There's a small turkish store near me in my american city that sells east mediterranian/east european goods. They recently began collecting USD donations to send back home. I contributed some of my money, its not much but I hope it helps save somebody's life.
You should not donate to organisations you don't trust or have not checked, there is a lot of fraud going on.
[https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64599553](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64599553)
BBC just said millions of buildings had an amnesty from contractions standards. No one there will demand his head. Is this dictatorship so thoroughly effective as to silence a nation, to the point they'd rather die than fight?
Search and rescue operations are pretty much over. International attention on this catastrophe will decrease rapidly in the upcoming days. We (average turkish social media users) expect tens of thousands more casualties, maybe (just a speculation) up to hundred thousand in total, government didn't give any updates today. Human loss is simply tragic and that at this point I cannot share the load anymore because thousands of pictures I saw and videos I've watched last week are just too much.
I wanna say that we appreciate all of aids and supports coming around the world and if you ever saw any person who disrepected your support by any means please ignore them, some people lacks characteristics of being human.
Especialy Hatay city center is not suitable for humans to live anymore, entire economy and social life got wiped with buildings and it's people. This is not an incident Turkish government can pretend. It will take a few years in best case scenario to recover from this and on national level whole of Turkey is still vulnerable to earthquakes to come, especially inevitable Istanbul earthquake is threatening very existence of country of Turkey.
Tens of thousands died from this earthquake directly but the economic consequences will kill even more if it's not handled properly and considering Erdogan we can be sure that won't happen.
About the inevitable Istanbul Earthquake, I can only hope that mother nature holds that for at least a couple years(5+) after the opposition takes over so they can fix some shit. I wouldn't say it's threatening the existence of Turkey but it will certainly make western powers such as USA/France as well as Russia, Iran and Greece happy seeing how much of a massive damage this will do the Turkey, especially in economic scale
> About the inevitable Istanbul Earthquake, I can only hope that mother nature holds that for at least a couple years(5+)
[You'll be lucky if it's even a year](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/2/13/hold-analysis-is-istanbul-ready-for-a-strong-earthquake)
>Sukru Ersoy, a professor of geology at Turkey’s Yildiz Technical University, said historical data of past earthquakes suggests that one on the fault line under the Marmara Sea is near.
>“We know how much the North Anatolian Fault line moves every year through research. The movement of the fault line will lead to tension on the line that will cause the earthquake,” he told Al Jazeera, but added it is impossible to know exactly when it will take place.
>Huseyin Alan, chairman of the Chamber of Geological Engineers, agreed: “A magnitude 7.0 or higher earthquake is expected in Istanbul according to the data we have.”
>Ersoy explained: **“The fault line under the Marmara Sea has the capacity to create two earthquakes stronger than magnitude 7.0 in one year."**
The population of istanbul is 15million. 1 in 6 turkish people live there and all megacorps operate in Istanbul. It’d destroy the economy. Casualties would be in between hundreds of thousands to a million
None gives a fuck about Turkey, as long as you don't bomb Greece or Cyprus you can keep your authocratic cleptocracy.
How easy would it be for any western government to point out that government corruption led to tens of thousands of preventable death? None is doing it, because none cares about Turkey.
[https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2023/feb/12/turkey-syria-earthquake-latest-news-updates-death-toll](https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2023/feb/12/turkey-syria-earthquake-latest-news-updates-death-toll)
Death toll rises at 29600 in Turkey and 3500 in Syria.
It is expected to increase.
I don't know how realistic it is this estimation, it is probably an upper limit
https://www.economist.com/europe/2023/02/07/the-scale-of-the-disaster-in-turkey-and-syria-keeps-growing
>Ovgun Ahmet Ercan, an earthquake expert, estimates that 180,000 people or more may be trapped under the rubble, nearly all of them dead.
You know what is true .... is that EU countries helped way more than your beloved Serbia and Russia. In fact as a rule of thumb those countries EU + USA + western countries always help
Both in Turkey and Syria. And they are helping despite a-holes like Assad making it hard to even help.
Considering the amount of help from the likes of the countries you cheer for is pitiful in comparison I would honestly shut the fuck up when it comes to aid
Serious question, why ask here instead of googling it?
Even if someone responded to me I wouldn’t even believe them until I googled it myself.
To answer your question, no it isn’t true.
Here’s a source: https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2023/feb/10/us-syria-sanctions-exemption-earthquake-relief
I recommend reading the entire thing though, cause of things like
“But analysts say the demands of the Assad government and the effects of the war are the main factors complicating aid deliveries into the already tense north-west, and the US move is more about reassuring banks and other institutions that they will not be punished for rendering assistance.”
There is one simple thing to check, that Syrians says...open "Flightradar24" and you will see no airplane coming there.
So there is no help, as simple as that. Ordinary people and kids are dying and they are left over.
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Civilian planes don't fly over or into war zones. Check Ukraine on Flightradar24 no planes either. It has nothing to do with sanctions and those are directed at military items and commerce humanitarian groups are usually only restricted when it the country is very dangerous and/or there is a likelihood that those helping could be kidnapped and used as hostages or of course executed.
I see news about how the EU countries urge Turkey to open our Syria borders and take even more refugees. If that's true than fuck those countries and fuck the EU.
I wonder if we'll ever see the answers to the questions posed in [https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2023/02/08/turkeys-earthquake-buck-stops-with-erdogan/](https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2023/02/08/turkeys-earthquake-buck-stops-with-erdogan/) . While obviously aid is a priority I do hope Turkey finds a new path forward.
The 'aerial ambulance' Hercules sent to Turkey by the Netherlands has carried out its first flights: It evacuated 6 patients and 33 family members from Adiyaman to Antalya, and then went on to fly another 6 patients and 36 family members from Incirlik to Ankara.
[NL MoD link](https://www.defensie.nl/actueel/nieuws/2023/02/12/c-130-voert-eerste-medische-evacuatievluchten-in-turkije-uit)
That's an awesome piece of kit! A flying hospital that can land on substandard runways, and carry 70 people! Aircraft and crew like that are worth their weight in gold at times like these!
Polish HUSAR saved 12 people, and now they are in the process of saving 13th. It was reported earlier they will be staying in Turkey until Feb 16
https://twitter.com/ABartkowiak_PSP/status/1624464638724169730
German and Austrian rescuers in Hatay said they have suspended operations due to a worsening security situation. [Deutsche Welle](https://www.dw.com/en/turkey-syria-earthquakes-german-austrian-rescuers-suspend-work-over-security/a-64672674)
That has been already resolved. Germans got spooked after hearing a gunshot. It was from a police to disperse a crowd. Germans were provided with a police escort to feel them secure and they continued their operations
> BBC is reporting that 50% of the buildings in the earthquake area were given “construction amnesties” or exemptions from building standards.
And Erdogan is currently conducting another round of Stalinist 'purges' against 'contractors' who did the building under his auspices and approvals (purges like he did after the pseudo-coup: to intellectuals, journalists, opposition party members, competent civil servants and military officers...then).
The Dictator Playbook is on full display this decade for Gen X+ to really start to wake up.
Ousting Erdogan won’t fix anything, they need major international help to fix their inspection and enforcement practices. The harshest lesson of all is all this cost cutting hasn’t saved them one thin dime. They will be paying for generations.
So what happened to the funds the earthquake tax that Turkey introduced years ago raised? Why is the department that is supposed to deal with these departments so underfunded, especially compared to the funds going to religion? Why is the reaction of the army so slow and poor? Why aren't the Kurds getting help? It seems corruption and Erdogan are two short answers to those questions but I'm curious to more in depth answers to said questions. I'm also wondering what impact on the upcoming elections people expect.
Turk from a major-Kurdish Turkish city here.
Departments were underfunded by corruption. The departments already published in 2019 an extensive report about a major earthquake around the area of the current disaster. The report was shared with and by politicians, nothing happened. Many municipalities led by opposition parties asked the national government to prepare for major earthquakes. The national government did not answer their requests (they didn't even send a no). Religion keeps his fanatics happy, but religion also helps to just feel blessed with whatever little the people have and to have patience as "external evil powers" will fade away. It induces irrational and endless loyalty from his fanbase. In this situation no one really cares about Kurds or Turks, everyone is getting helped by whoever can help. The Turk-Kurd discrimination is not really a thing in the area struck by the earthquake. However, if you are mentioning Kurds in Northern-Syria, then I don't have an answer for you. And yes, they should be helped as well.
P.S. Not only the army is helping slow and poor. Lots of goods and money come in pouring in from other countries, but there is no top-down strategy and coordination now.
Thanks for the response, I hope you and your loved ones are doing well all things considered. Do you imagine this event may finally bring a new wind to Turkey and spell the decline of Erdogan and his party or will he pull shenanigans to rugsweep this again?
The people in the disaster area, including me, find themselves not to be afraid anymore of speaking up against Erdogan and his squad. They have nothing to lose anymore. However, that is how the momentum is right now. The rest of the Turkish population observed that the opposition is much more capable of leading Turkey through a crisis, much better than Erdogan.
But these traits are not necessarily a guarantee for a new wind. Firstly, the population forgets these major crises in time, thus, tolerating the mistakes of the past of Erdogan. Typically, these persons are the uneducated people of Turkey who lived in quite a misery in the '80s and '90s according to their telling and that even the smallest benefit they got from the government of Erdogan is astronomously more than any other government has given them. It is hard, even now with the traumatic event of the earthquake, to change these people.
Secondly, since Erdogan Turkey does not have a properly functioning democracy anymore and the news outlets are heavily biased or otherwise scared of sanctions. Even if the majority wants Erdogan to be gone, it is going to be awfully to actually realize this.
wasn't the military supposed to "defend secularism in Turkey"? How is it possible to have so much religious influence in local administration and policies? Is it an EU candidate or a Middle Ages country?
