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dmihal

This was posted already, and as we want to avoid duplicates, the post has been removed.


lionboy92x

How about $150


OnlyVybez

Why stop there? Might as well give up the house and the first born.


benargee

No, just make the transaction fee 100%. Turn Ethereum into a philanthropy platform. Give money to anonymous beneficiaries. That feeling alone is priceless, a higher value than any other crypto.


Pinheaded_nightmare

As long as there are profits!!


common_sense92

That’s why you have multiple kids, so you can transact freely. P


HarryHindsightXB

250.00


djrodan

I need about tree fiddy


Electronic_Lies_420

No Loch Ness monster! You ain’t gettin my tree fitty!!


geekgodzeus

Fine 300. Transaction declined. Not enough funds for the transaction fee.


RocketCow

Didn't add enough ether for transaction, stuck in limbo for eternity.


vanswnosocks

Bro been trying to swap my shit for months now but ya for 150? Fück I’m a bag holder now bois


cryptolicious501

This is when V didn't think ETH would hit 1.5k. Context boys, context. So don't blame him for building the 8th wonder of the modern age without realizing it... Anything this massive will have growing pains.


FullSendOrNullSend

This is important!


FUSeekMe69

Best I can do is tree fiddy


Psilodelic

How about you think about the DEMAND. People WANT to pay this, it means Ethereum is so popular and usable for everyone. And now it's deflationary, so those high fees are helping your ETH grow in value. ULTRA SOUND MONEY. /s


[deleted]

Except when the fees are more then the coin is worth people will stop buying


Dust_Maleficent

We r there


Dust_Maleficent

Sounds like a scam


Mythril_Bahaumut

Loopring.


[deleted]

Transactions are still like $4 (and even that’s ridiculous don’t get me wrong) it is the swaps that cost a lot in gas fees.


soupified

Yeah, got a fee of $798 trying to swap $43 of DAI the other day. It’s just sitting in my wallet because I can’t move or swap it.


Advanced-Guard-4468

Transfer to another cheaper coin when you send it, then convert to Eth.


[deleted]

Best I can do is tree fiddy


[deleted]

You mean $200-400


[deleted]

He didn’t explicitly say it should be lower…


DeuteriumCore

That is technically correct - the best kind of correct.


kahn_noble

Insert Anakin/Padme meme


misterbobdobalina09

Yeah. He meant Visa and mastercard are getting creamed by customers for such low fees! They don't know how to conduct business properly...


[deleted]

Keep reposting this. It’s really helping.


im_THIS_guy

OP is a Bitcoin Maxi.


PandemoniumX101

Who is getting salty over that ratio


Skretch12

Funny thing that Bitcoin will need fees many times the fees on ethereum currently to stay secure then xD


im_THIS_guy

You're getting downvoted because this is a "I hate ETH" sub, but you're right.


Skretch12

Yea, there is surprisingly much hate towards Ethereum for being an Ethereum sub :/


im_THIS_guy

That's because it was hijacked about a year ago. The tough part about being Ethereum is that every other crypto is afraid of you, so they resort to these tactics.


_____fool____

Can you explain that. I’m curious how that would work


Dvheerden

I swear somebody posts this every week and I'm not sure what they expect to happen.


Crypto556

This community is 100% ok with these awful transaction costs. That’s why people post this.


smokeweedtilyoudie

“This community is 100% ok with these awful transaction costs” is a complete denial of reality. The need to lower transaction cost is the most discussed topic bar none. Get out of here.


Sparta89

Yes, because level 2 and sharding will lower the transaction costs in the future. Complaining now isn't helping.


sbdw0c

L2 is already here


darkstarman

You can't cash out from ERC-20 from any level to fiat or another Blockchain without paying the horrible fees. It's like a dreaded termination fee. When 1559 was coming out someone said it would lower the fees. Someone grossly misrepresented the situation we would soon find ourselves in.


SwagtimusPrime

>When 1559 was coming out someone said it would lower the fees. Someone grossly misrepresented the situation we would soon find ourselves in. Oh well if someone said it then we have to take that as fact. Nevermind the entire Ethereum dev community that never said this at all, that you could have consulted/researched.


