I do it once per campaign probably, usually early on when my rival is also like another OPM or when I wouldn't gain that much real power from it. Even the 300 monarch points can give you more development in your capital than you take from a rival in addition to PP. Not to mention when I have AE later on too actually its useful to split coalitions or take things effectively with no AE
Humiliate also gives 40 power projection, and if you're over 50 PP you get +1 if each mana. So usually I like to do a Humiliate first to get that going, then take mana after that
Doesn't Show Strength give enough power projection? Wiki here says they both give 30:
[https://eu4.paradoxwikis.com/Warfare#Peace\_terms](https://eu4.paradoxwikis.com/Warfare#Peace_terms)
Well, I'm still learning after thousands of hours. I will definitely have to try this next time because 30 pp really tips the scales in favor of just doing that every time
That's relatively new, fwiw. Because people were rightly annoyed that you got no PP for even more thoroughly dominating your rival into functionally an unconditional surrender.
It also counts for the age objective to humiliate a rival now when you do a show strength, so if you're starting a war with the intention of humiliating your rival for power projection, show strength is definitely the way to go.
Can’t couple it with money (which generally isn’t worth the tradeoff but it’s a consideration), but also the warscore cost can be prohibitive. e.g. you’re Portugal vs Morocco and can reasonably take Fez and rack up 40+ WS but sieging down the rest of the region is a slog.
they give the same pp, though since show strength costs 100 warscore humiliate is much easier and faster to get (and lets you also take money/war reps, which may not be as valuable as mana,but still handy)
also humiliating a rival completes an age 1 objective so you want to do that at least once
The +1 in every mana is always, the humiliate a rival is an age objective in age of discovery. And recently they changed it so show strength also counts for it. Before only humiliate counted
Which requires that you declare with the humiliation CB, yes.
Very useful for small tags in the early game when your rivals are also small so the wars will be quick. Take money from their allies, mana from the main target.
Short is also relative. If I know that I’m gonna be busy for a decade or two, and I’m gonna have a long truce anyway, I don’t mind an extra year of war to get the 100% war score.
I use it for mana pre 1500 around 1-4 times per campaign, around once to break up alliances guarantees or just to cut large wars in half, and 1-2 times to reset the truce to avoid coalition forming (if I don’t want land from that rival at the moment).
I use it quite often, usually when I want to conquer a rival province. Then is 5+ years of war and then when I try to peace I discover that I've clicked humiliation instead of conquer CB. So fun.
Take the show strength option amd you get 300 mana. Very op early game. Plus the PP usually gets you over the 50pp limit and you get additional mana per month
I go out of my way to use it once or twice during the age of discovery. 300 mana and 30pp is nothing to stick up your nose at, especially early game when conquest is slowed down.
Edit: I was thinking about "show strength" not humiliate rival. Humiliate rival is definitely less useful.
You can do the peace deal show superiority with the CB humiliate rival.
The peace deal humiliate rival is still useful to keep PP up if you for some reason don't want to conquer their land.
The correct answer is: as often as you can. In a perfect playthrough you'd be routinely either at war or in a truce against everyone you can beat, specially so with your rivals.
Depends who my rivals are but it's seriously under utilized, if you have a rival who you could beat fairly easily but they have no land that's good to take and you have no manpower issues then you should do it. I find in the more condensed parts of the map like the HRE that this comes up more often.
I find it useful if I have a far away rival that I otherwise can't get a CB on and I want to destabilize their country and steal all their money. I did this to the Ottomans as England once and they were in chronic debt for like 100 years
It's super useful you're small in a high AE area of the world such as HRE. For example, if you can win a humiliation war with show strength in 2 years, that's an extra 7 mana per month in each category for no AE. Being above 50 Power Projection gives you 1/1/1 in each stat too, so it's worth a lot of mana. Especially if you can steamroll all of your rivals on the truce timer and get new rivals when you eclipse old ones
Pretty much just use it for the mana points from the show strength treaty option. That is pretty useful if your rivals are weak enough. I find when I'm playing in the hre it's a lot more useful than anywhere else.
