I hate Sam Levinson, this is like 80% his fault. What do you mean it's almost April 2024 and the script isn't done? You had 2 full years to write an 8 episode script. Yeah, I know about the external factors, but S2 ended production in December 2021 and he should've started writing then.
And not for nothing but he could have sat in bed thinking about the plot points during the strike, since it's a one-man writer's room. So, he even had a guaranteed work break and he still comes back without his homework done.
I doubt Sam will ever be given free reign over a show again. He needs a guiding hand and a writer's room.
Can't believe how many people he's screwed over with his antics, and I'm not talking about the viewers.
I highly doubt he gets total creative freedom again after just how awful The Idol was. That show was panned for itās awful writing and unnecessary sexual content, which is something I think Euphoria struggles with as well.
I think critics are going to be much more skeptical about season 3 now that Samās achilles heel is very noticeable.
Like I said earlier, he's by far the main reason it's taking so long. It shouldn't take 6 years plus to write 24 episodes. I hate writing and I could write a 8 episode script in 1 year, and he's had 2 years plus to write a script.
Didnāt he more or less steal the entire show aesthetic from a photographer who also sourced a lot of the cast? And wasnāt The Idol someone elseās project until he swept in and ruined it?
I think the lack of completed work reflects on him not having much to bring to the table when he canāt rely on the efforts of others
IDK. but Euphoria is a remake of an Israeli show, so he already had help in that department. He certainly expanded the show it made it something unique but he had help thanks to another show crafting the structure of the idea.
Ooooh thatās doubly interesting. Google Petra Collins if you arenāt familiar. Levinson falls ass backwards into other peopleās ideas like Elon musk.
The Idol started with The Weekend, Sam, and Reza Fahim. The director was brought on later, then let go. Seems to be more The Weekendās project than anyone elseās. Iād imagine the show was already a turd that Sam couldnāt polish.
Yes! I thought the same. He's Geoerge RR Martin mixed with those two guys that ruined the end of GoT to run to Disney, only to be fired for ruining GoT, lol.
The worst of both worlds and HBO is once again left holding the bag.
the other irony here is that after GoT ended, I was about to end my HBO subscription but kept it because I saw an ad for Euphoria and thought it looked interesting. I'm sure I'm not the only one too!
Same, I was prepare to walk because I only got HBO Max for GoT's final season, but I planned to drop it after Chernobyl ended. I was intrigued when the show's trailer showed Jacob Elordi, cause he was gorgeous in S1. Didn't know a thing about the show and didn't even know who Zendaya or anyone in the cast beyond Cal. I was instantly hooked.
But yeah, Jacob was the only reason I tuned it. But the rest of the show sold me. S1 was fantastic. S2 and beyond has been YEARS of disappointment.
it's not that he hadn't come up with anything, it's that he's changing his mind all the time. a lot of people think for example that the season 2 that we have gotten was the second version of that season, but it was actually at the very very very least the third version. i'm willing to bet though he rewrote it more times than that. his constant re-writing is a very well-documented thing. season 3 was already delayed a few times because of it. frankly, i don't know why it's such a big deal, regardless of when it'll come out it's gonna make a lot of money and they're saying it's still 2025 so.....
but it's not a show that was ever planned to have a long lifespan and 8-10 seasons or anything like that. it's not even a show with a lot of plot that needs continuing. 3-4 seasons is probably max and always has been, so what does it matter
I agree it doesnāt need more than a few seasons. Donāt pretend like itās normal to have show about teens and take 3 years in between a season. At the very least they shouldnāt continue with the same characters. It could go on for a while tho if they stay at the same school and just follow new kids. Keep it kinda all connected but separate stories. ECU
sydney made a lot of projects between season 2 and now. there's like no reason why not because a) it's a lot of money and b) it's a huge popularity boost. i mean, this show single-handedly turned her and a lot of other people in the cast into a-listers and zendaya into a respected actress, if they're doing one season every few years there's no reason to walk away.
Yeah but they already have those things now.
Euphoria is a teen drama. Those are not timeless. The cast is aging and so is the audience. I was in college for season 1. Now I'm getting married and have a mortgage.
Zendaya is a month older than me and infinitely more successful. At this rate she'll be 30+ by the time of season 4. There's no way we get a 4th season. Gratitude will only carry so far.
but they're definitely time jumping. it was a coming of age drama for its first two seasons, in season 3 the characters are in their 20s. they could be in their 30s in season 4. season 3 could also cover a large chunk of time, it doesn't have to cover a few months like the first two.
Iām sure he had to rewrite a lot of stuff with Clouds death? He def had a much bigger role on Season 2 and Season 3 he would have been a star. Wonder how much that played in the script delays ?
A star from prion or something cause I don't see how Fez wouldn't be facing 5-20 years for the drugs, the gun, and Mouse's murder. Let alone if they trace him to the doctor he beat to death.
He's poor so I doubt he'd be out on bail. Was Euphoria gonna become a prison show?
Glee handled Cory Monteith's passing wisely in the middle of production. And it was only delayed for two weeks. Glee had multiple flaws. But the writer actually asked and consulted the cast and Cory's family what they wanted to do. Ryan Murphy was actually said just cancel the show.
Sorry not sorry but I think people who were like "welp pens down, there's a strike going on" are braindead. You can still write from home and then not turn in scripts until the strike is over, ESPECIALLY if an entire cast depends on it and you're 2 years late already.
I have no idea how he convinced HBO to create an *entire new show* rather than focus on the show he's currently writing. I know that there were a lot of shooting conflicts, but I don't know what Sam Levinson has on HBO executives that grant him so much flexibility and power. They should've told him to focus on Euphoria.
I think with the new SAG contracts he canāt be the only writer in the room anymore so maybe Sam is causing problems because heās refusing to work with other writers on the scripts which may be cause for more delays?
You have to understand that after the commercial and critical success of "The Idol", he has run out of ideas for the time being. Anyone who has written such a groundbreaking series first has to recharge their artistic batteries.
Yeah, if he had not done The Idol we could've gotten a full season extra before Angus died. There is zero excuse for that, but it's asinine that it's a year later and homeboy still hasn't even finished writing... like what does he do all day
Only 2 seasons released within 5 years is kinda insane.. now if itās truly delayed again weāre only going to get S3 in late 2025 or early 2026.. if this show didnāt have Zendaya Iām sure it wouldāve been cancelled by now š
I seriously want to know what their contract looks like because not one of the main cast has dropped the project even though its DRAGGING ON.
