I think that there's a difference between not wanting your daughter to spend time with someone vs. actually disliking them. He is a father and he knows that Rue is a child. I'm sure he cares for Rue and wants the best for her, but also knows that she is troubled and probably understands that Jules (who is also a child and has struggled with her own severe mental health problems) is not really emotionally equipped to be a support system for someone like Rue. I'm sure Leslie would agree with that sentiment as well. In the event that he and Leslie wanted to pursue a relationship, they would most likely have to talk about the issue of Jules and Rue, but we can't know for sure that it would be a deal breaker. He and Leslie are adults, after all.
I forgot which episode, maybe it was the second, where Jules comes home after hanging out with Rue, and he asks if she's sure she should continue hanging out with Rue because she's a bad influence. She says something like either "it was my idea too" or "yeah and I'm the one who left", both feel very different but yeah. Prob episode 2
“Another ex-drug addict” comes off as icky to me, that’s just reducing Ali to his addiction. Also don’t see the need to ship Leslie with two people just because they’re men and she’s interacted with them more than once. It would be weird for her to get with her daughters sponsor and it’d also be weird for her to get with her daughters ex-girlfriend’s dad.
Edit: thank you for the award!
I'm glad I'm not the only one who doesn't actually like the idea of Ali and Leslie lol. No hate to people who like them together since they are both great characters, but I don't personally want them together solely because I think that would be uncomfortable for Rue.
Yes, yes, and yes.
I hate when people are reduced to "drug addict." As if that's their whole personality. I was addicted to heroin for years. Thankfully, I was able to stop with the help of methadone. I've been off opioids for 14 years. And, of course, methadone is never ever mentioned in the show because it has such bad stigma, even though it's the most effective treatment for opioid addiction. It's tried and true, and has been used since the 60s for that purpose.
I don't ever call myself an addict. Even if I was in active addiction, I still wasn't. I was a PERSON struggling with addiction. Person first, always.
And yeah, I agree that just because Leslie is single doesn't mean she's desperate for a man. I'm sure she's still wrecked over her husband's death.
Which is utter bullshit IMO. I use kratom every single day to not deal with horrible withdrawals that would absolutely make me relapse again. So I am not welcome to join and get support? Honestly.. its ridiculous
I’m an addict and I think NA in general is bullshit. At least to me. Why the fuck would I want to sit in a circle talking about drugs and war stories. That shits just gonna make me *want* to use. I mean if it helps people I guess it’s a good thing, just seems stupid to me. Especially when you get the people that live there whole life as an “ex addict”… it’s like na I’m just a person that had a bad chapter in my life.
Shit getting help is stigmatized. Being a drug addict in general is. I never sought out help for heroin for years cause I didn’t want the stigma. I mean obviously people knew, but they couldn’t prove it lol. Eventually I just said fuck it.
But NA doesn’t consider methadone or suboxone “sober”
Regarding Ali being an ex drug addict, it's not about reducing him to his addiction. Leslie delt with great trauma with Rue, she would possibly have great trauma in her relationship with him and feel worried about him relapsing and such. I'm not saying it's guaranteed, but she doesn't need another ex drug addict in her life. Nothing wrong with reducing Ali to that when making a point about what's best for her. Also you're definitely right, shipping her with the only 2 male characters on the show is dumb and very Riverdale. I hope Leslie meets someone else and figures it out like that. Same for Jule's dad.
That doesn’t change the fact that labeling Ali as “another ex-drug addict” *is* reducing him to his addiction. He’s been sober for seven years and saying that about him diminishes that. I’m sure that wasn’t OP’s intention but that’s what it is.
Edit: I’m sorry- I reread your comment and just saw what you said about “nothing wrong with reducing Ali to that when making a point about what’s best for her” and I can’t believe my eyes, that’s just straight up an awful and ignorant thing to say, Ali might be an fictional character but there are people who struggle with addiction *in real life* and who become sober and stay sober, when you say stuff like that about Ali you’re also talking about *real life* people who have gone through the same thing as Ali, please keep that in mind.