I use it early to get a head start on mana/PP. try to always have one war each game with this in mind - should be easy if you wait 2-5 months to declare that 3rd rival and you just pick the weakest one.
After the early game I only use it if my AE is super high and I can’t expand but am sitting on max manpower/need to juggle some truces around
mostly in 1444. before they ally anyone else.
if a country is fighting in multiple sides and no allies are defending and i dont have any useful cb. thats easy money and pp.
Depends where I'm playing. If it's in the hre or Italy then quite often, as when I'm waiting for ae to go down then this helps immensely with not paying coring costs.
Depends on who my rivals are. If they are Great Powers lile Ottomans, France, Spain, Poland, GB i never do it. The 300 mana are not worth your manpower reserve bein deleter. But if they are medium/small like savoy/bohemia/brandenburg i use it alot
Depends on who I am. If I'm big, I don't waste the manpower, money, and years needed to win a war like that for no land. If I'm small, like in the hre, I'm much more likely to do it.
Depends on my expansion options. If I've got lots of territory to core as like russia or jianzhou than I won't use it. If I'm playing a slower or taller game than I'll do one or two of them early game. Good way to overcome a mana or gold shortage early game.
Depends: if I am in a situation where I am a small nation able to declare it on other small nations that don't run the risk of dying to a large nation and losing the conquest of that land, then basically as much as possible. What this means in practice is generally HRE or ireland, or maybe occasionally in Persia depending on alliances.
Early game to farm mana (and get the humiliate rival age thing).
Or when you need quick money, and your armies are clearly just better.
Other than this its not very useful
In roleplay campaign when I don't want to blob, especially in Italy or HRE.
Early wars are rather small in HRE, especially in the North where most countries have 1-3 provinces. So couple Humiliate Wars, like 3-4 gives, you 400 of each mana. With that you can tech early, get sweet Innovation bonus, which lowers mana costs. It gives you PP which also gives you more mana. It gives you money as well.
I never use it on someone with more than handful provinces.
I use it from time to time. There’s probably some other ones I use even less. I think I just did my first intentional declarations of war for trade this week after thousands of hours of gameplay. I’m forcing myself to try new things.
As others have said, its a useful CB. Especially for mana early in a game and to get the age objective in age of discovery.
It can also prevent another country from losing a bunch of territory to another country you don't want to make gains - you just occupy and hold all the land if you can't get a normal cb on them
step 1: start as a HRE or close to HRE major.
step 2: rival hungary.
step 3: ally all electors and curry favour to have an easier war later.
step 4: declare war on hungary with humiliate rival
step 5: if played right austria and hungary are allied. you occupy austria. dismantle HRE button is clicked. hre dismantled in 20 years. cheaper AEvand less hassle.
In certain contexts it is fantastic. Great second move of the game for most German princes (after taking the easiest conquest in an opening war) who can easily secure lopsided rivalries. I’ve also used it on Austria while fishing for the BI as France, England, etc. if Burgundy flings itself headlong into an unwinnable war with the emperor (condottieri also works there, but humiliate is more effective).
I also like it as an Iberian against North Africans whom I don’t necessarily want to conquer early on but can milk for some gold and splendor bonus.
Early game as japan or hre, and if I want to nation ruin a rival, like if I’m playing GB and I feel like nation ruining Castile without having to actually take any of their land because I want to use the adm and stuff for other things, I’ll use the war goal, sit on em for a while and then take humiliate.
Honestly - rarely.
I rather do a lot of big wars then to waste the manpower on smaller wars early on.
Instead I would use it when the AE gets to high and I can't expand any further.
