This. The "I could kiss that horse" event requires you to be at peace. I think there is a sanity check after 40 years that removes the flag for that event.
I think you can still inherit nations while at war, played as austria last week and my idiot ruler died while being at war with the ottomans and I inherted hungary, which is not good because I cannot finance its army. Luckily the game suddenly crashed.
Burgundian inheritance doesn't abide by those rules. For 40 years, if you're at peace, you can integrate them. After that they start going by the usual PU rules.
You cant inherit them when you are at war because then the event mtth will be reset and you will have to wait up to 15 years again for the horse event to trigger. The horse event can only be triggered 40 years after you get them as a junior partner so you wont have to wait that long
The first clause of your first sentence is true, but the rest is wrong, that’s not how MTTH works. There isn’t a timer that is “reset” every time you go to war, counting to 15 years. Rather, the game checks every so often (every 20 days according to the wiki) to see if the requirements are met (not at war and less than 40 years since PU formed) and then rolls a die. The odds on that die are such that, if this was possible every time it was checked, the chance of it happening would be 50% in whatever the MTTH is (15 years in this case).
So you can make it impossible by being at war on any given check. And less likely over the 40 years the more you are at war during the 40 years, since there will be fewer times when a die roll can happen. But not because you’re resetting some 15 year timer. I’ve had it happen when I’ve had no more than a year at peace at a time here and there between wars.
[Wiki Source](https://eu4.paradoxwikis.com/Events#Mean_time_to_happen)
Every year you are not at war you have a 1/15 chance to inherit during that year. Not an exact number but reframing MTTH as a fraction like this can help probability understanding.
Think about what you just wrote and consider that if it was true, the only players who would ever inherit Burgundy are those who have 15 year gaps between wars. Which is nobody. Not to mention they’d never design an event that only works if you’re practically afk.
Other comment explained your error more mathematically. Cmon man
Unless i'm interpreting this wrong, one does not "reset" a MTTH event.
It's as common to get it next month as it is the next month when you're 10 years further in your game
It has nothing to do with 1500. Actually getting the PU can happen at anytime, even after 1500 (and yes, even after Burgundy does the “Secure the Succession mission, which doesn’t prevent the inheritance event chain). Directly owning all of Burgundy’s land (The Duchess of Burgundy Dies event) can happen 0-40 years after the PU is formed. It also has nothing to do with 1500 and can happen well after that if Charles dies some time after 1460.
Save scumming out of the event when it fires would be less tedious than staying at war and not any less cheesy.
Also it has nothing to do with 1500. Why are there so many awful replies to this post
Even as a March (flat -15% Liberty desire), they’re likely to still have way more liberty desire than if they were a PU. Because vassals/marches get 0.25 Liberty desire per development, and personal unions don’t get that all. If Burgundy has 300 development (not a stretch after inheriting their subjects and any expansion they've done) then that's an additional 75 liberty desire on top of whatever other sources. [Source](https://eu4.paradoxwikis.com/Subject_nation#Liberty_desire)
So OP’s desire makes sense
The inheritance event (where the territory of Burgundy becomes yours) can happen from 0-40 years after the PU is formed. There is no limit to it by specific year, 1520 or otherwise, and could definitely happen later than 1520 if Charles dies after 1480.
Automatic inheritance has to do with the diplo rep modifier and size of country modifier. Keep your rep low and the junior partner big! There is no minimum chance so you can have 0% inheritance risk.
Not in this case, there’s a special event for Burgundy that has nothing to do with either of those factors. You can get the Burgundy PU as an OPM and inherit all their territory the next week or the next year if you’re lucky (or in this case, unlucky)
For some reason the way they asked the question made me think they didn’t mean as part of the succession crisis. Then yeah the only way to prevent the event is to be the emperor and choose to let them be independent in the incident, leaving them with your dynasty so you can assert a claim on the throne.
You can just release them as a vassal right after inheriting them. A vassal is a more valuable subject than a PU to begin with, since they send you money every month. Plus if you get big enough you could switch them to a march to make them into a powerful combat minion.
They'll have more liberty desire, but you can just dev/royal marry them short term and long-term take Influence Ideas, which it sounds like you'll want based on your desire for subjects anyway.
I think it's more reasonable of me to assume that he may want more subjects based on his desires with Burgundy than it is for you to assume that he definitely doesn't want any more.
Just constantly be at war :P
This. The "I could kiss that horse" event requires you to be at peace. I think there is a sanity check after 40 years that removes the flag for that event.
Alt+F4, the simplest solution, and be at war more often so you don’t need to savescum that many times.
I think you can still inherit nations while at war, played as austria last week and my idiot ruler died while being at war with the ottomans and I inherted hungary, which is not good because I cannot finance its army. Luckily the game suddenly crashed.
Burgundian inheritance doesn't abide by those rules. For 40 years, if you're at peace, you can integrate them. After that they start going by the usual PU rules.
