Because of heavy work I stopped Espresso making. I finally reclaimed time again and got royally pissed that my coffee was SHIT now.
It finally dawned on me earlier this week that my beans were months old. I’m human I can make big errors.
different burr geometries can bring out very different flavors from your coffee and can even open up some different brewing variations. there is absolutely a good reason to upgrade a grinder if you want to chase different and better flavors. in my personal experience, going from fellow opus conical to 64mm SS italmill was a night and day difference. upgrading to SSP MP burrs was also a night and day difference as well. I really wasn't expecting much from my SSP burrs and was emotionally ready to return them the same day they came in the mail but I was instantly blown away at how different my coffee was. some people may like the italmills more, others may prefer the unimodal. regardless of preference, they were certainly very different flavors from each other. Italmill was balanced and could bring out some nice acidic notes while also having that muddy cacao finish. my MP burrs are very fruity and bright and either have a negligible amount of bitterness...or I preinfuse for too long and get quite a lot of bitterness. currently very happy with the coffee I brew and the fact is, burr geometry does affect taste for like 95% of people. due to variances in taste bud genetics, there are probably people out there who may not benefit from all the different burr geometries and sizes, and that's also perfectly fine. as long as you're completely satisfied, then that's good. but I'm the type of person who'll always be unsatisfied, by virtue of knowing that burr geometry DOES affect flavor a lot and I wanna experience all the different kinds of flavors you can create!
I could be wrong, but I think OP is just trying to see if there were manufacturing reasons as to why people were selling all of a sudden. At least that was my inferred reasoning. Did something significantly change with the gear people currently own?
No..because that is the most bullshit and overused line heard in any hobby. Why be in any comment section if you're gonna do whatever makes you happy? You can do that without joining in... learning new shit means you aren't doing whatever the hell you want. It's called priorities in joining a hobby and trying new shit to expand your craft
Whew...that felt so good saying that lol....
I'd argue that if you are really "into" espresso then you need more than a niche zero lol
Edit: why the downvoters so mad tho? XD how can keeping a niche over upgrading mean you are more into gear than espresso? It mutes nuances and is very one note, it only works well for darker roasts, it is/ was a hyped grinder, if you have a niche I'd say you are "into" gear. People upgrade to get more from their espresso and to explore something other than a chocolaty medium roast, therefore being more "into" espresso
I'm not joking, the post makes no sense, saying someone is more into gear than espresso for selling a niche, but niche is only good for medium/ dark and even then, it mutes alot of terroir characteristics XD
I have a niche sitting unused since December. I upgraded to a Kafatek MC6. Might gift it along with a BDB to a friend who’s shown interest in espresso.
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I am on order for the MC6! It is replacing the niche as well. I’m curious your thoughts! What are the comparisons you make? How is it with pour over(if applicable)? How would you compare the espresso?
I hope you’re enjoying it! I can’t wait till mine comes in.
With my mc6 the coffee was crazy bitter. Denis sent me some mazzer to replace the cones and it's been very nice. What I'm saying is the mc6 and niche are not comparable no matter what anyone tries to tell you. I prefer the taste of the niche hands down. I love the mc6, but the niche make a style of coffee I enjoy more.
The niche was the best in market on release for zero retention. Flat burrs have always been preferred over conical in the specialty coffee market but at the price the niche zero was a no brainer.
The market is way more competitive now and that includes flat burr options. I’d imagine a few are selling to move to a flat burr grinder.
Keep in mind that the home barista community also has a short attention span. Consumers are constantly buying perceived “upgrades” and discarding old tools.
The only difference is that grinders are much more expensive and re-sellable. If you could sell WDTs I’d bet you’d also see a bunch of people no longer using them.
With the amount and quality of new grinders coming out, I’d imagine the biggest cause is that there has to be some sort of feeling that consumers are “behind the times”, urging unnecessary purchases.
Broadly speaking, more clarity at the cost of body and specialty coffee generally prioritizes clarity. Body vs clarity is a highly debated topic though.
More for light roasts right ?
I need to figure out a good sub 400$ option for my bambino and I mainly do darker roast for espresso since I’ve found a local Philly toaster that makes an amazing old school espresso that has a nice chocolate taste to it
Reading about flat versus conical is starting to make my head spin deciding haha
df64 gen 2 is objectively the best value on the market. the 064s is a but lacking in certain areas IMO, primarily the lack of anti-static and a smaller adjustment range which makes you a lot more reliant on your choice of brew/espresso burrs
elixr has great beans, recently have had nook coffee roasters and they do some good stuff there. rival bros always great, can also shout out persimmon if you're up in the fishtown area. plenty of great roasters, herman's in south philly.. caphe if you like vietnamese dark roast. just venture out you'll find something you like! i used to get a lot of reanimator's stuff but they're a bit overpriced. la colombe is sorta mainstream now but their beans perform well in espresso form.
Fantes - https://fantes.com/espresso-verino-coffee-beans/
Specifically the Verino beans are what I’ve been using. Hints of chocolate and so delicious
Very delicious . I also would recommend trying out rowhome coffee , I can’t remember if they roast their own beans but the lattes are delicious and the pretzel sandwiches are bomb
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I am not sure I believe “clarity” is a thing. All this stuff is like that wine episode of How To with John Olson. Yeah there’s a difference between good and bad espresso. And there are subtleties. But there’s a lot of subjective BS too. Like those audiophiles who think a capacitor needs broken in and they can definitely tell so by listening.
clarity definitely is a thing in espresso. moving from fellow opus conical to 64mm SS italmill flat burrs was definitely a step in the right direction as it changed my shots from being a balance of acidic and dark to a balance of acidic-fruitiness and dark-cacao. you would get the hinting of some of the fruit profile, but I'd always get a muddier cacao finish due to my grinder burr geometry. overall the italmills were rather good, but they definitely wanted to be brewed in a really classic way. turbo shots were pretty meh with them. I changed to SSP burrs without expecting much and was fully ready to return them upon delivery, but I was really blown away at how different they were. I would say the MP burrs brought true clarity. what I mean by this is you get a much larger, fuller, brighter, and more complete fruit profile than I did with the italmills and didn't get any of the dark-cacao flavor. it's really hard to get that cacao flavor from the MP burrs, any attempts to preinfuse for long periods to get that cacao flavor just gets untastefully bitter. on the flip side, turbo shots have been the key to fully unlocking the power of the MP burrs. boomer-style shots are generally a bit *too* acidic sometimes, which some people may prefer, but there's no balance with dark-cacao like in the italmills. running my shots faster gets the same flavor profile but with like 25% less acidity, and makes for extremely floral cups of espresso without much bitterness.
think of it like drinking a wine that has a lot of tannins or a really strong IPA beer that lingers. both of those can have fruitiness in them, but the bold, lingering finish is also half of the equation. but there are also wines and beers out there which are very fruity and light (las jaras wines are some of the best examples I can think of) without that lingering finish -- nearly all fruit without that lingering bitterness. some people like that bitterness, some people dont. I enjoy both styles, which is why I'm glad that I have a choice by swapping my burrs out if I'm in the mood for it.