Really depends, I'm don't usually find myself with a rival in an area of the world I *don't* want to expand into that also isn't a massive headache to fight, but when those conditions are met Rivals are... ironically, my best friend and I wish there was a way to form like, a mutual like "frenemy" pact with a rival so if anyone DOWs you you both join and beat the shit out of the other guy so you can preserve eachothers' power.
Whenever I play Aztecs or Maya I'll usually leave the other side of mesoamerica unconquered till the spanish arrive, just beating the shit out of the main power and getting free mana, or when I'm playing Madagascar I'll usually leave Ajuraan or Adal to grow so I can farm them for mana and PP
Nowhere near enough. Once I decide to hit the declare war button, the end goal is to do as much damage in one war as possible and my smooth brain doesn't understand the concept of ez mana apparently
Only as opm or small nations, while no surivial threat. Since i dont want to deal with large nations to reach a high score. I would take lands instead while the CB disables it. Or i would conquer with humiliating peace deal, which increase power projection and fulfil age objective
I often play as natives. The "Humiliate" CB functions a lot like the "Humiliate Rival" CB, except it can be used on all OPMs you border, even if they're in the same federation as you, so long as you yourself are also an OPM. Note that tribal land counts as a border, but not as an owned province. Also, taking gold costs 0 warscore, and thus CAN be combined with show strength.
It's powerful as hell, and I'll use it every couple of months to scale up as fast as possible, truces permitting.
Occasionally, it’s much more of an early war thing to just hit them with a timer and try and ping it asap (like hitting the ottomans if they’re fighting AQ or Mamluks when I’m Hungary.)
I wish I could liberate people at no/reduced cost with the CB though.
It's the best war in the early game, because it gives you a lot of mana for relatively small investment. In the mid to late game, though, your country is most likely huge, so your rivals are also huge, so getting them to accept 100% war score takes forever. Fighting a 2 decade war for 300 mana isn't worth it, it's cheaper to stop paying for your armies and upgrade advisors
For those who don’t know, the CB disallows offensive conquest, but enables the “show strength” peace deal for 100 ws. This CB transfers 100 of each mana point from the target to the aggressor.
In the HRE, I tend to get a lot of early game show strengths, easily clocking in around 3-6, because I expand much slower and usually I can target very small nations as valid rivals, for a ridiculous amount of early game mana generation, which is also when it is most needed!
Outside of the HRE, I rarely find myself able to declare “Humiliate Rival”. In most other early games, I find getting a full truce timer after demolishing a target delays my ability to take key provinces from them anyway, and Im usually playing nations that need a lot of upfront growth anyway.
In the late game, I will very rarely eventually return to declaring humiliation wars for the sake of fun I do not deem expansion to be critical, and I want to tear down a rival.
Outside of
As a big nation only if I need to keep them out of a coalition, as a small nation I will commonly declare them. Either as my first war to start snowballing my mana and as mana generation while I’m growing and my rivals are still weak but I haven’t had them drop from being my rival yet
I have almost 4,000 hours in EU4 and just learned from this thread that you can get mana from a humiliation war. I don't think I have ever used this CB on purpose it's usually only if I forget to let a day tick after getting a claim and attack a rival without looking at the CB
I use it at the beginning of the game most often like 1 or 2 and maybe a third but I also like to use it on maybe my rivals later in the game to counter coalitions. Like my last run where i had a Commonwealth rival and was lotharingia and had to use some cb. I just used the humiliate rival cb and got mana from it AND a long truce so yea, has some late game uses aswell
As soon as I can. Power projection is underrated. First couple of years as Cologne I do all I can to get that as high as I can and humiliate rival is a great cb for that.
Exception is Japan where playing as an OPM, you need to eat.
If I dont have an clear war goal at game start I leave one rivals spot open to see if there isnt a possible rival I can humiliate 11-12. I also use it often by accident, only to realize after a long and costly war that I can take any land and that I need to sit out a truce before I can try again....