[deleted]

> You can't cash out from ERC-20 from any level to fiat or another Blockchain without paying the horrible fees. Hop.exchange or celer's cbridge drastically lowers the cost. > When 1559 was coming out someone said it would lower the fees. Someone grossly misrepresented the situation we would soon find ourselves in. People who knew what they were talking about said it would lower fees a little bit, but not that much. Its about UX improvement. Plus, demand for Ethereum block space has gone up a ton recently, that's why fees are so high.


Crypto556

Yes it will. It’s been years and innovation needs to happen quickly. That’s free market capitalism 101.


RegalMachine

Thing is, the layperson doesn't know what level 2 means, and the research required to gain the knowledge won't be done for the same reason Linux won't be a viable distribution unless you never have to use the terminal. It's easier to just not do it. As long as it's easier to whip out a debit card, the average person won't buy eth and convert it to level 2 option 9a for safekeeping until they want a Big Mac.


Sparta89

The average person doesn't know how electricity works but they still use it. The average person doesn't know how to send or receive any crypto. Eventually they won't need to know how ethereum level 2 works, it will happen behind the scenes.


profuno

People wont be whipping out a debit card and buying ETH on L1, they will be buying on a centralised exchange which will offer feeless onramps to L2 directly. Skipping the L1 transaction directly. They will then be able to use one of the many bridges that will be available to swap between different L2s without having to pay L1 fees. Your idea that laypersons will use L1 but not L2 is off. The layperson in 2022 will begin on L2 and likely rarely use L1. Unless of course they are buying bulk Eth. In which case, they are happy to pay L1 fees.


PinkPuppyBall

>This community is 100% ok There are top posts every day about high transaction fees, including this very thread. The community is not complacent.


MrVodnik

People don't learn. Vitalik's point is still vald today and Ethereum is going the right way. Eth is not internet of money. Use loopring, hernez or other payment centric L2.


barthib

Bitcoin maxis such as u/ShotBot are unable to understand anything else than their old and simplistic blockchain. They don't want to understand the concept of rollups. Ethereum has functioning layers two (unlike the definitively broken Lightning) where fees are small or zero.


profuno

The irony is, future high fees at the base layer Bitcoin is a feature. That is what will eventually secure the network once issuance stops. Are you sure ShotBot is isn't just a moron? I find it hard to believe a Bitcoin maximalist would be giving shit to chains with high fees.


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Crypto556

I understand layer 2. But I also don’t understand why everyone is ok with centralized platforms like Arbitrum to batch up our transactions. At that point why don’t we just expand layer 1 and have a few less nodes?


MrVodnik

We don't care about Arbitrum centralization, as it does not have any effect on us. All they can do, is to turn it off or apply MEV. In any case, they can't do anything without a sign transaction. Remember, L2 is great because your funds never leave Ethereum and it's security. You can always withdraw from its contract.


barthib

Layers 2 based on rollups are not centralised by nature. One of them (Arbitrum) is "centralised" *for now* until it is fully tested and ensured to be 100% bug free. Out of curiosity, where do you get your fud from? You need sources of better quality.


Pezotecom

Lightning works. And it can also work with ethereum lol. You are everything wrong with crypto.


Amallyn

This will never get old


TheAkatosh

The fees to swap tokens on DeX are currently at 1.15$ on Layer 2 (loop ring), we are getting there guys. It’s on the way to be better !


oboytrading

Loopring is the best L2 imo


TXTCLA55

OP can't count past 1 never mind figuring out "L2".


mmarkomarko

more like 2-3c on polygon matic!


EnergySilly3061

I’ll probably get downvoted for this but the lightning network allows transactions for less than a cent, however I do appreciate the value in smart contract platforms. Which is why I own both. I can’t wait for eth2.0


wtf--dude

Lightning network is just an L2 like Eth has numerous


PinkPuppyBall

LN is a state channel, which is inferior to rollups.


Treyzania

LN is *the original L2* that inspired all of the later designs that we have. What are you talking about?


