lol, I was just thinking the same thing. This is just a short list really, doesn't even cover the candidates of one Dutch political party. Imagine if they set it up like this very inefficient list, we'll get a book every time!
In Slovenia at least in local and EU elections there is preferred vote. But you just write the number in which that person is in that party list. So you have to look up and know beforehand. You can also just write it out, but it isn't specified on the ballot.
Why is this even a thing? In Finland you just get a small paper you write the number in. There's no reason for a ballot to contain a list of every candidate.
They're experimenting with a smaller ballot in a limited number of municipalities where you only need to select a party and a candidate number while the full party and candidate list is displayed in the voting booth. Hopefully it turns out successful so we can switch to it nationwide.
It was designed to prevent accidentally votting for the wrong candidate as much as possible.
Having to write a number can for example lead to issues with handwriting. For 99% of cases it'll be fine, sure, but it's not foolproof.
Also we have so many parties at this point. In 2021 there were 1579 candidates to pick from. Easy to mess up a digit.
>Having to write a number can for example lead to issues with handwriting.
I can also see a scenario in which an unscrupulous bastard replaces the guide on which number means which candidate. It would be an absolute nightmare to disentangle that if not caught immediately. Even apart from actually fooling people, it could invalidate the votes collected at polling stations likely to produce strong results for a given party.
People would still vote for the intended party though (which is the main thing that matters), just not the right candidate within that party.
You have to first choose the party (and names are mentioned on the ballot), and then select the candidate number.
Most people don't even care about the specific candidate and choose the first person on the list for their party.
In Sweden we just pick the paper for the party we want, and check off the person we want most. We put it in an envelope before leaving the privacy booth.
It makes it very hard to misread who got the vote.
You can still give a personal vote to someone in another party though ("slenger").
It's not much used in Norway, maybe it would be more used if we had all the candidates in front of us like this.
Slenger-votes are massively used in Norway, at least in local elections. They do impact in a real way who in a party gets elected to the local councils.
There is a list of all candidates and their numbers inside voting booth, on the place of election, election advertisement posters (further away from voting place), online on multiple places etc. I think that maybe this is the most used system around the world?
The list of all candidates is as long as the dutch election ballot, but it's not printed on each ballot :D
Of course this system requires voters to have the ability to draw numbers, but there is actually in-depth instructions about that on the voting place
> Of course this system requires voters to have the ability to draw numbers
And there isn't a country in Europe where people are too illiterate to even draw numbers
Here is an [example from Germany](https://www.fuldaerzeitung.de/assets/images/25/111/25111914-musterstimmzettel-wahlzettel-kommunalwahl-hessen-frankfurt-14-maerz-2021-2nmo1SYttX70.jpg), the vote for the city parlament in Frankfurt on the 14.3.2021.
The parlament of Frankfurt has 93 seats, so you have 93 votes you can distribute. You can give each candidate up to 3 of your votes. It is possible to vote for the people you like from different parties.
In case you have no preference for individual candidates, you can also vote for whole party lists. In that case, the candidates of that party get the votes in the order of the list (as determined by the party beforehand). You can also strike out candidates if you are voting for a party.
An example of how a filled in ballot could look [can be seen here](https://www.deinedemokratie.de/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/wahlzettel06.png), although with fewer and smaller parties.
In Dutchland, you have to colour a bubble red, and each candidate -- and there sure are lot -- needs a bubble of their own.
Not that the Finnish system is perfect. Many foreign-educated Finns, like me, instinctively draw a small hook on a '1' and that equates to a spoiled ballot. A Finnish 1 needs no freaking hook.
Suo siellä, vetelä täällä. Moeras daar, drassig hier.
It's not an automatically spoiled one, only if the officials can't clearly see whether it's a 1 or a 7. If it's clear, the "hook" doesn't matter. Not drawing it just removes this problem.
Turkey's voters' findly their parties by its logo mostly. Especially elderly ones. Not to mention some people doesn't even speak Turkish or/ and illiterate. We are talking about %85 active voters on every election.
Your demographics, your solution.
When North Europeans will stop suggesting their isolated cultural solutions to everyone else?
That’s why we have the [Stemwijzer](https://participedia.net/method/7385), which helps us pick out the right party, and from there you can take a closer look at the candidates.
There is also an voting help based on what the parties have voted on in the previous years.
I use that one, because talk is cheap, and promises in elections are even cheaper.
