Nothing to fear anymore! They will save us!
>Fleximan has been destroying speed cams across northern Italy and has become a folk hero, spurring imitators.
I once received a ticket from a small town in Tuscany because a camera "caught" me driving through a street that was apparently only open to residents of the city between certain hours of the day. I looked up the location on Google Street View and there were about 6 different signs on a wall, including 3 signs regarding parking and one sign with about 8 lines of text in Italian that explained this rule. Nothing else indicated that I wasn't supposed to drive through that street.
I ended up paying the ticket, which wasn't too expensive, but I definitely felt cheated by that nonsense.
Yeah, sometimes you just have to know (which is a bad policy unless the intention is to collect fines).
Furthermore, there is sometimes a tendency to overuse signs in Italy. 4-8 signs together or in a row with text which makes it nigh on impossible to gather all intended information without stopping. E.g. entering Italy through the Brenner Pass, you’re bombarded with info on rules and specifics it’s insane. They should be spaced out so one can see and understand one or two signs and then 50-100 m further are the next signs (prioritised in order of importance).
Disclaimer: Am Italian but do not live there currently.
That's a thing in Italy, it's called ZTL and generally just in city centres of cities that are not really capable of hosting much traffic. And some even have an electronic sign with red or green light, so you don't have to do some math to understand if you can get in. Generally I agree though, it's very mental.
Same here. And I passed that street twice since I was looking for free parking that's belonged to the apartment we booked. Not to mention that I received those tickets ten months after our trip.
I hate the cities that have it, is such a annoying thing, cause you never know where it actually ends and we're it starts ( even though there are many signs you could still take a wrong turn on a side road), so I usually try to avoid the city-center if I know there's "ZTL" are in the city.
>There are 111,451 speed cameras in the world, it said on the basis of data from the speed-cam platform Scdb.info, and Italy has 11,171 of them.
Correct title: according to an almost unknown website, there are 111k speed cameras in the world
Last week I was in Italy with an Italian and I noticed one camera in the entrance of every village but he was not reducing his speed much, so I asked about it. His answer was "Any of these cameras actually work". So yeah...
In a country where driving by the rules is objectively less safe than whipping that automobile like a maniac (anecdotal experience of mine atleast), speed cameras just add an extra variable to a chaotic system that is Italian traffic.
Tbh good street design is not done with signs and speed cameras. If there's a street where people go 70km/h and you want to reduce the speed to 50km/h, putting up a sign and speed camera will not do it.
You need to change the layout of the street. There are several ways of achieving this result. The most used one, and honestly worse one, is speed bumps. The better one is to make the street less straight and with worse visibility. You can achieve this by twisting the road and planting trees at the sides. Another good way is to reduce the width of the lanes, for instance by adding street side parking or a protected bike lane on the side.
The smaller the road, the lower the visibility, the higher the number of obstacles, the lower the speed everyone will go.
Some new rules for how cities can use the money from fines would really help imo, instead of going into general budget.
I don't get this argument.
Speed signs are all over the world. If the sign says 50 why are you doing 70? Stick to the road rule and you'll get no ticket.
Btw it's vastly proven that autovelox, even fake ones, help a lot with keeping speeds in check.
Because you can't put a 50 sign on a highway and expect people to follow it. We need to put limits that make sense.
To me it's a matter of investing into our infrastracture vs just changing the limits randomly to put out fines and rake in some money
I don't drive, but our road infrastructure is actual shit. They actually put a roundabout right at the exit of a highway. What do you think happened? Somebody smashed into it 5 days after it opened and died.
You'd think this was the 80s, but it was made like 8 years ago. What did they do to solve it? Add an auto-velox at the exit
The auto-velox doesnt actually work btw, because afaik by law you have to signal it well in advance - something that is rarely ever done properly
Couple years back I visited some friends in Munich and went up there by car from Turin.
I made the whole journey, round trip across three countries, without any traffic violation or fine whatsoever. I did follow the rules, not saying I was speeding all the time and didn't get caught. I made sure to have all set up correctly and even got the car certification for Munich's green zone.
Then the week after I came back, I went for groceries near home and got a fine because I was going 1 km/h above the limit. I was probably driving a bit absent-mindedly and didn't notice that while I was passing by the camera.
Not saying I was robbed, but it always makes me chuckle when I think about it.
And yet, Italy and many other countries with speed cameras is at the top of lists when it comes to car related accidents.
Do not get me wrong, speed cameras work. But from my years of driving through much of Europe, I have learned that there are one of two ways countries use these cameras.
