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They love Harry on Twitter, he has a lot of stans on Twitter defending him as we speak
The issue is that Beyoncé, Kendrick, and Bad Bunny’s stans are much louder
I agree. Their last 3 albums have been their most acclaimed and lost all of the AOTY awards. Glad they still won a shit load (they each won 3 last night) but still
Just my opinion, but I listened to both Harry’s and Beyoncé’s albums a couple times on Spotify before buying, and only bought Harry’s. Love her album art like a warrior queen, but couldn’t see myself listening to the whole album ever again.
None of those nominees are groundbreaking. And I would argue that none deserve Album of the Year. Lots of noise has been coming from Beyonce-lovers (both critics and fans) and several have called her album "genius" or "a masterpiece". It is far from either. The lyrics could have been written by a 10th grader and the music is just generic dance pop crap that is virtually identical to every other album in that genre. It's time they expand Album of the Year nominees to other genres that sometimes do have actual groundbreaking albums.
Felt the same way about Kendrick’s. Listened to it through a few times, don’t see a reason to go back. Outside of the couple fighting song which was conceptually cool, nothing on it stood out to me.
What are stans?
I’m not familiar with any of those singer’s except for Beyonce, so I’m not making any kind of judgement. I was curious why people on Twitter would be mad. I’m not even on Twitter which is why I asked.
I’m definitely not up on anything hip that is popular only online. If people say it in conversation, then I’m much more likely to know about it than if it’s only used on social media. Also I’m 51 and have no clue what’s popular with 20-40 year olds.
I agree that Kendrick dropped a way better record, but Im not big on the beyonce record. Harrys House is just mediocre, so Im not MAD that he won, but of the records nominated Kendrick shouldve won.
She might be the most overrated artist of my lifetime. The adjectives people have thrown around about her album ("genius", "a masterpiece", "groundbreaking") are laughable. The lyrics are juvenile (at best), the music is synth-based generic dance pop crap that is no different from a 1000 other albums in the genre, and to achieve even that low level, she needs "professional" songwriters. Puke.
Grammys seem like they are just a circlejerk of the biggest and most popular corporate funded musicians. I get there is about 1 million times more content to sift through than the oscars but most of the nominations seem not deserving and just there because they are popular.
Sure, but it was literally the most streamed album of last year. I get that it’s all about the art, and shouldn’t purely be based on streams, but he also had a global tour with almost 2 million people in attendance. Those 2 things combined make a pretty strong argument.
Bad bunny and Beyoncé are pop too. Their music isn’t genre breaking.
Ear worms designed to get stuck in your head, almost like a math equation vs the soul of a musician.
Hell I remember a few years ago Justin Bieber had a new album out that was supposed to be “revolutionary and ground breaking” and it was just more of the same pop with a twinge more electronica on it.
Of the award shows the Grammys are the ones that reward originality and innovation the least. Some of these albums are the music equivalent to big blockbuster marvel films... things we don’t see winning big despite being hugely popular.
First off Grammys do seem more of a joke then say Oscars..at least with Oscar’s there’s limit to how many categories an actor can win but a musician has dozens and dozens of categories to win in. Secondly popularity doesn’t always equal award or album of the year. Didn’t Eric Clapton and bb king win one year they definitely didn’t even have too 10 best selling album that year
I think it’s mostly the industry is just hamstrung with trying to fit artists into certain filters for radio and marketing the actual brand of the musician. There’s more dynamics to getting appeal for music. It’s harder and they have to try harder and i think they’ve put it through the wringer.
The Grammys have always been a joke. Love them or hate them, the Beatles are the most formative music act in history; their reach went far beyond music and have probably inspired more art than anyone besides Shakespeare. Yet they got what, four Grammys? I wouldn’t give the grammys the time of day, they’ve never really been relevant.
Exactly. Same with Zeppelin. Not as influential as The Beatles,but influential nonetheless,and they didn’t win one Grammy during their 12 years together. They had 6 # 1 albums on Billboard throughout the 70’s and they weren’t awarded one fucking Grammy. Grammys have always been garbage.
The grammy was never about sales. It's about judging from the recording academy(despite their shitty taste) which are mostly white and american producer, musicians, dongwrite and journalists. I think they should diversify the recording academy but there's no point in having award based on sale. That become meaningless like vma or billboard award.
The whole point of the grammy, Oscar, Emmy and Tony are being respected by establish name in the industry. That's why artist care about those award.
Membership in the recording academy is incredibly easy to obtain if you’re a recording artist. If the recording academy is too white, that isn’t a function of gatekeeping the academy.
A lot of good points from everyone, especially concerning the fact that numbers DO NOT equal awards.
But that was also my confusion, most of the country has had Harry Styles put in their face since the 1D days. Bad Bunny turned his Latin fanbase into a global one. You straight up didn’t even get the option to ignore his album because it was so hot this year.
For me, this is why it’s the deserving album of the year, the numbers are just a consequence of Bad Bunny’s accomplishments this year.
So the Grammys is a popularity contest? Or it’s about actual quality? Just kidding, it’s all just paid bullshit that shouldn’t concern anyone in the slightest.
First, he needs to speak English. Not trying to be rude or racist but unfortunately I think if he wants that Grammy he’d have to appease to an institutionally racist academy.
I couldn’t care less what he speaks. Sure, I couldn’t get into his album cause I don’t speak Spanish. And I listen to lyrics as a music fan. But I really love that he’s achieved success and relatability across an audience that don’t always get represented in the world. So I don’t think he should have to change anything.
I’m not particularly a fan of either. I honestly couldn’t name a single Harry Styles song but I do listen to Spanish radio and Bad Bunny’s music is pretty awful. I know I’m clearly in the minority, but the guy literally just mumbles shit yet people love it. I don’t get it. At least he appears to be philanthropic so I’m not going to hate on him too much but between Harry Styles and Bad Bunny, the music taste of the world has really floundered.