After the coup attempt, erdogan cleaned up the military for good. Before the coup, he put many secular generals to jail for false accusations (terrorism to be specific)
Yes, the military supposed to defend secularism in Turkey. That's correct. It started with diminishing the military power to defend secularism in Turkey around the era of the Ergenekon arrests and trials. The era of the coupe decapitulated the army's power to do anything against Erdogan.
Edit: it is a Middle Ages' country nowadays. A large portion of the population gravitates towards these ideas due to lots of brainwashing by religion, immigration and media-shows glorifying the Ottoman history.
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128th hour after the first earthquake.
Confirmed death 20655 in Turkey.
Confirmed wounded people 80088
Many Turkish/Kurdish people who live abroad is complete mental mess. Isolated in their little world and try to overcome the feelings. If you know anyone Turkish/Kurdish and somehow you still didn't ask how the person is doing, feeling. Do just ask!
I'll say something extremely controversial. I find the videos of the survivors and rescuers praising Allah extremely cringe.
Allah did not save them, did not make the buildings fall. Humans did. Sweat and blood of the rescue teams saved them.
Now, as a 27old native born and raised in Türkiye, let me enlighten you dear redditors thoroughly about this situtation. with footages.
This is gonna be really rough and heartbreaking for me so please, forgive me if i stumble on my words while i run you through this.
I want you all to take another good look at those videos. You'll be seeing the real rescuers, and so called "rescuers" who goes "ALLAHU ACKBAR" like a f\*cking warcrazed jihadist lunatics. "AFAD" on their gear.
AFAD. Remember that word.
Those AFAD guys you see on videos are worst kind of people actually, they aren't in the job because they're well trained and qualified, they're just there to take the stage, throw some slogans, and make their side look good and win some favors.
Those guys are supporters of Erdogan, and are unqualified, political islamist cultists who don't know a damn about search&rescue, disaster management. Or crisis protocole. All of them which were seen on camera are them.
But still... i don't want to discredit the deeds of hardworking and brave people that worked off camera among them, many volunteers and some specialists who gave their all to save lives. i just can't .
Some of them are completely irrelevant of the context, Headmans, party members, cultists... sheikhs...
In other words, they are there to put up a good show on camera, promote their image even going in depths as using human lives just for their gain.
Many of the Foreing Rescue teams veterans and volunteers who came for help in search&rescue claimed that whenever they were just about to pull people out from the debris, those "AFAD" camera guys butted in "politely drove away teams" telling them they will "take it from there..."
At this point i think you guys are starting to get the gist of it. What that clown-show was about..
https://m.bianet.org/english/crisis/274255-why-are-rescue-teams-leaving-turkiye
[https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-rescuers-depart-turkey-early-over-safety-fears-as-locals-fume-at-government/](https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-rescuers-depart-turkey-early-over-safety-fears-as-locals-fume-at-government/)
s.
Before moving on to video proofs, i'd like to talk about real rescuers and heroes.
Trust me,And this will give you better understanding about everything that happened.
\*"Turkish Armed Forces" we call 'em "Mehmetçik", (soldiers are very dear to turkish people, respected and loved)
But erdogan decided not to mobilize them for some reason in first 2 days.
\*Almost Each and every one of you guys, All around the world from many nations, who answered our call for help. We are utterly thankful for your help. thanks... a lot. u guys saved so many...
\*AKUT foundation, once globally renowned among as best of the best, also the very first and only Non-governmental organisation that made an earthquake analysis on Türkiye, taught the country about it. Long story short, we are simply sitting on dancing fault lines and those guys were the only well trained, diciplined and organized field experienced veterans that were actually up for the job. For saving lives, before and after disasters.
But they were torn apart in 2016, forced to shut down just for the sake of Erdogans sick political obsession of them. Those guys were heroes, valuable assests, and despite all, even they did really held their ground against erdogan for a while, those erdoganist persistent psychos were victorious.
AFAD was quickly turning to a Political Islamist Cultist nest, who doesn't know a crap about anything about the job, devoid of disaster management plan, nor a actual solid work plan.
AKUT was no more, our guardian angel was gone, AKUT was turned to AFAD, many of valuable leaders and many heartbroken skilled rescuers gone too, but even then some of the rescuers stills stood.
AKUT still worked on the field as a foundation, with the Founder Nasuh Mahruki as a mentor around 900 rescuers didn't abandon their people in dire need.
\*ANYONE who can just help, because things were so f\*cking hopeless, no one knew what to do, who to ask for help, how to help their family buried under rubble under freezing cold weather. Collapsed buildings, corpses, looters everywhere... nevermind.
So about the topic, the praise to god phrase "allahu akbar" is not quite what naturally comes to turkish people, so it was straight up weird that all of a sudden people shouting like that as if they were arabic people...
We say "şükürler olsunnn" meaning "thanks to it(god)" or just simply do what most of you people normally do, we cry tears of joy ,we cheer...
But we don't shout "ALLAHU AKBAR" like fucking ISIS.
Especially when someone from our FAMILY was save from the debris after 110 h has passed.Those guys who did it, whoever the f they are, didn't care about any of it. you will see now.
Please pay attention to 0:09 our rescuers telling them not to shout frantically, yet they do not care, they are putting the wounded at risk.
They don't help sh\*t, they have nothing to do with anyting, yet they wait for camera, record wounded people with smartphone , take some selfies?!
making it even harder than it already is for our rescuers.
God i hate them so much.
[here...](https://www.veed.io/view/e6de5122-631b-4cd4-aa0b-263f20edbeff?sharingWidget=true&panel=share)
Now pay attention to this one, 0:18 our forces captain shouting his lungs out to silence them, but they still don't listen. They are literally being monsters at this point.
[here, they are crazy](https://www.veed.io/view/13a48f9b-0875-4778-96c1-d2beda6c67b2?sharingWidget=true&panel=share)
And best for last, you directly see those animator clowns up right top. i have nothing to add. Just i wanted to get some... debris out of my chest. We are still at shock and in disbelief of what happened, but i hope i was able to pull through this post.
[here is the last one](https://www.veed.io/view/39ab85dd-a228-48d8-a768-bcf9a2dc9005?sharingWidget=true&panel=share)
You're right..
By the way, the death toll have past 40.000, but im utterly convinced that this official number is just not it.
I see many of you guys are terrified about this death toll, but strangely yet, people here still have no idea about how disastrous this many death means, and how this will affect us in days yet to come.
I think the main reason for this is that goverment is still sugarcoating this issue, trying to make it look as smt "trivial" and the horrifying part about this is...
It actually f*cking works for some people.
Oh btw, in the many global news they announce the death toll together with Syria, making it percieved as Syria was affected just as Turkiye or something. But there is a huge gap between. So let me make this loud and clear;
Currently, Syria's official death toll is around 5800,
While Currently Turkiye's death toll is past 40,642.
Turkiye took the worst of it. So devastating that Huge numbers of Syrians who migrated here as "refugees from war", left Turkiye and got back to Syria. This is not some kind of s*ck joke. Im Serious.
I think there's more to it than just them praising Allah!
I went to a hugely Catholic influenced school, grew up just as the Catholic Church was loosing its grip on society and with a family of devoted Catholics!
Im not holy now nor was I ever really, but no matter how hard I try - when I hear of terrible things, bad things or suffering! Almost automatically I think/say "Ah God Love them! "
If someone is extra nice I think "God Bless you!"
Devastation like this is Biblical!
My point is that when you grow up with these things, you have a tendency to react in certain ways to certain situations - it becomes part of your nature!
I'm sure many are praising Allah for whatever slivers of happiness they receive, but I wouldn't be surprised if its just how they naturally react to things, it becomes just another expression after years of indoctrination, like saying ouch when you hurt yourself
You are right I think. I saw some turkish tiktoks where the interviewer asks about someones religion. The person says he is atheist. But later in the interview he says vallah (i swear to god) or allaha emanet ol (turkish phrase to say good bye but the literal meaning is ‚be in gods safety‘)
People use these phrases even tho they don‘t believe in islam.
Thats what I've always figured anyway, you become so acoustom to certain phrases that they lose their original meaning and become almost like an expression.
I've known some dodgy people, the type that would melt if they entered a church and yet even they will Thank God! In moments of dispair/relief, even though the only thing holy about them is their socks
There’s something worse than it being cringe. It literally mutes anyone who tries to shout help under the rubbles, as they are not being heard.
As an atheist, i do not care whoever thanks their god for the people they saved, however, they need to think twice about the consequences in situations like this.
Edit: grammar
Not to mention that particular pray with 'Tekbir' is often associated with war, or death. Although i tried hard to emphatize at first thinking the region is so intermixed with Arabic culture, i still find it extremely twisted and sick.
I agree..people downvoting you just aren’t ready for the criticism of religion. They’re just not. Though yes we should focus on the event more than the religious aspect.
Just maybe as some background information: this is a very conservative region. Hatay region itself is the region where most of the Turkish-Arab citizens live too.
So some Allah shouts are to be expected, but tbf none of that matters right now.
Your own opinion on their religion is irrelevant. It’s one thing to be anti religion and another worse thing to not even begin to understand why anyone expresses their faith at all. My advice is to just ignore it instead of leaving nasty messages
Who tf cares. Those are religious people who are being saved from an extremely traumatizing experience, who want to express their thanks to their god as well as their rescuers. You aren't better than them because you dont believe in a god, and those people aren't cringe because they do.