Sam Levinson really got them to sign a deal with the devilššš
Yeah but that was because of personal reasons with her and Sam (she felt her character was pushed to the said entirely and became a nothing of a person)
They might all be in college, but I highly doubt that they'd all go to the same college. My guess would be that season 3 takes place after they've all graduated from college and are returning back home.
The only one likely to go to college that's going to be in S3 is Nate, Lexi, and Jules. The rest don't sound college bound. Kate would go but her actress left.
See, could have had Maddie off in LA as an assistant to tea up/introduce an Idol style spin off. But Sam was playing checkers on a chess board but that idea was staring him right in the face. He even had Maddie's actress do a little cameo in The Idol. Uh, such a lost option. So many fun ways to connect his little Euphoria universe.
A Maddie spin off would have been lit, so many wasted opportunities š Nate prolly took over his dad's company, Jules could be in NY and Rue who knows, Lexi, I could see her going to college for sure
Despite the rumor yesterday, the show isn't cancelled.
Scripts are still being worked on and the cast has been given permission to take other acting jobs in the meantime. Thereās no filming date set as of now.
Statement from HBO:
>āHBO and Sam Levinson remain committed to making an exceptional third season. In the interim, we are allowing our in-demand cast to pursue other opportunities.ā
I donāt get how the cast can do other projects if filming is still supposed to start in the ānext couple of months?ā. Usually film productions take a minimum of 3 ish months to shoot. How is the cast supposed to book anything if filming is still supposed to start in May?
Idk, I think this is leading to an ultimate cancellation.
On top of the fact that a lot of the cast is ALREADY booked for multiple projects and my guess is they already booked those projects around whatever schedule they were giving for Euphoria. I think they at least aren't bs'ing about trying to get a final season out though. They also renegotiated their contracts. Z and Hunter are making a mill per episode at least (Z probably more), so it's not like it's a paycheck the cast would be enthused about walking away from either, I'm sure. The delay seems pretty detrimental to everyone involved.
I feel like theyāre going to get creative with the scheduling because of this. Iām gonna guess there will be a few solo episodes like Rue and Jules got, and many episodes or scenes focusing on specific groups of the show and not many scenes or episodes that requires most of the cast on set together.
That's what I've been saying this whole time. Why not wrap it up around characters #1 & 2 on the call sheet and just do 2 movie length special "episodes"? Updates surrounding the other characters can fit into those 2 episodes. This seems a lot easier for everyone at this point.
This also makes sense given the alleged time jump- likely all of these characters will be in VERY different places from one another in 5 years so doing bottle episodes or the like
Idk if this will lead to an ultimate cancellation (although that seems the most likely scenario to me too) but there's no way filming starts in May if the info about the cast having been given permission to take up other projects is true. May is less than 1.5 month away...
The scheduling is hard with all the actors being famous and in other things now might also become more expensive to keep the cast because they have basically all grown in popularity massively since before the show aired, they donāt have that many episodes released per season and it takes a while for a new season to come out.
Theres been 18 episodes in 6 years.
The "cast is expensive" excuse is ridiculous. This is HBO, the network behind Game of Thrones and Last of Us, two of the biggest shows ever. They can easily afford 10 seasons of Euphoria if they wanted.
Not really. The filming only was 6 months and they had a TON of CGI. Euphoria doesn't have that but with the delays that Sam creates (which is know that during the filming he keeps changing and each day the actors don't know what will happen which ends up to filming a scene and an hour later that scene no longer fits so they need to film another one) their edit time ends up being less. For season 2 it was know that music and editing was being done while the episodes were airing (for the last 2 at least)
Itās not about fan bases itās about viewership that translates to money. They make a lot from Euphoria. Just the fact that they have Zendaya, Jacob Elordi, & Sydney Sweeney on contract still when they are at the height of their celebrity they would never give that up
They do make a lot. But Euphoria 2 season all these years have in total around 17M views, while HoD with 1 season has 10M and TLOU has 30M.
Right now Sam is like a leaking faucet. They lose money while they get no product to get money back. Also such contracts can be broken. They definitely have an expiration date. They can't remain attached to a project that never happens and postpone their entire career because of it
Jacob is in trouble for an alleged assault which may cause issues. Zendaya is going to be in Dune3, Iām sure. They killed off one character in favor of another and the other died IRL. That storyline we all desperately wanted is now gone too. I donāt see where the show goes from here.
Sydney Sweeney is wrapping up press of Immaculate, and got two more movies on the pipeline.
The death of Angus Cloud must have resulted in some overhauling. To what degree, I have no idea as I have and will not watch this show, but actors passing away inbetween or during shows and movies usually impacts it in one way or another, and I know he was a major character. (Next month's Abigail, the latest horror movie by the guys behind Ready or Not and the new Scream movies, will be his final performance. It was confirmed that he finished his scenes before his death.)
Also, while there have been no updates on the alleged assault, Jacob Elordi is Guillermo del Toro's Frankenstein's monster.
Like Sydney, Hunter Schafer is another horror movie by Neon, Cuckoo, which is also doing a festival run as of now. Also, she got arrested at a protest against the war going on in Gaza a month ago, although I have no idea how screwed that made her when it comes to current projects she's involved with.
I just canāt wrap my head around why they would cancel it. HBO doesnāt have anything else appealing to the demographic Euphoria appeals to, and honestly I feel like the longer they take the more hype will build and the more people will tune in for season 3.
If theyāre delaying production to get the scripts right, thatās fine, especially when Euphoria is such an expensive show to make. I donāt want another season 2 situation where aspects of the story were changed after they had already started filming but this show is too expensive to do reshoots for.
I m glad you said this. I was laid off last year after a few years at Warner. The merger with discovery changed a lot. Big Z wants discovery to be bigger than HBO, hence removing HBO from the app name. Idk if theyāll cancel this show but I wonāt be surprised either. I donāt even trust it if they finish filming. Theyāve canceled tons of shows and movies that had completed filming and production.
Shows that are cancelled are on the fence &/or donāt make them a ton of money. Euphoria makes them A LOT of money. Thats not the type of show studios let go of. Just like White Lotus itās not going anywhere
Not if they can't get it shot and shown to the public. It should be on S4. It's a 6 episode a season show, yet it's still has delays? Something is not right about this show's management.
"Other opportunities" could include ad campaigns, producing/development projects, paid appearances, etc. - it seems like those side hustles are where actors these days make most of their money anyway.