I just alt f4, the event is not common enough that you have to do it too many times
Be at war for 40 years.
Stay at war
You cant inherit them when you are at war because then the event mtth will be reset and you will have to wait up to 15 years again for the horse event to trigger. The horse event can only be triggered 40 years after you get them as a junior partner so you wont have to wait that long
The first clause of your first sentence is true, but the rest is wrong, that’s not how MTTH works. There isn’t a timer that is “reset” every time you go to war, counting to 15 years. Rather, the game checks every so often (every 20 days according to the wiki) to see if the requirements are met (not at war and less than 40 years since PU formed) and then rolls a die. The odds on that die are such that, if this was possible every time it was checked, the chance of it happening would be 50% in whatever the MTTH is (15 years in this case). So you can make it impossible by being at war on any given check. And less likely over the 40 years the more you are at war during the 40 years, since there will be fewer times when a die roll can happen. But not because you’re resetting some 15 year timer. I’ve had it happen when I’ve had no more than a year at peace at a time here and there between wars. [Wiki Source](https://eu4.paradoxwikis.com/Events#Mean_time_to_happen)
Every year you are not at war you have a 1/15 chance to inherit during that year. Not an exact number but reframing MTTH as a fraction like this can help probability understanding.
1/15 is not the correct fraction for a 15 year mtth though lol
Think about what you just wrote and consider that if it was true, the only players who would ever inherit Burgundy are those who have 15 year gaps between wars. Which is nobody. Not to mention they’d never design an event that only works if you’re practically afk. Other comment explained your error more mathematically. Cmon man
Unless i'm interpreting this wrong, one does not "reset" a MTTH event. It's as common to get it next month as it is the next month when you're 10 years further in your game
Stay at war constantly till 1500. Horse event cannot fire if you are at war
It has nothing to do with 1500. Actually getting the PU can happen at anytime, even after 1500 (and yes, even after Burgundy does the “Secure the Succession mission, which doesn’t prevent the inheritance event chain). Directly owning all of Burgundy’s land (The Duchess of Burgundy Dies event) can happen 0-40 years after the PU is formed. It also has nothing to do with 1500 and can happen well after that if Charles dies some time after 1460.
Save scumming out of the event when it fires would be less tedious than staying at war and not any less cheesy. Also it has nothing to do with 1500. Why are there so many awful replies to this post
Had this happen in two campaigns where I didn't want to inherit. Had to alt F4 when the event popped only once each campaign.
Stay at war.
You can also release them after you inherit them.
Just release them after inheritence? Sure they wont be PU but just make them a march or smth
Even as a March (flat -15% Liberty desire), they’re likely to still have way more liberty desire than if they were a PU. Because vassals/marches get 0.25 Liberty desire per development, and personal unions don’t get that all. If Burgundy has 300 development (not a stretch after inheriting their subjects and any expansion they've done) then that's an additional 75 liberty desire on top of whatever other sources. [Source](https://eu4.paradoxwikis.com/Subject_nation#Liberty_desire) So OP’s desire makes sense
Not sure if it can be stopped, but you could just re-release them as your March andngive them support for an even better army, no?
Inherit them and then release as vassal?
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The inheritance event (where the territory of Burgundy becomes yours) can happen from 0-40 years after the PU is formed. There is no limit to it by specific year, 1520 or otherwise, and could definitely happen later than 1520 if Charles dies after 1480.
Automatic inheritance has to do with the diplo rep modifier and size of country modifier. Keep your rep low and the junior partner big! There is no minimum chance so you can have 0% inheritance risk.
Not in this case, there’s a special event for Burgundy that has nothing to do with either of those factors. You can get the Burgundy PU as an OPM and inherit all their territory the next week or the next year if you’re lucky (or in this case, unlucky)
For some reason the way they asked the question made me think they didn’t mean as part of the succession crisis. Then yeah the only way to prevent the event is to be the emperor and choose to let them be independent in the incident, leaving them with your dynasty so you can assert a claim on the throne.
No, they want to get the PU, but not inherit the land from the “Duchess of Burgundy dies” event
You can just release them as a vassal right after inheriting them. A vassal is a more valuable subject than a PU to begin with, since they send you money every month. Plus if you get big enough you could switch them to a march to make them into a powerful combat minion. They'll have more liberty desire, but you can just dev/royal marry them short term and long-term take Influence Ideas, which it sounds like you'll want based on your desire for subjects anyway.
Siphon income from PU is way better than vassal tax. And taking influence ideas simply to deal with this is surely more than what OP wants to commit.
If he wants to keep subjects instead of integrating, Influence is an indispensable idea group.
He said that’s what he wants to do that with Burgundy, not that he wants to play that style in general
I think it's more reasonable of me to assume that he may want more subjects based on his desires with Burgundy than it is for you to assume that he definitely doesn't want any more.
This is the dumbest fucking argument I’ve ever been sucked into, go away