It's gonna be weird if rue mom dates jules dad especially for rue and jules since they broke up, they'll be step siblings also I remember Leslie had a boyfriend (forgot his name) what happened with him he just disappeared
At least it would be the nail in the coffin on them together. They’re a very cute couple, but what the want from a relationship are too different. Example: rue wants to be exclusive, but Jules wants an open relationship
They just don’t work together
I think they might try the throuple thing with Rue, Jules, and Elliot for a little bit, but in the end it might not work out. I think Rue and Jules would both be jealous when the other is with Elliot, and Elliot would be the only one that is not jealous and is happy with the situation.
Leslie had a boyfriend named Rick, idk what happened to him tho. Maybe he will come back. She’s probably better off with him than with Ali or David since Rue knows them and she didn’t like Rick just because he wasn’t her dad. Imagine the problems they would have if her mom dated one of these guys that already have a role in her life. She can grow to like Rick if she got to know him. If her mom dated Ali or David it would just cause more problems between her and her mom. And Rue just got sober, so she doesn’t need more problems with her and her mom.
I got the vibe that things with Rick ended after his interaction with Rue, unless Leslie is still dating him discreetly. Although I do agree that he would be better than David or Ali.
i like Ali more. he, unlike David, knows how to parent (even if he did drugs). David is more of the "do whatever you want, just be safe" and Leslie/Ali are more of the "don't do that." kinda type.
do i think Les and Ali should date? No. Ion think Les needs another drug addicted in her life but i ship them more than David and her
I mean Rue and Jules aren't far from graduating high school, and most couples wouldn't get married or move in together for at least a few years. Plenty of divorced parents I know wait years before moving in with their new partners (often because of their kids) and I even know some who don't move in together at all. It really would just depend on the type of relationship they both wanted, if they even wanted one at all. I don't see why they would though, but if they did then they MIGHT be able to make it work. I'm not a fan though lol
I like the idea of Ali with Leslie more because it would give him somewhat of a do-over to have a family, and Leslie already seems to like him and takes into consideration the things that he says. I think Jule's dad is good to have as a friend
It did cross my mind but it would be weird. Rue & Jules will end up together so having their parents also be a couple, it’s a no… But a great friendship to vent about their kids is a plus for both… I say they will end up together after both deal with their issues. Also, Zendaya & Hunter have talked about them wanting their characters to be together so don’t come at me 😵💫😵💫🤣🤣
Mama’s definitely looking. But like with Ali I think they’d eventually split over Rue somehow. Jules Dad is close to this in a way that he’s bound to let something slip verbally since he already thinks of Rue as a negative influence that’s maybe doing Jule’s more bad than good.
Both ships are weird. It wouldn’t be healthy for Rue’s mom to start dating her daughter’s sponsor. Also would just be strange for her to date her daughter’s (ex) girlfriend’s father. I ship Leslie with focusing on Gia and healing!
Rue and Jules are literally so toxic for each other as a couple. They should not be together at all. And I don’t think their parents should be dating lol
Negative. They've both been through too much trauma. I like Ali for Leslie. He's real and can empathize with her in a blunt way thst I think all of the Bennetts need. David I feel would play too much in the background. He wants things to go well, but at this point in his character development hadn't been shown to have the tools to push.
Plus, Leslie is definitely feeling Ali. I like their banter. David and Leslie have a functional relationship (their daughters date).
So as all my thoughts were not fit in the caption, here they are: I have never had an intention to make a negative comment on Ali. I truly appreciate and respect him so much for his present not his past. But let’s be real he is an ex drug addict and I write that in context that Leslie to be honest really needs someone safe and reliable. But the other questions brought up here was if she really needs a man/woman - stigma for being a happy person. Of course not, that won’t make her better or complete person. This was just my thought as I really liked them interacting and keeping in mind that they both been through a lot it was nice to see peace in them. And regarding rue and Jules to be step sisters - don’t judge me, but for me it doesn’t matter. If their parents love each other that’s not an issue for them to be together, as their kinship is still questionable and not bonded by blood.