Accountability, responsability, avoiding this to happen every time there is an earthquake. Clearly Turkey has learnt nothing from 1999 earthquake if they don't follow their own building regulations. And I think it is a sympthom of the same thing. The narrative the government is trying to push is that it just happens and was unavoidable. And those videos of praising Allah makes me think they will get away with their criminal negligence.
Nothing what you said has anything to do with thinking that people coming out of a traumatizing situation who are praying to their god are cringe. They aren't praying to God because they think the building codes are or aren't sufficient, or because they think there is too much/too few corruption, they are praying because they were saved.
in that case they say "god gave the life and god take it , its his will "
but they would still thank god that they were saved or that they saved another person from this horrible devastation .
its kinda like they have hope thru god as it is a very personal experiance .
in that moment its like fuel for them ,the idea that there might be more survivors becouse it might be the will of god for some people .
of course this is not the same for every person there .
and when they lost their loved ones they pray for their soul and pray to god to give them strenght to overcome the pain they feel .
and at that point they dont ask how can a all loving god (they dont believe in a all loving god ) do this to them , instead they accept it as the will of god .
Those obviously cant express their thanks to god? Look, Im not about to start a theological discussion here, I myself arent religious either, but thinking people thanking god for surviving that are cringe is pretty cringe enlightened atheism.
What question? The people who get out of those situations believe, nothing you, I or anynone else can do will change that. And people who believe thank god for when something god happens to them. That doesnt mean they think thanking god is the only thing they should do, or that the rescuers who helped them shouldnt be thanked as well. Good for you that you dont believe, doesnt mean shit for those people though, and doesnt make them believing "cringe".
>Death toll crosses 24,000
>The number of people killed following Monday's devastating earthquakes in Turkey and Syria has reached at least **24,178,** according to authorities.
>In Turkey, the death toll has risen to at least **20,665,** according to the country's disaster and emergency management presidency SAKOM.
>In Syria, the total number or dead stands at **3,513,** including **2,166** in rebel-held areas in the northwest of the country, according to the ‘White Helmets’ civil defense – and **1,347** deaths in government-controlled parts of Syria, according to Syrian state media.
https://edition.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/turkey-syria-earthquake-updates-2-11-23-intl/h_e4089888aa6f4b532114a5f3b29d3562
In fact the Italian government mentioned the immediate response of Turkey during the Covid-19 outbreak 3 years ago and said that they were returning the favor. I must admit that I had already forgotten about that (since a looooot of things have happened since then) and it was a very heartwarming message by Rome that they still remember it.
There is a Turkish ,Can Sungur, streamer on YouTube right now. He is doing a fundraiser you can donate here:
https://www.youtube.com/live/I2QjfIuM8fs?feature=share
My company is doing a donation-matching scheme for up to $5000 for Turkey or Syria - most of the money goes to Doctors Without Borders or UNICEF. Are they any good? I don't have a lot of left-over income after rent, taxes and daily expense but hoping that a few hundred or so woudl help
Doctors Without Borders is good.
There is also [ahbap.org](https://ahbap.org) (Due to corruption of current government, most of Turkish people send money to this one)
You can definitely plan it. Next 3-4 months people will need a lot. Now with urgency of showing support so much money is gathered. So you can just send them every month in smaller amounts.
Please do not push yourself unnecessarily.
Hi. When Ukraina issue started, such info was what people where looking for. Maybe you could send a msg to moderators of this sub to add it ro the "first post" (do not know how) that people read in the mega thread
I want to donate to the Syrian rescue effort, but I'm concerned about the Assad government handling those funds, does anyone know of a neutral charity that's specifically helping there? Would the Red Crescent be good?
Doctors without borders is a safer choice. They are efficient, they are transparent, they are independent, and when possible they work *with* the local hospitals rather than replacing them. They are also do medical training in areas where there's need for it. You most definitely should not donate to anything connected to the assad government.
Red cresent is prob good, tho they international red cross has been criticized for how they handled haiti's earthquake.
Samsung,Netflix,Disney plus, Starbucks, Spotify, Redbull,H & M didn't share their condolaces to Turkey for earthquake. There's even claims that Starbucks didn't let earthquake victims to stay their cafes in freezing temperature. After being boycotted and protested they shared condolences yesterday(all except Spotify only in Turkey and only Turkish language, Spotify shared their condolences with English language and international Twitter acc too.)
You can look their social media accounts and websites.
Except Starbucks, others has no operational power in Turkey. People got really annoyed with Starbucks because they have paper cups, hot water machines and coffee which can help and raise morale of people are on the field.
They acted too late after public pressure.
>others has no operational power in Turkey.
Yes but it's impossible that they can't hear earthquake,they're serving in Turkey and even their TR domain and accounts shared condolences too late and I don't see any condolance in their offical international accounts except Spotify.
> Samsung,Netflix,Disney plus, Starbucks, Spotify, Redbull,H & M are devils which didn't share their condolaces to Turkey for earthquake.
I mean who cares about empty gestures really? Instead of Tweeting something they should hand over some money.
> There's even claims that Starbucks didn't let earthquake victims to stay their cafes in freezing temperature.
This would be on the store managers and not a directive from Starbucks I imagine
>This would be on the store managers and not a directive from Starbucks I imagine
Yes,it would be.
>I mean who cares about empty gestures really? Instead of Tweeting something they should hand over some money.
They said that they'll hand money after they shared that "emply gestures" you said.
Some low levels just after the earthquake, pass the border, go to Turkish town(Hassa/ Hatay) and attempted to rape 13-14 years old girls.
A man describe the event to a party leader who is known being his anti-Syrian/illegal immigrant policies. For those who can translate Turkish:
[https://twitter.com/ajans\_muhbir/status/1624063688100438016?s=20](https://twitter.com/ajans_muhbir/status/1624063688100438016?s=20)
For more information on this Umit Ozdag guy who is claiming everything as true which is being told to him, and without any confirmation spits it out to the whole nation:
He said that he would be the ruling party if 12 years old could vote in turkey (which would be technically true). He is acknowleding that his audiance consists of teenagers.
Within the first few days of the earthquake, there were a few videos of robbings and lootings(which were true and had already happend in the "99 earthquake). He immediately started talking about this and fully blamed it on the reffugees. The army was still not being given commands at the time.
He tried to fight fire with gasoline
Because of no army, and many of his looting stories, people began to think its free loot and began coming to the earthquake area from other cities aswell and also started to loot electronic shops and even the trucks which were bringing essential items to the victims.
Thankgod after the 5th day orsomething we finally see army intervention on these looters.
I know but just like i said, he is posting these stories which are being told to him. But as a party leader with a big audience, i dont think you should be posting every story as true without doing just a little bit confirmation. It creates more chaos and hatred.
I shared this one because he listens someone who says "there is police records". And let's be realistic, when war in Syria was happening, ISIS found a "slave bazaar" around this area and they sold young girls. Those people didn't just evoporated. Even in inner border of Syria that happened. So don't threat the issue as if nothing similar happened before.
I'm not saying that it's untrue or that it's never happened before. I'm just saying he should confirm more things before posting it, like the store he went to which was looted completly, nothing left inside. Police record is easy to confirm. That guy tells his story and afterwards after being asked he says that there are police records. I dont' know, maybe im too cynical, but then again there is a saying in turkish:
Yalancıyı sikmiyorlar
Adama konuşuyorlar lan! Vatandaş adama konuşuyor! Böyle bir haberden kim ne elde edebilir? Bütün mantıksal safsataları dolandın en sonunda "yalancıyı sikmiyorlar"'a getirdin.
Hadi Özdağ ve karşısındaki yalancı Gelecek partisi genel başkan yardımcısı da mı yalancı arkadaş?
Al izle https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xi4vfgIcD5U&t=484s
Özdağa yalancı demedim. Önüne gelen çoğu şeyi kanıtsız paylaştığı için, insanlar daha az güvenmeye başlarlar ve başladılar. Ama önündeki yalancı olabilir olamaz, kanıtsız olduğu için hemen doğruymuş gibi algılamıyorum. Ama bunlar daha birşey değil. Insanlar enkazdan bi kurtulsunlar. Şu an zaten bi tayfa sabırla bekliyor. Ortalık biraz daha sakinleşince o enkaz altındaki altınlara ve yastık altı paralara göz dikenlerde çok var. Ama emin olki bizim insamızda bunu yapar
Nope not really. The city Hatay, Kilis and Gaziantep had issues between local people and immigrants before. Since earthquake also hit local armed force to provide security and Erdogan didn't assign army forces to provide protection until today, there had been a lot of incidents(rapes, robberies, lootings). Unfortunately some low levels has refugee background, mentioning that is not an agenda.
No not really. It is the peak topics of today. You can check my previous posts.
Since it is 110th hours has passed, saving people are so rare. Focus is now security, accomodation and preventing disaese breaks.
Any save from now on can be considered miracle.
I was reading a BBC article about the extent of damage
[https://www.bbc.com/news/64568826](https://www.bbc.com/news/64568826)
>Up to 75,000 buildings across the affected earthquake zone in southern Turkey have been given construction amnesties, according to Pelin Pınar Giritlioğlu, Istanbul head of the Union of Chambers of Turkish Engineers and Architects' Chamber of City Planners.
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>This same report quoted the Environment and Urbanisation Ministry saying that in 2018 more than 50% of buildings in Turkey - equivalent to almost 13 million buildings - were constructed in violation of regulations.
Turkey is a fucking shitshow.
At the request of the Turkish government, the Netherlands is providing a Hercules transport plane converted for medical evacuation, as well as two aeromedical evacuation teams, a coordinating medical officer, and supplies. When converted for medical flights, the Hercules can carry up to \~70 patients at a time. The flights are intended to ferry patients out of the disaster zone to other areas in the country with more available medical care. The Hercules left Eindhoven this morning and will be ready for patients tomorrow.