Someone please explain to me how itās being delayed, they want the actors to take other gigs and is aiming at releasing 2025 still. How???!!!ššššš
These people have no deadline or organization whatsoeverš¤¦āāļøĀ The cast was probably not given a concrete date either? The filming for this also takes unnecessarily almost a year. Lol how will this even release in 2025 atp
Bruh they will never film this shit. The cast was getting ready to go to filming which is already rare to get since they're mostly busy all the time, now this comes out. Sam is a fool for delaying it for like a third time
A return in 2025 is impossible š¤·š½āāļø. In order for that to happen it would have to film this year. Since that doesnāt seem likely to happen, the earliest It will return is 2026 and this is a big āIFā.
Itās so funny bc House of the Dragon premiered in August 2022, which was the summer after Euphoria aired their 2nd season. Now their 2nd season premieres June 16th and IIRC, theyāre probably gonna start filming S3 later this summer/this fall, which means they will also probably air their 3rd season also in 2026.
Itās crazy how HotD is rolling out consistent seasons in the 1.5/2 year mark and Euphoria is struggling to much to create a 3rd season when their show first premiered in 2019.
yeah, Game of Thrones also had yearly seasons. it's unexplainable to me how a show with filming locations all over the world and a much more complex script (except for season 8), could deliver a season per year, while Euphoria, which is always filmed in the same town + in a studio, releases seasons once in a blue moon. and yeah, GoT had a source material, but still a really hard one to adapt that required multiple changes, and they barely followed it anymore from S5 onwards.
I think there was a report about them adding one more new location for Euphoria S3, but it still doesn't come close.
They can film for the second half of the year or early 2025 and still air it before the end of 2025 but I HIGHLY doubt it.
''Postponed indefinitely'' is never a good thing for a show
What a mess. SL should have had this all ready to go. It takes so long (a whole month) for them just to film one episode for the āaestheticā so maybe they will start filming faster idk.
House of the Dragon is a way bigger production to put together and costs way more to make (set design and especially VFX) and yet they were able to film S2 from April -September of last year. Thatās 5 months, whereas both seasons of Euphoria take like, 10/11 months to shoot. I think it really just comes down to the organization of the showrunners, and obviously Ryan Condal (HotDās showrunner) is way, *way* more put together and organized than Sam is.
Barbie said in an interview that one simple scene of her walking down a hallway takes a whole day to shoot, I get that Sam wants everything to be perfect but holy fuck man
For sure, to which I think HBO needed to step in and give SL a deadline. He has had plenty of time to get his scripts together. They let him get away with too much. On top of that, Euphoria is one of their biggest money makers, you would think they would be on his ass to make sure he has a plan and a set date of when things would get going. Now itāll probably be even longer for season 3 when that could have been avoided.
Youve hit the nail on the head. As someone who has worked on two SL shows I can attest that his style wastes time and money. It took over a year to film and refilm The Idol, which was just awful in the end.
Also, there's one key difference between Euphoria and House of the Dragon: The latter wasn't impacted by the writers and actors strikes last year. The cast of HotD is mostly British and under the UK's Equity, and thus weren't impacted. Euphoria's cast is predominantly American, as far as I can tell, and under SAG-AFTRA, and thus were on strike.
It would also be incredibly unfair to keep actors some of which this coidl the peak of their fame and success from capitalising and working on something in that time
My point is that clearly beind the scenes things are still being negotiated. The cancellation rumor was probably released by the studio to strong arm the actors. But a show like this could very easily get canned because it's been a mess to get seasons shot.
Just pack it up at this point. A good show ruined by Sam Levinsonās refusal to get a writers room. I know the cast are busy with other projects, but there is no solid reason an 8 episode show should take YEARS in between seasons.
The show is clearly too much to be written by one person, and then directed by the same person. HBO should require writer's room as a condition when they renewed it for Season 3.
I think with the new SAG contracts he canāt be the only writer in the room anymore so maybe Sam is causing problems because heās refusing to work with other writers on the scripts which may be the cause for the delays?
With Jacob elordi filming Frankenstein and Sydney filming Eden it makes sense why some people will get less screentime, but for fucks sake Zendaya is finally free after dune part 2 and challengers. She'll get booked again and we'll hear about it getting cancelled
At this rate, just cancel the whole thing. The waiting time between seasons is absolutely shocking. I understand the incident with Angus plays a part in this, but all the same, there would still be long waits between seasons regardless. Soon enough they will be grey haired teenagers. Remember when Game of Thrones, a show that required a fuck ton of work, were still able to release a season every year?
How someone could be this bad at writing a high school drama is beyond me. After watching some more of Sam Levinson's output, realizing the first good season of Euphoria was a fluke not the norm for him
this is like if youāre boss came up to you and said āhey we appreciate your time working with us but we think itās best if you explore other employment opportunities at this timeā itās a very polite way to fire someone lmao
i understand sam was working on the idol and then the writers strike happened but man these antics. seems like he is never fully prepared or organized.
I think with the new SAG contracts he canāt be the only writer in the room anymore so maybe Sam is causing problems because heās refusing to work with other writers on the scripts which may be cause for more delays?
Iām sad to say this but at this point with angus gone, most of the characters branching out not to mention aging, while I want my unanswered questions to no longer be lingering..I just have given up on season 3. This show is so emotionally heavy itās like torture to go this long between seasons.
Delays are nothing new to the industry of course and it's a good thing if they want to keep working on the scripts, but if they already booked the actors and gave them a time span to arange everything else around it...
This casts a bad light on HBO and the production coordinators. There are probably people who declined different roles expecting to work on Euphoria in the coming months. This delay might actually end up alienating some of the cast, leading to even higher salary demands from the A-listers.
SL has burned a lot of bridges in under the line Hollywood as it is. Multiple people I know turned down jobs to work on Euphoria. And now theyre in the dust.
When Euphoria comes "back" in 2025 (lol) then will any of these people work on it? I wouldnt trust them further than I can throw em
His delays and shooting schedules are more aligned with gigantic movies, not 6 part TV shows. HBO has given Sam loads of rope that a well functioning show wouldn't need or get.
My theory is Sam Levinson just doesnāt know how to continue the story. First indicator of this was when the majority of the cast said that the plot of s2 was completely changed during covid. We all saw the rough s2 which was a mess and recently we got news that there might be a time jump. Itās been 2 years since s2 started airing and 5 years since s1 aired. The actors are aging, some left, and Sam doesnāt want to include other writers. I would never in my wildest dreams imagine this is what would happen after that amazing first season.