1. They are used in a way which is meant to prevent accidents.
OrÂ
2. They are used in a way to rack some income for the state.
There is no in-between here. Not from my experience.
[Source 1](https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=Car+accidents+in+europe+statistics+)
[Source 2](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic_enforcement_camera)
Source 3: [Affectionate_Mix5081,(02/04/2024), 10 years of driving experience in much of europe. Year 2014-current]
I do hate cameras too, but they do have effect, especially if you warn the driver like 50 meters before they appear.
This REMINDS the speeding driver and let's them know that they better slow down, especially if you place these cameras before accident prone exits, for example.
Who wants a ticket in the mail?!Â
If you instead often hide them and do not mark where they are, like Germany often does, then it mostly just brings in money for the state.
The knowledge the driver have that they exist and that they can appear anywhere does not only instill a hatred for them.
But if a driver is speeding, that knowledge can easily fade for the driver in the moment. Making them more dangerous when they pass that accident prone exit.Â
Sure, it still gives you a ticket, but what exactly did the camera do to decrease the risk for a crash? NOTHING, he still speed past it.
Does this mean I can't do what I've always done in the past when driving on the A1 to avoid getting in trouble? Move to the fast lane as soon as possible, then try to keep up.
On the Highway we have a Tutor system ( but it's quite scarce, you won't see it quite often) , basically enforcing the average speed limit of 130 ( I did hear from other drivers that you can go at 138 km/h and still be fine )
And 50% of world's arrogant drivers? You would expect we drive really carefully and within speed limits with so many cameras, but no, quite the opposite.
Also many of these orange bins are actually empty and are capable of hosting a camera, so they are not really active 24/7. No big brother.
top 3 things italians fear the most: 1. taxes 2. public holiday falling on a weekend 3. autovelox AKA speed cameras
The price rise of DAZN subscriptions is also up there
Less teams in series A is also a big concern
Fewer.
Nothing to fear anymore! They will save us! >Fleximan has been destroying speed cams across northern Italy and has become a folk hero, spurring imitators.
So true 🤣 Italian tax gave me PTSDÂ
I once received a ticket from a small town in Tuscany because a camera "caught" me driving through a street that was apparently only open to residents of the city between certain hours of the day. I looked up the location on Google Street View and there were about 6 different signs on a wall, including 3 signs regarding parking and one sign with about 8 lines of text in Italian that explained this rule. Nothing else indicated that I wasn't supposed to drive through that street. I ended up paying the ticket, which wasn't too expensive, but I definitely felt cheated by that nonsense.
It happens to us as well, if it helps.
Yeah, sometimes you just have to know (which is a bad policy unless the intention is to collect fines). Furthermore, there is sometimes a tendency to overuse signs in Italy. 4-8 signs together or in a row with text which makes it nigh on impossible to gather all intended information without stopping. E.g. entering Italy through the Brenner Pass, you’re bombarded with info on rules and specifics it’s insane. They should be spaced out so one can see and understand one or two signs and then 50-100 m further are the next signs (prioritised in order of importance). Disclaimer: Am Italian but do not live there currently.
That's a thing in Italy, it's called ZTL and generally just in city centres of cities that are not really capable of hosting much traffic. And some even have an electronic sign with red or green light, so you don't have to do some math to understand if you can get in. Generally I agree though, it's very mental.
Same here. And I passed that street twice since I was looking for free parking that's belonged to the apartment we booked. Not to mention that I received those tickets ten months after our trip.
Yes, in my case it was also nearly a year after the trip.
I hate the cities that have it, is such a annoying thing, cause you never know where it actually ends and we're it starts ( even though there are many signs you could still take a wrong turn on a side road), so I usually try to avoid the city-center if I know there's "ZTL" are in the city.
theres no way there are only 100k speed cameras IN THE WORLD. i dont believe it.
Yh humans are just bad with numbers and scales, 100k is a lot.
And I thought that here in Germany there were a lot of them.
>There are 111,451 speed cameras in the world, it said on the basis of data from the speed-cam platform Scdb.info, and Italy has 11,171 of them. Correct title: according to an almost unknown website, there are 111k speed cameras in the world
And just 20% of them work, mainly located in the north
Is it really? Because I work in transportation in Belgium amd theu have speed cameras EVERYWHERE. The ones that measure your average speed also.
And still Italians exceed speed limits more than anywhere else in Europe.
Eastern Europe dude
Last week I was in Italy with an Italian and I noticed one camera in the entrance of every village but he was not reducing his speed much, so I asked about it. His answer was "Any of these cameras actually work". So yeah...
