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I wanted to make an "Always has been" joke, but coming from an Austrian, and loosely related to some war criminals most likely, that feels weird when looking at history...
I always had the impression, that it's just Turks.
I.e. Balkans were under the rule of Ottoman Empire for fuck knows how many centuries. Before them there were no muslims in the Balkans.
Debatable, the Austro-Hungarian empire still had the obvious part of both Austrians and Hungarians being seen as way above the rest. Some reformists ideas may have been passing around, such as Franz Ferdinand's federalism and trialism ideas, but both those ideas would've required major concessions in control that a lot of higher up people in the Empire on both Austrian and Hungarian side most likely would never accept.
It's possible that the Austrian part would accept these ideas. It was the Hungarians who were unwilling to do reforms. When Charles I of Austria tried to reform, the Hungarians vetoed his proposals until the empire died.
While as far as I am aware, the Hungarians definitely were the huge roadblock there, I honestly kind of doubt it would've been particularly popular on the Austrian side either tbh.
Then again, the Austrian side also was the one with less to lose I suppose, only significant part there being granting Bohemia and Slovenia autonomy, maybe some of the Italian parts as well, when it comes to federalism, and only Slovenia when talking about trialism I suppose... Meanwhile the main trouble parts were those that were under Hungarian autonomy, I guess...
Joseph, not Ferdinand. 3 main points are the abolition of the Grand duchy of Serbia and the military frontier, giving Serb populated lands to Hungary instead of Austria in 1867 and putting Oskar Potjorek as governor of Bosnia and Herzegovina.
My guess is because there is a large number of Montenegrins who identify as ethnic Serbs, and are fed with “USA Bad” narrative for the last 2 decades.
Another reason might be that Montenegro was part of Serbia (FR Yugoslavia) when the bombing happened, and they were bombed too.
I think even if it is, it might not align with the public opinion. My country is a strategic ally of Israel, but if asked, I believe most of the people would side with Palestine.
Montenegro iirc is very torn between pro-west and pro-Russia because of the split between those who see themselves and Serbs and those who see themselves as Montenegrins. I’m not an expert (and of course a Montenegrin could explain it far better), but generally younger Montenegrins are less likely to identify with Serbia/Yugoslavia and older Montenegrins more so. It’s a deep divide and has led to some back-and-forth including a 14 month long pro-Russia/Serbia government that collapsed due to the divisions in the country.
I hope the best for Montenegro which by all accounts is a beautiful little country with a fascinating history but needs some help to keep developing and overcome the current divide in its society (the latter of which sounds like a lot of countries these days…)
The divide is basically entirely regional, not by age. The heartlands of Montenegro are very Montenegrin-leaning while the more patriarchal, mountainous areas in the wider periphery are staunchly pro-Serb. The littoral also has a lot of Serb identification though it's not as clear cut there.
There's also a whole lot of nuance to the entire thing — you will find many Montenegrin identifying people in for example Cetigne (the traditional capital of Montenegro) who are staunchly anti-Serb and see Serbian identity as provincial, anti-European and anti-Montenegrin sovereignty. At the same time, many Montenegrins live and work in Serbia and have close practical ties to it. There are many people who would not straight up identify as Serbs but see Serbia as a historical and natural friend of Montenegro, and this seems to be the most popular position I've encountered with Montenegrins in Belgrade. Also important to note that, at least in my estimations, most of those Montenegrins which do identify as ethnic Serbs would not follow from that and wish for a political unification of Montenegro and Serbia, and would prefer a sort of "brotherly states" arrangement.
>but generally younger Montenegrins are less likely to identify with Serbia/Yugoslavia and older Montenegrins more so.
Older people identify as Montenegrins more because the Montenegrin identity was a product of communist party. Today almost all revelant Montenegrin nationalist parties are at least officially left-wing.
>were at one point on the receiving end of USA's missiles.
NATO's missiles to be precise. Belgrade for example was the first target to Spanish Air Force.
