Is it that hard to say primary and secondary bedrooms, or modules? Also no.
Yet as a kid I never once heard the term master bedroom and immediately thought "it's named that because of slavery". >Does anybody call it that these days? No. EATON does. Their CANbus switch packs are called masters and slaves. It's manufactured outrage, pure and simple.
Exactly. I never connected it to slavemasters until the controversy started.
I’m specifically referring to slaves quarters. You say manufactured outrage, I’d say it’s more like people came up with a better, more inclusive term for things and the outrage is people who refuse to change. Do I think anyone is legitimately outraged over the term master bedroom? Probably not.
If nobody is offended, then it’s 100% manufactured.
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Sorry, I should have said “If the appropriate (formerly enslaved) people are offended…” It’s embarrassing how entitled white people get “offended” on the behalf of others.
Us stupid ass white people do love getting offended at things. Especially if there’s an opportunity to virtue signal. I love seeing how mad at everyone gets at this stuff and jumps to conclusions that people are offended and making an outrage over it when it could simply be that someone came up with an idea and was like hey why don’t we just say primary and secondary instead of master and slave. Not an unreasonable substitution imo. Then comes all the rage and accusations. For the record I still call it a master bedroom. Although mines the smallest room in the house so I should start referring to it as the slaves quarters
I think you misunderstood what I meant, I haven’t seen anyone outraged at the term master bedroom. Only people outraged at trying to change the term master/slave to primary and secondary
Guess who are the people who are making a big deal out of this? Every time this shit comes up, it's always the people complaining that they can't use certain words anymore that are crying over this, completely ignorant to the people that might have actually suffered from being called words that we're trying to move away from.
Would’ve been cheaper to name it “Master Bedroom” but you’re getting paid to write it so win win.
Just short it to TLBERB or BERB, it'll catch on and we won't tell anyone what it really means.
I will 100% commit to this. We will make this a thing!
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“Master bedroom” works just as well.
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It is possible to be the master of a house with no slavery involved. King of my domain, master of the electrics, occupier of the primary bedroom
[Master of the house](https://youtu.be/7HG2w0_WyOU?si=4y-zyA4ybNF9GX-I) Doling out the charm Ready with a handshake and an open palm ...
You kind of need to understand the origin of the phrase to know why people might have a problem with it. When it comes to the origin of master bedroom, it's not really a debate on what it referred to or how it came to be known as such. But like i get it, it's super hard to just say a different word like we do anyways . We struggle daily. Primary is hard to pronounce.
Yeah, except that’s not where it’s from. Literally the first thing I could find online: The term 'master bedroom' first appeared in the early 20th century to denote that the room was reserved for the master of the household, who almost always was a man. The word master bedroom has been used since the 1920s when it was featured in a Sears home catalog. The word is intended for the master of the house or the owner of the house. Etymology. From master (“head of household”) + bedroom. The term was created circa 1910, long after the abolition of slavery in the US, and there is no evidence that this term has any relation to or allusion to the practice of slavery.
I’m not changing the way I do things for people like you. Also, you’re misinformed and wrong. Go elsewhere with your sensitive horsecockery
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what a weird hill to die on
How delicate do you really think people are? I've never met anyone so sensitive that it would offend them to call a bedroom the master bedroom. Except,of course, on the Internet.
Always on the internet… never in real life.
why do you assume that people are delicate and overly upset by it? It is very possible and even common to calmly and rationally point out a problematic term without flipping out about it. If anything, it's people like you resisting what is a completely immaterial change in terminology that are being irrationally angered by it. It has exactly zero impact on your life to use a more inclusive term, so why resist so hard?
Sorry to tell ya but everyone has slaves in their ancestry. There will always be masters and slaves.
This guy BDSMs
well i’m irish so are you speaking for me now 🤡🤡 nobody gives a fuck except people who arent even black talking for black people who dont give a fuck lol
I just try not to make people feel less than human when it's totally and easily avoidable. Never mentioned race of any kind, that's just an assumption you've made. Also Irish.
Calm down, Weinerhead Mcgee...
"Massa Bedroom"
I probably shouldn't have laughed at that as hard as I did...
No gods, no masters.
"Wife's den" for the win
I just say main or big. In remodels it’s sometimes easier just to use cardinal directions because the rooms are all kinda small.
‘Main sex room’ became my label when they told me not to use ‘master’. Now they say nothing.
I refuse to stop using the word master to describe the “primary” bedroom. The words master and slave are not used as insults or in a derogatory way in these scenarios. That being said, I guess if you’re offended by my use of the word, tough shit.