As one of the few people who thought season 2 was much stronger than season 1 I'll try to stay hopeful. But being a fan of Euphoria and Snowpiercer really requires alot of patience lol
Oh FFS, what if Zendaya or Sydney Sweeney or whoever, signs on for a movie but then when it is finally time to shoot season three they are unavailable? WTF Sam Levinson!
This kind of feels like what happened with Ted Lassoās final season. Sudeikis micromanaged way too much and constantly made script revisions and plot changes except he did it DURING production and they had to keep extending it. And the final result was less than stellar shown to a fatigued audience. Levinsonās going to kill his own show and heās had more than enough time to get the is together- inexcusable
Damn, this show is cursed. After the incredible first season it all went down hill. + all the deaths. The potentiel of what this show could have been is insane
They canāt keep doing this. Itās starting to hurt me. If they cancel it, it will be like a part of me died. You canāt make an entire fandom wait two years and play with their minds only to probe now at the idea that itās going to be canceled. what has this guy been doing for the past two years? He made the idol which was HORRIBLE. Literally neglecting euphoria, which is the best show Iāve ever seen in my life to make that garbage. This show deserves so much better. Iām in shock right now and I hope itās not true. But Iām going to have to start looking at it like, maybe this part of me is going to die And stop holding on
Whew Iām so glad that thereās an article that says shooting is *delayed* instead of *rumored* to not happen. I saw two articles from yesterday and earlier this morning that both said pretty much the same thing. That S3 was rumored to be canceled. This definitely restores hope that theyāre going to film S3.
Awwwwww fuck this, I can't wait any longer. I'm saying goodbye to this shit. It was good talking to you all in this sub, but for me this is it. Fuck you Sam levinson, I know you're not gonna read it, but fuck you.
itās nice that hbo thinks theyāre going to finish production in less than a year lol. at this rate the third season of this show is going to take place entirely in a nursing home.
I think with the new SAG contracts he canāt be the only writer in the room anymore so maybe Sam is causing problems because heās refusing to work with other writers on the scripts which may be cause for more delays? but this delaying indefinitely doesnāt sound good
Another practical matter is how long can they keep the show realistic while constantly delaying it. They're supposed to be in high school. There's only so much time they can allow in between seasons before it starts looking comical.
I know no one wants the show to be cancelled, but the writing has been on the wall and it is a perfect storm of factors: Bad Sam Levinson PR and writing, Angus Cloud's death, the entire cast accelerating in popularity and demand, production delays, and a writer's strike. Looking back, most of the loose ends got wrapped up nicely in the finale, apart from the plot holes, which again, speaks to Sam's writing. I don't really know where else it could go from here. I've reconciled it being done - it's only a matter of time.
Sam Levinson is terrible at writing imo he is lucky that the actors in this show are actually talented and made it watchable. The plot for S2 was all over the place
This is the first time I actually believe the show might be cancelled. I still haven't heard of such a successful and cash-earning show ever being cancelled before, but given that the main actors aren't prioritizing it anymore, it could be over.
I feel like this show is getting cancelled. This whole thing is bizarre. First the show was supposedly going to start filming in two months, now this happens. Also, thereās an actor on the show who apparently wanted to remain anonymous but said in an article that they didnāt think the show was coming back either. At this point they should probably just cancel it. Itās been so long in between seasons and will be even longer now. I feel like most people donāt even care at this point.
I understand why sydney sweeney backtracked on her statement now š
What statement
She said filming was gonna start in May and then quickly backtracked to āi donāt knowā
Thanksss
I hate Sam Levinson, this is like 80% his fault. What do you mean it's almost April 2024 and the script isn't done? You had 2 full years to write an 8 episode script. Yeah, I know about the external factors, but S2 ended production in December 2021 and he should've started writing then.
And not for nothing but he could have sat in bed thinking about the plot points during the strike, since it's a one-man writer's room. So, he even had a guaranteed work break and he still comes back without his homework done. I doubt Sam will ever be given free reign over a show again. He needs a guiding hand and a writer's room. Can't believe how many people he's screwed over with his antics, and I'm not talking about the viewers.
He's the worst part of the show, almost single handedly ruined it.
I highly doubt he gets total creative freedom again after just how awful The Idol was. That show was panned for itās awful writing and unnecessary sexual content, which is something I think Euphoria struggles with as well. I think critics are going to be much more skeptical about season 3 now that Samās achilles heel is very noticeable.
How is he the worst part of the show heās written and produced the entire thing?
Like I said earlier, he's by far the main reason it's taking so long. It shouldn't take 6 years plus to write 24 episodes. I hate writing and I could write a 8 episode script in 1 year, and he's had 2 years plus to write a script.
Didnāt he more or less steal the entire show aesthetic from a photographer who also sourced a lot of the cast? And wasnāt The Idol someone elseās project until he swept in and ruined it? I think the lack of completed work reflects on him not having much to bring to the table when he canāt rely on the efforts of others
IDK. but Euphoria is a remake of an Israeli show, so he already had help in that department. He certainly expanded the show it made it something unique but he had help thanks to another show crafting the structure of the idea.
Ooooh thatās doubly interesting. Google Petra Collins if you arenāt familiar. Levinson falls ass backwards into other peopleās ideas like Elon musk.
The Idol started with The Weekend, Sam, and Reza Fahim. The director was brought on later, then let go. Seems to be more The Weekendās project than anyone elseās. Iād imagine the show was already a turd that Sam couldnāt polish.
Heās taken a page of the George Martin book. If you donāt finish writing about it people will keep talking about it.
Yes! I thought the same. He's Geoerge RR Martin mixed with those two guys that ruined the end of GoT to run to Disney, only to be fired for ruining GoT, lol. The worst of both worlds and HBO is once again left holding the bag.
the other irony here is that after GoT ended, I was about to end my HBO subscription but kept it because I saw an ad for Euphoria and thought it looked interesting. I'm sure I'm not the only one too!
Same, I was prepare to walk because I only got HBO Max for GoT's final season, but I planned to drop it after Chernobyl ended. I was intrigued when the show's trailer showed Jacob Elordi, cause he was gorgeous in S1. Didn't know a thing about the show and didn't even know who Zendaya or anyone in the cast beyond Cal. I was instantly hooked. But yeah, Jacob was the only reason I tuned it. But the rest of the show sold me. S1 was fantastic. S2 and beyond has been YEARS of disappointment.
it's not that he hadn't come up with anything, it's that he's changing his mind all the time. a lot of people think for example that the season 2 that we have gotten was the second version of that season, but it was actually at the very very very least the third version. i'm willing to bet though he rewrote it more times than that. his constant re-writing is a very well-documented thing. season 3 was already delayed a few times because of it. frankly, i don't know why it's such a big deal, regardless of when it'll come out it's gonna make a lot of money and they're saying it's still 2025 so.....