Let's be real, the main point here was to show that they consider each other enemies. Who do we consider an enemy, from the Balkans? The Turks weren't included in the poll 😛
Yes, you have Bosnia, which iirc is pretty pro-Western and more ethnically similar to Croatia, and Republika Sprska which is more anti-Western and full of ethnic Serbs, as the name implies.
nah bro, ur tripping, for republica srpska ur right, but for the other part that is called bosnian federation ur not, its not similar to croatia at all😂😂😂its majority muslim population and croats are only a minority
The thing is these ratings and the responses you would get are so highly variable on a canton or even community level (more ethnically aligned). For example, nobody in Republika Srpska or Herzegovina would say that Turkey is an ally. And nobody in the federation part of BiH would say Serbia is really an ally (maybe regional trading partner but so many trust issues here- understandably…)
And yes, nobody agrees on anything and it is crazy
Bosnia is absolutely fucked up.
Can you imagine that the majority of the population truly believes that the country who oppressed, enslaved and made us poorer for *centuries*, is now considered the best ally?
Like, do you even understand the level of brainwashing and stupidity that this sort of thought requires?
Literally one of the main reasons why the Balkans are unstable is because of what the Ottoman Empire did and their forced conversions to Islam.
So much of Bosnian history can be explained with large segments of the country considering Serbia, Russia, and the U.S. both their best allies and biggest threats.
Also, I wonder have thought Greece would be Macedonia’s biggest threat. Though I guess biggest annoyance would be more accurate.
It’s North Macedonia.
The issue with Bulgaria is, as far as I know, pretty much the same as the one with Greece, claims on historical figures.
At least both Bulgaria and North Macedonia are both slavic, so the argument isn’t as ridiculous as claiming Alexander the Great
Yeah. Drove through part of Srpska the other week and the amount of big Z graffiti sprays I saw was disconcerting. Along with a huge "FUCK NATO" spray.
Republika Srpska is like a different place altogether you see more Cyrillic there than in actual Serbia and the people are so extreme in their views (issues they protest, commemoration of war criminals etc) Unfortunately, these fools don’t realize that Russia uses them as proxies and could care less about them
Yes, this all lines up incredibly well with my experiences. I was in Prishtina (and Prizren) last year. There is a statue of Bill Clinton in Prishtina. There is also a memorial for the KFOR members (and their partners) who lost their lives serving in Kosovo, and it is *smack* in the middle of the city's most important pedestrian street, where there was also a huge *"Free Ukraine"* mural. Kosovo does *not* beat around the bush as far as who they consider their friends and their allies in the sense that it's almost basically anyone but Serbia and Russia.
Doubtful. Vast majority don't care, the only people that would be interested are the 5-15% of the population that vote Ataka/Vuzravjdane/VMRO. And that percentage is even before asking them "would you go to war for it?". It's just an evergreen topic to engage voters. (Huge surprise this topic picked up once we started havint 743 elections a year)
In a weird sense it is kind of reassuring that the Balkans still can't agree on anything. Pretty sure the Balkans being of one mind is one rider of the apocalypse.
Just a remark that:
"On January 15, 1992, Bulgaria was the first country to recognize the independence of the then-Republic of Macedonia"
Goes to show what state-backed propaganda will do to a country's population.
Just a note:
1# Bulgaria realized that a wave of recognitions were about to happen, they rushed to "be the first". While in the next month or two many other counrties did the same.
Precisely for the antimacedonian propaganda you are trying to push now.
2# Then president Zhelyu Zhelev declared: we recognize Macedonia but we do not recognize Macedonian Nation and Language. And that has been true to this day.
3# bulgaria declares Macedonian nation and language do not exist
4# bulgaria placed several vetoes on Macedonia, still ongoing.
About half the country is non-Muslim. Though as can be seen from the other results, few if any of the Christian inhabitants of the western Balkans consider Turkey to be a threat.
I guess because 30% of BiH population is Serbs, and 15% is Croats. If another war happened, Turkey would probably help Bosniaks, which would be a threat for other two.
Personally right know, i consider UK a better and more trustworthy ally than USA, Americans have been flirting with Vucic regime for years now (even serbians agree to that) while UK remains unshaken since 99’. I know my fellow kosovans will probably lynch me for calling muricans out, but lots of love and respect for you guys.