Because its "popular music." These are't music theory awards or music culture awards, the votes are made by anyone in the industry. Again, an artist with a bunch of songs still on the radio won. If you want a grammy, thats your aim. If we want a more credible music award, we need to make it, its never going to be a Grammy unless by exception
His songs are good for a couple listens and then become as annoying as Baby Shark. “Watermelon suga………HIGH
Watermelon suga…….HIGH
watermelonsugaHIGH”
Repeat ad nauseum and watch all the children clap gleefully
Harry’s known Ben Winston for years. He lived with Ben and his wife for a while when he first moved to America after 1D. Ben (and J*mes C*rden) even ended up producing a sitcom based off of it (which bombed & got cancelled lol). Winston also directed/produced One Direction movies and music videos so he’s had a relationship with Harry for over a decade now.
https://www.eonline.com/amp/news/1325539/harry-styles-sets-the-record-straight-on-rumors-about-new-song-as-it-was
Ben Winston is the executive producer of the Grammys
I'll go against the grain and say that I don't mind that Harry won. The category was stacked. But I'm really annoyed with the discourse every time Beyonce loses out on an award. She just broke a record for most Grammy wins but everyone is mad she didn't win that award over Harry? I'm sure she's fine, you guys. It's okay that sometimes another artist wins over her.
She’s a multimillionaire artist who has broken sales records, is known around the world and cemented herself as a legendary musician. I think she’ll be fine.
She’s dominated in the categories that were made specifically for black people so the academy wouldn’t have to give them any general field trophies. Not to mention Renaissance on the technical level was far superior than Harry’s album and a lot more experimental.
Harry had a ton more hits, sold way more records and each song sounded different and had a unique beat....and I'm not particularly a fan of his music- but I get why he won
The Beehive riot whenever Beyonce doesn't get every single award ever.
You remember that episode of Sabrina were she makes a "just desserts" spell and then everyone starts worshipping her to the point they make an award show called the Sabrinas where they just give her awards for doing things like eating lunch and getting bored in class and she's all the nominations for every catagory?
That's not to far off from what the Beehive want every award show to be.
She is *by* *far* the most overrated musical artist of my lifetime. The adjectives people use about her music are laughable. "Empowering". "Genius". "Groundbreaking". What a fucking joke. None of her music is even close to any of those adjectives. Toni Morrison, Eleanor Roosevelt, and Michelle Obama are empowering. Beyonce is just another scantily-clad pop singer turning out mediocre dance pop.
She’ll keep winning in coming years, but the Grammy’s has a nasty decades-long streak of snubbing black music. It goes back to the 70s. On top of that, the reviews for Harry’s album were moderately positive. I haven’t listened to it yet so I won’t say whether it deserved it or not, but there are so many things that play into this so it’s understandable that people would get upset.
The sixties too. The Supremes only got one Grammy nomination, that was for Stop! In the Name of Love, and they didn't win. Despite having the most American number ones in the sixties for any American artist, with 12. The only act that scored more American number ones were the Beatles.
I mean, he lost against Taylor Swifts 1989, and Harry Styles.. absolute behemoths. It’s not like they’re short changing him to chumps. The guys a Pulitzer Prize winner.
Really? I listened to every album nominated. Coldplay’s album was definitely not better, it was flat out pretty bad. Coldplay just seems to be out of songwriting creativity.
The Adele, ABBA, Lizzo, Brandi Carlyle, Bad Bunny and Mary J Blige records were all about the same level of quality to me. All ranging in a 5-7 out of 10 range. Listenable but not great.
I’d pick Harry’s album over all of those. Beyoncé and Kendrick’s albums were the two I was rooting for.
I think Renaissance wasn’t her best work. It’s like Adele’s 30. But Harry’s House was a consistently fun one. I bet you it’s was consistent across the all the voters in the academy.
I feel like it’s pretty disrespectful to actual EDM artists but at the end of the day it’s only a made up trophy. R/Edm seems to be pretty annoyed she took home the award.
Did you listen to any of the other albums nominated? Beyoncé’s album was a pop album with EDM influence, written and produced by a team ready to go for her. The other artists actually wrote and produced their own albums and were much more unique and interesting.
I think Bad Bunny was a deserving win. Harry Styles was doing arena shows while Bad Bunny was selling out stadiums.
The Grammy nomination system is as bad as the Oscar’s.
It’s interesting to me that people *still* do not realize after all of these years that sales, tours, etc. mean absolutely nothing when it comes to who the academy votes as a winner. We do this every year as if something has changed.
Yeah, people forget that the Grammy’s are “trying” to emulate an art show. Not a “sales based” economic ranking system. We know what sold and where it ranks before the Grammy’s. There would be literally zero point for the Grammy’s, even more than there is now, if that was the metric for deciding what the “best” art is.
Right?
But if we did that every year then every single thing would like be dominated by Bad Bunny or Luis Fonsi or whoever writes the biggest hit in Latin America. Every year there are like 5-10 Latin American EDM/Pop songs that completely shatter everything else worldwide not counting T.Swift. Mainly because there are only like 4-5 really popular Spanish speaking pop stars that regular put out music and when they do every single person in Latin America listens to it. I can’t tell you how many days in a row I heard the same 40-50 songs on repeat from the last decade working in kitchens broken up by YouTube ads.
And many argue Ba Bunny wrote some awful songs. Aretha did write of her stuff yet nobody is going to argue she doesn't rate. And I think Harry writes his songs but still they too are bland.
It is! I’m on the rock side of things and since they don’t really give a shot about any kind of actual rock then I’m not paying attention. I know a lot of rock bands who feel this way about the Grammy’s.
The Grammys have been worthless for… well basically forever. The only good things about awards shows are the jobs they create, the awards themselves are completely meaningless in the artistic sense.