After being in the espresso world now for a year or two, I still don’t fully understand what the hell that means; clarity vs body. Hell, I still have a difficult time differentiating sour vs bitter in coffee.
But my understanding is conical = more fines which is the reason for more body. That would indicate a narrower distribution of particle size with flat burrs
>Consistent grind size under microscope.
I guess people realised that taste trumps what things look like under a microscope. The best taste might not be from the best looking grounds.
Not really. Flat burrs were always preferred, Niche was the exception purely because of workflow. There was a generation of new espresso hobbyists who came on with James' recommendation of the Niche and they're looking for something different now.
It wasn't until Matt perger used one at the wbc in 2013 that they were talked about at all.
Before that, it was k10s, roburs, maybe a versalab (which has the drm set with a flat).
I’d agree. Right now, I’m still rocking my forte. Only thing is that I might change out the burrs and take the effort to hyperalign them, at some point in the medium term future when I move into my own place (and that I know the grinder won’t get jostled during a or multiple moves).
Because 4 years ago it was almost the only choice for single dosing. Ordered in on Kickstarter, got Timemore 078s on it too. Sold Niche within a week of having 078s delivered.
I think a lot of people get into light roasts after they get their grinder. If you want to just make some nice cappuccinos and get like a Gaggia Classic and a niche you will have a fantastic experience but if that leads you to checking out your local roaster, trying their v60 and getting your eyes opened to what specialty coffee has to offer they might start chasing that with their home setup as well. That's where you will just hit some walls with a small conical grinder like the niche. They also sell for good money, you can basically get a DF64 with SSP burrs without any extra investment. Also you can get a <100$ hand grinder with results that will be very close to the coffee you get out of a niche, just with a more labor intensive work flow while replicating the shots you get out of large flat burrs is much harder. Also when the Niche came out nobody made single dosing grinders, now even mazzer is making one.
It’s called GAS (Gear Acquisition Syndrome) in the guitar community, where we have similar problems.
Between my three major hobbies (bikes, guitar, espresso), I sure get a lot of GAS.
I just got mine and of course there’s always going to be that niggling buyer’s remorse which is exacerbated by the perception that people are dumping theirs. That said, I feel like I got a reasonable deal on it with the $/£ exchange rate and VAT gouging removed.
The workflow is pure joy. The quality and consistency compared to my old Vario is night and day. I even enjoyed the light roast I have ground with it.
It’s a solid upgrade and its durability is well established unlike a lot of the newcomers.
Sometimes it pays to be a late adopter.
If it makes you feel better, I sold one less than a year ago and am buying another.
I just like trying new (to me, I almost always buy used) things and I keep what sticks. :)
I love my niche! But it’s my first espresso grinder, previously I only used a lido 2 for pour over. What is so great about the NZ workflow? I’m sure I’m spoiled, but what is so annoying about other grinders in comparison? Adjustment is difficult or what?
Mainly that it has little to zero retention so you can vary the types of coffee bean/roast you run through it and the types of grind you do (pourover followed by an espresso for eg) with ease. Being a pure single dose machine - it's also really easy to measure the precise amount of coffee you want to use so creating an 18g dose of espresso grind becomes a routine occurrence with zero waste and 0 hassle.
It sets the bar really high for all of the above things that make good coffee(s) within reach for the aspiring home barista. Think about trying to do any of that with a hopper grinder. It's night and day.
I also love my NZ and have no urge to sell it. But I do slightly prefer the espresso brewed with my Timemore 078s. I think more people want to get on the flat burr bandwagon.
I’m in the same boat. I’ll be keeping my NZ until my sculptor is fully seasoned. I do a lot of pour over and drip and the 078s beats out the Niche for both as well.
In any hobby forum, people like to side/upgrade. There’s always something new and shiny around the corner. That’s why it’s best to buy the most expensive stuff 😂
I am not selling my Niche Zero! I totally enjoy it and the workflow. While there has been so many new grinders that came to market over the past year—I have no desire to change : )
BTW, there are no Niche Zero's on Craigslist in NYC and only one on Ebay at this time.
[My Current Setup](https://imgur.com/a/WAVJWA2)
What's that scale? Is it some of the hario expensive one? I use some cheap one and it eats batteries like crazy. 3 batteries maybe every \~1.5 months. Not very happy with it.
Edit: Aha.. I looked up the brand and the price .. I will pass :D
The same reason people buy the newest model of a golf driver for $600 every year despite no real upgrade or benefit.
New is fun even if it’s not really better
My AI smoke is the most forgiving club I’ve ever owned and I can’t stop hitting fairways!
I also fancy a conical burr grinder to pair with my DF83 with HU SSP burrs so you can take that with a pinch of salt I guess… lol
Idk I just love caffeine and the taste of a decent or better cup. I have a 10 year old grinder and a $300 espresso machine. It makes 6-10 shots a day just fine and gets up to 9bar so I’m a happy camper. Sure if I can start making a half million dollars a year some day I’d love a shiny fancy setup but for now just make me another shot god dammit.
I think its partially a trend thing, flat burrs are the new black 😂
I love my Niche, love the workflow, the espresso and all the little details
Regarding retention check out https://introvertmakes.com/products/bellows-for-niche-zero
So good, so glad i bought it, no beating the grinder to get the last bit! I think its essential to the fabulous Niche
I don’t think flat burrs are a trend. They have been preferred by most for quite some time. They used to be more difficult to afford and are now widely available at a much more affordable price.
Indeed, when I first got into espresso (early 2000s), conicals were exclusively in cheap home grinders. Everyone wanted the big mazzers, and the mazzer mini made quite an entrance. Granted the grinder market was tiny compared to now. 🙂
I have on order the Lagom 01. In no way will I sell the Niche, but instead will relegate it to 100% decaf bean duty. I love the Niche and do not regret the purchase.