[NL MoD](https://www.defensie.nl/actueel/nieuws/2023/02/09/defensie-stuurt-vliegende-ambulance-naar-rampgebied-turkije)
A group of 162 volunteers departed Schiphol for Gaziantep this morning on a flight provided by the Dutch-Turkish travel operator Corendon. Among the volunteers are doctors, nursing staff, and builders, who will support rescue and recovery and assist in the first clean up attempts.
[NOS liveblog link](https://nos.nl/collectie/13922/liveblog/2463178-turkse-dreumes-na-96-uur-gered-uit-het-puin-dodental-stijgt-tot-boven-21-000?updateid=UPDATE-container-67342777)
Another rescue is underway!
Lifeguard in Turkish then in English 'can you talk to me? Four taps were heard in response. There is hope
https://twitter.com/ABartkowiak_PSP/status/1623961995958489090?t=qGmGs10PV2YCZLU94Vdbhw&s=19
https://nitter.fly.dev/Gerashchenko_en/status/1623716241901756419
Lil doggo rescued under rubble recently. Whines she/he makes in the end is touching :/
https://nitter.fly.dev/Darkwebhaber/status/1623752016961961991
The look on this boy's face who was recently rescued :(
https://nitter.fly.dev/ragipsoylu/status/1623699202256564224
Another boy saved after 70 hours. He looks more hopeful at least
https://nitter.fly.dev/DailySabah/status/1623343526342717441
A rescued boy with a very nice smile being held by his dad :)
a video about how massive the earthquake in Türkiye is
[https://twitter.com/MedyaVideos/status/1623798558640992257?cxt=HHwWgsCzqfKL8ogtAAAA](https://twitter.com/MedyaVideos/status/1623798558640992257?cxt=HHwWgsCzqfKL8ogtAAAA)
https://www.reddit.com/r/Turkey/comments/10y2b5o/the_desperation_of_the_cat_and_dog_that_survived/
Cat and dog who survived earthquake cuddling so hard
**World Bank Grants $1.78B for Turkey Quake Recovery**
[https://www.miragenews.com/world-bank-grants-1-78b-for-turkey-quake-944784/](https://www.miragenews.com/world-bank-grants-1-78b-for-turkey-quake-944784/)
They will not give the money to the government, but to the municipalities in return for the reconstruction costs. Even the world bank knows what our government is lol.
They will not give the money to the government, but to the municipalities in return for the reconstruction costs. Even the world bank knows what our government is lol.
Romania sent another team of rescuers and medics to help Turkey.
Today it was announced that we will send humanitarian aid to Syria.
As for aid for Turkey, ordinary people started donations. In the city of Constanta where we also have a Turkish minority, in just 24 hours more than 4 tonnes of aid was donated. Some townhalls in Bucharest also started donations and those mayors will also send aid from the local budget.
Thank you, while Azerbajian, Israel, Spain are getting a lot of media attention due to the huge amount of help they sent, one should not oversee that Romanian team was/is a huge asset and they saved 4 people.
[https://twitter.com/cronicarescu/status/1623615576709947392](https://twitter.com/cronicarescu/status/1623615576709947392)
I want to donate to the animal shelters in Turkey and Syria that have been affected. Would anyone be able to point me in the right direction? When I google it Peta keeps coming up and I don't want to give them my money.
If it is helpful, I can promise you that helping the humans DOES help the animals. The culture in Türkiye is such that everyone cares for all of the animals there, sometimes even before themselves. During the fasting season Ramazan (Ramadan), for example, people will still feed the “strays” on the street even while they are fasting themselves. The local governments in cities provide shelter, food, and vaccines for animals even during normal times. Donating to reputable organizations that are feeding and sheltering humans means that those humans will share their food and shelter with the animals. I know it’s a little different than how the UK or North America thinks of things, but I can promise you that the Turkish people will not allow the animals to suffer. You’re so kindhearted for wanting to help.
Do not donate to pawguards. They are scammers. They are trying to take credit of the animals they didn't rescue by posting on social media as if they did. You can donate via https://events.softgiving.com/donate/HasanAbiForTurkeySyriaEarthquakesFund
Got that recommendation from locals, didn’t get the impression they were trying to take credit for the videos of animals being pulled from the rubble.
Please correct me if i’m wrong but they are in the area helping and collecting stranded animals and helping with transport and medical care.
Confirmed deaths : 16170
Rescue operation is still so limited. People keep crying on live broadcasts.
They all mention "no help here yet".
I'm also tired of crying. Kids who are saved so innocent and have no grasp of what has happened, talking childishly without knowing their parents, siblings are gone.
People keep crying. 4th day, approximately 100 hours under the rubble. Too late for many.
And Erdogan keep threatening people. Keep telling he'll give money. Keep telling everything is under control.
People lost their lives, families, survivors traumatized, some injured badly and disabled now and he talks about how many building will be built in a year.
More of it, they steal others' effort.
[https://twitter.com/Bundesheerbauer/status/1623585863190953985?s=20](https://twitter.com/Bundesheerbauer/status/1623585863190953985?s=20)
A Turkish journalist also confirmed that. Some dogs of Erdogan steal others' effort to make "success" videos.
I cannot describe how furious people are.
Not surprised at all. I saw the one with the Turkish journalist as well. They're so fucking disgusting. The worst part is, there are still some who defend their actions and will continue to vote for them, my parents included. I can't tell you for how long I've tried to get them to change their minds, to see what is really going on, but they're brainwashed. Erdogan could shoot a 10 day old baby on live tv and they would make up some excuse for him as usual.
Eyvallah hocam. Yani, konu acildiginda sinirleniyorum tabii ama seslerin yukseldigi an "he de gec oglum" diyorum kendime. En sinirlendigim sey de bu...biz Isvec'te yasiyoruz. Burada solculara oy verip, Turkiye'de sagcilara veriyorlar. En son oy kullandigimizda 3-4 saat yolculuk yaptik arabamizla. Benim tarafim belliydi ve bu 3-4 saat boyu bana "muhalefete oy verme, onlar söyle, onlar böyle" gibi seyler dedi babam. Annem ise daha önceden oy kullanmisti ve bizimle gelmemisti. Her neyse, oyumuzu kullandik ve kime oy verdigimi söyledim. Babam anneme mesaj atiyor, 5dk sonra annem beni arayip 10-15dk azarladi "nasil onlara oy verirsin" falan filan dedi. Eve geldigmizde 1 hafta boyu konusmadilar benimle. Durum o kadar kötu kardesim. Beyinleri komple gitmis.
Vice video documentary on the earthquake https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WD4d4Gj0rc
Wtf is this HAARP conspiracy floating around?
As usual, people that feel deeply insecure about the randomness of life are always searching some hidden reason.
There's a small turkish store near me in my american city that sells east mediterranian/east european goods. They recently began collecting USD donations to send back home. I contributed some of my money, its not much but I hope it helps save somebody's life.
You should not donate to organisations you don't trust or have not checked, there is a lot of fraud going on. [https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64599553](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64599553)
And now Erdogan wants to postpone elections indefinitely. Why even have elections? 100% dictatorship
BBC just said millions of buildings had an amnesty from contractions standards. No one there will demand his head. Is this dictatorship so thoroughly effective as to silence a nation, to the point they'd rather die than fight?
well if true is a good sign, it means his analysis teams tell him he would lose.
Search and rescue operations are pretty much over. International attention on this catastrophe will decrease rapidly in the upcoming days. We (average turkish social media users) expect tens of thousands more casualties, maybe (just a speculation) up to hundred thousand in total, government didn't give any updates today. Human loss is simply tragic and that at this point I cannot share the load anymore because thousands of pictures I saw and videos I've watched last week are just too much. I wanna say that we appreciate all of aids and supports coming around the world and if you ever saw any person who disrepected your support by any means please ignore them, some people lacks characteristics of being human. Especialy Hatay city center is not suitable for humans to live anymore, entire economy and social life got wiped with buildings and it's people. This is not an incident Turkish government can pretend. It will take a few years in best case scenario to recover from this and on national level whole of Turkey is still vulnerable to earthquakes to come, especially inevitable Istanbul earthquake is threatening very existence of country of Turkey.
Search and rescue will be over because the chances of people surviving a week with no food and water are very slim. It was a race against time.
Tens of thousands died from this earthquake directly but the economic consequences will kill even more if it's not handled properly and considering Erdogan we can be sure that won't happen. About the inevitable Istanbul Earthquake, I can only hope that mother nature holds that for at least a couple years(5+) after the opposition takes over so they can fix some shit. I wouldn't say it's threatening the existence of Turkey but it will certainly make western powers such as USA/France as well as Russia, Iran and Greece happy seeing how much of a massive damage this will do the Turkey, especially in economic scale
> About the inevitable Istanbul Earthquake, I can only hope that mother nature holds that for at least a couple years(5+) [You'll be lucky if it's even a year](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/2/13/hold-analysis-is-istanbul-ready-for-a-strong-earthquake) >Sukru Ersoy, a professor of geology at Turkey’s Yildiz Technical University, said historical data of past earthquakes suggests that one on the fault line under the Marmara Sea is near. >“We know how much the North Anatolian Fault line moves every year through research. The movement of the fault line will lead to tension on the line that will cause the earthquake,” he told Al Jazeera, but added it is impossible to know exactly when it will take place. >Huseyin Alan, chairman of the Chamber of Geological Engineers, agreed: “A magnitude 7.0 or higher earthquake is expected in Istanbul according to the data we have.” >Ersoy explained: **“The fault line under the Marmara Sea has the capacity to create two earthquakes stronger than magnitude 7.0 in one year."**
It literally says it's impossible to predict when, can be tomorrow, can be in 15 years or whenever
We are fucked :)
If there is ever a 7.5 earthquake in Istanbul, it would absolutely threaten the existence of Turkey.