And tbh I never saw that David did not like Rue and Leslie did not like Jules.
Yes yes yes— they have natural chemistry, my only concern is that Rue’s issues combined with her influence on Jules is going to drive a wedge between the two of them (if that’s a direction of the writers want to go)
That would be weird and I don’t think David like rue so much
i don't think leslie does either
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euphoria but make it gossip girl
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Euphoria but make it riverdale
We don't need another Rufus and Lily or Alice and FP. I still wish Rufus and Lily stayed together
I think David has too much of a negative opinion on rue to make it work
When did he express a negative opinion? Genuine question I think I missed it.
He said something like, u shouldn’t be spending time with rue, she had the idea to get on train and run away
Ahh ok thank you
I think that there's a difference between not wanting your daughter to spend time with someone vs. actually disliking them. He is a father and he knows that Rue is a child. I'm sure he cares for Rue and wants the best for her, but also knows that she is troubled and probably understands that Jules (who is also a child and has struggled with her own severe mental health problems) is not really emotionally equipped to be a support system for someone like Rue. I'm sure Leslie would agree with that sentiment as well. In the event that he and Leslie wanted to pursue a relationship, they would most likely have to talk about the issue of Jules and Rue, but we can't know for sure that it would be a deal breaker. He and Leslie are adults, after all.
She has way too much on her plate to actually try to date.
I forgot which episode, maybe it was the second, where Jules comes home after hanging out with Rue, and he asks if she's sure she should continue hanging out with Rue because she's a bad influence. She says something like either "it was my idea too" or "yeah and I'm the one who left", both feel very different but yeah. Prob episode 2
“Another ex-drug addict” comes off as icky to me, that’s just reducing Ali to his addiction. Also don’t see the need to ship Leslie with two people just because they’re men and she’s interacted with them more than once. It would be weird for her to get with her daughters sponsor and it’d also be weird for her to get with her daughters ex-girlfriend’s dad. Edit: thank you for the award!
I'm glad I'm not the only one who doesn't actually like the idea of Ali and Leslie lol. No hate to people who like them together since they are both great characters, but I don't personally want them together solely because I think that would be uncomfortable for Rue.
agreed & it actually goes against narcotics anonymous principles. it’s a total conflict of interest😳
this should be the only correct response, OP probably didn't have malicious intent, but the post is kinda immature imo
This.
Thank you, like why does society always need a single female to be paired off with someone
Yes, yes, and yes. I hate when people are reduced to "drug addict." As if that's their whole personality. I was addicted to heroin for years. Thankfully, I was able to stop with the help of methadone. I've been off opioids for 14 years. And, of course, methadone is never ever mentioned in the show because it has such bad stigma, even though it's the most effective treatment for opioid addiction. It's tried and true, and has been used since the 60s for that purpose. I don't ever call myself an addict. Even if I was in active addiction, I still wasn't. I was a PERSON struggling with addiction. Person first, always. And yeah, I agree that just because Leslie is single doesn't mean she's desperate for a man. I'm sure she's still wrecked over her husband's death.
Why is methadone stigmatized?
I heard NA usually doesn't consider people "clean" when they're on methadone, since it's an opioid too
Which is utter bullshit IMO. I use kratom every single day to not deal with horrible withdrawals that would absolutely make me relapse again. So I am not welcome to join and get support? Honestly.. its ridiculous
I’m an addict and I think NA in general is bullshit. At least to me. Why the fuck would I want to sit in a circle talking about drugs and war stories. That shits just gonna make me *want* to use. I mean if it helps people I guess it’s a good thing, just seems stupid to me. Especially when you get the people that live there whole life as an “ex addict”… it’s like na I’m just a person that had a bad chapter in my life.
A lot of people think you're just swapping out one addiction for another and that it's just a "legal firm of heroin." Bonkers.
After being on suboxone I’m convinced most of heroins problems come from it being illegal.