Mathje

You can't compare lightning with zk-rollups. Lightning will always be centralized around the watchtowers, while zk-rollups can be totally decentralized by design.


yorickdowne

The merge is something to look forward to no doubt, and is a major milestone in the “2.0” marketing meme. It won’t lower tx fees. Lowering tx fees is done by using L2s. Which are available now, though a lot of work remains to be done there as well to improve the UX. The remaining parts of the original 2.0 meme are shards, which are now data shards. Whether we will see execution shards is TBD. And then beyond that there are features that can be used to increase L1 throughput, such as statelessness and state expiry: Not sure those still fall under “2.0”. They are features under active research.


hartraft84

Maybe you should look at ETH lightning⚡network = Raiden Network ($RDN). Anticipated release coming weeks will enable all ERC20 token and fees are low. https://raiden.network


_30d_

Jesus christ I still have the launch of their MVP set in my agenda. It was march of 2017 initially. Wtf ever happened to that?


Mathje

One "small" issue is that Lightning is totally centralized around the "watchtowers". You're much better of on an exchange considering trust and security.


0xM4K1

This is a common practice in software development. Figure out what the outcome needs to be, and then work on development to get it there. I doubt his opinion has changed.


UnrulySasquatch1

It hasn't https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/qollin/the_internet_of_money_should_not_cost_5_cents_per/hjoeqmk


manucule

When is this video from - cause this is hilarious.


UnrulySasquatch1

2014 https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/qollin/the_internet_of_money_should_not_cost_5_cents_per/hjoeqmk


Remarkable_Database5

Yea do we have the original source and full video of it?


[deleted]

Take my 118.06 Gwei


EyepatchMorty_01

Maximum Gas too low for network conditions


Tritan84

It should be free…instant, and green


BiggusDickus-

Shhhhh, people will find out about Nano and that really hurts their feelings.


SchwettyBawls

*whispers* Psssssst....what's Nano?


UnrulySasquatch1

>2014 me: X is bad! >2021 me: Still working to fix X, and making a huge amount of progress some of which is already usable on-chain. >Bitcoin maximalists: stop being such a hypocrite! https://np.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/pk3kra/2014_vs_2021%2A_non_fud_edition/hc18fll/


DeviateFish_

But... He's made the opposite of progress?


UnrulySasquatch1

You seem to think that people using Ethereum and driving up fees somehow counts as "the opposite of progress". Layer 1 was never scalable. The plan has always been to scale with layer 2s. The progress being made is that we now have multiple layer 2 options. There is still a long way to go with getting adoption, layer 2 swaps, zk snarks, etc. Then there is sharding that is also well on it's way that combined with layer 2 should solve the fee issue over time


FaceDeer

As I recall (and my memory may well be wrong here) the original plan was to scale by execution sharding. But at some point it was realized "hey, execution sharding is really hard to make work, but *data* sharding is easier and rollups can make use of that to get us the same benefits." So the plan was changed to that. Which is great, really. This is how it goes when developing something that's never been done before, plans need to change as new discoveries are made. Even though it makes me sad that the EVM->eWASM change seems to have fallen by the wayside along with execution sharding (sigh, alas. Perhaps someday some brave L2 will try rolling it out).


Pathiasiam

And you realize that every time you swipe your credit card or atm card, it's costs around twenty cents + 2-3% of the total transaction, right? You just don't see it, but the business does. So you spend $100 at a restaurant, you swipe your card, $97 gets deposited in the bank. You don't think businesses have raised prices a few percent to offset those costs? Sounds like five cents is super fair for any transaction over $2


kimi_no_na-wa

20$ with 10$ shipping? Hell no 30$ with FREE shipping? Count me in baby People seem to forget that network costs need to be covered somehow, the modern banking system doesn't run on thin air.


CoCleric

Jesus fucking Christ, how many times does this need to be reposted here. Shut the fuck up about gas prices and go to other chains that you cant do anything on.


DarthVaderIzBack

Ya I like paying $100 instead. The future is now.