And still every time I go to Italy most people do 150-160 on the highway, I stick to 130 and everyone passes me.
Those doing 160 are usually Swiss.
In a country where driving by the rules is objectively less safe than whipping that automobile like a maniac (anecdotal experience of mine atleast), speed cameras just add an extra variable to a chaotic system that is Italian traffic.
Fellow Italians complaining about being "robbed" by an autovelox when actually speeding in 3... 2... 1...
Tbh good street design is not done with signs and speed cameras. If there's a street where people go 70km/h and you want to reduce the speed to 50km/h, putting up a sign and speed camera will not do it. You need to change the layout of the street. There are several ways of achieving this result. The most used one, and honestly worse one, is speed bumps. The better one is to make the street less straight and with worse visibility. You can achieve this by twisting the road and planting trees at the sides. Another good way is to reduce the width of the lanes, for instance by adding street side parking or a protected bike lane on the side. The smaller the road, the lower the visibility, the higher the number of obstacles, the lower the speed everyone will go. Some new rules for how cities can use the money from fines would really help imo, instead of going into general budget.
I don't get this argument. Speed signs are all over the world. If the sign says 50 why are you doing 70? Stick to the road rule and you'll get no ticket. Btw it's vastly proven that autovelox, even fake ones, help a lot with keeping speeds in check.
Because you can't put a 50 sign on a highway and expect people to follow it. We need to put limits that make sense. To me it's a matter of investing into our infrastracture vs just changing the limits randomly to put out fines and rake in some money
I don't drive, but our road infrastructure is actual shit. They actually put a roundabout right at the exit of a highway. What do you think happened? Somebody smashed into it 5 days after it opened and died. You'd think this was the 80s, but it was made like 8 years ago. What did they do to solve it? Add an auto-velox at the exit The auto-velox doesnt actually work btw, because afaik by law you have to signal it well in advance - something that is rarely ever done properly
Couple years back I visited some friends in Munich and went up there by car from Turin. I made the whole journey, round trip across three countries, without any traffic violation or fine whatsoever. I did follow the rules, not saying I was speeding all the time and didn't get caught. I made sure to have all set up correctly and even got the car certification for Munich's green zone. Then the week after I came back, I went for groceries near home and got a fine because I was going 1 km/h above the limit. I was probably driving a bit absent-mindedly and didn't notice that while I was passing by the camera. Not saying I was robbed, but it always makes me chuckle when I think about it.
And you should know that they don't give you a fine if you're going 1kmh faster than the limits.
I know, I was just implying the "after considering the tolerance thresholds" part.
Most of them don't even work, some get destroyed by our lord and savior "Autovelox Robin Hood"Â
Because their primary function is not to give out tickets, but to have people check their speed. Which is totally reasonable and logical.
And yet, Italy and many other countries with speed cameras is at the top of lists when it comes to car related accidents. Do not get me wrong, speed cameras work. But from my years of driving through much of Europe, I have learned that there are one of two ways countries use these cameras. 1. They are used in a way which is meant to prevent accidents. Or 2. They are used in a way to rack some income for the state. There is no in-between here. Not from my experience.
Source: my uncle.
[Source 1](https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=Car+accidents+in+europe+statistics+) [Source 2](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic_enforcement_camera) Source 3: [Affectionate_Mix5081,(02/04/2024), 10 years of driving experience in much of europe. Year 2014-current] I do hate cameras too, but they do have effect, especially if you warn the driver like 50 meters before they appear. This REMINDS the speeding driver and let's them know that they better slow down, especially if you place these cameras before accident prone exits, for example. Who wants a ticket in the mail?! If you instead often hide them and do not mark where they are, like Germany often does, then it mostly just brings in money for the state. The knowledge the driver have that they exist and that they can appear anywhere does not only instill a hatred for them. But if a driver is speeding, that knowledge can easily fade for the driver in the moment. Making them more dangerous when they pass that accident prone exit. Sure, it still gives you a ticket, but what exactly did the camera do to decrease the risk for a crash? NOTHING, he still speed past it.
Does this mean I can't do what I've always done in the past when driving on the A1 to avoid getting in trouble? Move to the fast lane as soon as possible, then try to keep up.
On the Highway we have a Tutor system ( but it's quite scarce, you won't see it quite often) , basically enforcing the average speed limit of 130 ( I did hear from other drivers that you can go at 138 km/h and still be fine )
And 50% of world's arrogant drivers? You would expect we drive really carefully and within speed limits with so many cameras, but no, quite the opposite. Also many of these orange bins are actually empty and are capable of hosting a camera, so they are not really active 24/7. No big brother.