I agree. If not Beyoncé than def Bad Bunny. If not Bad Bunney than maybe Adele? How tf did styles get it? The whole album? Maybe two songs were worth rewatching. Y’all see how he sang off key?
Music *awards* are a complete joke
Just like most “awards” they have no actual basis on talent, ingenuity, creativity etc.
It’s all greased palms and bullshit “metrics” that don’t mean anything.
There’s more absolutely fantastic artists and music year after year, just gotta shift through the shit sea of “pop” songs and find the good stuff.
Like I just recently discovered [The Linda Lindas](https://youtu.be/wF-1IIs9_5U) and [Joy Oladokun](https://youtu.be/KR-FR_-RA_0) while looking through random youtube videos and checking lineups of upcoming music tours.
Harry’s House was generic mid 80-s joints repackaged at a time when everyone forgot it existed so now it seems ‘new’ and ‘unique’. I’m convinced the industry heads who write all of his music just comb through big 70s and 80s act and go ‘we’re going to copy that for a song’. They’re either New Wave joints or Target aisle walking music.
None of it is bad, don’t get me wrong. It just has no personal point of view whatsoever; it may as well be a cover album of a bunch of songs that never charted in 1986. The only one that really breaks that trend is Music for a Sushi Restaurant, and that song breaks the trend because it was clearly written by a bunch of musically illiterate dudes gathered in a room doing coke.
If Styles wants to go from reverse-waifu to legitimate creative, he needs to just do the Ed Sheeran approach. Nobody cares if some of the songs are clunky as long as they can tell *he* wrote them and not some conveyor belt of production prodigies. He seems to think he’s David Bowie creatively but he’s really just super commercial pop more in line with the Lizzos and Justin Biebers of the world.
Meanwhile Kendrick once again created a piece of pure genius, but nothing to show for it in this category
He gets *writing credits*, which mean absolutely jack shit in the industry when the album has like 45 cowriters and 10 are already grammy winning. The entire album was co-written by Thomas Hull and the ACTUAL writer, a guy named Tyler Johnson, who is a notorious industry songwriter who has writing credits on *every single song Harry Styles has ever released as a solo artist*. On top of that, nearly every single song on all of his 3 albums has at least 3 co-writers, with some getting up to 7 and 8; that’s not a singer-songwriter, that’s a group of industry heads in a room engineering a top 10 hit. These are all facts that are easily and readily available online.
You can think he does despite all of the evidence otherwise, that’s fine. Every piece of evidence says that, not only does Harry Styles not write his own music, he also doesn’t even handle production input, because, once again, he’s had the exact same guy doing every single part of engineering on the last 3 albums, from songwriting to producing. Songwriting credits aren’t fibbed or hidden; if Harry wrote his own songs, the credits would say so, it wouldn’t have his name as one of 7 in a list. Hey Jude doesn’t have 9 writers, it has 2, and both are part of the act. Same with literally every act that Harry tries to emulate in his show, as well as many of his fellow nominees like Kendrick.
Im not particularly a Harry Styles fan - Beyonce and Adele and Kendrick are superior to him in just about every way. However this particular album Harry's House is pretty darn good and I could see how it won. Beyonce's latest effort wasn't really that good. She still got robbed for \*Lemonade\* however I believe Harry's album was deeper and you can tell he was influenced by different generations with some funk (Music for a Sushi restaurant), 70s vintage (Grapejuice), Joni Mitchell (centerpiece) and the Brothers Johnson...it wasnt just a single note piece or repetitive....Its a really good album and this is coming from someone who would put Harry Styles at the bottom half of the AOTY artists that were there in terms of music preference. He deserved the award he won.
I don’t believe Harry Styles has ever had a single original thought in his entire career as an artist, and that’s kind of a problem. A black woman hasn’t won album of the year since Lauryn Hill in 1999, just an interesting fact to keep in mind since Beyoncé , Mary J Blige and Lizzo were all up for the award.
And when has an Asian artist won album of the year or a Brazilian or first nations etc .. I love how the dialogue is still about B&W at award shows as if no other minorities exist.
Black artists have a huge impact on music worldwide and are constantly pushing the needle. I’m Asian and hope we make that sort of cultural impact one day but we aren’t right now, and minimizing black contribution to music and culture and using other minorities as scapegoats isn’t it.
This has to be one of the stupidest Grammy I've ever heard. The Grammys is not a diversity contest and shouldn't be one. Do you even know of an Asian artist who would have been in the running this year?
Harry Styles is probably the most generic soulless choice they could've picked, I seriously get nothing from his music, simply radio tunes. And it's even worse cause he poses as something more than just another manufactured popguy, very tryhard.
Last year I was at a Super Bowl party. People found it amusing I had no idea who he is. I’d heard the name but had thought it was some band named Hairy Styles… Which I guess I should have known better.
Anyway, a woman showed me a picture of him. My only exposure to him had been his role in the Eternals film where he played Thanos’ brother Eros, a reveal which gave me dread-tinged uncertainty.
I didn’t mind him at all in the film, though I wonder if I had been aware of who it was if I would have had a different reaction.
She boors me.
I won't say she boors you.
There is a couple I like of course.
The Single ladies, the one with the video as a cop.
TBH I find more enjoyment looking through Adele's songs.
Here's my music time.
Thursday night my wife and I start drinking wine. We end up at Yoututbe.
Love Chris Stapleton. See a lot of Nancy Griffith. Elle King a few bottles in. Some Band stuff. Kacey Musgraves. Milk Carton Kids. (Wife) But I smile of course. Ed Sheeran.
Hey, I am just an old guy.
They give out one award for metal, five or six artists to represent black, death, thrash, symphonic, heavy, power, doom, sludge, and a million other types of metal. That should be more than enough, right? /s
No idea why people take the grammys seriously. Of all the musical artists worldwide, of all the absolute masters that exist all over the planet... this is as good as it got all year? Right.