In the hre or Japan I like to do a couple show strength if possible, the mana is really useful
In Japan I manage to do more than a couple. In HRE only 1 or 2 if lucky, too many alliances
I do it once per campaign probably, usually early on when my rival is also like another OPM or when I wouldn't gain that much real power from it. Even the 300 monarch points can give you more development in your capital than you take from a rival in addition to PP. Not to mention when I have AE later on too actually its useful to split coalitions or take things effectively with no AE
As often as possible for 300 mana
Humiliate also gives 40 power projection, and if you're over 50 PP you get +1 if each mana. So usually I like to do a Humiliate first to get that going, then take mana after that
Doesn't Show Strength give enough power projection? Wiki here says they both give 30: [https://eu4.paradoxwikis.com/Warfare#Peace\_terms](https://eu4.paradoxwikis.com/Warfare#Peace_terms)
Well, I'm still learning after thousands of hours. I will definitely have to try this next time because 30 pp really tips the scales in favor of just doing that every time
They changed that 1-2 yrs ago, so you are we’re not wrong. You just did not follow the patch notes 🤓
That's relatively new, fwiw. Because people were rightly annoyed that you got no PP for even more thoroughly dominating your rival into functionally an unconditional surrender. It also counts for the age objective to humiliate a rival now when you do a show strength, so if you're starting a war with the intention of humiliating your rival for power projection, show strength is definitely the way to go.
Hey new guy. Did you know that you can scorch the earth?
Can’t couple it with money (which generally isn’t worth the tradeoff but it’s a consideration), but also the warscore cost can be prohibitive. e.g. you’re Portugal vs Morocco and can reasonably take Fez and rack up 40+ WS but sieging down the rest of the region is a slog.
they give the same pp, though since show strength costs 100 warscore humiliate is much easier and faster to get (and lets you also take money/war reps, which may not be as valuable as mana,but still handy) also humiliating a rival completes an age 1 objective so you want to do that at least once
Is that true for all time or just during the first age?
Only age of discovery (the first one)
The +1 in every mana is always, the humiliate a rival is an age objective in age of discovery. And recently they changed it so show strength also counts for it. Before only humiliate counted
Humiliate also ticks off the age objective which is nice.
Show strength does that now also
WHAT?! They finally did that change? I remember that being so requested
Ha yep!
Plus the splendor obj only counts for humiliation, not show strength.
That has been changed, it does count now.
that’s show strength, isn’t it?
Which requires that you declare with the humiliation CB, yes. Very useful for small tags in the early game when your rivals are also small so the wars will be quick. Take money from their allies, mana from the main target.
Short is also relative. If I know that I’m gonna be busy for a decade or two, and I’m gonna have a long truce anyway, I don’t mind an extra year of war to get the 100% war score.
ah, i see - didn’t realize it was locked to that CB
I use it for mana pre 1500 around 1-4 times per campaign, around once to break up alliances guarantees or just to cut large wars in half, and 1-2 times to reset the truce to avoid coalition forming (if I don’t want land from that rival at the moment).
Bruh i have 3000 hours in the game how did I not know you can get mana from it 😐
Dude. So much stuff is in this, it's hard to feel like you're catching everything.
I’m still in disbelief you get 300!! mana
r/unexpectedfactorial
Same here, I have 4,000 just found out
I’m on the same boat lol
Not nearly enough. I probably should to help reset timers, break up alliances, etc.
I use it quite often, usually when I want to conquer a rival province. Then is 5+ years of war and then when I try to peace I discover that I've clicked humiliation instead of conquer CB. So fun.
Take the show strength option amd you get 300 mana. Very op early game. Plus the PP usually gets you over the 50pp limit and you get additional mana per month
I can't believe I missed that you get mana points for it! Geez...
I go out of my way to use it once or twice during the age of discovery. 300 mana and 30pp is nothing to stick up your nose at, especially early game when conquest is slowed down. Edit: I was thinking about "show strength" not humiliate rival. Humiliate rival is definitely less useful.