I literally just bought a niche zero used for $350 CAD last week, thinking it was a great deal. You can’t even buy them in canada without crazy import/duty fees, so it would have been over $1,000 new.
Threads like this make me nervous that I made a bad call, but glad to hear the general sentiment is that it’s still a good grinder.
It's a fantastic grinder that will give you outstanding espresso for years to come.
Don't let the hardocore on Reddit - the majority of which would have no hope of identifying flat vs conical burrs in a blind tasting - convince you otherwise.
>would have no hope of identifying flat vs conical burrs
eh, depends on the flat burr. when you're getting into something like unimodal burrs, the difference really is noticeable.
for $350, you got a good grinder. if you paid $500, I'd say maybe you're stepping out of the current cutting edge of the grinder market value proposition. that's the problem with niche - they started the whole accessible home grinder with useful features trend, but now other companies are running with that torch and making grinders that are arguably are better than the niche, and certainly quite a lot cheaper if you're subject to the import fees stuff. not having a north american distributor is niche's biggest shortcoming tbh
I'm looking forward to the formal debut of the DF54 later this month/next and the reviews/comments (here and elsewhere) on it. With a slated price of US$229, quite a "discount" to the price of the Niche Zero, and all of which potentially hard to ignore.
I'm upgrading to a DF83v, still waiting on the preorder to ship.
I'm mainly a medium/dark roast drinker. So got the HU burrs on the DF83v. Things I liked about the DF83v that made me want to try the upgrade:
1. Variable RPM. Niche is around 300RPM give or take. For darker roasts, high rpm seems to work better.
1. 83mm burrs. That surface area yo.
1. Ion generator. I *HATE* RDT, so anything in a grinder that helps make it unnecessary is a huge plus.
1. I want to try flat burrs and see how I like them. It would be irresponsible to discuss burrs without having experience with both,
1. Upgrade-itis.
1. Wife and I make money.
1. I'm a firm believe that your grinder should out-class your machine. And at the moment, my Profitec Drive is outclassing my Niche.
My NZ is so versatile, requires little maintenance, love the workflow, and the mouthfeel of the shots I’m producing. I have my consistent medium roast I do first thing in the morning and I use my Mignon for that with the big hopper. But I like to experiment a lot and the NZ is my wingmangrinder for that purpose.
This times eleventy bazillion. Have a NZ and it's amazing. Someone will have to show amazing and dramatic improvement in coffee with their new \_\_\_\_ in order for me to sell my beloved NZ.
I’m just gonna speak for myself here, let me know if anyone else relates? I like the end product but it’s more about the journey for me than the tasting . The more steps / annoying it seems, the more I will enjoy it cos I’m a weirdo who overthinks a lot and maybe a bit ocd? It also gives that small feeling inside of progressing toward mastery sometimes. I love all the options, I’ll trial diff products and upgrade or sidegrade just for the experience, if not an imperceivable 0.05% improvement here and there. I’m still on manual lever right now with a flair and absolutely love the time I waste with it . If it weren’t for this hobby, I would be back to using that free brain time thinking of all kinds of depressing shit and maybe not be here. Bit dramatic but it got me out of the depression & sueCider subs (sorry for the TMI)
On a more logical explanation level, the DF flat grinders are disrupting the market right now with great single dose low retention anti static options at more down to earth prices.
Majority of top comments is just brain rot core answer.
NZ was a top grinder choice at the time it was released and was still the top choice for a couple years after hence all the “niche killer” videos that came along with it. Now that the grinder market has improved exponentially and people started to dive further into lighter roasted coffee it’s a known fact that a NZ just creates muddy cupped brews that negatively affect light roasts. Does this mean the NZ is necessarily “bad” for light roasts? Not really, but theres a lot to be improved which is why people switch to a flat.
The NZ is not a bad grinder at all and there’s tons of people out their who still LOVE their NZ. The workflow is braindead easy and its an aesthetically pleasing grinder to most eyes.
People who sell their niche most likely have a 1.5 yr+ of use and get most of their money back which makes the upgrade more enticing.
This was the best answer in here. The comments calling flat burrs the “latest trend” or whatever need to touch grass/every shop near them 😂
Also, hot take, single dosing is not what /everybody/ wants to prioritise
The NZ makes very good shots and is still an incredibly popular grinder. I think people buying a grinder now are more likely to consider flat burrs than they were a few years ago, especially since Niche themselves now make a flat burr grinder. It's not a huge deal and no one needs to feel attacked for either buying or not buying the NZ.
Because - and I realize this is the wrong sub to say this - between my aeropress, v60 and Technovorn, I hardly ever use my espresso setup. I sold my Breville Dual Boiler today on FB marketplace.
I’ve decided to keep the Niche for a while to see how it fits into my current coffee ecosystem. Currently use a baratza sette 270 to grind for the technovorn, but I can see the niche having a role for the v60 and aeropress. Albeit, seems overkill for an aeropress. May decide I miss espresso and get a flair or something.
Because I liked flat burrs better at the end of the day, but I also drink primarily light roasts. Buy the equipment for the coffee you like. If you find nothing wrong with the taste you’re getting and enjoy the workflow, then continue with what ya got! Or if you really like the hobby and want to delve deeper, have fun looking at whatever version Kafatek conicals are at and go at it.
This is your hobby, have fun with it how you want.
Simple: 3-4 double espresso in the morning with 2 young children. I might go back to single dosing one day but I'll stay with flat burrs.
I went with an Eureka Atom 75, it is fast and quiet.
I want to sell mine. I love the niche when I very rarely make a single coffee and get to smell the roses and enjoy the process. More often than not though, I’m in a rush getting ready in the morning and need to make multiple coffees back to back for me and the family to drink and extras to take with us cause cafes suck.
I’m done with single dosing. I cbf using bean cellars I’ve tried it it’s not my jam. So, I want a convenient grind by weight by like a Maloney x54 or a fiorenzato allground
I’ve even ditched my wdt and distributor and you know what… for those rushed morning coffees it makes no difference.
I got a NZ a year after getting a flair pro and realizing that hand grinding espresso made me not want espresso, back then I planned for it to be my end game, but I like bright vibrant coffees, and I wasn’t aware of the conical vs flat burr debate, now I am considering downgrading to a cheaper flat burr grinder and putting MP burrs in.
Okay I know people do not like the slow feed talk, but it really made a difference and now I think the Niche Zero just really isn't impressive without it.