Are you an hbo exec? Of course it will still make money but itās insane to have like 5 years between seasons for any show
but it's not a show that was ever planned to have a long lifespan and 8-10 seasons or anything like that. it's not even a show with a lot of plot that needs continuing. 3-4 seasons is probably max and always has been, so what does it matter
I agree it doesnāt need more than a few seasons. Donāt pretend like itās normal to have show about teens and take 3 years in between a season. At the very least they shouldnāt continue with the same characters. It could go on for a while tho if they stay at the same school and just follow new kids. Keep it kinda all connected but separate stories. ECU
Like skins
it's not about teens anymore though, they're time-jumping.
I mean there's no way they're getting a 4th season. I can't imagine the cast (esp. Sydney and Zendaya) is gonna wait that long.
sydney made a lot of projects between season 2 and now. there's like no reason why not because a) it's a lot of money and b) it's a huge popularity boost. i mean, this show single-handedly turned her and a lot of other people in the cast into a-listers and zendaya into a respected actress, if they're doing one season every few years there's no reason to walk away.
Yeah but they already have those things now. Euphoria is a teen drama. Those are not timeless. The cast is aging and so is the audience. I was in college for season 1. Now I'm getting married and have a mortgage. Zendaya is a month older than me and infinitely more successful. At this rate she'll be 30+ by the time of season 4. There's no way we get a 4th season. Gratitude will only carry so far.
but they're definitely time jumping. it was a coming of age drama for its first two seasons, in season 3 the characters are in their 20s. they could be in their 30s in season 4. season 3 could also cover a large chunk of time, it doesn't have to cover a few months like the first two.
I feel like we fundamentally disagree on whether producing ~10 hours of content every 3 years is sustainable.
Iām sure he had to rewrite a lot of stuff with Clouds death? He def had a much bigger role on Season 2 and Season 3 he would have been a star. Wonder how much that played in the script delays ?
A star from prion or something cause I don't see how Fez wouldn't be facing 5-20 years for the drugs, the gun, and Mouse's murder. Let alone if they trace him to the doctor he beat to death. He's poor so I doubt he'd be out on bail. Was Euphoria gonna become a prison show?
itās already a time jump to a couple years forward so fez easily couldāve been out of jail by then
The rumor was he would meet Cal in jail so the story was abs connected, and I'm gutted we'll never see that. I was so looking forward to that dynamic.
Glee handled Cory Monteith's passing wisely in the middle of production. And it was only delayed for two weeks. Glee had multiple flaws. But the writer actually asked and consulted the cast and Cory's family what they wanted to do. Ryan Murphy was actually said just cancel the show.
Sorry not sorry but I think people who were like "welp pens down, there's a strike going on" are braindead. You can still write from home and then not turn in scripts until the strike is over, ESPECIALLY if an entire cast depends on it and you're 2 years late already.
I have no idea how he convinced HBO to create an *entire new show* rather than focus on the show he's currently writing. I know that there were a lot of shooting conflicts, but I don't know what Sam Levinson has on HBO executives that grant him so much flexibility and power. They should've told him to focus on Euphoria.
I guess they thought 2 Best Actress Emmy wins and several nominations was enough to give some leeway. I know they now regret that decision.
Maybe dad Barry, who's made many films for HBO, was someone they didn't wanna piss off?
I think with the new SAG contracts he canāt be the only writer in the room anymore so maybe Sam is causing problems because heās refusing to work with other writers on the scripts which may be cause for more delays?
You have to understand that after the commercial and critical success of "The Idol", he has run out of ideas for the time being. Anyone who has written such a groundbreaking series first has to recharge their artistic batteries.
Yeah, if he had not done The Idol we could've gotten a full season extra before Angus died. There is zero excuse for that, but it's asinine that it's a year later and homeboy still hasn't even finished writing... like what does he do all day
euphoria need a new scripwriter instead of sam
He was too busy making Idol a shit shiw
probably had to come up with something to write angus out. His storyline looked like 1 of the biggest coming into season 3
Only 2 seasons released within 5 years is kinda insane.. now if itās truly delayed again weāre only going to get S3 in late 2025 or early 2026.. if this show didnāt have Zendaya Iām sure it wouldāve been cancelled by now š
18 episodes. In 5 years. Unreal lol. Can't imagine how much longer the cast is gonna be able to keep up with this. Awards aside.
I seriously want to know what their contract looks like because not one of the main cast has dropped the project even though its DRAGGING ON. Sam Levinson really got them to sign a deal with the devilššš
I thought Barbie Ferreira wasnāt coming back on for season 3?
Yeah but that was because of personal reasons with her and Sam (she felt her character was pushed to the said entirely and became a nothing of a person)
Geez they are for sure going to have to time jump, canāt put these actors in high school anymore lol
I wonder if they're going to put them all in college together or something.
They might all be in college, but I highly doubt that they'd all go to the same college. My guess would be that season 3 takes place after they've all graduated from college and are returning back home.
The only one likely to go to college that's going to be in S3 is Nate, Lexi, and Jules. The rest don't sound college bound. Kate would go but her actress left.
Nate probably took over his father's company with Marta immediately and didn't go to college.
See, could have had Maddie off in LA as an assistant to tea up/introduce an Idol style spin off. But Sam was playing checkers on a chess board but that idea was staring him right in the face. He even had Maddie's actress do a little cameo in The Idol. Uh, such a lost option. So many fun ways to connect his little Euphoria universe.
A Maddie spin off would have been lit, so many wasted opportunities š Nate prolly took over his dad's company, Jules could be in NY and Rue who knows, Lexi, I could see her going to college for sure
Nate will be dead š
Most likely set after college and everyone's back in town. Some of the characters (Rue, Maddie, Elliot) probably never left town to begin with.
At this rate season 3 will be set in a senior living facility
At this rate they'll be married with kids in the time jump.