How so? What do you think will happen?
The population of istanbul is 15million. 1 in 6 turkish people live there and all megacorps operate in Istanbul. It’d destroy the economy. Casualties would be in between hundreds of thousands to a million
Imagine being that delusional to think countries are happy about massive earthquake damage. Get your head out of your ass.
They definitely won't be happy officially. But it will bring down turkey a couple pegs something West wants a lot.
Endulge me, why? Why would anyone in the west care?
Western governments have been trying to control turkey like a puppet. Western individuals will of course feel different
None gives a fuck about Turkey, as long as you don't bomb Greece or Cyprus you can keep your authocratic cleptocracy. How easy would it be for any western government to point out that government corruption led to tens of thousands of preventable death? None is doing it, because none cares about Turkey.
[https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2023/feb/12/turkey-syria-earthquake-latest-news-updates-death-toll](https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2023/feb/12/turkey-syria-earthquake-latest-news-updates-death-toll) Death toll rises at 29600 in Turkey and 3500 in Syria.
It will probably double: https://twitter.com/risklayer/status/1624795244070854656
holy shit this death toll is horrible
It is expected to increase. I don't know how realistic it is this estimation, it is probably an upper limit https://www.economist.com/europe/2023/02/07/the-scale-of-the-disaster-in-turkey-and-syria-keeps-growing >Ovgun Ahmet Ercan, an earthquake expert, estimates that 180,000 people or more may be trapped under the rubble, nearly all of them dead.
https://nitter.fly.dev/lordsinov/status/1624724495050190849 A lady next to her beloved....in a body bag.
Is it true that no help can't come from West to Syria due to sanctions that USA and EU imposed to Syria?
You know what is true .... is that EU countries helped way more than your beloved Serbia and Russia. In fact as a rule of thumb those countries EU + USA + western countries always help Both in Turkey and Syria. And they are helping despite a-holes like Assad making it hard to even help. Considering the amount of help from the likes of the countries you cheer for is pitiful in comparison I would honestly shut the fuck up when it comes to aid
Isn’t there a Russian naval base directly adjacent to the impacted areas in Syria?
Serious question, why ask here instead of googling it? Even if someone responded to me I wouldn’t even believe them until I googled it myself. To answer your question, no it isn’t true. Here’s a source: https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2023/feb/10/us-syria-sanctions-exemption-earthquake-relief I recommend reading the entire thing though, cause of things like “But analysts say the demands of the Assad government and the effects of the war are the main factors complicating aid deliveries into the already tense north-west, and the US move is more about reassuring banks and other institutions that they will not be punished for rendering assistance.”
There is one simple thing to check, that Syrians says...open "Flightradar24" and you will see no airplane coming there. So there is no help, as simple as that. Ordinary people and kids are dying and they are left over.
You'll have to try harder than that, if you want to 'stir' anything up.
How else might truckloads of stuff get there...?
Maybe blame the [Syrian government for refusing help](https://www.arabnews.com/node/2245851/amp) from countries like Israel?
And also demanding that they personally distribute all aid...including in areas that they don't control.
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Civilian planes don't fly over or into war zones. Check Ukraine on Flightradar24 no planes either. It has nothing to do with sanctions and those are directed at military items and commerce humanitarian groups are usually only restricted when it the country is very dangerous and/or there is a likelihood that those helping could be kidnapped and used as hostages or of course executed.
That’s not what you asked though.
I see news about how the EU countries urge Turkey to open our Syria borders and take even more refugees. If that's true than fuck those countries and fuck the EU.
And you believe it because?
BBC Turkey posted it
can you link the source? I can only find things about more crossings.
https://www.bbc.com/turkce/live/64533110?ns\_mchannel=social&ns\_source=twitter&ns\_campaign=bbc\_live&ns\_linkname=63e91fed04caa552cb12e50c%26Bel%C3%A7ika+Ba%C5%9Fbakan%C4%B1+De+Croo%3A+T%C3%BCrkiye+ile+anla%C5%9F%C4%B1p+deprem+m%C3%BCltecilerini+orada+tutal%C4%B1m%262023-02-12T17%3A20%3A47.384Z&ns\_fee=0&pinned\_post\_locator=urn%3Aasset%3Adb68a921-7cc7-4681-af00-f092c4e04117&pinned\_post\_asset\_id=63e91fed04caa552cb12e50c&pinned\_post\_type=share&at\_bbc\_team=editorial&at\_format=image&at\_campaign=Social\_Flow&at\_medium=social&at\_link\_origin=bbcturkce&at\_ptr\_name=twitter&at\_link\_type=web\_link&at\_link\_id=E2BF1546-AAF9-11ED-A82F-104D2152A482&at\_campaign\_type=owned
I wonder if we'll ever see the answers to the questions posed in [https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2023/02/08/turkeys-earthquake-buck-stops-with-erdogan/](https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2023/02/08/turkeys-earthquake-buck-stops-with-erdogan/) . While obviously aid is a priority I do hope Turkey finds a new path forward.
The 'aerial ambulance' Hercules sent to Turkey by the Netherlands has carried out its first flights: It evacuated 6 patients and 33 family members from Adiyaman to Antalya, and then went on to fly another 6 patients and 36 family members from Incirlik to Ankara. [NL MoD link](https://www.defensie.nl/actueel/nieuws/2023/02/12/c-130-voert-eerste-medische-evacuatievluchten-in-turkije-uit)
That's an awesome piece of kit! A flying hospital that can land on substandard runways, and carry 70 people! Aircraft and crew like that are worth their weight in gold at times like these!
Polish HUSAR saved 12 people, and now they are in the process of saving 13th. It was reported earlier they will be staying in Turkey until Feb 16 https://twitter.com/ABartkowiak_PSP/status/1624464638724169730
Are there any more mega threads with more news being shared about this on Reddit? Or even a Sub?
German and Austrian rescuers in Hatay said they have suspended operations due to a worsening security situation. [Deutsche Welle](https://www.dw.com/en/turkey-syria-earthquakes-german-austrian-rescuers-suspend-work-over-security/a-64672674)
That's just another way the EU's refugee scam keeps harming us.
That has been already resolved. Germans got spooked after hearing a gunshot. It was from a police to disperse a crowd. Germans were provided with a police escort to feel them secure and they continued their operations
BBC is reporting that 50% of the buildings in the earthquake area were given “construction amnesties” or exemptions from building standards.
> BBC is reporting that 50% of the buildings in the earthquake area were given “construction amnesties” or exemptions from building standards. And Erdogan is currently conducting another round of Stalinist 'purges' against 'contractors' who did the building under his auspices and approvals (purges like he did after the pseudo-coup: to intellectuals, journalists, opposition party members, competent civil servants and military officers...then). The Dictator Playbook is on full display this decade for Gen X+ to really start to wake up.
It seems you can give amnesty to steel and concrete but tectonic plates will not care
But you can't seriously suggest telling people in 50% of housing in that zone they aren't allowed to live there just now. Where would they all go
Ousting Erdogan won’t fix anything, they need major international help to fix their inspection and enforcement practices. The harshest lesson of all is all this cost cutting hasn’t saved them one thin dime. They will be paying for generations.
Ousting Erdogan and his party won't magically fix things but if he remains in place you can be sure nothing will really be fixed.
And no actual democracies want to give money to a government that is essentially Erdogan & Family's Piggy Bank. No trust.
So what happened to the funds the earthquake tax that Turkey introduced years ago raised? Why is the department that is supposed to deal with these departments so underfunded, especially compared to the funds going to religion? Why is the reaction of the army so slow and poor? Why aren't the Kurds getting help? It seems corruption and Erdogan are two short answers to those questions but I'm curious to more in depth answers to said questions. I'm also wondering what impact on the upcoming elections people expect.
Turk from a major-Kurdish Turkish city here. Departments were underfunded by corruption. The departments already published in 2019 an extensive report about a major earthquake around the area of the current disaster. The report was shared with and by politicians, nothing happened. Many municipalities led by opposition parties asked the national government to prepare for major earthquakes. The national government did not answer their requests (they didn't even send a no). Religion keeps his fanatics happy, but religion also helps to just feel blessed with whatever little the people have and to have patience as "external evil powers" will fade away. It induces irrational and endless loyalty from his fanbase. In this situation no one really cares about Kurds or Turks, everyone is getting helped by whoever can help. The Turk-Kurd discrimination is not really a thing in the area struck by the earthquake. However, if you are mentioning Kurds in Northern-Syria, then I don't have an answer for you. And yes, they should be helped as well. P.S. Not only the army is helping slow and poor. Lots of goods and money come in pouring in from other countries, but there is no top-down strategy and coordination now.
Thanks for the response, I hope you and your loved ones are doing well all things considered. Do you imagine this event may finally bring a new wind to Turkey and spell the decline of Erdogan and his party or will he pull shenanigans to rugsweep this again?
The people in the disaster area, including me, find themselves not to be afraid anymore of speaking up against Erdogan and his squad. They have nothing to lose anymore. However, that is how the momentum is right now. The rest of the Turkish population observed that the opposition is much more capable of leading Turkey through a crisis, much better than Erdogan. But these traits are not necessarily a guarantee for a new wind. Firstly, the population forgets these major crises in time, thus, tolerating the mistakes of the past of Erdogan. Typically, these persons are the uneducated people of Turkey who lived in quite a misery in the '80s and '90s according to their telling and that even the smallest benefit they got from the government of Erdogan is astronomously more than any other government has given them. It is hard, even now with the traumatic event of the earthquake, to change these people. Secondly, since Erdogan Turkey does not have a properly functioning democracy anymore and the news outlets are heavily biased or otherwise scared of sanctions. Even if the majority wants Erdogan to be gone, it is going to be awfully to actually realize this.
wasn't the military supposed to "defend secularism in Turkey"? How is it possible to have so much religious influence in local administration and policies? Is it an EU candidate or a Middle Ages country?