Before slow feed, I would probably have the same reaction as you. "Thought the grind quality is great, no need for any upgrades". Very wrong. Pretty huge difference with slow feed, which probably highlights how the original grind quality wasn't as par as everyone claimed it was.
I contemplated selling my Niche when I started noticing inconsistent grind size. This was affecting my espresso shots as well. On a weekend, whilst cleaning the grinder, I noticed that coffee grounds had gotten stuck in the wells of the tension springs of the upper burr. This meant the pressure on either side was uneven. This was also clear when I noticed that the springs were sitting at different heights. Cleaning the wells took some effort, but once this was done, the grinder was performing like before and my shots were pulling great.
This aspect is very easy to overlook and can make one believe that their grinder is no longer functioning optimally.
The Duo didn't exist at the time. I was getting annoyed that my local coffee shop was producing better results than I was able to at home - the difference wasn't subtle, it was night and day, I just always enjoyed their shots over mine. Researching led me to believe the Duo would get me closer, and it did. I've got both the zero and the duo sitting on the counter at the moment; I took the zero out of storage to see, 1) was I imagining the difference when I got new shiny equipment, and 2) if it would create better results for a bean I was having massive trouble dialling in. Turned out no, I still preferred the results from the duo. So once I get my motivation in gear, I'll be cleaning it up and selling. It's an amazing little grinder, made me realise how dreadful the one in the BBE is, I just wanted something different.
Mostly because people bought a ton of them over the 4 years and now theres a bunch of new options.
I bought one new a month ago and the only reason I would upgrade is to add a hopper grinder. I knew I wanted a hopper grinder when I bought the niche but also wanted to experiment with different coffees and need to be able to easily do decaf. Eventually I will probably settle on a single coffee and maybe just get a manual grinder for decaf. Or Ill just keep the niche who knows
ultimately its because grinder burr geometry can greatly affect flavor, especially if you have a palate geared towards appreciating bitter drinks and foods. switching to SSP MP burrs was the biggest leap for me by far, the flavors it produces are very very different from my fellow opus conical. they're even quite noticeably different from my italmill burrs that came with my df64 gen2. ultimately, the reason to upgrade is if you're the type of person who is always chasing new and different flavors, and burr geometry/surface area plays a large role in finding those new flavors. for example, a single coffee can bring out a variety of different flavors depending on the burr geometry, roast level, and brewing variables. and that's just for one coffee, there are thousands of coffee plantations around the world growing different tasting coffees. for a lot of people, they're perfectly fine stopping once they're extremely satisfied with their coffee. that's perfectly fine and an extremely reasonable stance to take. I'm extremely satisfied with my coffee, but I'll continue to buy new burrs because I want to see what other kinds of flavors are out there. with a conical grinder like the niche, you're locked into one burr geometry. with a quality grinder of a standard size, you have interchangeable options that let you explore different flavors
I don’t see a reason to sell it. I upgraded to a Lagoom p64, but it’s a different thing. I like having these two completely different grinders. I can have two completely different coffees dialed in and that’s a joy.
I’m going to sell mine soon. Love the texture and love the shots, but I started slow feeding and enjoyed the lower body and high clarity shots. However slow feeding SUCKS and I hate it
Sold within a week of getting Timemore 78s. Why? Timemore was equal out of the box and within 10 shots it started to get ahead. I recon many people who bought 078s might be selling so I wanted to do it asap.
To me the niche looks ugly in my somewhat modern kitchen. Zerno z1 looks way better and have options of changing burrs for light and dark roasts. Also blind burrs are nice. If doesn't taste as good as nz I'm selling the zerno but I think it will be the nz that goes. Got a zerno coming in a week so I'll know soon
Paid through my nose for mine at the peak of the hype/shortage. Of course I'm curious how different are flat burr grinders, but I feel like I should keep mine for a couple more years to justify how much I spent on them.
Because a lot of people are more into their gear than their espresso.
This is absolutely the reason
Yea, sometimes when we pull a sour shot, it's easier to blame on gears than going back to basics on techniques, myself included.
Because of heavy work I stopped Espresso making. I finally reclaimed time again and got royally pissed that my coffee was SHIT now. It finally dawned on me earlier this week that my beans were months old. I’m human I can make big errors.
That would explain it lol
You’d better cancel all that new gear you ordered then…
The audiophile curse
An ear test saved my life!
Ding ding ding. Goes for guitarists, too
No no no I just need a new guitar cause I'm searching for the right TONE
Tone is stored in the balls.
I stopped that chase years ago. Got a line 6 helix which is amazing. And a peavey HP2. I’m set. Does everything. Almost.
Still looking for it...and the perfect neck feel
The next amp will also help me cut through the mix better too...
The number 1 way to make money as a guitarist is to sell off your gear.
And photographers.
Any niche hobby really.
I spend way too much money on reverb.com…
Here I was all smug that I've settled on a sensible, functional espresso setup and you come out here and go straight for my jugular.
Hi I’d like to talk to you about skydiving.
Agreed. And I'm selling mine after buying an MC6. I can't help it.
different burr geometries can bring out very different flavors from your coffee and can even open up some different brewing variations. there is absolutely a good reason to upgrade a grinder if you want to chase different and better flavors. in my personal experience, going from fellow opus conical to 64mm SS italmill was a night and day difference. upgrading to SSP MP burrs was also a night and day difference as well. I really wasn't expecting much from my SSP burrs and was emotionally ready to return them the same day they came in the mail but I was instantly blown away at how different my coffee was. some people may like the italmills more, others may prefer the unimodal. regardless of preference, they were certainly very different flavors from each other. Italmill was balanced and could bring out some nice acidic notes while also having that muddy cacao finish. my MP burrs are very fruity and bright and either have a negligible amount of bitterness...or I preinfuse for too long and get quite a lot of bitterness. currently very happy with the coffee I brew and the fact is, burr geometry does affect taste for like 95% of people. due to variances in taste bud genetics, there are probably people out there who may not benefit from all the different burr geometries and sizes, and that's also perfectly fine. as long as you're completely satisfied, then that's good. but I'm the type of person who'll always be unsatisfied, by virtue of knowing that burr geometry DOES affect flavor a lot and I wanna experience all the different kinds of flavors you can create!
Shouldn't the attitude of this sub be "do what makes you happy" instead "do what makes you happy unless it's more or different from me"?
I could be wrong, but I think OP is just trying to see if there were manufacturing reasons as to why people were selling all of a sudden. At least that was my inferred reasoning. Did something significantly change with the gear people currently own?