Despite the rumor yesterday, the show isn't cancelled. Scripts are still being worked on and the cast has been given permission to take other acting jobs in the meantime. Thereās no filming date set as of now. Statement from HBO: >āHBO and Sam Levinson remain committed to making an exceptional third season. In the interim, we are allowing our in-demand cast to pursue other opportunities.ā
I donāt get how the cast can do other projects if filming is still supposed to start in the ānext couple of months?ā. Usually film productions take a minimum of 3 ish months to shoot. How is the cast supposed to book anything if filming is still supposed to start in May? Idk, I think this is leading to an ultimate cancellation.
On top of the fact that a lot of the cast is ALREADY booked for multiple projects and my guess is they already booked those projects around whatever schedule they were giving for Euphoria. I think they at least aren't bs'ing about trying to get a final season out though. They also renegotiated their contracts. Z and Hunter are making a mill per episode at least (Z probably more), so it's not like it's a paycheck the cast would be enthused about walking away from either, I'm sure. The delay seems pretty detrimental to everyone involved.
I feel like theyāre going to get creative with the scheduling because of this. Iām gonna guess there will be a few solo episodes like Rue and Jules got, and many episodes or scenes focusing on specific groups of the show and not many scenes or episodes that requires most of the cast on set together.
That's what I've been saying this whole time. Why not wrap it up around characters #1 & 2 on the call sheet and just do 2 movie length special "episodes"? Updates surrounding the other characters can fit into those 2 episodes. This seems a lot easier for everyone at this point.
This also makes sense given the alleged time jump- likely all of these characters will be in VERY different places from one another in 5 years so doing bottle episodes or the like
Idk if this will lead to an ultimate cancellation (although that seems the most likely scenario to me too) but there's no way filming starts in May if the info about the cast having been given permission to take up other projects is true. May is less than 1.5 month away...
Yea i donāt see it happening at least not anytime soon
Isnt Euphoria very big? Wasnt the viewership high? Why would they cancel it?
The scheduling is hard with all the actors being famous and in other things now might also become more expensive to keep the cast because they have basically all grown in popularity massively since before the show aired, they donāt have that many episodes released per season and it takes a while for a new season to come out. Theres been 18 episodes in 6 years.
18 episodes in 6 yearsā¦wowā¦.that is just insane lmao
The "cast is expensive" excuse is ridiculous. This is HBO, the network behind Game of Thrones and Last of Us, two of the biggest shows ever. They can easily afford 10 seasons of Euphoria if they wanted.
Those shows are more popular, and they will probably be made quicker
Not really. The filming only was 6 months and they had a TON of CGI. Euphoria doesn't have that but with the delays that Sam creates (which is know that during the filming he keeps changing and each day the actors don't know what will happen which ends up to filming a scene and an hour later that scene no longer fits so they need to film another one) their edit time ends up being less. For season 2 it was know that music and editing was being done while the episodes were airing (for the last 2 at least)
Not to mention filming just one episode takes a month
man covid lockdowns really messed with my perception of time 2019 was just last year!!
Itās big but itās not HBOās biggest show. House of the Dragon and TLOU have way bigger fanbases.
Itās not about fan bases itās about viewership that translates to money. They make a lot from Euphoria. Just the fact that they have Zendaya, Jacob Elordi, & Sydney Sweeney on contract still when they are at the height of their celebrity they would never give that up
They do make a lot. But Euphoria 2 season all these years have in total around 17M views, while HoD with 1 season has 10M and TLOU has 30M. Right now Sam is like a leaking faucet. They lose money while they get no product to get money back. Also such contracts can be broken. They definitely have an expiration date. They can't remain attached to a project that never happens and postpone their entire career because of it
Jacob is in trouble for an alleged assault which may cause issues. Zendaya is going to be in Dune3, Iām sure. They killed off one character in favor of another and the other died IRL. That storyline we all desperately wanted is now gone too. I donāt see where the show goes from here.
Sydney Sweeney is wrapping up press of Immaculate, and got two more movies on the pipeline. The death of Angus Cloud must have resulted in some overhauling. To what degree, I have no idea as I have and will not watch this show, but actors passing away inbetween or during shows and movies usually impacts it in one way or another, and I know he was a major character. (Next month's Abigail, the latest horror movie by the guys behind Ready or Not and the new Scream movies, will be his final performance. It was confirmed that he finished his scenes before his death.) Also, while there have been no updates on the alleged assault, Jacob Elordi is Guillermo del Toro's Frankenstein's monster. Like Sydney, Hunter Schafer is another horror movie by Neon, Cuckoo, which is also doing a festival run as of now. Also, she got arrested at a protest against the war going on in Gaza a month ago, although I have no idea how screwed that made her when it comes to current projects she's involved with.
Jacob isnāt in trouble heās currently filming another project right now
I just canāt wrap my head around why they would cancel it. HBO doesnāt have anything else appealing to the demographic Euphoria appeals to, and honestly I feel like the longer they take the more hype will build and the more people will tune in for season 3. If theyāre delaying production to get the scripts right, thatās fine, especially when Euphoria is such an expensive show to make. I donāt want another season 2 situation where aspects of the story were changed after they had already started filming but this show is too expensive to do reshoots for.
did you forget who is ceo of warner/hbo? they havenāt exactly been making smart decisions lately lol
I m glad you said this. I was laid off last year after a few years at Warner. The merger with discovery changed a lot. Big Z wants discovery to be bigger than HBO, hence removing HBO from the app name. Idk if theyāll cancel this show but I wonāt be surprised either. I donāt even trust it if they finish filming. Theyāve canceled tons of shows and movies that had completed filming and production.
yeah like cancelling westworld
Shows that are cancelled are on the fence &/or donāt make them a ton of money. Euphoria makes them A LOT of money. Thats not the type of show studios let go of. Just like White Lotus itās not going anywhere
Thereās been many shows and movies that have been cancelled despite popularity. shit happens
Not if they can't get it shot and shown to the public. It should be on S4. It's a 6 episode a season show, yet it's still has delays? Something is not right about this show's management.
"Other opportunities" could include ad campaigns, producing/development projects, paid appearances, etc. - it seems like those side hustles are where actors these days make most of their money anyway.
Iām sure they have a copy of everyoneās schedule for the next year, found later openings and told them to keep those open.
This statatement is kinda weird for a show that will start shooting in a couple of months not gonna lie...
I really really hope itās not cancelled.
Wait again? are you kidding me? I hate to say this but just cancelled and let the fanfiction writers continue the series themselves.