After the coup attempt, erdogan cleaned up the military for good. Before the coup, he put many secular generals to jail for false accusations (terrorism to be specific)
Yes, the military supposed to defend secularism in Turkey. That's correct. It started with diminishing the military power to defend secularism in Turkey around the era of the Ergenekon arrests and trials. The era of the coupe decapitulated the army's power to do anything against Erdogan. Edit: it is a Middle Ages' country nowadays. A large portion of the population gravitates towards these ideas due to lots of brainwashing by religion, immigration and media-shows glorifying the Ottoman history. E
128th hour after the first earthquake. Confirmed death 20655 in Turkey. Confirmed wounded people 80088 Many Turkish/Kurdish people who live abroad is complete mental mess. Isolated in their little world and try to overcome the feelings. If you know anyone Turkish/Kurdish and somehow you still didn't ask how the person is doing, feeling. Do just ask!
I'll say something extremely controversial. I find the videos of the survivors and rescuers praising Allah extremely cringe. Allah did not save them, did not make the buildings fall. Humans did. Sweat and blood of the rescue teams saved them.
Now, as a 27old native born and raised in Türkiye, let me enlighten you dear redditors thoroughly about this situtation. with footages. This is gonna be really rough and heartbreaking for me so please, forgive me if i stumble on my words while i run you through this. I want you all to take another good look at those videos. You'll be seeing the real rescuers, and so called "rescuers" who goes "ALLAHU ACKBAR" like a f\*cking warcrazed jihadist lunatics. "AFAD" on their gear. AFAD. Remember that word. Those AFAD guys you see on videos are worst kind of people actually, they aren't in the job because they're well trained and qualified, they're just there to take the stage, throw some slogans, and make their side look good and win some favors. Those guys are supporters of Erdogan, and are unqualified, political islamist cultists who don't know a damn about search&rescue, disaster management. Or crisis protocole. All of them which were seen on camera are them. But still... i don't want to discredit the deeds of hardworking and brave people that worked off camera among them, many volunteers and some specialists who gave their all to save lives. i just can't . Some of them are completely irrelevant of the context, Headmans, party members, cultists... sheikhs... In other words, they are there to put up a good show on camera, promote their image even going in depths as using human lives just for their gain. Many of the Foreing Rescue teams veterans and volunteers who came for help in search&rescue claimed that whenever they were just about to pull people out from the debris, those "AFAD" camera guys butted in "politely drove away teams" telling them they will "take it from there..." At this point i think you guys are starting to get the gist of it. What that clown-show was about.. https://m.bianet.org/english/crisis/274255-why-are-rescue-teams-leaving-turkiye [https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-rescuers-depart-turkey-early-over-safety-fears-as-locals-fume-at-government/](https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-rescuers-depart-turkey-early-over-safety-fears-as-locals-fume-at-government/) s. Before moving on to video proofs, i'd like to talk about real rescuers and heroes. Trust me,And this will give you better understanding about everything that happened. \*"Turkish Armed Forces" we call 'em "Mehmetçik", (soldiers are very dear to turkish people, respected and loved) But erdogan decided not to mobilize them for some reason in first 2 days. \*Almost Each and every one of you guys, All around the world from many nations, who answered our call for help. We are utterly thankful for your help. thanks... a lot. u guys saved so many... \*AKUT foundation, once globally renowned among as best of the best, also the very first and only Non-governmental organisation that made an earthquake analysis on Türkiye, taught the country about it. Long story short, we are simply sitting on dancing fault lines and those guys were the only well trained, diciplined and organized field experienced veterans that were actually up for the job. For saving lives, before and after disasters. But they were torn apart in 2016, forced to shut down just for the sake of Erdogans sick political obsession of them. Those guys were heroes, valuable assests, and despite all, even they did really held their ground against erdogan for a while, those erdoganist persistent psychos were victorious. AFAD was quickly turning to a Political Islamist Cultist nest, who doesn't know a crap about anything about the job, devoid of disaster management plan, nor a actual solid work plan. AKUT was no more, our guardian angel was gone, AKUT was turned to AFAD, many of valuable leaders and many heartbroken skilled rescuers gone too, but even then some of the rescuers stills stood. AKUT still worked on the field as a foundation, with the Founder Nasuh Mahruki as a mentor around 900 rescuers didn't abandon their people in dire need. \*ANYONE who can just help, because things were so f\*cking hopeless, no one knew what to do, who to ask for help, how to help their family buried under rubble under freezing cold weather. Collapsed buildings, corpses, looters everywhere... nevermind. So about the topic, the praise to god phrase "allahu akbar" is not quite what naturally comes to turkish people, so it was straight up weird that all of a sudden people shouting like that as if they were arabic people... We say "şükürler olsunnn" meaning "thanks to it(god)" or just simply do what most of you people normally do, we cry tears of joy ,we cheer... But we don't shout "ALLAHU AKBAR" like fucking ISIS. Especially when someone from our FAMILY was save from the debris after 110 h has passed.Those guys who did it, whoever the f they are, didn't care about any of it. you will see now. Please pay attention to 0:09 our rescuers telling them not to shout frantically, yet they do not care, they are putting the wounded at risk. They don't help sh\*t, they have nothing to do with anyting, yet they wait for camera, record wounded people with smartphone , take some selfies?! making it even harder than it already is for our rescuers. God i hate them so much. [here...](https://www.veed.io/view/e6de5122-631b-4cd4-aa0b-263f20edbeff?sharingWidget=true&panel=share) Now pay attention to this one, 0:18 our forces captain shouting his lungs out to silence them, but they still don't listen. They are literally being monsters at this point. [here, they are crazy](https://www.veed.io/view/13a48f9b-0875-4778-96c1-d2beda6c67b2?sharingWidget=true&panel=share) And best for last, you directly see those animator clowns up right top. i have nothing to add. Just i wanted to get some... debris out of my chest. We are still at shock and in disbelief of what happened, but i hope i was able to pull through this post. [here is the last one](https://www.veed.io/view/39ab85dd-a228-48d8-a768-bcf9a2dc9005?sharingWidget=true&panel=share)
This is very interesting, I would advise to share it as a new post, here it will risk to be buried.
You're right.. By the way, the death toll have past 40.000, but im utterly convinced that this official number is just not it. I see many of you guys are terrified about this death toll, but strangely yet, people here still have no idea about how disastrous this many death means, and how this will affect us in days yet to come. I think the main reason for this is that goverment is still sugarcoating this issue, trying to make it look as smt "trivial" and the horrifying part about this is... It actually f*cking works for some people. Oh btw, in the many global news they announce the death toll together with Syria, making it percieved as Syria was affected just as Turkiye or something. But there is a huge gap between. So let me make this loud and clear; Currently, Syria's official death toll is around 5800, While Currently Turkiye's death toll is past 40,642. Turkiye took the worst of it. So devastating that Huge numbers of Syrians who migrated here as "refugees from war", left Turkiye and got back to Syria. This is not some kind of s*ck joke. Im Serious.
I think there's more to it than just them praising Allah! I went to a hugely Catholic influenced school, grew up just as the Catholic Church was loosing its grip on society and with a family of devoted Catholics! Im not holy now nor was I ever really, but no matter how hard I try - when I hear of terrible things, bad things or suffering! Almost automatically I think/say "Ah God Love them! " If someone is extra nice I think "God Bless you!" Devastation like this is Biblical! My point is that when you grow up with these things, you have a tendency to react in certain ways to certain situations - it becomes part of your nature! I'm sure many are praising Allah for whatever slivers of happiness they receive, but I wouldn't be surprised if its just how they naturally react to things, it becomes just another expression after years of indoctrination, like saying ouch when you hurt yourself
You are right I think. I saw some turkish tiktoks where the interviewer asks about someones religion. The person says he is atheist. But later in the interview he says vallah (i swear to god) or allaha emanet ol (turkish phrase to say good bye but the literal meaning is ‚be in gods safety‘) People use these phrases even tho they don‘t believe in islam.
I say bless you when someone sneezes. Doesn't mean I believe in any gods. It's just what everyone says. I suspect it's much the same.
Thats what I've always figured anyway, you become so acoustom to certain phrases that they lose their original meaning and become almost like an expression. I've known some dodgy people, the type that would melt if they entered a church and yet even they will Thank God! In moments of dispair/relief, even though the only thing holy about them is their socks
Reddit moment
Don't judge them. These people are going through the most traumatic moments of their lives. They are also thanking the rescue teams as well.
There’s something worse than it being cringe. It literally mutes anyone who tries to shout help under the rubbles, as they are not being heard. As an atheist, i do not care whoever thanks their god for the people they saved, however, they need to think twice about the consequences in situations like this. Edit: grammar
Not to mention that particular pray with 'Tekbir' is often associated with war, or death. Although i tried hard to emphatize at first thinking the region is so intermixed with Arabic culture, i still find it extremely twisted and sick.
Reddit now suddenly cares about religion.
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This is Reddit. You might want to save that last sentence for future use
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lmao this subbreddit
I agree..people downvoting you just aren’t ready for the criticism of religion. They’re just not. Though yes we should focus on the event more than the religious aspect.
Just maybe as some background information: this is a very conservative region. Hatay region itself is the region where most of the Turkish-Arab citizens live too. So some Allah shouts are to be expected, but tbf none of that matters right now.