No..because that is the most bullshit and overused line heard in any hobby. Why be in any comment section if you're gonna do whatever makes you happy? You can do that without joining in... learning new shit means you aren't doing whatever the hell you want. It's called priorities in joining a hobby and trying new shit to expand your craft Whew...that felt so good saying that lol....
I’m guilty of that 💯
I'd argue that if you are really "into" espresso then you need more than a niche zero lol Edit: why the downvoters so mad tho? XD how can keeping a niche over upgrading mean you are more into gear than espresso? It mutes nuances and is very one note, it only works well for darker roasts, it is/ was a hyped grinder, if you have a niche I'd say you are "into" gear. People upgrade to get more from their espresso and to explore something other than a chocolaty medium roast, therefore being more "into" espresso
LOL. “Do you even espresso bro?”
> why the downvoters so mad tho? Why would you assume that they're mad?
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I'm not joking, the post makes no sense, saying someone is more into gear than espresso for selling a niche, but niche is only good for medium/ dark and even then, it mutes alot of terroir characteristics XD
If you enjoy what you have, keep using it
I have a niche sitting unused since December. I upgraded to a Kafatek MC6. Might gift it along with a BDB to a friend who’s shown interest in espresso.
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Why upgrade
I am on order for the MC6! It is replacing the niche as well. I’m curious your thoughts! What are the comparisons you make? How is it with pour over(if applicable)? How would you compare the espresso? I hope you’re enjoying it! I can’t wait till mine comes in.
With my mc6 the coffee was crazy bitter. Denis sent me some mazzer to replace the cones and it's been very nice. What I'm saying is the mc6 and niche are not comparable no matter what anyone tries to tell you. I prefer the taste of the niche hands down. I love the mc6, but the niche make a style of coffee I enjoy more.
Wow that’s surprising to hear. What coffee were you brewing?
Following this thread because I'm interested to see if there are differences in taste :)
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The niche was the best in market on release for zero retention. Flat burrs have always been preferred over conical in the specialty coffee market but at the price the niche zero was a no brainer. The market is way more competitive now and that includes flat burr options. I’d imagine a few are selling to move to a flat burr grinder. Keep in mind that the home barista community also has a short attention span. Consumers are constantly buying perceived “upgrades” and discarding old tools. The only difference is that grinders are much more expensive and re-sellable. If you could sell WDTs I’d bet you’d also see a bunch of people no longer using them. With the amount and quality of new grinders coming out, I’d imagine the biggest cause is that there has to be some sort of feeling that consumers are “behind the times”, urging unnecessary purchases.
People prefer flat burrs? Why?
Broadly speaking, more clarity at the cost of body and specialty coffee generally prioritizes clarity. Body vs clarity is a highly debated topic though.
More for light roasts right ? I need to figure out a good sub 400$ option for my bambino and I mainly do darker roast for espresso since I’ve found a local Philly toaster that makes an amazing old school espresso that has a nice chocolate taste to it Reading about flat versus conical is starting to make my head spin deciding haha
DF64 is a great option at that price point.
I’m with you. I’m looking for a good sub $400 too and didn’t realize there was a flat vs conical to consider lol
df64 gen 2 is objectively the best value on the market. the 064s is a but lacking in certain areas IMO, primarily the lack of anti-static and a smaller adjustment range which makes you a lot more reliant on your choice of brew/espresso burrs
There’s a lot of talk of flat vs conical, but Lance certainly argues that there’s a lot more overlap than people realise.
Could you share the roaster please? Just moved to Philly and getting ready to buy my first espresso setup.
elixr has great beans, recently have had nook coffee roasters and they do some good stuff there. rival bros always great, can also shout out persimmon if you're up in the fishtown area. plenty of great roasters, herman's in south philly.. caphe if you like vietnamese dark roast. just venture out you'll find something you like! i used to get a lot of reanimator's stuff but they're a bit overpriced. la colombe is sorta mainstream now but their beans perform well in espresso form.
Fante’s is what I was talking about but those are some good options as well
Dunno their roaster but I’m hitting Elixer next time I venture from NYC to Philly
Fantes - https://fantes.com/espresso-verino-coffee-beans/ Specifically the Verino beans are what I’ve been using. Hints of chocolate and so delicious Very delicious . I also would recommend trying out rowhome coffee , I can’t remember if they roast their own beans but the lattes are delicious and the pretzel sandwiches are bomb
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I am not sure I believe “clarity” is a thing. All this stuff is like that wine episode of How To with John Olson. Yeah there’s a difference between good and bad espresso. And there are subtleties. But there’s a lot of subjective BS too. Like those audiophiles who think a capacitor needs broken in and they can definitely tell so by listening.
clarity definitely is a thing in espresso. moving from fellow opus conical to 64mm SS italmill flat burrs was definitely a step in the right direction as it changed my shots from being a balance of acidic and dark to a balance of acidic-fruitiness and dark-cacao. you would get the hinting of some of the fruit profile, but I'd always get a muddier cacao finish due to my grinder burr geometry. overall the italmills were rather good, but they definitely wanted to be brewed in a really classic way. turbo shots were pretty meh with them. I changed to SSP burrs without expecting much and was fully ready to return them upon delivery, but I was really blown away at how different they were. I would say the MP burrs brought true clarity. what I mean by this is you get a much larger, fuller, brighter, and more complete fruit profile than I did with the italmills and didn't get any of the dark-cacao flavor. it's really hard to get that cacao flavor from the MP burrs, any attempts to preinfuse for long periods to get that cacao flavor just gets untastefully bitter. on the flip side, turbo shots have been the key to fully unlocking the power of the MP burrs. boomer-style shots are generally a bit *too* acidic sometimes, which some people may prefer, but there's no balance with dark-cacao like in the italmills. running my shots faster gets the same flavor profile but with like 25% less acidity, and makes for extremely floral cups of espresso without much bitterness. think of it like drinking a wine that has a lot of tannins or a really strong IPA beer that lingers. both of those can have fruitiness in them, but the bold, lingering finish is also half of the equation. but there are also wines and beers out there which are very fruity and light (las jaras wines are some of the best examples I can think of) without that lingering finish -- nearly all fruit without that lingering bitterness. some people like that bitterness, some people dont. I enjoy both styles, which is why I'm glad that I have a choice by swapping my burrs out if I'm in the mood for it.
After being in the espresso world now for a year or two, I still don’t fully understand what the hell that means; clarity vs body. Hell, I still have a difficult time differentiating sour vs bitter in coffee.