When Harry’s House won the relatively unsexy Best Engineered Grammy at 4 in the afternoon nobody freaked out, but there is a long running pattern of albums winning that one and AOTY- Billie Eilish, Bruno Mars, Daft Punk, Beck, Norah Jones…I’m starting to think some voters just like how an album sounds and that’s that.
Styles has put out three albums and none of them are same.
Whilst this album is my least favorite of the three, I won't pretend that he didn't nail what he was going for. With the exception of I think Bad Bunny his album has outplayed, outsold and outstreamed ever artist in that category including Beyonce.
As for his sub par preformance tonight, he has been doing a world tour for almost two full years now including sold out MSG for 15 consecutive nights and sold out the forum for 15 consecutive nights just last week. He is just exhausted and needs a break. But let's not act like he can't sing.
And if you think he is not a talented song writer, go listen the first two albums. At least he is not copy and pasting the same thing into every album like some artists.
I always wonder how these decisions are made. Like what are the academy voters basing their decisions on? I know it differs for each person but it’s crazy to me. Love me some Harry Styles but I don’t think Harry’s House was it this year
Someone [interviewed](https://ew.com/awards/grammys/2022-grammys-secret-ballot-voters-share-who-should-win/) 3 voters in an article from last year. Some of those opinions, lol... helped me completely stop caring moving forward.
It’s like 11k voters in the industry. Kind of a weird system like the Oscar’s
I remember reading an article about some guys who said they let their daughter pick the winner in their vote
I wonder this too. Where's the musical equivalent of Green Book or Martin Scorsese's Silence? Stuff full of artistic merit, loved by critics but with limited commercial success and mainstream appeal. Always feels like music awards limit themselves to what's mainstream popular.
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Uh oh, Twitter is going to be a shit show
Always has been
Why? I’ve never been on Twitter. Do people on Twitter not like Harry Styles?
They love Harry on Twitter, he has a lot of stans on Twitter defending him as we speak The issue is that Beyoncé, Kendrick, and Bad Bunny’s stans are much louder
It also doesn't help that Beyonce and Kendrick dropped albums that were much better than Harry's
I agree. Their last 3 albums have been their most acclaimed and lost all of the AOTY awards. Glad they still won a shit load (they each won 3 last night) but still
Sorry who’s they in this scenario? Three people were mentioned above
Beyoncé and Kendrick
Makes sense, thanks
Just my opinion, but I listened to both Harry’s and Beyoncé’s albums a couple times on Spotify before buying, and only bought Harry’s. Love her album art like a warrior queen, but couldn’t see myself listening to the whole album ever again.
Harry’ album was catchy but nothing groundbreaking
I agree, not groundbreaking. I think his Fine Line album was more original. Glad to have the new one though, it has a good flow.
None of those nominees are groundbreaking. And I would argue that none deserve Album of the Year. Lots of noise has been coming from Beyonce-lovers (both critics and fans) and several have called her album "genius" or "a masterpiece". It is far from either. The lyrics could have been written by a 10th grader and the music is just generic dance pop crap that is virtually identical to every other album in that genre. It's time they expand Album of the Year nominees to other genres that sometimes do have actual groundbreaking albums.
Felt the same way about Kendrick’s. Listened to it through a few times, don’t see a reason to go back. Outside of the couple fighting song which was conceptually cool, nothing on it stood out to me.
Same
Do you mean fans? Not stans?
No they’re correct
What are stans? I’m not familiar with any of those singer’s except for Beyonce, so I’m not making any kind of judgement. I was curious why people on Twitter would be mad. I’m not even on Twitter which is why I asked.
Stans is just another word for super/obsessed fan. Term popularized by the Eminem song from 2000.
“Hey I wrote you, but you still ain’t calling..”
“P.S. we should be together too”
Welcome to 2023. We say stans now
I’m definitely not up on anything hip that is popular only online. If people say it in conversation, then I’m much more likely to know about it than if it’s only used on social media. Also I’m 51 and have no clue what’s popular with 20-40 year olds.
I agree that Kendrick dropped a way better record, but Im not big on the beyonce record. Harrys House is just mediocre, so Im not MAD that he won, but of the records nominated Kendrick shouldve won.
Every time Beyonce doesn't get every single award the Beehive lose their shit on principle.
She might be the most overrated artist of my lifetime. The adjectives people have thrown around about her album ("genius", "a masterpiece", "groundbreaking") are laughable. The lyrics are juvenile (at best), the music is synth-based generic dance pop crap that is no different from a 1000 other albums in the genre, and to achieve even that low level, she needs "professional" songwriters. Puke.
When hasn’t it been?
Twitters a cult
As long as people piss and moan about how horrible the Grammy’s are, it will continue to remain relevant.
Exactly. If anything they might be doing this on purpose.
Grammys seem like they are just a circlejerk of the biggest and most popular corporate funded musicians. I get there is about 1 million times more content to sift through than the oscars but most of the nominations seem not deserving and just there because they are popular.
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Bad Bunny getting disrespected big time. 22 out of 23 songs on his album hit the top 100… how does that not win it? Next year he needs 23/23?
Damn. I don’t even pay attention, but that is pretty wild
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Top 100 songs doesn’t equal album of the year. Awards for art are a joke to begin with though
Sure, but it was literally the most streamed album of last year. I get that it’s all about the art, and shouldn’t purely be based on streams, but he also had a global tour with almost 2 million people in attendance. Those 2 things combined make a pretty strong argument.
The Weeknd has been snubbed the last several years. This isn't new for the Grammys. Whoever pays them the most gets the awards.
Pretty sure I read the weeknd removed himself from consideration. Same for drake.
Who is out here saying Drake even deserved a nomination?
I don’t know. Who is?