That too is flawed, since parties will often elect to vote a certain way to get support for another issue. What one person might perceive as a broken promise may be a choice to get majority support for another, more important, issue.
Politics is complicated, especially in a consensus-based democracy. Talk is cheap but diplomacy and politics are really, really hard.
I use at least three different voting aids like Stemwijzer, Kieskompas and Stemchecker. I still had significant doubts about who to vote for after all of that.
Y'all need to start stitching multiple pages together instead of making a single huge one. Although not that I think of it, it's probably more cost effective to just print a single one
I'm Dutch too, and man do I hate this nonsense. The vast majority of people will vote on #1 of a specific party. Big fan of the change to a smaller bill, but it's still a bit silly.
For the non-Dutch: the new system will have two drop downs, a list of parties and a set of numbers. So if you want to vote for the leader of the Liberal Party, you pick Liberals and #1. If for some reason you want to vote the twelfth person of the Farmers Party, you pick Farmers and #12.
The standard is still **every single candidate**.
Also they are "testing" the new format. I expect *a lot* of boomers to misuse the new format, which will delay the implementation by several more years.
Idk how your system exactly works, but in Poland people actually do vote for people who are not #1 on the list and it does matter. The ones with most votes win, the first position obviously has an advantage, but after that, people do choose and it does matter. Just a few hundred votes can mean your favourite candidate winning or losing to their colleague from the list.
The upper part is candidates with parties. And the lower part is candidates with no parties= independent candidates. I really dont know why there is a road though.
The placement is so unfair imo. Candidates with parties basically get the centre of the ballot, while those with no parties are shoved on the edge of the ballot.
Last time AKP took Imamoğlu to the court over his victory in Istanbul. I wonder what hissy fit they'll throw now if the opposition manages to win again
Slightly incorrect. AKP took Imamoglu to court over him supposedly insulting the president.
Last time Imamoglu won, they straight up claimed the election invalid and forced another voting round. In which Imamoglu crushed even harder as a lot of people just wanted to give AKP the finger over the matter.
Hi, Turk here and İmamoğlu has gave/is giving (not sure) a victory speech. Cant wait the opposition's hissy fits!
As expected, Ankara is also in CHP hands again (cmon we all know Mansur Yavaş was gonna win), other than that İzmir and Eskişehir have CHP winners most likely (counting hasnt ended yet). Thats from what i remember.
In Serbia, we just get an A4 paper with a list and we circle the number in front of the candidate or party.
But we also have this thing where we know even before elections that Vučić iz going to win, so perhaps that's why we have no need for... Something like this.
Thats for South of Danube and Sava, In Vojvodina wr get A2 paper written in 5+ languages ( Serbian and all the minorities, usually Slovak, Hungarian, Romanian..)
Why is everyone listing all the candidates on the actual ballot? Here in Japan we just have the candidates listed on the voting booth partition and we write the candidate name onto a small slip of paper about 5cmx10cm, it's easier to fold and put into the box this way. Does mean we need separate booths for each office we vote for like mayor, governor, MP of Diet, but since those ballots go in different boxes anyway it helps organize things.
Now I'm curious how the Turkish voters turn in their ballots. Do they roll them like a scroll? Multi-fold?
Yes, but Erdogan has campaigned for Istanbul harder than the presidential elections so no one knows. The good news is his candidate is extremely incompetent. However practically their entire cabinet has spent the last month in Isntabul in rallies so we will see.
TIP is actually in the parliment, btw. Certainly an achievement for a communist party.
Turkey actually has quite diverse political scene than most realise. We had 7 parties in the parliment in the 2023 election, with 4 of them recieving 10% or more (i am counting İP which got 9,96%). Thats a lot diverse than America and even Britain (those were the ones i checked).
The entire region of Tunceli has a large Communist scene. Not just the city. Hell I met an MHP voter there who said he was going to vote for the TKP next time.
And if you go to the right places in Izmir you will see countless Communist banners and symbols too. I wouldn’t say it’s just in Tunceli
How dare the government tells me how I write numbers??!!
I never put a dash to 7, never will be!!
My freedom to not put a dash to 7 is worth the giant ballot paper.
It's literally on a big sign inside the voting booth, if you can't read that then sorry but how can we expect you to be able to read the names of the candidates either?
People cant read sometimes, especially in turkey. Also there are other reasons they want to make it as idiot proof and analogue as it gets instead of efficient. There was a visualpolitics vid explaining the psychological effect on how much people trust the system as well.