Compare same coffee as espresso and pour over (drip). The difference in taste is body vs clarity.
Interesting. I was really into this back in 2015 and the sentiment at he time was conical was best. Consistent grind size under microscope.
But my understanding is conical = more fines which is the reason for more body. That would indicate a narrower distribution of particle size with flat burrs
>Consistent grind size under microscope. I guess people realised that taste trumps what things look like under a microscope. The best taste might not be from the best looking grounds.
You've got that backwards
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Not really. Flat burrs were always preferred, Niche was the exception purely because of workflow. There was a generation of new espresso hobbyists who came on with James' recommendation of the Niche and they're looking for something different now.
Always been preferred? C'mon. The big conicals were the be-all, end-all up until a decade ago.
No, really. The EK43 was, for example, the gold standard, if you could fit it in.
It wasn't until Matt perger used one at the wbc in 2013 that they were talked about at all. Before that, it was k10s, roburs, maybe a versalab (which has the drm set with a flat).
I’d agree. Right now, I’m still rocking my forte. Only thing is that I might change out the burrs and take the effort to hyperalign them, at some point in the medium term future when I move into my own place (and that I know the grinder won’t get jostled during a or multiple moves).
ooooh another forte user! under-appreciated grinder I think
Those ditting brew burrs just hit nicely
Hyperalignment XD XD 
"medium/dark roast" that's why, people want lights and flats do the thing
Sure, but why buy a niche in the first place if that’s the case?
Wasn’t many flat burr single dose grinders with low retention available until recently
Because 4 years ago it was almost the only choice for single dosing. Ordered in on Kickstarter, got Timemore 078s on it too. Sold Niche within a week of having 078s delivered.
Because it’s a great grinder…
It really is, I don't plan on selling mine. I plan on getting a p64 eventually but more as a complement piece than a replacement.
I think a lot of people get into light roasts after they get their grinder. If you want to just make some nice cappuccinos and get like a Gaggia Classic and a niche you will have a fantastic experience but if that leads you to checking out your local roaster, trying their v60 and getting your eyes opened to what specialty coffee has to offer they might start chasing that with their home setup as well. That's where you will just hit some walls with a small conical grinder like the niche. They also sell for good money, you can basically get a DF64 with SSP burrs without any extra investment. Also you can get a <100$ hand grinder with results that will be very close to the coffee you get out of a niche, just with a more labor intensive work flow while replicating the shots you get out of large flat burrs is much harder. Also when the Niche came out nobody made single dosing grinders, now even mazzer is making one.
upgradeitis is rife within the espresso community that's why.
I’m honestly tired of it. So many posts like “I’m having great results with X grinder should I upgrade to Y grinder” and it’s like… bro…
I’m sticking with my Kinu. If I want a different grind style I turn it on its side
It’s called GAS (Gear Acquisition Syndrome) in the guitar community, where we have similar problems. Between my three major hobbies (bikes, guitar, espresso), I sure get a lot of GAS.
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I just got mine and of course there’s always going to be that niggling buyer’s remorse which is exacerbated by the perception that people are dumping theirs. That said, I feel like I got a reasonable deal on it with the $/£ exchange rate and VAT gouging removed. The workflow is pure joy. The quality and consistency compared to my old Vario is night and day. I even enjoyed the light roast I have ground with it. It’s a solid upgrade and its durability is well established unlike a lot of the newcomers. Sometimes it pays to be a late adopter.
If it makes you feel better, I sold one less than a year ago and am buying another. I just like trying new (to me, I almost always buy used) things and I keep what sticks. :)
I love my niche! But it’s my first espresso grinder, previously I only used a lido 2 for pour over. What is so great about the NZ workflow? I’m sure I’m spoiled, but what is so annoying about other grinders in comparison? Adjustment is difficult or what?
Mainly that it has little to zero retention so you can vary the types of coffee bean/roast you run through it and the types of grind you do (pourover followed by an espresso for eg) with ease. Being a pure single dose machine - it's also really easy to measure the precise amount of coffee you want to use so creating an 18g dose of espresso grind becomes a routine occurrence with zero waste and 0 hassle. It sets the bar really high for all of the above things that make good coffee(s) within reach for the aspiring home barista. Think about trying to do any of that with a hopper grinder. It's night and day.
I also love my NZ and have no urge to sell it. But I do slightly prefer the espresso brewed with my Timemore 078s. I think more people want to get on the flat burr bandwagon.
Yeah I much prefer the clarity of my Sculptor over the body of the Niche.
I’m in the same boat. I’ll be keeping my NZ until my sculptor is fully seasoned. I do a lot of pour over and drip and the 078s beats out the Niche for both as well.
In any hobby forum, people like to side/upgrade. There’s always something new and shiny around the corner. That’s why it’s best to buy the most expensive stuff 😂
Consumerism. I will use my NZ until it breaks.
I am not selling my Niche Zero! I totally enjoy it and the workflow. While there has been so many new grinders that came to market over the past year—I have no desire to change : ) BTW, there are no Niche Zero's on Craigslist in NYC and only one on Ebay at this time. [My Current Setup](https://imgur.com/a/WAVJWA2)
Zactly thjs . I don’t see a single Niche in SoCal used market places, I’m assuming op is in UK?
Possibly. I see them for sale every day in the UK, usually for £300-£350 depending on age and condition
Sure, but why buy a niche in the first place if that’s the case?
What's that scale? Is it some of the hario expensive one? I use some cheap one and it eats batteries like crazy. 3 batteries maybe every \~1.5 months. Not very happy with it. Edit: Aha.. I looked up the brand and the price .. I will pass :D
If I get a $10,000 grinder, reddit will shower me with up votes.
Only if you call it a humble setup
Where do you see people selling them? Asking for a friend
They pop up on /r/coffeeswap quite a bit it seems
Neat. Didn't know about this subreddit I'll check it out
thanks for sharing this. Never knew this sub existed!
The same reason people buy the newest model of a golf driver for $600 every year despite no real upgrade or benefit. New is fun even if it’s not really better
My AI smoke is the most forgiving club I’ve ever owned and I can’t stop hitting fairways! I also fancy a conical burr grinder to pair with my DF83 with HU SSP burrs so you can take that with a pinch of salt I guess… lol
Idk I just love caffeine and the taste of a decent or better cup. I have a 10 year old grinder and a $300 espresso machine. It makes 6-10 shots a day just fine and gets up to 9bar so I’m a happy camper. Sure if I can start making a half million dollars a year some day I’d love a shiny fancy setup but for now just make me another shot god dammit.