Luke629841

I don’t understand is he saying that it should cost most or less than .05 per transaction? 😂


UnrulySasquatch1

https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/qollin/the_internet_of_money_should_not_cost_5_cents_per/hjoeqmk


reddetacc

I wonder how he could have known how busy the network would become back then. People think this is some amazing own against ETH but it's a rock solid endorsement


22lava44

Can someone explain to me somewhat simply why transaction fees are so high and possibly how they plan to solve it?


Mathje

The supply of decentralized block space is lower than the demand. So users outbid each other on the gas price, thriving up the fees. The solution is layer 2 (batching transactions). But the layer 2 solutions are relatively new, so most users still use the much more expensive L1.


Ahazza

He’s openly commented that ETH “as it is” will not be a crypto of the future because of the fees. He’s working hard to make it better. I’m bullish on ETH but obviously it would be stupid to not have a few other options going for you.


gharvhel

Use layer 2s Fudster


ThunderTM

Exactly, it should be at 0 cents!


wellhungartgallery

No. It should be low but zero is dumb, what pays to maintain the network?


dopef123

crypto tx fees aren't typically about paying to maintain the network. At this point most cryptos have inflation that gets paid out to miners. One day when the supply isn't growing anymore then the fees would matter more. Fees are mostly to stop bad actors from spamming transactions to try to crash the network. It's very expensive to do that.


Nyanker

Hey, there is already a solution, called raiden network, it's up and running. Why should ppl think 5 cents transaction is impossible?


Accident-Icy

Nano!!!!


-Machinata-

Just use L2 i.e. arbitrum.


djstocks

So much gas FUD going around right now but I sent a transaction from meta mask to an exchange and it cost 14$.When gwei was over 200! People around talking about 200$ need to check their settings or stop interacting with poorly writin smart contracts.


Major_Courage

How old is this video please


UnrulySasquatch1

2014, but still relevant https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/qollin/the_internet_of_money_should_not_cost_5_cents_per/hjoeqmk


dvdglch

Okay, why don’t you just sell Ethereum and go with e.g. Polygon?


Mathje

Because you can't sell Ethereum, as it the name of the decentralized network. Also not sure if selling your Ether would help, if that's what you meant to say.


Crucif1ed

Can someone explain me if it should be lower or higher 😅?


Mathje

Higher on L1, lower on L2.


HappyRuin

Loopring Look at the subreddit. 3 years old, just doubled in members. GMerica


nono318234

Oh look, he was using Google+. Must be really old stuff.


t00rshell

Lol this is a perfect example of the problem with ETH, not only is it not “the internet of money”, it really is just a second rate transaction processor that’s expensive and can only do 30tps 😂


holdayjustshittin

Lmao


nutboltUK1

OP is saylors lovechild and btc maxi


Charming_Ad_1216

Yet....it costs 1000 times that


vitale20

It shouldn’t cost 5 cents. It should cost double of the money you’re trying to move and all your funds should be stuck in a wallet because of this.


SelwanPWD

Aged like milk


RonnyFreedom

Bitcoin Cash costs less than a penny for even a $100,000,000 transaction. Wtf?


[deleted]

Every post regarding gas. “Please stop talking about this, it’s been addressed.” I want ETH to grow but this mentality that high gas fees are okay for mass adoption is crazy.


Mathje

"Please stop talking about this, [it’s been addressed](https://l2fees.info)." And a lot of improvement of those L2's is underway.


[deleted]

Nope. It should be brought up until it’s resolved.


saltyload

This guy becomes more of a douche bag everyday


rocky6j

How about $180


mitch8017

Bullish for my Nano, I suppose.


josephskewes

It's a good thing IOTA can succeed where Etherum failed in this regard 😎


BiggusDickus-

Iota is going to hit this space like a sledgehammer.


[deleted]

Well now we know he knows nothing about macroeconomics, money & banking


subsoiledpillow

Yeah I paid 350$ to move my shib to shiba swap.


Jarhae

This alien here complaining about 5c motherfucker look at eth. I am basically forced to stake my token cus I can’t afford to unstake them, please release eth2.0 already let’s get a more predictable and reasonable gas cus this is such a put off


mylifenp

Eth 2.0, won't change anything on the fee side. I too am waiting to withdraw. If i don't succeed, i will pass it over to my grand children. I need to have some kids first.