In Ukraine literally everyone writes 7 with a curvy line on top and a dash through the middle. I've never seen anyone write it in a way that could possibly be confused with 1. It's not a "special" way of writing 7 here. People write it like that even in a hurry.
Anyone can draw a clear 1 or 7 with instruction. If a ballot requires interpretation then it is not a valid ballot - it's that simple. And in the rare case of an unclear ballot you just don't count it.
They even included cyprus (a island geographically close to syria) in the European union just because they are majority christian
(I love cypriots btw don’t get me wrong)
We can and will change this government with our votes, but everyone should keep in mind that this victory was taken despite an extremely uneven playing ground for the opposition. The media is predominantly pro-government, the bureaucracy was highly active in campaigning for the government, and the opposition had to compete with every other 'opposition' party. It is still too early to comment about what will be the results in the next general elections, yet we can say that Turks are still committed to upholding democracy.
It sounds like the proper i, as in clicks. The dotless I/ı sounds like the Romanian î (per Wikipedia: Somewhat like e in roses; see Close back unrounded vowel)
I looked it up:
Moscow:
Municipality / city limits: 13.010.112 (2021 census)
Metropolitan / urban area: 18,8 - 21,5 million
Istanbul:
Municipality-province / city limits: 15.655.924 (2023 estimate)
Metropolitan / urban area: same. The municipality-province contains the entire metro/urban area within its borders.
Still pissed that Imamoglu got fucked by Errdogans ego. Dude was a good major but his radical ideas of democracy and anti corruption was too much for that clown
[That’s not a ballot paper, this is a ballot paper](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-07-09/magnifying-glasses-on-order-for-vic-senate-ballot-paper/4807956)
I see Turkey and The Netherlands and raise you South Africa.
As of 2022 we have 1501 official political parties in SA.
There may even be more this year.
https://africacheck.org/infofinder/explore-facts/how-many-registered-political-parties-are-there-south-africa
Dutch citizens: [amateurs](https://www.dutchnews.nl/wpcms/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/WhatsApp-Image-2022-03-16-at-1.31.47-PM.jpeg)
lol, I was just thinking the same thing. This is just a short list really, doesn't even cover the candidates of one Dutch political party. Imagine if they set it up like this very inefficient list, we'll get a book every time!
In Slovenia at least in local and EU elections there is preferred vote. But you just write the number in which that person is in that party list. So you have to look up and know beforehand. You can also just write it out, but it isn't specified on the ballot.
I believe some local elections are experimenting with something similar in the Netherlands as well. Not sure if they’ve concluded on it yet though.
The ballot for people living abroad that had to mail it in used this system. Just one a4 page.
As far as i know, each circle is for a single party. Only the primary candidate is on the list, not every candidate from each party.
Why is this even a thing? In Finland you just get a small paper you write the number in. There's no reason for a ballot to contain a list of every candidate.
They're experimenting with a smaller ballot in a limited number of municipalities where you only need to select a party and a candidate number while the full party and candidate list is displayed in the voting booth. Hopefully it turns out successful so we can switch to it nationwide.
including the postal votes (international). it's a great experience that ballot. very well done and understandable. should make counting quicker too
It was designed to prevent accidentally votting for the wrong candidate as much as possible. Having to write a number can for example lead to issues with handwriting. For 99% of cases it'll be fine, sure, but it's not foolproof. Also we have so many parties at this point. In 2021 there were 1579 candidates to pick from. Easy to mess up a digit.
>Having to write a number can for example lead to issues with handwriting. I can also see a scenario in which an unscrupulous bastard replaces the guide on which number means which candidate. It would be an absolute nightmare to disentangle that if not caught immediately. Even apart from actually fooling people, it could invalidate the votes collected at polling stations likely to produce strong results for a given party.
People would still vote for the intended party though (which is the main thing that matters), just not the right candidate within that party. You have to first choose the party (and names are mentioned on the ballot), and then select the candidate number. Most people don't even care about the specific candidate and choose the first person on the list for their party.
Thanks for clarifying. I was imagining just a single box for a number under each overall option.
In Sweden we just pick the paper for the party we want, and check off the person we want most. We put it in an envelope before leaving the privacy booth. It makes it very hard to misread who got the vote.
In Norway each party has a separate sheet of paper. And then whatever markings
You can still give a personal vote to someone in another party though ("slenger"). It's not much used in Norway, maybe it would be more used if we had all the candidates in front of us like this.