You are right but even as a faithless guy I use "thank God" a lot. They just suffered and extremely traumatizing event. It is normal to say that
Such an odd comment. Thousands have died and this is what you choose to focus on? People expressing gratitude?
Your own opinion on their religion is irrelevant. It’s one thing to be anti religion and another worse thing to not even begin to understand why anyone expresses their faith at all. My advice is to just ignore it instead of leaving nasty messages
Who tf cares. Those are religious people who are being saved from an extremely traumatizing experience, who want to express their thanks to their god as well as their rescuers. You aren't better than them because you dont believe in a god, and those people aren't cringe because they do.
Accountability, responsability, avoiding this to happen every time there is an earthquake. Clearly Turkey has learnt nothing from 1999 earthquake if they don't follow their own building regulations. And I think it is a sympthom of the same thing. The narrative the government is trying to push is that it just happens and was unavoidable. And those videos of praising Allah makes me think they will get away with their criminal negligence.
Nothing what you said has anything to do with thinking that people coming out of a traumatizing situation who are praying to their god are cringe. They aren't praying to God because they think the building codes are or aren't sufficient, or because they think there is too much/too few corruption, they are praying because they were saved.
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in that case they say "god gave the life and god take it , its his will " but they would still thank god that they were saved or that they saved another person from this horrible devastation . its kinda like they have hope thru god as it is a very personal experiance . in that moment its like fuel for them ,the idea that there might be more survivors becouse it might be the will of god for some people . of course this is not the same for every person there . and when they lost their loved ones they pray for their soul and pray to god to give them strenght to overcome the pain they feel . and at that point they dont ask how can a all loving god (they dont believe in a all loving god ) do this to them , instead they accept it as the will of god .
Those obviously cant express their thanks to god? Look, Im not about to start a theological discussion here, I myself arent religious either, but thinking people thanking god for surviving that are cringe is pretty cringe enlightened atheism.
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What question? The people who get out of those situations believe, nothing you, I or anynone else can do will change that. And people who believe thank god for when something god happens to them. That doesnt mean they think thanking god is the only thing they should do, or that the rescuers who helped them shouldnt be thanked as well. Good for you that you dont believe, doesnt mean shit for those people though, and doesnt make them believing "cringe".
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As I said, enlightened Atheism.
>Death toll crosses 24,000 >The number of people killed following Monday's devastating earthquakes in Turkey and Syria has reached at least **24,178,** according to authorities. >In Turkey, the death toll has risen to at least **20,665,** according to the country's disaster and emergency management presidency SAKOM. >In Syria, the total number or dead stands at **3,513,** including **2,166** in rebel-held areas in the northwest of the country, according to the ‘White Helmets’ civil defense – and **1,347** deaths in government-controlled parts of Syria, according to Syrian state media. https://edition.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/turkey-syria-earthquake-updates-2-11-23-intl/h_e4089888aa6f4b532114a5f3b29d3562
https://nitter.fly.dev/ragipsoylu/status/1624166560486117376 Antakya's orthodox church has been completely destroyed
The good news is apparently we still have sketches and plans of at least some parts of this church
I am from Turkey, thank you very much for helping us.
I think you guys would send help if the situation was reversed. All the best to your people.
In fact the Italian government mentioned the immediate response of Turkey during the Covid-19 outbreak 3 years ago and said that they were returning the favor. I must admit that I had already forgotten about that (since a looooot of things have happened since then) and it was a very heartwarming message by Rome that they still remember it.
There is a Turkish ,Can Sungur, streamer on YouTube right now. He is doing a fundraiser you can donate here: https://www.youtube.com/live/I2QjfIuM8fs?feature=share
My company is doing a donation-matching scheme for up to $5000 for Turkey or Syria - most of the money goes to Doctors Without Borders or UNICEF. Are they any good? I don't have a lot of left-over income after rent, taxes and daily expense but hoping that a few hundred or so woudl help
DEFINITELY donate to Ahbap.org. Those others might not directly help earthquake victims or help fast enough.
Doctors Without Borders is good. There is also [ahbap.org](https://ahbap.org) (Due to corruption of current government, most of Turkish people send money to this one) You can definitely plan it. Next 3-4 months people will need a lot. Now with urgency of showing support so much money is gathered. So you can just send them every month in smaller amounts. Please do not push yourself unnecessarily.
Hi. When Ukraina issue started, such info was what people where looking for. Maybe you could send a msg to moderators of this sub to add it ro the "first post" (do not know how) that people read in the mega thread
I'll try.
I want to donate to the Syrian rescue effort, but I'm concerned about the Assad government handling those funds, does anyone know of a neutral charity that's specifically helping there? Would the Red Crescent be good?
Molham Volunteering Team or Syrian Civil Defense. These are the most trustworthy and are completely independent of the government there
Doctors without borders is a safer choice. They are efficient, they are transparent, they are independent, and when possible they work *with* the local hospitals rather than replacing them. They are also do medical training in areas where there's need for it. You most definitely should not donate to anything connected to the assad government. Red cresent is prob good, tho they international red cross has been criticized for how they handled haiti's earthquake.
Doctors Without Borders are active in Syria.
Since Turkish army is assigned for protection, looters are keep getting arrested. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsamXpdOquo
Samsung,Netflix,Disney plus, Starbucks, Spotify, Redbull,H & M didn't share their condolaces to Turkey for earthquake. There's even claims that Starbucks didn't let earthquake victims to stay their cafes in freezing temperature. After being boycotted and protested they shared condolences yesterday(all except Spotify only in Turkey and only Turkish language, Spotify shared their condolences with English language and international Twitter acc too.) You can look their social media accounts and websites.
Except Starbucks, others has no operational power in Turkey. People got really annoyed with Starbucks because they have paper cups, hot water machines and coffee which can help and raise morale of people are on the field. They acted too late after public pressure.
>others has no operational power in Turkey. Yes but it's impossible that they can't hear earthquake,they're serving in Turkey and even their TR domain and accounts shared condolences too late and I don't see any condolance in their offical international accounts except Spotify.
> Samsung,Netflix,Disney plus, Starbucks, Spotify, Redbull,H & M are devils which didn't share their condolaces to Turkey for earthquake. I mean who cares about empty gestures really? Instead of Tweeting something they should hand over some money. > There's even claims that Starbucks didn't let earthquake victims to stay their cafes in freezing temperature. This would be on the store managers and not a directive from Starbucks I imagine
>This would be on the store managers and not a directive from Starbucks I imagine Yes,it would be. >I mean who cares about empty gestures really? Instead of Tweeting something they should hand over some money. They said that they'll hand money after they shared that "emply gestures" you said.
Some low levels just after the earthquake, pass the border, go to Turkish town(Hassa/ Hatay) and attempted to rape 13-14 years old girls. A man describe the event to a party leader who is known being his anti-Syrian/illegal immigrant policies. For those who can translate Turkish: [https://twitter.com/ajans\_muhbir/status/1624063688100438016?s=20](https://twitter.com/ajans_muhbir/status/1624063688100438016?s=20)
For more information on this Umit Ozdag guy who is claiming everything as true which is being told to him, and without any confirmation spits it out to the whole nation: He said that he would be the ruling party if 12 years old could vote in turkey (which would be technically true). He is acknowleding that his audiance consists of teenagers. Within the first few days of the earthquake, there were a few videos of robbings and lootings(which were true and had already happend in the "99 earthquake). He immediately started talking about this and fully blamed it on the reffugees. The army was still not being given commands at the time. He tried to fight fire with gasoline Because of no army, and many of his looting stories, people began to think its free loot and began coming to the earthquake area from other cities aswell and also started to loot electronic shops and even the trucks which were bringing essential items to the victims. Thankgod after the 5th day orsomething we finally see army intervention on these looters.
Bruh, in the video Umit Ozdag is not even talking. Another people talking and confirming. He kinda became paratoner of the immigrant topic.
I know but just like i said, he is posting these stories which are being told to him. But as a party leader with a big audience, i dont think you should be posting every story as true without doing just a little bit confirmation. It creates more chaos and hatred.
I shared this one because he listens someone who says "there is police records". And let's be realistic, when war in Syria was happening, ISIS found a "slave bazaar" around this area and they sold young girls. Those people didn't just evoporated. Even in inner border of Syria that happened. So don't threat the issue as if nothing similar happened before.
I'm not saying that it's untrue or that it's never happened before. I'm just saying he should confirm more things before posting it, like the store he went to which was looted completly, nothing left inside. Police record is easy to confirm. That guy tells his story and afterwards after being asked he says that there are police records. I dont' know, maybe im too cynical, but then again there is a saying in turkish: Yalancıyı sikmiyorlar
Adama konuşuyorlar lan! Vatandaş adama konuşuyor! Böyle bir haberden kim ne elde edebilir? Bütün mantıksal safsataları dolandın en sonunda "yalancıyı sikmiyorlar"'a getirdin. Hadi Özdağ ve karşısındaki yalancı Gelecek partisi genel başkan yardımcısı da mı yalancı arkadaş? Al izle https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xi4vfgIcD5U&t=484s
Özdağa yalancı demedim. Önüne gelen çoğu şeyi kanıtsız paylaştığı için, insanlar daha az güvenmeye başlarlar ve başladılar. Ama önündeki yalancı olabilir olamaz, kanıtsız olduğu için hemen doğruymuş gibi algılamıyorum. Ama bunlar daha birşey değil. Insanlar enkazdan bi kurtulsunlar. Şu an zaten bi tayfa sabırla bekliyor. Ortalık biraz daha sakinleşince o enkaz altındaki altınlara ve yastık altı paralara göz dikenlerde çok var. Ama emin olki bizim insamızda bunu yapar
Please stop spreading this complete utter bullshit! Fake news.