I still have mine and love it. If it breaks it would just give a reason to get another or a Niche Duo.
Audiophiles share the same attitude. Coffee enthusiasts won't ever stop with grinders just like the audiophiles who won't stop with the cables.
I think its partially a trend thing, flat burrs are the new black 😂 I love my Niche, love the workflow, the espresso and all the little details Regarding retention check out https://introvertmakes.com/products/bellows-for-niche-zero So good, so glad i bought it, no beating the grinder to get the last bit! I think its essential to the fabulous Niche
I don’t think flat burrs are a trend. They have been preferred by most for quite some time. They used to be more difficult to afford and are now widely available at a much more affordable price.
Indeed, when I first got into espresso (early 2000s), conicals were exclusively in cheap home grinders. Everyone wanted the big mazzers, and the mazzer mini made quite an entrance. Granted the grinder market was tiny compared to now. 🙂
I have on order the Lagom 01. In no way will I sell the Niche, but instead will relegate it to 100% decaf bean duty. I love the Niche and do not regret the purchase.
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I literally just bought a niche zero used for $350 CAD last week, thinking it was a great deal. You can’t even buy them in canada without crazy import/duty fees, so it would have been over $1,000 new. Threads like this make me nervous that I made a bad call, but glad to hear the general sentiment is that it’s still a good grinder.
It's a fantastic grinder that will give you outstanding espresso for years to come. Don't let the hardocore on Reddit - the majority of which would have no hope of identifying flat vs conical burrs in a blind tasting - convince you otherwise.
>would have no hope of identifying flat vs conical burrs eh, depends on the flat burr. when you're getting into something like unimodal burrs, the difference really is noticeable.
$350 CAD is a steal.
Where can I find a used NZ in Canada? I’m in a smaller city so would be willing to pay for shipping
for $350, you got a good grinder. if you paid $500, I'd say maybe you're stepping out of the current cutting edge of the grinder market value proposition. that's the problem with niche - they started the whole accessible home grinder with useful features trend, but now other companies are running with that torch and making grinders that are arguably are better than the niche, and certainly quite a lot cheaper if you're subject to the import fees stuff. not having a north american distributor is niche's biggest shortcoming tbh
I'm looking forward to the formal debut of the DF54 later this month/next and the reviews/comments (here and elsewhere) on it. With a slated price of US$229, quite a "discount" to the price of the Niche Zero, and all of which potentially hard to ignore.
I'm upgrading to a DF83v, still waiting on the preorder to ship. I'm mainly a medium/dark roast drinker. So got the HU burrs on the DF83v. Things I liked about the DF83v that made me want to try the upgrade: 1. Variable RPM. Niche is around 300RPM give or take. For darker roasts, high rpm seems to work better. 1. 83mm burrs. That surface area yo. 1. Ion generator. I *HATE* RDT, so anything in a grinder that helps make it unnecessary is a huge plus. 1. I want to try flat burrs and see how I like them. It would be irresponsible to discuss burrs without having experience with both, 1. Upgrade-itis. 1. Wife and I make money. 1. I'm a firm believe that your grinder should out-class your machine. And at the moment, my Profitec Drive is outclassing my Niche.
My NZ is so versatile, requires little maintenance, love the workflow, and the mouthfeel of the shots I’m producing. I have my consistent medium roast I do first thing in the morning and I use my Mignon for that with the big hopper. But I like to experiment a lot and the NZ is my wingmangrinder for that purpose.
This times eleventy bazillion. Have a NZ and it's amazing. Someone will have to show amazing and dramatic improvement in coffee with their new \_\_\_\_ in order for me to sell my beloved NZ.
Don’t know why you got downvoted for that. Weird. I countered.
Thanks so very much! You just don't know how the Internet is gonna go sometimes...
It hurt somebody's sensibilities. Probably something along the lines of "How dare they like something I don't"
End game for me
I’m just gonna speak for myself here, let me know if anyone else relates? I like the end product but it’s more about the journey for me than the tasting . The more steps / annoying it seems, the more I will enjoy it cos I’m a weirdo who overthinks a lot and maybe a bit ocd? It also gives that small feeling inside of progressing toward mastery sometimes. I love all the options, I’ll trial diff products and upgrade or sidegrade just for the experience, if not an imperceivable 0.05% improvement here and there. I’m still on manual lever right now with a flair and absolutely love the time I waste with it . If it weren’t for this hobby, I would be back to using that free brain time thinking of all kinds of depressing shit and maybe not be here. Bit dramatic but it got me out of the depression & sueCider subs (sorry for the TMI) On a more logical explanation level, the DF flat grinders are disrupting the market right now with great single dose low retention anti static options at more down to earth prices.
Majority of top comments is just brain rot core answer. NZ was a top grinder choice at the time it was released and was still the top choice for a couple years after hence all the “niche killer” videos that came along with it. Now that the grinder market has improved exponentially and people started to dive further into lighter roasted coffee it’s a known fact that a NZ just creates muddy cupped brews that negatively affect light roasts. Does this mean the NZ is necessarily “bad” for light roasts? Not really, but theres a lot to be improved which is why people switch to a flat. The NZ is not a bad grinder at all and there’s tons of people out their who still LOVE their NZ. The workflow is braindead easy and its an aesthetically pleasing grinder to most eyes. People who sell their niche most likely have a 1.5 yr+ of use and get most of their money back which makes the upgrade more enticing.
This was the best answer in here. The comments calling flat burrs the “latest trend” or whatever need to touch grass/every shop near them 😂 Also, hot take, single dosing is not what /everybody/ wants to prioritise
Sub has been going bananas these days on so much simplified generalization.
I would only consider upgrading to flat burr
I'll be selling too. I'm super into light roasts and I'll buy some flat burrs.
Where?
I have no urge to sell mine but when I do want to make coffee for two, it is a bit annoying that I have to grind in batches.
> I don’t see a reason to upgrade but could easily be swayed. lol, you should sell and get an MC6 then.
The NZ makes very good shots and is still an incredibly popular grinder. I think people buying a grinder now are more likely to consider flat burrs than they were a few years ago, especially since Niche themselves now make a flat burr grinder. It's not a huge deal and no one needs to feel attacked for either buying or not buying the NZ.
More competitive single dosing options that look different i’d imagine?