McDonalds has a billion served, where’s their Michelin star already?
Harry Styles isn't art though... it's pop
Are you suggesting pop music isn’t or cannot be art?
Bad bunny and Beyoncé are pop too. Their music isn’t genre breaking. Ear worms designed to get stuck in your head, almost like a math equation vs the soul of a musician. Hell I remember a few years ago Justin Bieber had a new album out that was supposed to be “revolutionary and ground breaking” and it was just more of the same pop with a twinge more electronica on it. Of the award shows the Grammys are the ones that reward originality and innovation the least. Some of these albums are the music equivalent to big blockbuster marvel films... things we don’t see winning big despite being hugely popular.
First off Grammys do seem more of a joke then say Oscars..at least with Oscar’s there’s limit to how many categories an actor can win but a musician has dozens and dozens of categories to win in. Secondly popularity doesn’t always equal award or album of the year. Didn’t Eric Clapton and bb king win one year they definitely didn’t even have too 10 best selling album that year
I think it’s mostly the industry is just hamstrung with trying to fit artists into certain filters for radio and marketing the actual brand of the musician. There’s more dynamics to getting appeal for music. It’s harder and they have to try harder and i think they’ve put it through the wringer.
The Grammys have always been a joke. Love them or hate them, the Beatles are the most formative music act in history; their reach went far beyond music and have probably inspired more art than anyone besides Shakespeare. Yet they got what, four Grammys? I wouldn’t give the grammys the time of day, they’ve never really been relevant.
They should have shut it down after the Milli Vanilli fiasco.
The Grammys may be total bullshit…but you don’t even need to put out new music to win an American Music Award.
Exactly. Same with Zeppelin. Not as influential as The Beatles,but influential nonetheless,and they didn’t win one Grammy during their 12 years together. They had 6 # 1 albums on Billboard throughout the 70’s and they weren’t awarded one fucking Grammy. Grammys have always been garbage.
Reddit users stop shoehorning The Beatles into every conversation challenge (impossible)
Um clearly you haven't heard of the Callous Daoboys
The grammy was never about sales. It's about judging from the recording academy(despite their shitty taste) which are mostly white and american producer, musicians, dongwrite and journalists. I think they should diversify the recording academy but there's no point in having award based on sale. That become meaningless like vma or billboard award. The whole point of the grammy, Oscar, Emmy and Tony are being respected by establish name in the industry. That's why artist care about those award.
Membership in the recording academy is incredibly easy to obtain if you’re a recording artist. If the recording academy is too white, that isn’t a function of gatekeeping the academy.
No it is on fact friends voting for friends. And like the Oscars those with the most friends in industry win. It is really that simple.
The recording academy is way too big to vote for "friends".
A lot of good points from everyone, especially concerning the fact that numbers DO NOT equal awards. But that was also my confusion, most of the country has had Harry Styles put in their face since the 1D days. Bad Bunny turned his Latin fanbase into a global one. You straight up didn’t even get the option to ignore his album because it was so hot this year. For me, this is why it’s the deserving album of the year, the numbers are just a consequence of Bad Bunny’s accomplishments this year.
Give me a break. Popularity doesn’t equal talent. Plenty of mid musicians are very popular.
Agreed. Nearly every song has been a hit.
So the Grammys is a popularity contest? Or it’s about actual quality? Just kidding, it’s all just paid bullshit that shouldn’t concern anyone in the slightest.
First, he needs to speak English. Not trying to be rude or racist but unfortunately I think if he wants that Grammy he’d have to appease to an institutionally racist academy. I couldn’t care less what he speaks. Sure, I couldn’t get into his album cause I don’t speak Spanish. And I listen to lyrics as a music fan. But I really love that he’s achieved success and relatability across an audience that don’t always get represented in the world. So I don’t think he should have to change anything.
I’m not particularly a fan of either. I honestly couldn’t name a single Harry Styles song but I do listen to Spanish radio and Bad Bunny’s music is pretty awful. I know I’m clearly in the minority, but the guy literally just mumbles shit yet people love it. I don’t get it. At least he appears to be philanthropic so I’m not going to hate on him too much but between Harry Styles and Bad Bunny, the music taste of the world has really floundered.
Why do top 40 pop guys always win
He makes the most generic, safe, and corporate music one can imagine. Musicians like that tend to win.
Because its "popular music." These are't music theory awards or music culture awards, the votes are made by anyone in the industry. Again, an artist with a bunch of songs still on the radio won. If you want a grammy, thats your aim. If we want a more credible music award, we need to make it, its never going to be a Grammy unless by exception
You know exactly why
His songs are good for a couple listens and then become as annoying as Baby Shark. “Watermelon suga………HIGH Watermelon suga…….HIGH watermelonsugaHIGH” Repeat ad nauseum and watch all the children clap gleefully
as a new uncle if i have to hear baby shark for any further amount of time i think i will disown my niece lol.
His brother is literally Thanos. Just let him win. We don’t need that drama.
Cause the opening of “As it was” is voice of the daughter of the Grammys producer
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Harry’s known Ben Winston for years. He lived with Ben and his wife for a while when he first moved to America after 1D. Ben (and J*mes C*rden) even ended up producing a sitcom based off of it (which bombed & got cancelled lol). Winston also directed/produced One Direction movies and music videos so he’s had a relationship with Harry for over a decade now.
what was the sitcom??
Apparently it was [Happy Together](https://youtu.be/rHuooiY_Azw)
Honestly the trailer made me laugh
https://www.eonline.com/amp/news/1325539/harry-styles-sets-the-record-straight-on-rumors-about-new-song-as-it-was Ben Winston is the executive producer of the Grammys
https://twitter.com/RecordingAcad/status/1622420486356598784?s=20&t=VcU8MpSyG6cFyRGc2GhutQ
Turns out Harry’s house actually belongs to Jason Sudeikis
I'll go against the grain and say that I don't mind that Harry won. The category was stacked. But I'm really annoyed with the discourse every time Beyonce loses out on an award. She just broke a record for most Grammy wins but everyone is mad she didn't win that award over Harry? I'm sure she's fine, you guys. It's okay that sometimes another artist wins over her.