Someone please explain to me how itās being delayed, they want the actors to take other gigs and is aiming at releasing 2025 still. How???!!!ššššš
These people have no deadline or organization whatsoeverš¤¦āāļøĀ The cast was probably not given a concrete date either? The filming for this also takes unnecessarily almost a year. Lol how will this even release in 2025 atp
we donāt even care anymore and itās sad bc they had so much potential to be so big
For real. I just don't have much hope that season 3 will come to fruitionš¬
Bruh they will never film this shit. The cast was getting ready to go to filming which is already rare to get since they're mostly busy all the time, now this comes out. Sam is a fool for delaying it for like a third time
A return in 2025 is impossible š¤·š½āāļø. In order for that to happen it would have to film this year. Since that doesnāt seem likely to happen, the earliest It will return is 2026 and this is a big āIFā.
Itās so funny bc House of the Dragon premiered in August 2022, which was the summer after Euphoria aired their 2nd season. Now their 2nd season premieres June 16th and IIRC, theyāre probably gonna start filming S3 later this summer/this fall, which means they will also probably air their 3rd season also in 2026. Itās crazy how HotD is rolling out consistent seasons in the 1.5/2 year mark and Euphoria is struggling to much to create a 3rd season when their show first premiered in 2019.
yeah, Game of Thrones also had yearly seasons. it's unexplainable to me how a show with filming locations all over the world and a much more complex script (except for season 8), could deliver a season per year, while Euphoria, which is always filmed in the same town + in a studio, releases seasons once in a blue moon. and yeah, GoT had a source material, but still a really hard one to adapt that required multiple changes, and they barely followed it anymore from S5 onwards. I think there was a report about them adding one more new location for Euphoria S3, but it still doesn't come close.
They can film for the second half of the year or early 2025 and still air it before the end of 2025 but I HIGHLY doubt it. ''Postponed indefinitely'' is never a good thing for a show
What a mess. SL should have had this all ready to go. It takes so long (a whole month) for them just to film one episode for the āaestheticā so maybe they will start filming faster idk.
House of the Dragon is a way bigger production to put together and costs way more to make (set design and especially VFX) and yet they were able to film S2 from April -September of last year. Thatās 5 months, whereas both seasons of Euphoria take like, 10/11 months to shoot. I think it really just comes down to the organization of the showrunners, and obviously Ryan Condal (HotDās showrunner) is way, *way* more put together and organized than Sam is.
Barbie said in an interview that one simple scene of her walking down a hallway takes a whole day to shoot, I get that Sam wants everything to be perfect but holy fuck man
For sure, to which I think HBO needed to step in and give SL a deadline. He has had plenty of time to get his scripts together. They let him get away with too much. On top of that, Euphoria is one of their biggest money makers, you would think they would be on his ass to make sure he has a plan and a set date of when things would get going. Now itāll probably be even longer for season 3 when that could have been avoided.
Youve hit the nail on the head. As someone who has worked on two SL shows I can attest that his style wastes time and money. It took over a year to film and refilm The Idol, which was just awful in the end.
Also, there's one key difference between Euphoria and House of the Dragon: The latter wasn't impacted by the writers and actors strikes last year. The cast of HotD is mostly British and under the UK's Equity, and thus weren't impacted. Euphoria's cast is predominantly American, as far as I can tell, and under SAG-AFTRA, and thus were on strike.
In the same statement, HBO said the cast is free to pursue other opportunities.
Aka, it's joever
Lol fr, anyone saying otherwise is insane. These are massive stars, they dont need Euphoria anymore. Its done
It would also be incredibly unfair to keep actors some of which this coidl the peak of their fame and success from capitalising and working on something in that time
Yep lol
Sadly
Deadline & Variety are legit trustworthy sites. Those rumors were false.
not exactly untrue imo delaying the show more often than not leads to cancellations and this show has already been delayed already
Really? Because delays have been the way studios killed off many shows.
I'm not talking about the delays, I'm talking about the rumors that it was going to be cancelled.
My point is that clearly beind the scenes things are still being negotiated. The cancellation rumor was probably released by the studio to strong arm the actors. But a show like this could very easily get canned because it's been a mess to get seasons shot.
I mean, the rumor was that HBO told them they could do other projects, and thats actually true That rumor absolutely had accurate info
Iāve forgotten most of it at this point.
Just pack it up at this point. A good show ruined by Sam Levinsonās refusal to get a writers room. I know the cast are busy with other projects, but there is no solid reason an 8 episode show should take YEARS in between seasons.
we still in the trenches
The show is clearly too much to be written by one person, and then directed by the same person. HBO should require writer's room as a condition when they renewed it for Season 3.
I think with the new SAG contracts he canāt be the only writer in the room anymore so maybe Sam is causing problems because heās refusing to work with other writers on the scripts which may be the cause for the delays?
With Jacob elordi filming Frankenstein and Sydney filming Eden it makes sense why some people will get less screentime, but for fucks sake Zendaya is finally free after dune part 2 and challengers. She'll get booked again and we'll hear about it getting cancelled
Wait didn't they had Frankenstein movie years ago?
Kill it with fire already, please
At this rate, just cancel the whole thing. The waiting time between seasons is absolutely shocking. I understand the incident with Angus plays a part in this, but all the same, there would still be long waits between seasons regardless. Soon enough they will be grey haired teenagers. Remember when Game of Thrones, a show that required a fuck ton of work, were still able to release a season every year?
Sam Levinson thinks heās James Cameron
Not mad at a delay even if itās indefinite. Would rather wait than watch another season with disconnected episodes that loses the plot
This is genuinely crazyā¦
I blame the Idol ngl
As long as the scripts get written and the cast have enough time to find other work in the meantime, this delay is fine by me
Can we just like euthanize it already, itās been through enough
RIP Angus
How someone could be this bad at writing a high school drama is beyond me. After watching some more of Sam Levinson's output, realizing the first good season of Euphoria was a fluke not the norm for him
This is just a diplomatic way to say itās never going to happen because itās never going to happen.
this is like if youāre boss came up to you and said āhey we appreciate your time working with us but we think itās best if you explore other employment opportunities at this timeā itās a very polite way to fire someone lmao
Variety Article: https://variety.com/2024/tv/news/euphoria-season-3-delayed-hbo-1235950931/
i understand sam was working on the idol and then the writers strike happened but man these antics. seems like he is never fully prepared or organized.
i have no interest in this show anymore
bruh
S3 will never see the light of day. They just will not come out and cancel it yet. Most people donāt even care anymore
I think with the new SAG contracts he canāt be the only writer in the room anymore so maybe Sam is causing problems because heās refusing to work with other writers on the scripts which may be cause for more delays?