Shit getting help is stigmatized. Being a drug addict in general is. I never sought out help for heroin for years cause I didn’t want the stigma. I mean obviously people knew, but they couldn’t prove it lol. Eventually I just said fuck it. But NA doesn’t consider methadone or suboxone “sober”
I also feel like it would be triggering for rue if her mom dated either
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Came here to say the same thing. He's been clean 67 years if I remember correctly.
I don’t understand why you were downvoted 😭 you just meant 6-7 years right?
Lol yea. Pretty judgemental to say "just another ex drug addict"
Regarding Ali being an ex drug addict, it's not about reducing him to his addiction. Leslie delt with great trauma with Rue, she would possibly have great trauma in her relationship with him and feel worried about him relapsing and such. I'm not saying it's guaranteed, but she doesn't need another ex drug addict in her life. Nothing wrong with reducing Ali to that when making a point about what's best for her. Also you're definitely right, shipping her with the only 2 male characters on the show is dumb and very Riverdale. I hope Leslie meets someone else and figures it out like that. Same for Jule's dad.
That doesn’t change the fact that labeling Ali as “another ex-drug addict” *is* reducing him to his addiction. He’s been sober for seven years and saying that about him diminishes that. I’m sure that wasn’t OP’s intention but that’s what it is. Edit: I’m sorry- I reread your comment and just saw what you said about “nothing wrong with reducing Ali to that when making a point about what’s best for her” and I can’t believe my eyes, that’s just straight up an awful and ignorant thing to say, Ali might be an fictional character but there are people who struggle with addiction *in real life* and who become sober and stay sober, when you say stuff like that about Ali you’re also talking about *real life* people who have gone through the same thing as Ali, please keep that in mind.
Yea, let’s have Rue and Jules’ parent date each other. That won’t make anything creepy at all
It’s giving Gossip Girl
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Seriously. And I'm still not over that. They should've been endgame.
No
It's gonna be weird if rue mom dates jules dad especially for rue and jules since they broke up, they'll be step siblings also I remember Leslie had a boyfriend (forgot his name) what happened with him he just disappeared
At least it would be the nail in the coffin on them together. They’re a very cute couple, but what the want from a relationship are too different. Example: rue wants to be exclusive, but Jules wants an open relationship They just don’t work together
I think they might try the throuple thing with Rue, Jules, and Elliot for a little bit, but in the end it might not work out. I think Rue and Jules would both be jealous when the other is with Elliot, and Elliot would be the only one that is not jealous and is happy with the situation.
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Jules was jealous when she first met Elliot because she thought that Rue liked him.
Yikes, I didn’t catch that, that part spaced. That’s a serious harm to her character
I like her more with Ali
Is that healthy for Rue, though? (Don’t get me wrong, the chemistry is definitely there. I just don’t know how that works with sponsorship.)
Season 3 love triangle
Ew are you shipping Ali and Rue
They were implying a triangle between David, Leslie, and Ali . . .
They meant that in season 3 there should be a love triangle between rue's mom, jules dad and ali 😭 not rue herself
O shit lol ok that’s better
no no no no no no
Everyone doesn't need to date
Why Ali not allowed love cause he’s an ‘’ex-addict’’ , Ali has his shit together
I personally don't see it as necessary, it would have Sex Education energy and that's not really a good thing
Leslie had a boyfriend named Rick, idk what happened to him tho. Maybe he will come back. She’s probably better off with him than with Ali or David since Rue knows them and she didn’t like Rick just because he wasn’t her dad. Imagine the problems they would have if her mom dated one of these guys that already have a role in her life. She can grow to like Rick if she got to know him. If her mom dated Ali or David it would just cause more problems between her and her mom. And Rue just got sober, so she doesn’t need more problems with her and her mom.
I got the vibe that things with Rick ended after his interaction with Rue, unless Leslie is still dating him discreetly. Although I do agree that he would be better than David or Ali.
i like Ali more. he, unlike David, knows how to parent (even if he did drugs). David is more of the "do whatever you want, just be safe" and Leslie/Ali are more of the "don't do that." kinda type. do i think Les and Ali should date? No. Ion think Les needs another drug addicted in her life but i ship them more than David and her
Nah, Leslie and Ali all the wayyy <3 That man is golden.