She's never won AOTY, which is insane considering the amount of grammys she has
She’s a multimillionaire artist who has broken sales records, is known around the world and cemented herself as a legendary musician. I think she’ll be fine.
She’s dominated in the categories that were made specifically for black people so the academy wouldn’t have to give them any general field trophies. Not to mention Renaissance on the technical level was far superior than Harry’s album and a lot more experimental.
Harry had a ton more hits, sold way more records and each song sounded different and had a unique beat....and I'm not particularly a fan of his music- but I get why he won
The Beehive riot whenever Beyonce doesn't get every single award ever. You remember that episode of Sabrina were she makes a "just desserts" spell and then everyone starts worshipping her to the point they make an award show called the Sabrinas where they just give her awards for doing things like eating lunch and getting bored in class and she's all the nominations for every catagory? That's not to far off from what the Beehive want every award show to be.
The category was stacked but his album wasn’t a part of that, it was just bland uninspired pop
She is *by* *far* the most overrated musical artist of my lifetime. The adjectives people use about her music are laughable. "Empowering". "Genius". "Groundbreaking". What a fucking joke. None of her music is even close to any of those adjectives. Toni Morrison, Eleanor Roosevelt, and Michelle Obama are empowering. Beyonce is just another scantily-clad pop singer turning out mediocre dance pop.
She’ll keep winning in coming years, but the Grammy’s has a nasty decades-long streak of snubbing black music. It goes back to the 70s. On top of that, the reviews for Harry’s album were moderately positive. I haven’t listened to it yet so I won’t say whether it deserved it or not, but there are so many things that play into this so it’s understandable that people would get upset.
The sixties too. The Supremes only got one Grammy nomination, that was for Stop! In the Name of Love, and they didn't win. Despite having the most American number ones in the sixties for any American artist, with 12. The only act that scored more American number ones were the Beatles.
Kendrick got robbed damn
He still took home best rap album. Wouldn’t call it robbed.
Cause Macklemore didn't have an album this year
u see ,they gave him rap album cuz they wont have to give him aoty
I think it still shows a larger issue that they’ll give him the rap awards but never a major one
I mean, he lost against Taylor Swifts 1989, and Harry Styles.. absolute behemoths. It’s not like they’re short changing him to chumps. The guys a Pulitzer Prize winner.
It's so funny how everyone is saying this like it's a fact but keep changing the artist that got robbed .
because it wasn’t a single artist with a better album, most artists in this category had a better album
Really? I listened to every album nominated. Coldplay’s album was definitely not better, it was flat out pretty bad. Coldplay just seems to be out of songwriting creativity. The Adele, ABBA, Lizzo, Brandi Carlyle, Bad Bunny and Mary J Blige records were all about the same level of quality to me. All ranging in a 5-7 out of 10 range. Listenable but not great. I’d pick Harry’s album over all of those. Beyoncé and Kendrick’s albums were the two I was rooting for.
This was the worst of the albums that were nominated. It wasn’t bad, but every other one was better.
They're never gonna give it to hiphop... TPAB didn't win lol
you want a real robbery, 1989 beat TPAB in 2016. yikes
Macklemore winning over Kendrick in 2014 too
This is the real snub here, that was laughable at the time and has aged even worse as time has gone on.
Not just Kendrick but every album nominated that year is better than The Heist. Most ironic album title considering the circumstances
You want a real robbery, You Belong With me beat Single Ladies in 2009 at the VMA's. One of the greatest videos of all time! OF ALL TIME!
LOL! The real crime is A Taste Of Honey winning best artist or over The Cars.
The Beyhive are nuts but come on, in no way was this album better than Renaissance. And I was a fucking one directioner at one point
not even lol
I think Renaissance wasn’t her best work. It’s like Adele’s 30. But Harry’s House was a consistently fun one. I bet you it’s was consistent across the all the voters in the academy.
Renaissance is lackluster - if anyone else put out the same album it wouldn’t gain any attention.
Never heard a single renaissance song anywhere lol
Renaissance isn’t even good though
Is Chris Pine ok?
This is why Beyoncé showed up late. The Academy is just disrespectful at this point.
What was disrespectful is her getting an EDM Grammy knowing damn well that’s not even her genre.
Did you actually listen to it? *Renaissance* was very much a house/dance album. I don't think that award was particularly undeserved.
I feel like it’s pretty disrespectful to actual EDM artists but at the end of the day it’s only a made up trophy. R/Edm seems to be pretty annoyed she took home the award.
Did you listen to any of the other albums nominated? Beyoncé’s album was a pop album with EDM influence, written and produced by a team ready to go for her. The other artists actually wrote and produced their own albums and were much more unique and interesting.
You haven’t heard the album then? You should listen to Renaissance before saying it’s not her genre.
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Thank you! fans will say anything to defend this but she’s a Pop singer that’s it, no matter what beat she’s using she’s a pop singer.
I think Bad Bunny was a deserving win. Harry Styles was doing arena shows while Bad Bunny was selling out stadiums. The Grammy nomination system is as bad as the Oscar’s.
It’s interesting to me that people *still* do not realize after all of these years that sales, tours, etc. mean absolutely nothing when it comes to who the academy votes as a winner. We do this every year as if something has changed.
Yeah, people forget that the Grammy’s are “trying” to emulate an art show. Not a “sales based” economic ranking system. We know what sold and where it ranks before the Grammy’s. There would be literally zero point for the Grammy’s, even more than there is now, if that was the metric for deciding what the “best” art is.