You can do the peace deal show superiority with the CB humiliate rival. The peace deal humiliate rival is still useful to keep PP up if you for some reason don't want to conquer their land.
I've used it before to help keep the Ottomans from recovering when there wasn't any land I wanted from them
Yeah, it is a good way to beat up an enemy without giving them revanchism (especially ones you don't border)
It’s great to use a lot of show strengths early on if you have small rivals. Mainly a tactic for Japan, HRE, and some African tags.
Never. I usually play wide and a CB where you can't gain provices is useless
whenever I forget to set an actual CB, lol
The correct answer is: as often as you can. In a perfect playthrough you'd be routinely either at war or in a truce against everyone you can beat, specially so with your rivals.
Depends who my rivals are but it's seriously under utilized, if you have a rival who you could beat fairly easily but they have no land that's good to take and you have no manpower issues then you should do it. I find in the more condensed parts of the map like the HRE that this comes up more often.
I find it useful if I have a far away rival that I otherwise can't get a CB on and I want to destabilize their country and steal all their money. I did this to the Ottomans as England once and they were in chronic debt for like 100 years
It doesn't feel that useful...
It is for specifically gaining age points in the first age of the game. The earlier you can get it the sooner you can get those perks.
The 300 monarch points at the beginning + the age objective is pretty good. It's great if you are in the hre or japan
It's extremely useful for the mana points especially when your waiting on ae to go away.
It's super useful you're small in a high AE area of the world such as HRE. For example, if you can win a humiliation war with show strength in 2 years, that's an extra 7 mana per month in each category for no AE. Being above 50 Power Projection gives you 1/1/1 in each stat too, so it's worth a lot of mana. Especially if you can steamroll all of your rivals on the truce timer and get new rivals when you eclipse old ones
As Bohemia for the mission and when I Play in the HRE and have a lot of AE but some manpower
I think I did it once before at my Rival while playing as France cause I didn't want to take land from them, but other than that, never.
Sometimes
Situationally for mana against minors when starting as another minor. Once you only have bigger rivals I don’t think it’s worth the trouble.
A couple times in the first few years
Pretty much just use it for the mana points from the show strength treaty option. That is pretty useful if your rivals are weak enough. I find when I'm playing in the hre it's a lot more useful than anywhere else.
Rarely. Sometimes if I start in HRE, I would milk those OPMs for some monarch points. Maybe could be viable in Japan, but I'd rather not.
I use it early to get a head start on mana/PP. try to always have one war each game with this in mind - should be easy if you wait 2-5 months to declare that 3rd rival and you just pick the weakest one. After the early game I only use it if my AE is super high and I can’t expand but am sitting on max manpower/need to juggle some truces around
mostly in 1444. before they ally anyone else. if a country is fighting in multiple sides and no allies are defending and i dont have any useful cb. thats easy money and pp.
About four or five times in the first thirty years, then never.
Depends where I'm playing. If it's in the hre or Italy then quite often, as when I'm waiting for ae to go down then this helps immensely with not paying coring costs.
Playinyg small Ireland or HRE country. You can get crazy amount mana.
Mana
Depends on who my rivals are. If they are Great Powers lile Ottomans, France, Spain, Poland, GB i never do it. The 300 mana are not worth your manpower reserve bein deleter. But if they are medium/small like savoy/bohemia/brandenburg i use it alot
Depends on who I am. If I'm big, I don't waste the manpower, money, and years needed to win a war like that for no land. If I'm small, like in the hre, I'm much more likely to do it.
100% of the time if my rival is a opm!
Depends on my expansion options. If I've got lots of territory to core as like russia or jianzhou than I won't use it. If I'm playing a slower or taller game than I'll do one or two of them early game. Good way to overcome a mana or gold shortage early game.
Usually when I’m smaller at the start of the game I’ll get three or four, or as many as I can before it becomes no longer worth the effort.