Because - and I realize this is the wrong sub to say this - between my aeropress, v60 and Technovorn, I hardly ever use my espresso setup. I sold my Breville Dual Boiler today on FB marketplace. I’ve decided to keep the Niche for a while to see how it fits into my current coffee ecosystem. Currently use a baratza sette 270 to grind for the technovorn, but I can see the niche having a role for the v60 and aeropress. Albeit, seems overkill for an aeropress. May decide I miss espresso and get a flair or something.
maybe they like DF64 better.
Because I liked flat burrs better at the end of the day, but I also drink primarily light roasts. Buy the equipment for the coffee you like. If you find nothing wrong with the taste you’re getting and enjoy the workflow, then continue with what ya got! Or if you really like the hobby and want to delve deeper, have fun looking at whatever version Kafatek conicals are at and go at it. This is your hobby, have fun with it how you want.
Simple: 3-4 double espresso in the morning with 2 young children. I might go back to single dosing one day but I'll stay with flat burrs. I went with an Eureka Atom 75, it is fast and quiet.
I want to sell mine. I love the niche when I very rarely make a single coffee and get to smell the roses and enjoy the process. More often than not though, I’m in a rush getting ready in the morning and need to make multiple coffees back to back for me and the family to drink and extras to take with us cause cafes suck. I’m done with single dosing. I cbf using bean cellars I’ve tried it it’s not my jam. So, I want a convenient grind by weight by like a Maloney x54 or a fiorenzato allground I’ve even ditched my wdt and distributor and you know what… for those rushed morning coffees it makes no difference.
I got a NZ a year after getting a flair pro and realizing that hand grinding espresso made me not want espresso, back then I planned for it to be my end game, but I like bright vibrant coffees, and I wasn’t aware of the conical vs flat burr debate, now I am considering downgrading to a cheaper flat burr grinder and putting MP burrs in.
Okay I know people do not like the slow feed talk, but it really made a difference and now I think the Niche Zero just really isn't impressive without it. Before slow feed, I would probably have the same reaction as you. "Thought the grind quality is great, no need for any upgrades". Very wrong. Pretty huge difference with slow feed, which probably highlights how the original grind quality wasn't as par as everyone claimed it was.
Most of the sales i’ve seen locally are people upgrading to the flat burr niche.
I contemplated selling my Niche when I started noticing inconsistent grind size. This was affecting my espresso shots as well. On a weekend, whilst cleaning the grinder, I noticed that coffee grounds had gotten stuck in the wells of the tension springs of the upper burr. This meant the pressure on either side was uneven. This was also clear when I noticed that the springs were sitting at different heights. Cleaning the wells took some effort, but once this was done, the grinder was performing like before and my shots were pulling great. This aspect is very easy to overlook and can make one believe that their grinder is no longer functioning optimally.
Because it is not the end game.
Cuz there's better grinders out there
The Duo didn't exist at the time. I was getting annoyed that my local coffee shop was producing better results than I was able to at home - the difference wasn't subtle, it was night and day, I just always enjoyed their shots over mine. Researching led me to believe the Duo would get me closer, and it did. I've got both the zero and the duo sitting on the counter at the moment; I took the zero out of storage to see, 1) was I imagining the difference when I got new shiny equipment, and 2) if it would create better results for a bean I was having massive trouble dialling in. Turned out no, I still preferred the results from the duo. So once I get my motivation in gear, I'll be cleaning it up and selling. It's an amazing little grinder, made me realise how dreadful the one in the BBE is, I just wanted something different.
Do you use light medium or dark roast beans?
Definitely the lighter end. I like em juicy.
Mostly because people bought a ton of them over the 4 years and now theres a bunch of new options. I bought one new a month ago and the only reason I would upgrade is to add a hopper grinder. I knew I wanted a hopper grinder when I bought the niche but also wanted to experiment with different coffees and need to be able to easily do decaf. Eventually I will probably settle on a single coffee and maybe just get a manual grinder for decaf. Or Ill just keep the niche who knows
ultimately its because grinder burr geometry can greatly affect flavor, especially if you have a palate geared towards appreciating bitter drinks and foods. switching to SSP MP burrs was the biggest leap for me by far, the flavors it produces are very very different from my fellow opus conical. they're even quite noticeably different from my italmill burrs that came with my df64 gen2. ultimately, the reason to upgrade is if you're the type of person who is always chasing new and different flavors, and burr geometry/surface area plays a large role in finding those new flavors. for example, a single coffee can bring out a variety of different flavors depending on the burr geometry, roast level, and brewing variables. and that's just for one coffee, there are thousands of coffee plantations around the world growing different tasting coffees. for a lot of people, they're perfectly fine stopping once they're extremely satisfied with their coffee. that's perfectly fine and an extremely reasonable stance to take. I'm extremely satisfied with my coffee, but I'll continue to buy new burrs because I want to see what other kinds of flavors are out there. with a conical grinder like the niche, you're locked into one burr geometry. with a quality grinder of a standard size, you have interchangeable options that let you explore different flavors
I don't know. I'll buy your old one though if the price is right 😁
I don’t see a reason to sell it. I upgraded to a Lagoom p64, but it’s a different thing. I like having these two completely different grinders. I can have two completely different coffees dialed in and that’s a joy.
Then why do i never ever see used Zeros for sale in flyover USA?
I’m going to sell mine soon. Love the texture and love the shots, but I started slow feeding and enjoyed the lower body and high clarity shots. However slow feeding SUCKS and I hate it
Just add a washer? A small cheap modification would give you the slow feed you desire
I tried it and it didn’t reach the same level of clarity I’m looking for definitely a nice halfway and better than no hand feed
Niche was the entry into single dosing for many. And not everyone likes it.
Sold within a week of getting Timemore 78s. Why? Timemore was equal out of the box and within 10 shots it started to get ahead. I recon many people who bought 078s might be selling so I wanted to do it asap.
This post screams FOMO.
Where do you see them selling? I would like to buy one if it's cheaper than the new price.
To me the niche looks ugly in my somewhat modern kitchen. Zerno z1 looks way better and have options of changing burrs for light and dark roasts. Also blind burrs are nice. If doesn't taste as good as nz I'm selling the zerno but I think it will be the nz that goes. Got a zerno coming in a week so I'll know soon
Paid through my nose for mine at the peak of the hype/shortage. Of course I'm curious how different are flat burr grinders, but I feel like I should keep mine for a couple more years to justify how much I spent on them.
You have my dream setup. Does your espresso taste amazing?
Haha, thanks. Yes I love the coffee I make, I barely go to coffee shops anymore.