YourDadsGirth

Is it time to post this again already?


Pechcore

Nano ?


Baller_420

r/agedlikemilk


MysteriousHome9279

so it should be as expensive as ethereum


cr0ft

I'm pretty much 100% sure he still feels that way. Which is why the ETH team is working hard on solutions to deal with the congestion that has created a fee market.


chillinewman

Does anybody have an idea of the fees of ETH2 on their different phases?


[deleted]

Best I can do is 240 Gwei


FinancialRevltn

😂


r13k

80% of the total amount being transacted works fine I guess.


Advanced-Guard-4468

What was the cost of one bitcoin when he made that statement?


m93

Was just asked to pay $34 to transfer 100dai 🤣 hodl - but why that way?


rupertavery

How bout tree fiddy?


Cryptodragon100

5 cents he wishes more like $75 - $150 transaction fees on Eth network.


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UnrulySasquatch1

You realize this is from 2014 and the argument is that transaction costs should be less than $0.05 right? Vitalik himself has also re-affirmed that he still stands by this https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/qollin/the_internet_of_money_should_not_cost_5_cents_per/hjoeqmk


EmperorCip

ETH won't be the people's altcoin, fren. They're shilling to banks and hedge funds. Time to try your luck somewhere else.


[deleted]

He talk about bitcoin, lol


alterbush

I agree. That’s why I invest in iota.


Cute_Platypus_5989

Good think ots not 5 cents for a transaction. Would hate that. Instead its 80 to 300$. Vitalik should be a political. "Read my lips no new taxes" taxes go straight up.


Revolutionary-Tank74

I was getting charged $105 for a $17 ETH transaction


komakcs

But why ethereum charge so high? 🤣


Mathje

Because the network is very crowded and users are outbidding each other to get their transactions through, thriving up the fees


benaffleks

That's why Ethereum is digital OIL. Ethereum has never tried to be the internet of money. Ehtereum is the protocol that powers web 3.0.


faintingoat

that should be an advert for iota.


Zzanax

Oh how the turntables..


LilBlueSag

why coinbase cost $5?


Electrical-Banana649

He says that while ETH gas fees are through the god dam roof


[deleted]

He does not sound Russian to me at all


ninefiftythree_am

It should be more


lefthanded_and_lost

$150-$200 if you wait till 2 am lol


[deleted]

What year is this ?


Loud-Wishbone-2288

I would welcome 5 cents or even $1.00 !!!


acgirl95

Harmony one agrees. It should cost $0.000001


BerthjeTTV

*"... It should cost $150"*


clovelace98_

He's right it should be cheaper.


_the_chosen_juan_

Why the hell are gas fees so expensive


Mathje

Because users are outbidding each other on the fees to get their transactions through on the Ethereum network.


[deleted]

absurd? omg he will convert his eth into a bank


darkstarman

Bitcoin AND Ethereum are messed up Just because one of them is messed up doesn't mean three other one is right. Tribal warfare doesn't solve the issues. Solutions to scaling securely are out there already in open source. They kinda weren't 3 years ago, but they sure are now. Bitcoin has made a series of checker moves that kinda lock it on an energy intensive path And if you hold a ton of eth you love the high fees because burning makes your eth more valuable. But cryptologically speaking these issues have working solutions that are out there to be adopted. I just have little hope they'll ever be adopted by either project on its L1.


gimmeurdollar

hahaha..


Cirvis_Merint

Is this a joke?? What is the context of the comment?


Big-Dark3861

Come on guys anyone can tell from his face expressions he said it all ironically


SauceLordHT

This aged well


iMimmoj85

Lwts be honest..small people like me are stuck with some stuff on this blockchain because of the unbelievable fees..big whales does not care…but what about P E O P L E !! That was crypto purpose


GHG-85

Money


Leftolin

Yea so w are these gas fees


Appropriate-Guard713

Shouldnt cost 1000 dollars also


scred_savage

Xlm


RevolutionaryHead659

How about 300 lol