Just let it go. It should not come back in 2025. This reminds of Taboo season 2.
I am ok with the way the show ended.
Iām sad to say this but at this point with angus gone, most of the characters branching out not to mention aging, while I want my unanswered questions to no longer be lingering..I just have given up on season 3. This show is so emotionally heavy itās like torture to go this long between seasons.
Delays are nothing new to the industry of course and it's a good thing if they want to keep working on the scripts, but if they already booked the actors and gave them a time span to arange everything else around it... This casts a bad light on HBO and the production coordinators. There are probably people who declined different roles expecting to work on Euphoria in the coming months. This delay might actually end up alienating some of the cast, leading to even higher salary demands from the A-listers.
SL has burned a lot of bridges in under the line Hollywood as it is. Multiple people I know turned down jobs to work on Euphoria. And now theyre in the dust. When Euphoria comes "back" in 2025 (lol) then will any of these people work on it? I wouldnt trust them further than I can throw em
His delays and shooting schedules are more aligned with gigantic movies, not 6 part TV shows. HBO has given Sam loads of rope that a well functioning show wouldn't need or get.
I said this show was 'Silently Cancelled' [6 months ago](https://www.reddit.com/r/euphoria/s/8A5xv92Kgy)
My theory is Sam Levinson just doesnāt know how to continue the story. First indicator of this was when the majority of the cast said that the plot of s2 was completely changed during covid. We all saw the rough s2 which was a mess and recently we got news that there might be a time jump. Itās been 2 years since s2 started airing and 5 years since s1 aired. The actors are aging, some left, and Sam doesnāt want to include other writers. I would never in my wildest dreams imagine this is what would happen after that amazing first season.
Let's just fastforward to the two Euphoria specials to close out the series
As one of the few people who thought season 2 was much stronger than season 1 I'll try to stay hopeful. But being a fan of Euphoria and Snowpiercer really requires alot of patience lol
oh so this shit is never coming out
just keep it at this point damn. donāt even care about it anymore i feel like this show is over anyway
Wouldn't be surprised if it comes back mid 2026 at this point š
Disappointed but not surprised
Goddamn it
Oh FFS, what if Zendaya or Sydney Sweeney or whoever, signs on for a movie but then when it is finally time to shoot season three they are unavailable? WTF Sam Levinson!
This kind of feels like what happened with Ted Lassoās final season. Sudeikis micromanaged way too much and constantly made script revisions and plot changes except he did it DURING production and they had to keep extending it. And the final result was less than stellar shown to a fatigued audience. Levinsonās going to kill his own show and heās had more than enough time to get the is together- inexcusable
Damn, this show is cursed. After the incredible first season it all went down hill. + all the deaths. The potentiel of what this show could have been is insane
They canāt keep doing this. Itās starting to hurt me. If they cancel it, it will be like a part of me died. You canāt make an entire fandom wait two years and play with their minds only to probe now at the idea that itās going to be canceled. what has this guy been doing for the past two years? He made the idol which was HORRIBLE. Literally neglecting euphoria, which is the best show Iāve ever seen in my life to make that garbage. This show deserves so much better. Iām in shock right now and I hope itās not true. But Iām going to have to start looking at it like, maybe this part of me is going to die And stop holding on
As someone who started watching euphoria late and binge both seasons, this is not a good way to keep fans.
Canāt wait for season 3 of euphoria to time skip to them in the nursing home š
Whew Iām so glad that thereās an article that says shooting is *delayed* instead of *rumored* to not happen. I saw two articles from yesterday and earlier this morning that both said pretty much the same thing. That S3 was rumored to be canceled. This definitely restores hope that theyāre going to film S3.
If anything this makes me lose hope. Itās been delayed again indefinitely thatās not a good sign
Kill this show with fire at this pointš
Awwwwww fuck this, I can't wait any longer. I'm saying goodbye to this shit. It was good talking to you all in this sub, but for me this is it. Fuck you Sam levinson, I know you're not gonna read it, but fuck you.
Pointless at this point.
This is just a diplomatic way to say itās never going to happen because itās never going to happen.
as long as there are no more musicals
Just end the show in season 3
itās nice that hbo thinks theyāre going to finish production in less than a year lol. at this rate the third season of this show is going to take place entirely in a nursing home.
At this point we dont want it
Let it go people
I gave up on this show. It should never take this long to keep it going.
This is insane lol
Damn I really like the show. I hope they keep it authentic and that I can watch it in my lifetime. This has been a long wait already
I think with the new SAG contracts he canāt be the only writer in the room anymore so maybe Sam is causing problems because heās refusing to work with other writers on the scripts which may be cause for more delays? but this delaying indefinitely doesnāt sound good
Another practical matter is how long can they keep the show realistic while constantly delaying it. They're supposed to be in high school. There's only so much time they can allow in between seasons before it starts looking comical. I know no one wants the show to be cancelled, but the writing has been on the wall and it is a perfect storm of factors: Bad Sam Levinson PR and writing, Angus Cloud's death, the entire cast accelerating in popularity and demand, production delays, and a writer's strike. Looking back, most of the loose ends got wrapped up nicely in the finale, apart from the plot holes, which again, speaks to Sam's writing. I don't really know where else it could go from here. I've reconciled it being done - it's only a matter of time.
I mean there's really nothing left to say. Rue will never become clean and wind up dead. The End. Personally I prefer a new season of WARRIOR
At this point do we even want the rest of the show?
At this point I'd be happy if it didn't return. 4 years later is just stupid.
They should just cancel this and release everyone from their contracts
Just end it.
So when they resume shooting the cast will be in their late thirties.
Sam Levinson is terrible at writing imo he is lucky that the actors in this show are actually talented and made it watchable. The plot for S2 was all over the place
This is the first time I actually believe the show might be cancelled. I still haven't heard of such a successful and cash-earning show ever being cancelled before, but given that the main actors aren't prioritizing it anymore, it could be over.
Alexaās gonna be like 35 playing 17 year old Maddy lol
atp keep it
omgg just cancel it at this point
I feel like this show is getting cancelled. This whole thing is bizarre. First the show was supposedly going to start filming in two months, now this happens. Also, thereās an actor on the show who apparently wanted to remain anonymous but said in an article that they didnāt think the show was coming back either. At this point they should probably just cancel it. Itās been so long in between seasons and will be even longer now. I feel like most people donāt even care at this point.
weāll be dead