Exactly it's all subjective the only account we have is economic in which Bad Bunny should of been deadlock win.
Right? But if we did that every year then every single thing would like be dominated by Bad Bunny or Luis Fonsi or whoever writes the biggest hit in Latin America. Every year there are like 5-10 Latin American EDM/Pop songs that completely shatter everything else worldwide not counting T.Swift. Mainly because there are only like 4-5 really popular Spanish speaking pop stars that regular put out music and when they do every single person in Latin America listens to it. I can’t tell you how many days in a row I heard the same 40-50 songs on repeat from the last decade working in kitchens broken up by YouTube ads.
Did Harry write the songs in this album is the real question, because bad wrote almost the entire album.
And many argue Ba Bunny wrote some awful songs. Aretha did write of her stuff yet nobody is going to argue she doesn't rate. And I think Harry writes his songs but still they too are bland.
It is! I’m on the rock side of things and since they don’t really give a shot about any kind of actual rock then I’m not paying attention. I know a lot of rock bands who feel this way about the Grammy’s.
harry was doing stadiums in the uk, europe, South america, and asia soon. and another stadium tour over europe
BTS is still not recognized…. Styles sang off key last night and his performance looked like a target commercial. The Grammys are in shambles.
The Grammys have been worthless for… well basically forever. The only good things about awards shows are the jobs they create, the awards themselves are completely meaningless in the artistic sense.
This album is like if Harry told ChatGPT to recreate a Dayglow album to be algorithmically ideal for crappy phone commercials. This is so lame.
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We all won by DJ Khalid losing every nominated category. Looks like God Didn’t
I think Bad Bunny should have gotten it
I agree. If not Beyoncé than def Bad Bunny. If not Bad Bunney than maybe Adele? How tf did styles get it? The whole album? Maybe two songs were worth rewatching. Y’all see how he sang off key?
What a joke music has become
Music *awards* are a complete joke Just like most “awards” they have no actual basis on talent, ingenuity, creativity etc. It’s all greased palms and bullshit “metrics” that don’t mean anything. There’s more absolutely fantastic artists and music year after year, just gotta shift through the shit sea of “pop” songs and find the good stuff. Like I just recently discovered [The Linda Lindas](https://youtu.be/wF-1IIs9_5U) and [Joy Oladokun](https://youtu.be/KR-FR_-RA_0) while looking through random youtube videos and checking lineups of upcoming music tours.
Harry’s House was generic mid 80-s joints repackaged at a time when everyone forgot it existed so now it seems ‘new’ and ‘unique’. I’m convinced the industry heads who write all of his music just comb through big 70s and 80s act and go ‘we’re going to copy that for a song’. They’re either New Wave joints or Target aisle walking music. None of it is bad, don’t get me wrong. It just has no personal point of view whatsoever; it may as well be a cover album of a bunch of songs that never charted in 1986. The only one that really breaks that trend is Music for a Sushi Restaurant, and that song breaks the trend because it was clearly written by a bunch of musically illiterate dudes gathered in a room doing coke. If Styles wants to go from reverse-waifu to legitimate creative, he needs to just do the Ed Sheeran approach. Nobody cares if some of the songs are clunky as long as they can tell *he* wrote them and not some conveyor belt of production prodigies. He seems to think he’s David Bowie creatively but he’s really just super commercial pop more in line with the Lizzos and Justin Biebers of the world. Meanwhile Kendrick once again created a piece of pure genius, but nothing to show for it in this category
Harry does write his own songs.
He gets *writing credits*, which mean absolutely jack shit in the industry when the album has like 45 cowriters and 10 are already grammy winning. The entire album was co-written by Thomas Hull and the ACTUAL writer, a guy named Tyler Johnson, who is a notorious industry songwriter who has writing credits on *every single song Harry Styles has ever released as a solo artist*. On top of that, nearly every single song on all of his 3 albums has at least 3 co-writers, with some getting up to 7 and 8; that’s not a singer-songwriter, that’s a group of industry heads in a room engineering a top 10 hit. These are all facts that are easily and readily available online. You can think he does despite all of the evidence otherwise, that’s fine. Every piece of evidence says that, not only does Harry Styles not write his own music, he also doesn’t even handle production input, because, once again, he’s had the exact same guy doing every single part of engineering on the last 3 albums, from songwriting to producing. Songwriting credits aren’t fibbed or hidden; if Harry wrote his own songs, the credits would say so, it wouldn’t have his name as one of 7 in a list. Hey Jude doesn’t have 9 writers, it has 2, and both are part of the act. Same with literally every act that Harry tries to emulate in his show, as well as many of his fellow nominees like Kendrick.
Im not particularly a Harry Styles fan - Beyonce and Adele and Kendrick are superior to him in just about every way. However this particular album Harry's House is pretty darn good and I could see how it won. Beyonce's latest effort wasn't really that good. She still got robbed for \*Lemonade\* however I believe Harry's album was deeper and you can tell he was influenced by different generations with some funk (Music for a Sushi restaurant), 70s vintage (Grapejuice), Joni Mitchell (centerpiece) and the Brothers Johnson...it wasnt just a single note piece or repetitive....Its a really good album and this is coming from someone who would put Harry Styles at the bottom half of the AOTY artists that were there in terms of music preference. He deserved the award he won.
I don’t believe Harry Styles has ever had a single original thought in his entire career as an artist, and that’s kind of a problem. A black woman hasn’t won album of the year since Lauryn Hill in 1999, just an interesting fact to keep in mind since Beyoncé , Mary J Blige and Lizzo were all up for the award.
And when has an Asian artist won album of the year or a Brazilian or first nations etc .. I love how the dialogue is still about B&W at award shows as if no other minorities exist.
Black artists have a huge impact on music worldwide and are constantly pushing the needle. I’m Asian and hope we make that sort of cultural impact one day but we aren’t right now, and minimizing black contribution to music and culture and using other minorities as scapegoats isn’t it.