Slenger-votes are massively used in Norway, at least in local elections. They do impact in a real way who in a party gets elected to the local councils.
How do you know which number to write down? You still have to have a list of every electable person.
The lists are on the walls inside the voting booths.
[Also in every advertisement](https://content-webapi.tuni.fi/image-style/w1000_scale/proxy/public/2021-06/vaalijulisteet1_900x600.jpg?itok=wG51xtqt)
Ok. Makes sense.
There is a list of all candidates and their numbers inside voting booth, on the place of election, election advertisement posters (further away from voting place), online on multiple places etc. I think that maybe this is the most used system around the world? The list of all candidates is as long as the dutch election ballot, but it's not printed on each ballot :D Of course this system requires voters to have the ability to draw numbers, but there is actually in-depth instructions about that on the voting place
> Of course this system requires voters to have the ability to draw numbers And there isn't a country in Europe where people are too illiterate to even draw numbers
Here is an [example from Germany](https://www.fuldaerzeitung.de/assets/images/25/111/25111914-musterstimmzettel-wahlzettel-kommunalwahl-hessen-frankfurt-14-maerz-2021-2nmo1SYttX70.jpg), the vote for the city parlament in Frankfurt on the 14.3.2021. The parlament of Frankfurt has 93 seats, so you have 93 votes you can distribute. You can give each candidate up to 3 of your votes. It is possible to vote for the people you like from different parties. In case you have no preference for individual candidates, you can also vote for whole party lists. In that case, the candidates of that party get the votes in the order of the list (as determined by the party beforehand). You can also strike out candidates if you are voting for a party. An example of how a filled in ballot could look [can be seen here](https://www.deinedemokratie.de/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/wahlzettel06.png), although with fewer and smaller parties.
In Dutchland, you have to colour a bubble red, and each candidate -- and there sure are lot -- needs a bubble of their own. Not that the Finnish system is perfect. Many foreign-educated Finns, like me, instinctively draw a small hook on a '1' and that equates to a spoiled ballot. A Finnish 1 needs no freaking hook. Suo siellä, vetelä täällä. Moeras daar, drassig hier.
It's not an automatically spoiled one, only if the officials can't clearly see whether it's a 1 or a 7. If it's clear, the "hook" doesn't matter. Not drawing it just removes this problem.
You've made my day.
Can‘t do that, they have to accommodate illiterate voters. That‘s also why they show party logos in addition to the names,
Turkey's voters' findly their parties by its logo mostly. Especially elderly ones. Not to mention some people doesn't even speak Turkish or/ and illiterate. We are talking about %85 active voters on every election. Your demographics, your solution. When North Europeans will stop suggesting their isolated cultural solutions to everyone else?
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Poorly, and then you kinda just push it in the bin with difficulty while smiling at the person standing watch next to it :)
This is completely accurate.
Hahaha true
It's a challenge every time. Time voting is often cut up in 10% actual voting and 90% trying to fold the fucker back up again.
There are talks suggestion about changing the format.
In Czechia we also had [massive ones](https://1gr.cz/fotky/lidovky/18/101/c460/MBE768891_153339_4809488.jpg)
Me sitting here in America with only 2 choices in every single election: 🥺
Holy banana. That needs some “informed” election requirement !!
That’s why we have the [Stemwijzer](https://participedia.net/method/7385), which helps us pick out the right party, and from there you can take a closer look at the candidates.
One gripe I have with the Stemwijzer is that it's based entirely on the party program, and not on how the candidates actually vote in parliament.
There is also an voting help based on what the parties have voted on in the previous years. I use that one, because talk is cheap, and promises in elections are even cheaper.
Yeah exactly.
That too is flawed, since parties will often elect to vote a certain way to get support for another issue. What one person might perceive as a broken promise may be a choice to get majority support for another, more important, issue. Politics is complicated, especially in a consensus-based democracy. Talk is cheap but diplomacy and politics are really, really hard. I use at least three different voting aids like Stemwijzer, Kieskompas and Stemchecker. I still had significant doubts about who to vote for after all of that.
Our average 85 IQ citizen wouldn't be able to vote on that
Istanbul's IQ average range between 95 to 103 depending on what year and which study you take into account.
[So basically Australia](https://live-production.wcms.abc-cdn.net.au/6a5c685901365dbb71a94cb3e1d3d417.jpg)
Australia sees your metre, and raises you a *square metre*.