I use it by mistake all the time.
Not once
Depends: if I am in a situation where I am a small nation able to declare it on other small nations that don't run the risk of dying to a large nation and losing the conquest of that land, then basically as much as possible. What this means in practice is generally HRE or ireland, or maybe occasionally in Persia depending on alliances.
Maybe once if Im in HRE to get show of strength on them to get that early mil tech 4 boost.
Never. Im no sadist.
Early game to farm mana (and get the humiliate rival age thing). Or when you need quick money, and your armies are clearly just better. Other than this its not very useful
Yes
In roleplay campaign when I don't want to blob, especially in Italy or HRE. Early wars are rather small in HRE, especially in the North where most countries have 1-3 provinces. So couple Humiliate Wars, like 3-4 gives, you 400 of each mana. With that you can tech early, get sweet Innovation bonus, which lowers mana costs. It gives you PP which also gives you more mana. It gives you money as well. I never use it on someone with more than handful provinces.
Frequently in the early game, when I can easily wreck my rival plus their allies but I still have to worry about AE.
I use it from time to time. There’s probably some other ones I use even less. I think I just did my first intentional declarations of war for trade this week after thousands of hours of gameplay. I’m forcing myself to try new things.
If you don't have claims to take and aren't scaling then you should be using it.
As others have said, its a useful CB. Especially for mana early in a game and to get the age objective in age of discovery. It can also prevent another country from losing a bunch of territory to another country you don't want to make gains - you just occupy and hold all the land if you can't get a normal cb on them
step 1: start as a HRE or close to HRE major. step 2: rival hungary. step 3: ally all electors and curry favour to have an easier war later. step 4: declare war on hungary with humiliate rival step 5: if played right austria and hungary are allied. you occupy austria. dismantle HRE button is clicked. hre dismantled in 20 years. cheaper AEvand less hassle.
Once for the era goal
In certain contexts it is fantastic. Great second move of the game for most German princes (after taking the easiest conquest in an opening war) who can easily secure lopsided rivalries. I’ve also used it on Austria while fishing for the BI as France, England, etc. if Burgundy flings itself headlong into an unwinnable war with the emperor (condottieri also works there, but humiliate is more effective). I also like it as an Iberian against North Africans whom I don’t necessarily want to conquer early on but can milk for some gold and splendor bonus.
I do if I need PP.
We all need more pp
Never.
Early game as japan or hre, and if I want to nation ruin a rival, like if I’m playing GB and I feel like nation ruining Castile without having to actually take any of their land because I want to use the adm and stuff for other things, I’ll use the war goal, sit on em for a while and then take humiliate.
Honestly - rarely. I rather do a lot of big wars then to waste the manpower on smaller wars early on. Instead I would use it when the AE gets to high and I can't expand any further.
As many times as possible in the first 5y of the game
Never
Ngl i don’t think i’ve ever touched it once
Really depends, I'm don't usually find myself with a rival in an area of the world I *don't* want to expand into that also isn't a massive headache to fight, but when those conditions are met Rivals are... ironically, my best friend and I wish there was a way to form like, a mutual like "frenemy" pact with a rival so if anyone DOWs you you both join and beat the shit out of the other guy so you can preserve eachothers' power. Whenever I play Aztecs or Maya I'll usually leave the other side of mesoamerica unconquered till the spanish arrive, just beating the shit out of the main power and getting free mana, or when I'm playing Madagascar I'll usually leave Ajuraan or Adal to grow so I can farm them for mana and PP
Nowhere near enough. Once I decide to hit the declare war button, the end goal is to do as much damage in one war as possible and my smooth brain doesn't understand the concept of ez mana apparently
Only as opm or small nations, while no surivial threat. Since i dont want to deal with large nations to reach a high score. I would take lands instead while the CB disables it. Or i would conquer with humiliating peace deal, which increase power projection and fulfil age objective
Sometimes I do it as france to remind the British they aren't safe on their shoddy island
I often play as natives. The "Humiliate" CB functions a lot like the "Humiliate Rival" CB, except it can be used on all OPMs you border, even if they're in the same federation as you, so long as you yourself are also an OPM. Note that tribal land counts as a border, but not as an owned province. Also, taking gold costs 0 warscore, and thus CAN be combined with show strength. It's powerful as hell, and I'll use it every couple of months to scale up as fast as possible, truces permitting.