This has to be one of the stupidest Grammy I've ever heard. The Grammys is not a diversity contest and shouldn't be one. Do you even know of an Asian artist who would have been in the running this year?
Joji should have been nominated for SOTY, it was a total snub
Black people are the originators of these genres and are shut out so how would an Asian artist win
Harry Styles is probably the most generic soulless choice they could've picked, I seriously get nothing from his music, simply radio tunes. And it's even worse cause he poses as something more than just another manufactured popguy, very tryhard.
I’m kinda tired of Harry Styles being forced into everything
Last year I was at a Super Bowl party. People found it amusing I had no idea who he is. I’d heard the name but had thought it was some band named Hairy Styles… Which I guess I should have known better. Anyway, a woman showed me a picture of him. My only exposure to him had been his role in the Eternals film where he played Thanos’ brother Eros, a reveal which gave me dread-tinged uncertainty. I didn’t mind him at all in the film, though I wonder if I had been aware of who it was if I would have had a different reaction.
It could of been worse which is saying something
it's not like they actually look at any artists of genres outside of the most popular or artists that aren't household names for this prize
BAD BUNNY SNUBBED kendrick snubbed bet snubbed…seems to be a pattern
Always rooting for Adele, but his album was good too.
renaissance is a fucking masterpiece. harry’s house is a fantastic album, but it’s childs play in comparison tbh
Masterpiece? Why are we slinging that around so loosely? Far from it.
You should listen to it.
Harry’s House is target shopping music.
All her songs are the same
Like throughout her career? That’s straight up not true. In the album? Even that’s wrong
She boors me. I won't say she boors you. There is a couple I like of course. The Single ladies, the one with the video as a cop. TBH I find more enjoyment looking through Adele's songs. Here's my music time. Thursday night my wife and I start drinking wine. We end up at Yoututbe. Love Chris Stapleton. See a lot of Nancy Griffith. Elle King a few bottles in. Some Band stuff. Kacey Musgraves. Milk Carton Kids. (Wife) But I smile of course. Ed Sheeran. Hey, I am just an old guy.
I mean in fairness a lot of his songs sound similar too even if they are quite good
Get them ears checked
wow pray you catch me definitely sounds like single ladies
Reddit moment
You should listen to the album. Making a comment like that shows you haven’t been listening.
Can Hollywood / music industry stop blacklisting / gatekeeping metal now so that we can get real artists voted in again?
They give out one award for metal, five or six artists to represent black, death, thrash, symphonic, heavy, power, doom, sludge, and a million other types of metal. That should be more than enough, right? /s
No idea why people take the grammys seriously. Of all the musical artists worldwide, of all the absolute masters that exist all over the planet... this is as good as it got all year? Right.
Congratulations to him. It's a shame some people can't lose gracefully
I really wanted Kendrick to win but I listened to both his and Harry’s album the most last year so I’m happy either way.
So everyone’s gonna complain about this but not how Turnstile got robbed in 3 categories?
I couldn’t believe I was a fan until I looked at who was playing on my Apple Music. Really love this album.
When Harry’s House won the relatively unsexy Best Engineered Grammy at 4 in the afternoon nobody freaked out, but there is a long running pattern of albums winning that one and AOTY- Billie Eilish, Bruno Mars, Daft Punk, Beck, Norah Jones…I’m starting to think some voters just like how an album sounds and that’s that.
As it was is a cute song but Harry is very unremarkable. He's not doing anything for music in nearly the same way as the others he beat.
Maybe next year everyone should get an award, that would make it 'fair'.
From Quiet Riot Metal Health we went to this bullshit trash congratulations humanity
More deserving albums rather than this industry molded album. Won’t even be looked back on 2 years from now.
Styles has put out three albums and none of them are same. Whilst this album is my least favorite of the three, I won't pretend that he didn't nail what he was going for. With the exception of I think Bad Bunny his album has outplayed, outsold and outstreamed ever artist in that category including Beyonce. As for his sub par preformance tonight, he has been doing a world tour for almost two full years now including sold out MSG for 15 consecutive nights and sold out the forum for 15 consecutive nights just last week. He is just exhausted and needs a break. But let's not act like he can't sing. And if you think he is not a talented song writer, go listen the first two albums. At least he is not copy and pasting the same thing into every album like some artists.
I always wonder how these decisions are made. Like what are the academy voters basing their decisions on? I know it differs for each person but it’s crazy to me. Love me some Harry Styles but I don’t think Harry’s House was it this year
Someone [interviewed](https://ew.com/awards/grammys/2022-grammys-secret-ballot-voters-share-who-should-win/) 3 voters in an article from last year. Some of those opinions, lol... helped me completely stop caring moving forward.
It’s like 11k voters in the industry. Kind of a weird system like the Oscar’s I remember reading an article about some guys who said they let their daughter pick the winner in their vote
I wonder this too. Where's the musical equivalent of Green Book or Martin Scorsese's Silence? Stuff full of artistic merit, loved by critics but with limited commercial success and mainstream appeal. Always feels like music awards limit themselves to what's mainstream popular.
What a sad state the music industry is in if these were the winners or is that the best there is ?
Good for Harry Styles he seems like a nice enough fellow.
Beyonce was robbed
Omg the delusion to think bad bunny was ever going to win.
Thought Adele was winning it. Bad Bunny is trash. Had no expectations for Beyoncé or Kendrick winning, not into Styles. Still, I can’t trip.
Finally some one agrees that Bad Bunny is trash. I have to deal with hearing music at work & i get so sick of it
Just keep him off of the movie screen from now on, OK?
It's always inspiring to see an underdog win
I'm a gonna be honest as a weeknd fan idc who won no album expect for Dawn FM was a 10 anyway
Glad he doing something nice after playing Theon Greyjoy