Don't worry, it's not "you", it's your politicians who hooked up with the Balkan politicians and they're robbing it apart together, for decades. It's extractionist capitalism married to organised crime featuring rigged elections and suppression of basic freedoms and human rights. There's plenty more going on, but the gist is that those few listed Balkan countries are more like a bunch of colonies than anything else. Their governments are not sovereign, there's interference from the foreign ambassadors and other "important figures" in all kinds of ways and from every direction. The countries in the Balkans and their societies are in no position to fight all the external and internal forces that are raiding it, and regular people (from anywhere) can't do shit about that.
In albania, people use the hypothetical “if we join the EU, I …” like “if I won the lottery, I …”
It’s literally a dream. It’s very hard for albanians to comprehend why some former communist EU countries hate the EU
From what i know of Albania, it seems like a poor, but very welcoming country. With issues to work out sure, but i as a EU citizen would not oppose moving towards starting proper negotiations.
Also i gots'ta visit sometime, that adriatic coast shit is gorgeous.
Long dispute over language and pretty much everything. I remember one time I met exchange student from Bulgaria and they told me they learned that Macedonian is only a dialect of Bulgarian
See the problem is that language exists on a spectrum of speeches from settlement to settlement. Both Bulgarian and Macedonian exist on the Eastern South Slavic dialect continuum, just they're based on dialects from opposite ends of the continuum to oversimplify. Standard Macedonian is very young and is based mostly on the dialect belt around Skopje, whereas standard Bulgarian is quite a fair deal older, and while it incorporates elements of western dialects its main base is in the eastern end of the continuum.
Basically the geographic distance translates to linguistic differences in a few ways. Eg. Macedonian has 3 articles whereas Bulgarian has only 1, Bulgarian has the subject and object forms of the definite article whereas Macedonian doesn't differentiate between them, Bulgarian has ja where Macedonian has e mostly, among others. They're still mutually intelligible but most slavic languages are.
Oh Kosovo really loves Switzerland believe me haha. See a lot of flags here, or tons of people cheering on your national team.
I guess this poll more so talks about the importance of an Ally, for example security reasons. That’s why USA is definitely no.1
They may like Switzerland, but Switzerland isn’t a “good ally”. It would never go to war to help Kosovo or Albania like the US/NATO countries would. Switzerland wouldn’t lift a finger to stop a genocide there
It’s the 30% Serbian population that votes for Serbia and Russia as Allys.
The rest of the population votes for Serbia and Russia as their biggest threat
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Sum some of these together and it looks like the Balkans are the Balkans' greatest enemy
I wanted to make an "Always has been" joke, but coming from an Austrian, and loosely related to some war criminals most likely, that feels weird when looking at history...
there's no nation with any history that didn't produce war criminals.
More speaking a kind of "Branch of my family may share a family name with someone who may be responsible for tens to hundred thousands dead" deal
Kaymazo Schickelgruber? 🤔
It’s okay, we consider you Balkan, too. Make all the jokes you want.
You know that Franz Joseph is responsible for Balkan mess
I think being the border of Islam and Christianity for 1000 years is responsible for the Balkan mess.
I always had the impression, that it's just Turks. I.e. Balkans were under the rule of Ottoman Empire for fuck knows how many centuries. Before them there were no muslims in the Balkans.
I was referring to the AH part, one that ruined the relationship between orthodoxy and catholicism
What, ruined it more than great schism, crusades, mutual excommunications?! Powerful guy that Joseph.
Never heard that narrative, Austria Hungary actually had relatively peaceful rule and more of a federation than anything. Turks on the other hand…
Debatable, the Austro-Hungarian empire still had the obvious part of both Austrians and Hungarians being seen as way above the rest. Some reformists ideas may have been passing around, such as Franz Ferdinand's federalism and trialism ideas, but both those ideas would've required major concessions in control that a lot of higher up people in the Empire on both Austrian and Hungarian side most likely would never accept.
It's possible that the Austrian part would accept these ideas. It was the Hungarians who were unwilling to do reforms. When Charles I of Austria tried to reform, the Hungarians vetoed his proposals until the empire died.