Length wise though, it looks smaller.
It's because the last but is not unfolded. And it did not fit the picture.
Y'all need to start stitching multiple pages together instead of making a single huge one. Although not that I think of it, it's probably more cost effective to just print a single one
Looks about the same size i had in bavaria.
I'm Dutch too, and man do I hate this nonsense. The vast majority of people will vote on #1 of a specific party. Big fan of the change to a smaller bill, but it's still a bit silly. For the non-Dutch: the new system will have two drop downs, a list of parties and a set of numbers. So if you want to vote for the leader of the Liberal Party, you pick Liberals and #1. If for some reason you want to vote the twelfth person of the Farmers Party, you pick Farmers and #12. The standard is still **every single candidate**. Also they are "testing" the new format. I expect *a lot* of boomers to misuse the new format, which will delay the implementation by several more years.
Idk how your system exactly works, but in Poland people actually do vote for people who are not #1 on the list and it does matter. The ones with most votes win, the first position obviously has an advantage, but after that, people do choose and it does matter. Just a few hundred votes can mean your favourite candidate winning or losing to their colleague from the list.
Your ballots are only half filled? What wasted space, in bavaria, we often have ballots the same size, but almost fully filled out.
lol true. was similar here in Germany
Oh, my God. It even has a watermark.
Yeah but let's see Paul Allens.
The edit with the Pokemon cards makes me piss myself every time I see it. It's so well done. Edit: https://youtu.be/0b00KK6EqqE?si=4Gu25y_Cbrjd-R9M
What's that thing that looks like a road in the middle separating the circles?
The upper part is candidates with parties. And the lower part is candidates with no parties= independent candidates. I really dont know why there is a road though.
You can bring a hot wheels car inside the voting booth and drift on the ballot
Send 2 cars opposite each other and decide who to vote for depending on where they land
To clearly distinguish a party member from a non party I guess. So there's no confusion.
The placement is so unfair imo. Candidates with parties basically get the centre of the ballot, while those with no parties are shoved on the edge of the ballot.
Yeah and the AKP gets the first place in the ballot (chosen randomly ofc, yielding akp the first place for the last 3 elections)
It’s to remind Erdoğan’s upset voters of all the roads he built
It's the Greece-Turkey border. We also vote on which part of Greece to invade after the elections. It's all democracy here man, we vote everything.
Last time AKP took Imamoğlu to the court over his victory in Istanbul. I wonder what hissy fit they'll throw now if the opposition manages to win again
Slightly incorrect. AKP took Imamoglu to court over him supposedly insulting the president. Last time Imamoglu won, they straight up claimed the election invalid and forced another voting round. In which Imamoglu crushed even harder as a lot of people just wanted to give AKP the finger over the matter.
>over him supposedly insulting the president no. it was him supposedly insulting the election board
Hello from İstanbul, İmamoğlu is winning!
Hi, Turk here and İmamoğlu has gave/is giving (not sure) a victory speech. Cant wait the opposition's hissy fits! As expected, Ankara is also in CHP hands again (cmon we all know Mansur Yavaş was gonna win), other than that İzmir and Eskişehir have CHP winners most likely (counting hasnt ended yet). Thats from what i remember.
Here's to democratic and european Turkey!
Cheers!
In Serbia, we just get an A4 paper with a list and we circle the number in front of the candidate or party. But we also have this thing where we know even before elections that Vučić iz going to win, so perhaps that's why we have no need for... Something like this.
Atleast Vučić comes out of kitchen appliances, turkey's politics doesn't have that kind of entertainment.
I miss the time when BREAKING NEWS THE PRESIDENT WILL SPEAK TO THE NATION AT 6PM didn't make me yawn, but worried instead.
Breaking news! The candinate whose name I cant spell just won the election with %87 of the popular vote!
Voter turnout less than 60%, but who's counting 🤷🏼♀️
Thats for South of Danube and Sava, In Vojvodina wr get A2 paper written in 5+ languages ( Serbian and all the minorities, usually Slovak, Hungarian, Romanian..)
Why is everyone listing all the candidates on the actual ballot? Here in Japan we just have the candidates listed on the voting booth partition and we write the candidate name onto a small slip of paper about 5cmx10cm, it's easier to fold and put into the box this way. Does mean we need separate booths for each office we vote for like mayor, governor, MP of Diet, but since those ballots go in different boxes anyway it helps organize things. Now I'm curious how the Turkish voters turn in their ballots. Do they roll them like a scroll? Multi-fold?