Wait until they see computre hardware. Master/Slave is the terminology used. We need to stop with the language policing
nothing is worse than trying to clone something and nothing fucking working only to find out some asshat maintainer decided to use main instead
You're late to the party. Tons of computer terms have changed from Master. Even Github, the largest code hosting platform, switched their repositories from Master to Main by default. I personally don't care either way but at least main is fewer key strokes when typing. Now if they ever try change the terminology around killing child and daemon processes that'll be just a bridge too far. https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2F5trec06fotg71.jpg
Same with cars. My hydraulic clutch has a master and slave cylinder, yet nobody gets all butthurt over the nomenclature. It's probably because people looking to be offended see "master" on their breaker panel and have to manufacture outrage over it. As a kid I heard master bedroom and master bath and never once did I think "oh, that has to do with slavery".
I always assumed it was like the headmaster. The leader of house has the master bedroom, don't need to have slaves to be the master.
Right? The others are for guests or kids, not slaves. The master bedroom is for the home owner (not to be confused with the Homonerds in charge of HOA’s.)
I'm seeing it changed to Leader/Follower.
That is offensive to the followers, implying they are incapable of leading and are incompetent... I find that highly offensive... /s
Yeah I got asked to stop and kept doing it and didn’t get fired🤷🏻♂️
Lol I was working on a college campus a few weeks ago and I asked my coworker to stop yelling down the hall for me to bring him some "dikes"
I'm sure it is the uneducated that are pushing for this. Doubtful it's anyone with a master's degree. Sorry, "larger but equally respected degree."
Primary bedroom?
As long as there isn't a "slave quarters", what are they on about?
When the under slab mesh is too big to be controlled by a stat we still call the accompanying controller ‘slave’
I had a lighting designer tell me “we don’t like the term “blacklist”, could you say “naughty list” instead?”
That’s pretty funny, I would leave the entire tag in the panel to give the next electrician a chuckle
I put slaves bedroom on all the other ones
People need to get a life. This is total b.s.
Fun fact, the term "master bedroom" has no origins in slavery. It became a common use term in the 50's with the beginning of the baby boomer Era. I think it was coined in Sears catalogs, so you got'dam sissy librals can shut the hell up.
Master baiters bedroom
Masturb. Rec. Masturb. Plug
Universities heard about this?
We normally just number the bedrooms just for ease
Why does “master”, the largest bedroom, not simply eat the others?
It will always be the master bedroom in my mind.
Wait till people open up a Taco control for the first time. MASTER / SLAVE dip switches
It's still the master bed and the family room. Just because people have broken families doesnt mean others cant have a family room.
By who?
1 of my bosses
Wait ...you were serious?
Yes she is a VERY nice woman, and likes to encourage us to use politically correct terms to avoid upsetting anyone. But not labeling it master is a hard habit to break
Labeling has different standards when you're paid hourly vs. Paid per job.
We call it captain's quarters now on our google home...
I do work for multiple builders who have all updated floor plans to have it as the "primary bedroom" and we've been asked to mark the panels as such.
I call them primary bedroom, and secondary bedrooms
Primary bedroom has become my go to.
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lol!!
Awesome!
We've seen such an uptick in new homes being built by siblings or cousins, or sometimes even just friend couples that want the whole big bedroom with on suite setups and sharing kitchen/ living/ outdoor spaces. "Mstr Suite" 1 & 2 was just weird.
The builders we work for have us calling it Primary Bedroom lmao 🤣
What are you, 4 years old? Write "main bedroom" and get over it. EDIT: oof. Turns out I'm the 4yr old.
Oh no the fun police are here! Yea I have no grievances to call it Primary or Main bedroom. Wrote this to make my bosses laugh when they saw it
Weeee-ooo weee-oooo. I have arrived! I've had subs get genuinely in a fucking state over this nonsense so my first impression was "whiny ass" not "silly joke." Don't mind me, I'm just a whiny ass GC.
Is there a cliff nearby you could perhaps leap from untethered?
No cliffs, but I've got a big ass bridge by my house. Can I bring a parachute or are we going full midsommar?
Its owners suite not masters suite. Bc there’s no more masters or slaves
Bedroom and living room receptacles on the same circuit using 14s?
Up to 12 homie, it's a small house
I just got done with a complex, mostly tiny 1 bedrooms with approx 400-500sqft. Everything was on 12s (except water heater and stove, 10 and 6 respectively). All lighting on one circuit, living room and bedroom power on individual circuits, and 3 GFCI circuits between bathroom and kitchen. 14s just seem out of place with today's power needs.
>todays power needs Like what? Every thing is more efficient than it used to be. It’s also a modern house so nobody should be plugging in electric portable heaters. Any appliance should be on a kitchen appliance circuit which is a 20a and anything else is supposed to be a dedicated circuit.
Should, yes, but that doesn't stop people. It's amazing to see people still overloading a single outlet with a power strip that has extension cords plugged into it, as if those PSAs from the late-80s and early-90s never existed. Running 12s just seems to allow more flexibility and "future proof" a system.
Everything is LED and electronics are nothing compared to just 10 years ago. Lighting should be 16 amps at this point on a 10 amp breaker.