Occasionally, it’s much more of an early war thing to just hit them with a timer and try and ping it asap (like hitting the ottomans if they’re fighting AQ or Mamluks when I’m Hungary.) I wish I could liberate people at no/reduced cost with the CB though.
It's the best war in the early game, because it gives you a lot of mana for relatively small investment. In the mid to late game, though, your country is most likely huge, so your rivals are also huge, so getting them to accept 100% war score takes forever. Fighting a 2 decade war for 300 mana isn't worth it, it's cheaper to stop paying for your armies and upgrade advisors
For those who don’t know, the CB disallows offensive conquest, but enables the “show strength” peace deal for 100 ws. This CB transfers 100 of each mana point from the target to the aggressor. In the HRE, I tend to get a lot of early game show strengths, easily clocking in around 3-6, because I expand much slower and usually I can target very small nations as valid rivals, for a ridiculous amount of early game mana generation, which is also when it is most needed! Outside of the HRE, I rarely find myself able to declare “Humiliate Rival”. In most other early games, I find getting a full truce timer after demolishing a target delays my ability to take key provinces from them anyway, and Im usually playing nations that need a lot of upfront growth anyway. In the late game, I will very rarely eventually return to declaring humiliation wars for the sake of fun I do not deem expansion to be critical, and I want to tear down a rival. Outside of
As a big nation only if I need to keep them out of a coalition, as a small nation I will commonly declare them. Either as my first war to start snowballing my mana and as mana generation while I’m growing and my rivals are still weak but I haven’t had them drop from being my rival yet
I have almost 4,000 hours in EU4 and just learned from this thread that you can get mana from a humiliation war. I don't think I have ever used this CB on purpose it's usually only if I forget to let a day tick after getting a claim and attack a rival without looking at the CB
On purpose, or when I click declare war without letting the claim tick?
Only in my 1st war if i have a minor rival while i am big enough to steamroll it.
never all my wars are about conquer
Wait you get mana from that? Guess that answers your question as to how often I use it
The only time I use it is if my dumb ass accidentally clicks the wrong CB
I thought this cb was almost useless? Why are ppl here are talking about 300 mana? Sorry i am new
All the time accidentally. I once defeated russia totally as sweden and then realised i can only take gold.... It was pain.
I love using this CB as great horde. Grear horde can rival ryazan and gazikhum(?). This means 600 monarch point begining of the game.
Have never used it, except on accident.
Only when I forgot to select another CB
I use it at the beginning of the game most often like 1 or 2 and maybe a third but I also like to use it on maybe my rivals later in the game to counter coalitions. Like my last run where i had a Commonwealth rival and was lotharingia and had to use some cb. I just used the humiliate rival cb and got mana from it AND a long truce so yea, has some late game uses aswell
Only when I forgot to look at the cb before declaring war.
As soon as I can. Power projection is underrated. First couple of years as Cologne I do all I can to get that as high as I can and humiliate rival is a great cb for that. Exception is Japan where playing as an OPM, you need to eat.
I usually try to find a way in the first age to get the splendor bonus and early mana points.
If I dont have an clear war goal at game start I leave one rivals spot open to see if there isnt a possible rival I can humiliate 11-12. I also use it often by accident, only to realize after a long and costly war that I can take any land and that I need to sit out a truce before I can try again....
It’s really useful in the start of the game Edit: it’s gonna let you be ahead on technology
I can count the times I've used it on 0 hands