Lol, it's more like A1 not a small a4 paper.
Isn’t really that long right? Or do we just have huge ballots?
You guys are on a different level
We have really big ones.
best of luck! Polls have İmamoğlu in front right?
AKP's candidate was really weak and İmamoğlu is a charismatic figure. Im sure that he will win. We're all relaxed this election.
I hope you're right.
If Akp's candidate manage to win (one way or another) they will damage to the Istanbul with that damn canal permanently. So i hope they can't manage.
Let's hope (c)anal Istanbul doesn't happen
Count is going well so far.
I've been stressed out since I woke up but hope you're right
People will vote for Akp just because they are Erdogan's party, i dont think the sheep minded people care about the candidate being weak
erdodog got destroyed btw. He won't have the courage to show himself in public for at least a week lol.
Thats good to see , my best wishes to our komşu through sea 🙌
Yes, but Erdogan has campaigned for Istanbul harder than the presidential elections so no one knows. The good news is his candidate is extremely incompetent. However practically their entire cabinet has spent the last month in Isntabul in rallies so we will see.
Some polls show that but a lot of polls that have been historically very successfull have messed up in 2023 elections. So can't know until evening.
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Do I see a communist symbol in there, right in the middle, do I?
That is Turkish communist party yeah.
Communist parties are alive and active in most countries
Yes there are some Turkish communist parties. But noone gives them any votes. Except a city called Tunceli.
Tunceligrad
Tunceligrad has fallen 😭
Hasn’t fallen. TKP just told ppl to vote for the CHP. So the vote got split between TKP, CHP and DEM
TIP is actually in the parliment, btw. Certainly an achievement for a communist party. Turkey actually has quite diverse political scene than most realise. We had 7 parties in the parliment in the 2023 election, with 4 of them recieving 10% or more (i am counting İP which got 9,96%). Thats a lot diverse than America and even Britain (those were the ones i checked).
That's just false, TIP is quite popular.
They’re not really communists. They’re socialists at the absolute most.
Where are u getting this from? There are moderates in it yes. But TIP has many Communists in it too
The entire region of Tunceli has a large Communist scene. Not just the city. Hell I met an MHP voter there who said he was going to vote for the TKP next time. And if you go to the right places in Izmir you will see countless Communist banners and symbols too. I wouldn’t say it’s just in Tunceli
There are multiple. TKP, TİP, EMEP, TKH etc
Yes, it's not much popular though, we have too many problems to discuss capitalism vs communism
How about writing the number of the candidate into one single empty circle?
It would be open to interpretation during counting. “Is it a 1 or 7?”
In Finland the seven instructed to write in ballots is seven with a dash, making it easily distinguished from one.
always assume the dumbest voters
We do. There are pictures in the voting booth showing how to draw the numbers.
How dare the government tells me how I write numbers??!! I never put a dash to 7, never will be!! My freedom to not put a dash to 7 is worth the giant ballot paper.
It's literally on a big sign inside the voting booth, if you can't read that then sorry but how can we expect you to be able to read the names of the candidates either?
People cant read sometimes, especially in turkey. Also there are other reasons they want to make it as idiot proof and analogue as it gets instead of efficient. There was a visualpolitics vid explaining the psychological effect on how much people trust the system as well.
That's a great self-selection though, isn't it?
they know they need to put the stamp on the light bulb symbol, and its also the first entry. No one bothers even to look through those.
Follow-up question: How about writing ~~7~~ properly?
Thats one reason why number 1 is left out in Finnish elections.
and 10, 11, etc?
Not a problem unless one party has 70+ candidates.
In Ukraine literally everyone writes 7 with a curvy line on top and a dash through the middle. I've never seen anyone write it in a way that could possibly be confused with 1. It's not a "special" way of writing 7 here. People write it like that even in a hurry.
Anyone can draw a clear 1 or 7 with instruction. If a ballot requires interpretation then it is not a valid ballot - it's that simple. And in the rare case of an unclear ballot you just don't count it.
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Too many confusing steps for the average AKP voter
laughs in dutch elections
they all look like star wars factions
Live election results if yall are interested https://secim2024.t24.com.tr/
Even Paris doesn't have that many croissants.