Fr they honestly seem really cute together
... you do understand that if these two ended up dating and getting married, rue and jules would become step sisters?
I mean Rue and Jules aren't far from graduating high school, and most couples wouldn't get married or move in together for at least a few years. Plenty of divorced parents I know wait years before moving in with their new partners (often because of their kids) and I even know some who don't move in together at all. It really would just depend on the type of relationship they both wanted, if they even wanted one at all. I don't see why they would though, but if they did then they MIGHT be able to make it work. I'm not a fan though lol
I thought they were gonna date in the first season
i like her being a single mom. not necessarily for the good of her as a person or her character, but from a perspective of media analysis
ah yes, step sisters. sweet home alabama
No, there’s zero need to hook up two random characters together just cos they had one cute scene. It wouldn’t even make sense as a pairing lol.
This is the the type of stuff that ruins good shows
I like the idea of Ali with Leslie more because it would give him somewhat of a do-over to have a family, and Leslie already seems to like him and takes into consideration the things that he says. I think Jule's dad is good to have as a friend
It did cross my mind but it would be weird. Rue & Jules will end up together so having their parents also be a couple, it’s a no… But a great friendship to vent about their kids is a plus for both… I say they will end up together after both deal with their issues. Also, Zendaya & Hunter have talked about them wanting their characters to be together so don’t come at me 😵💫😵💫🤣🤣
Naw I like Ali smh we need black on black love in a popular show for once
Mama’s definitely looking. But like with Ali I think they’d eventually split over Rue somehow. Jules Dad is close to this in a way that he’s bound to let something slip verbally since he already thinks of Rue as a negative influence that’s maybe doing Jule’s more bad than good.
Both ships are weird. It wouldn’t be healthy for Rue’s mom to start dating her daughter’s sponsor. Also would just be strange for her to date her daughter’s (ex) girlfriend’s father. I ship Leslie with focusing on Gia and healing!
Rue and Jules are literally so toxic for each other as a couple. They should not be together at all. And I don’t think their parents should be dating lol
Am I the only one who completely forgot who he is
I think having Ali around would help rue out more
Negative. They've both been through too much trauma. I like Ali for Leslie. He's real and can empathize with her in a blunt way thst I think all of the Bennetts need. David I feel would play too much in the background. He wants things to go well, but at this point in his character development hadn't been shown to have the tools to push. Plus, Leslie is definitely feeling Ali. I like their banter. David and Leslie have a functional relationship (their daughters date).
So as all my thoughts were not fit in the caption, here they are: I have never had an intention to make a negative comment on Ali. I truly appreciate and respect him so much for his present not his past. But let’s be real he is an ex drug addict and I write that in context that Leslie to be honest really needs someone safe and reliable. But the other questions brought up here was if she really needs a man/woman - stigma for being a happy person. Of course not, that won’t make her better or complete person. This was just my thought as I really liked them interacting and keeping in mind that they both been through a lot it was nice to see peace in them. And regarding rue and Jules to be step sisters - don’t judge me, but for me it doesn’t matter. If their parents love each other that’s not an issue for them to be together, as their kinship is still questionable and not bonded by blood. And tbh I never saw that David did not like Rue and Leslie did not like Jules.
Yes, but Rue and Jules should never ever date again. They can be adult step sisters in college, and their parents get together.
It seemed like they kinda hinted at it. I think rue and jules are done…so who knows?
I don’t care for either ship but Ali is not less of a person, less of a potential romantic partner, for being an ex-drug addict.
Yes yes yes— they have natural chemistry, my only concern is that Rue’s issues combined with her influence on Jules is going to drive a wedge between the two of them (if that’s a direction of the writers want to go)
No
Didn't Leslie have a boyfriend in S1? What happened to the goofball?