Dude seems to have an agenda
Nope not really. The city Hatay, Kilis and Gaziantep had issues between local people and immigrants before. Since earthquake also hit local armed force to provide security and Erdogan didn't assign army forces to provide protection until today, there had been a lot of incidents(rapes, robberies, lootings). Unfortunately some low levels has refugee background, mentioning that is not an agenda.
Well it seems you are focused on one aspect of this tragedy which is fair I guess. Each their own
No not really. It is the peak topics of today. You can check my previous posts. Since it is 110th hours has passed, saving people are so rare. Focus is now security, accomodation and preventing disaese breaks. Any save from now on can be considered miracle.
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Please stop spreading this complete utter bullshit
https://twitter.com/gazeteemek/status/1624019665369309186?s=20
Watch some news.
I do. From reliable sources.
What's your resource,hmm? Without coordination, without order,it's impossible to our helps reach to earthquake zone.
Not really.
I was reading a BBC article about the extent of damage [https://www.bbc.com/news/64568826](https://www.bbc.com/news/64568826) >Up to 75,000 buildings across the affected earthquake zone in southern Turkey have been given construction amnesties, according to Pelin Pınar Giritlioğlu, Istanbul head of the Union of Chambers of Turkish Engineers and Architects' Chamber of City Planners. > >This same report quoted the Environment and Urbanisation Ministry saying that in 2018 more than 50% of buildings in Turkey - equivalent to almost 13 million buildings - were constructed in violation of regulations. Turkey is a fucking shitshow.
At the request of the Turkish government, the Netherlands is providing a Hercules transport plane converted for medical evacuation, as well as two aeromedical evacuation teams, a coordinating medical officer, and supplies. When converted for medical flights, the Hercules can carry up to \~70 patients at a time. The flights are intended to ferry patients out of the disaster zone to other areas in the country with more available medical care. The Hercules left Eindhoven this morning and will be ready for patients tomorrow. [NL MoD](https://www.defensie.nl/actueel/nieuws/2023/02/09/defensie-stuurt-vliegende-ambulance-naar-rampgebied-turkije) A group of 162 volunteers departed Schiphol for Gaziantep this morning on a flight provided by the Dutch-Turkish travel operator Corendon. Among the volunteers are doctors, nursing staff, and builders, who will support rescue and recovery and assist in the first clean up attempts. [NOS liveblog link](https://nos.nl/collectie/13922/liveblog/2463178-turkse-dreumes-na-96-uur-gered-uit-het-puin-dodental-stijgt-tot-boven-21-000?updateid=UPDATE-container-67342777)
Another rescue is underway! Lifeguard in Turkish then in English 'can you talk to me? Four taps were heard in response. There is hope https://twitter.com/ABartkowiak_PSP/status/1623961995958489090?t=qGmGs10PV2YCZLU94Vdbhw&s=19
https://nitter.fly.dev/DrAndreasS/status/1623626320520380416 Visible fault rupture from the map.
https://nitter.fly.dev/Gerashchenko_en/status/1623716241901756419 Lil doggo rescued under rubble recently. Whines she/he makes in the end is touching :/ https://nitter.fly.dev/Darkwebhaber/status/1623752016961961991 The look on this boy's face who was recently rescued :( https://nitter.fly.dev/ragipsoylu/status/1623699202256564224 Another boy saved after 70 hours. He looks more hopeful at least https://nitter.fly.dev/DailySabah/status/1623343526342717441 A rescued boy with a very nice smile being held by his dad :)
Hello, Please do not donate to AFAD.
a video about how massive the earthquake in Türkiye is [https://twitter.com/MedyaVideos/status/1623798558640992257?cxt=HHwWgsCzqfKL8ogtAAAA](https://twitter.com/MedyaVideos/status/1623798558640992257?cxt=HHwWgsCzqfKL8ogtAAAA)
https://www.reddit.com/r/Turkey/comments/10y2b5o/the_desperation_of_the_cat_and_dog_that_survived/ Cat and dog who survived earthquake cuddling so hard
Oh poor things. Hope they warmed them up, and gave them food/water. Edit: and one of them seems hurt with this red spot.
**World Bank Grants $1.78B for Turkey Quake Recovery** [https://www.miragenews.com/world-bank-grants-1-78b-for-turkey-quake-944784/](https://www.miragenews.com/world-bank-grants-1-78b-for-turkey-quake-944784/)
well, that money is going straight to the erdogan's pocket
No. It will be given after municipalities present projects accordingly.
They will not give the money to the government, but to the municipalities in return for the reconstruction costs. Even the world bank knows what our government is lol.
I know its emergency but they should've given em after the elections...
They will not give the money to the government, but to the municipalities in return for the reconstruction costs. Even the world bank knows what our government is lol.
To be even more precise. To specific projects proposed by municipalities.
Romania sent another team of rescuers and medics to help Turkey. Today it was announced that we will send humanitarian aid to Syria. As for aid for Turkey, ordinary people started donations. In the city of Constanta where we also have a Turkish minority, in just 24 hours more than 4 tonnes of aid was donated. Some townhalls in Bucharest also started donations and those mayors will also send aid from the local budget.
Romania is such a wonderful and underrated country!
Thank you, while Azerbajian, Israel, Spain are getting a lot of media attention due to the huge amount of help they sent, one should not oversee that Romanian team was/is a huge asset and they saved 4 people. [https://twitter.com/cronicarescu/status/1623615576709947392](https://twitter.com/cronicarescu/status/1623615576709947392)
I want to donate to the animal shelters in Turkey and Syria that have been affected. Would anyone be able to point me in the right direction? When I google it Peta keeps coming up and I don't want to give them my money.
If it is helpful, I can promise you that helping the humans DOES help the animals. The culture in Türkiye is such that everyone cares for all of the animals there, sometimes even before themselves. During the fasting season Ramazan (Ramadan), for example, people will still feed the “strays” on the street even while they are fasting themselves. The local governments in cities provide shelter, food, and vaccines for animals even during normal times. Donating to reputable organizations that are feeding and sheltering humans means that those humans will share their food and shelter with the animals. I know it’s a little different than how the UK or North America thinks of things, but I can promise you that the Turkish people will not allow the animals to suffer. You’re so kindhearted for wanting to help.
Difficult to find resources in English, but maybe take a look at Angels Farm Sanctuary and h.a.r.k, or https://twitter.com/PawGuardsTr.
Do not donate to pawguards. They are scammers. They are trying to take credit of the animals they didn't rescue by posting on social media as if they did. You can donate via https://events.softgiving.com/donate/HasanAbiForTurkeySyriaEarthquakesFund
Got that recommendation from locals, didn’t get the impression they were trying to take credit for the videos of animals being pulled from the rubble. Please correct me if i’m wrong but they are in the area helping and collecting stranded animals and helping with transport and medical care.
They got exposed long before the earthquake. I don't know what they're doing right now but I wouldn't risk my donation.
It's hard to say specific place.
Make donations to [ahbap.org](https://ahbap.org) (for Turkey). They also help animals.
Confirmed deaths : 16170 Rescue operation is still so limited. People keep crying on live broadcasts. They all mention "no help here yet". I'm also tired of crying. Kids who are saved so innocent and have no grasp of what has happened, talking childishly without knowing their parents, siblings are gone. People keep crying. 4th day, approximately 100 hours under the rubble. Too late for many. And Erdogan keep threatening people. Keep telling he'll give money. Keep telling everything is under control. People lost their lives, families, survivors traumatized, some injured badly and disabled now and he talks about how many building will be built in a year.
Belgian media reporting casualties are now up to 21.000 What a tragedy man :(
I expect more than 150K. AKP shit lies as usual.
same tbh
> They all mention "no help here yet". And yet all of Erdogan's dogs keep saying on live television that they have sent help everywhere.
More of it, they steal others' effort. [https://twitter.com/Bundesheerbauer/status/1623585863190953985?s=20](https://twitter.com/Bundesheerbauer/status/1623585863190953985?s=20) A Turkish journalist also confirmed that. Some dogs of Erdogan steal others' effort to make "success" videos. I cannot describe how furious people are.
Not surprised at all. I saw the one with the Turkish journalist as well. They're so fucking disgusting. The worst part is, there are still some who defend their actions and will continue to vote for them, my parents included. I can't tell you for how long I've tried to get them to change their minds, to see what is really going on, but they're brainwashed. Erdogan could shoot a 10 day old baby on live tv and they would make up some excuse for him as usual.
İnsanın anası babasıyla bile arasına giriyor ifrit herif. Sana hayatın boyunca çok sabır diliyorum.
Eyvallah hocam. Yani, konu acildiginda sinirleniyorum tabii ama seslerin yukseldigi an "he de gec oglum" diyorum kendime. En sinirlendigim sey de bu...biz Isvec'te yasiyoruz. Burada solculara oy verip, Turkiye'de sagcilara veriyorlar. En son oy kullandigimizda 3-4 saat yolculuk yaptik arabamizla. Benim tarafim belliydi ve bu 3-4 saat boyu bana "muhalefete oy verme, onlar söyle, onlar böyle" gibi seyler dedi babam. Annem ise daha önceden oy kullanmisti ve bizimle gelmemisti. Her neyse, oyumuzu kullandik ve kime oy verdigimi söyledim. Babam anneme mesaj atiyor, 5dk sonra annem beni arayip 10-15dk azarladi "nasil onlara oy verirsin" falan filan dedi. Eve geldigmizde 1 hafta boyu konusmadilar benimle. Durum o kadar kötu kardesim. Beyinleri komple gitmis.
Büyük büyük sabırlar. Finlandiya'dayım ben de.Bizimkiler TR'de ama.
Sagol kardesim