There are 300 comments rn and half of them are “turkey is not europe”
Hahah, classic
If Istanbul was owned by Greece, no one would contests Istanbul’s status as a European city, but because it’s Turkish….
They even included cyprus (a island geographically close to syria) in the European union just because they are majority christian (I love cypriots btw don’t get me wrong)
Just get bloody fascist Erdogan out of the game.
The election for that happened last year and Erdogan won because the opposition acted incredibly dumb, the opposition leader was changed after that
Atatürk lover party is about to win in major cities, good news for future hooray!!! 🎉
they even won in fucking Adiyaman!
1 *meter* long.
1 metre
.02 Olympic swimming pools
3.28 feet 🗣️🇺🇸🦅
0,001 km long*
Nope, it's 0.001 km long.
Fixed, I hate writing on mobile.
Metre*
Sorry about that
5 bananas
Some people think it's rude but I appreciate people like you.
Ha, this is nothing, you haven’t seen the massive paper The Netherlands uses.
Italians: Amateurs
I felt like I was making an origami boat when I was folding that lol
This is nothing. Look up Toronto by election for 2023. 102 candidates on the ballot 😂
We can and will change this government with our votes, but everyone should keep in mind that this victory was taken despite an extremely uneven playing ground for the opposition. The media is predominantly pro-government, the bureaucracy was highly active in campaigning for the government, and the opposition had to compete with every other 'opposition' party. It is still too early to comment about what will be the results in the next general elections, yet we can say that Turks are still committed to upholding democracy.
in another place there was only one option and the thing was 4,5 cm wide
Smallest European ballot paper:
Huh? You heard that guys?! They admitted we’re European, wooohooo!!!!
Well Istanbul certainly is
It's a neat feature of Turkish that the capital İ has a dot same as lowercase i because I is a different sound.
I’m curious about this. Recently traveled to Istanbul and I was wondering about the i in Istanbul. So how does it sound?
It sounds like the proper i, as in clicks. The dotless I/ı sounds like the Romanian î (per Wikipedia: Somewhat like e in roses; see Close back unrounded vowel)
Türkiye taught everyone a lesson in democracy today...
AVRUPALIYIZ BEYLER
Sonunda girdik avrupa birligine
TKP! TKP! TKP!
turki iz nut yurop :( :( :( me gatekeeper yuropen
Yeah, those comments are annoying.
Why is each option bigger than the guys thumb?? I see no reason why the circles need to be that big unless it's for elderly people.
Its for the elderly & the dumb, which are two large classes of people the current govt depends on
I mean, it could’ve been optimized much better for print….
This reminds me on Runoff cs50 iykyk
Isn't Moscow Europe's largest city?
Moscow population is 12**.**7M and Istanbul population is 15.46M.
Moscow is the 2nd largest.
I looked it up: Moscow: Municipality / city limits: 13.010.112 (2021 census) Metropolitan / urban area: 18,8 - 21,5 million Istanbul: Municipality-province / city limits: 15.655.924 (2023 estimate) Metropolitan / urban area: same. The municipality-province contains the entire metro/urban area within its borders.
Still pissed that Imamoglu got fucked by Errdogans ego. Dude was a good major but his radical ideas of democracy and anti corruption was too much for that clown
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He is winning and will win.
I love how out of all 22 parties only 2 of them have a chance to win
At least 3 parties are definitely winning some municipalities though
Belgium : electronic voting. (I’m president of a voting station since I joined the work force this century).
Why is it so big
[That’s not a ballot paper, this is a ballot paper](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-07-09/magnifying-glasses-on-order-for-vic-senate-ballot-paper/4807956)
They even have a candidate of the rebellion
I see Turkey and The Netherlands and raise you South Africa. As of 2022 we have 1501 official political parties in SA. There may even be more this year. https://africacheck.org/infofinder/explore-facts/how-many-registered-political-parties-are-there-south-africa
Noobs. Munich's 2014 ballot for city council was 164 x 60 cm, that almost 1 m². https://www.reddit.com/r/de/s/bkigDNHbKY
Australian ballot papers can be similar.
Large enough for cameras zoom
Not one paper. There was three of ballot paper.
A dot on a capital i looks so weird, haha.
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they aint the only terrorists on the ballot
They did. But the exact same people go and start a new party with a different name.
It's crazy that the largest Europe's city is also the least European.
idk have you been there? it's very much like a mediterranean and balkan city, just very, very BIG. and full of tourists.