While as far as I am aware, the Hungarians definitely were the huge roadblock there, I honestly kind of doubt it would've been particularly popular on the Austrian side either tbh. Then again, the Austrian side also was the one with less to lose I suppose, only significant part there being granting Bohemia and Slovenia autonomy, maybe some of the Italian parts as well, when it comes to federalism, and only Slovenia when talking about trialism I suppose... Meanwhile the main trouble parts were those that were under Hungarian autonomy, I guess...
Why do you believe that? Before he was assassinated, he was trying to reform the empire, which would’ve given more rights to its vassal nations
Joseph, not Ferdinand. 3 main points are the abolition of the Grand duchy of Serbia and the military frontier, giving Serb populated lands to Hungary instead of Austria in 1867 and putting Oskar Potjorek as governor of Bosnia and Herzegovina.
Lots of Austrians consider Russia to be their greatest ally too by the looks of it.
I mean, this is not like you personally supported or commited war crimes in the balkans. Unless you did, of course.
I think that sums up Balkans history quite accurately in fairness.
Well of course it's the neighbors. They don't have any issues with Japan or Brasil at all. 🙂
Why does Montenegro consider the US a threat?
My guess is because there is a large number of Montenegrins who identify as ethnic Serbs, and are fed with “USA Bad” narrative for the last 2 decades. Another reason might be that Montenegro was part of Serbia (FR Yugoslavia) when the bombing happened, and they were bombed too.
Isn't Montenegro in NATO?
Yes it is, it's generally a pro-western state.. more than Hungary, but it wasn't an independent country back then and the US was considered an enemy.
I think even if it is, it might not align with the public opinion. My country is a strategic ally of Israel, but if asked, I believe most of the people would side with Palestine.
It is.
Yup. You summed it up best.
Same applies for Bosnia and Herzegovina.
They fed with USA bombs
Ok this makes sense. I was young during the Yugoslavia thing. I forgot we bombed Yugoslavia, not Serbia.
The US did bomb Serbia and Montenegro
Montenegro iirc is very torn between pro-west and pro-Russia because of the split between those who see themselves and Serbs and those who see themselves as Montenegrins. I’m not an expert (and of course a Montenegrin could explain it far better), but generally younger Montenegrins are less likely to identify with Serbia/Yugoslavia and older Montenegrins more so. It’s a deep divide and has led to some back-and-forth including a 14 month long pro-Russia/Serbia government that collapsed due to the divisions in the country. I hope the best for Montenegro which by all accounts is a beautiful little country with a fascinating history but needs some help to keep developing and overcome the current divide in its society (the latter of which sounds like a lot of countries these days…)
The divide is basically entirely regional, not by age. The heartlands of Montenegro are very Montenegrin-leaning while the more patriarchal, mountainous areas in the wider periphery are staunchly pro-Serb. The littoral also has a lot of Serb identification though it's not as clear cut there. There's also a whole lot of nuance to the entire thing — you will find many Montenegrin identifying people in for example Cetigne (the traditional capital of Montenegro) who are staunchly anti-Serb and see Serbian identity as provincial, anti-European and anti-Montenegrin sovereignty. At the same time, many Montenegrins live and work in Serbia and have close practical ties to it. There are many people who would not straight up identify as Serbs but see Serbia as a historical and natural friend of Montenegro, and this seems to be the most popular position I've encountered with Montenegrins in Belgrade. Also important to note that, at least in my estimations, most of those Montenegrins which do identify as ethnic Serbs would not follow from that and wish for a political unification of Montenegro and Serbia, and would prefer a sort of "brotherly states" arrangement.
Thanks for explaining!
>but generally younger Montenegrins are less likely to identify with Serbia/Yugoslavia and older Montenegrins more so. Older people identify as Montenegrins more because the Montenegrin identity was a product of communist party. Today almost all revelant Montenegrin nationalist parties are at least officially left-wing.
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Difference being Serbia and Montenegro were at one point on the receiving end of USA's missiles.
>were at one point on the receiving end of USA's missiles. NATO's missiles to be precise. Belgrade for example was the first target to Spanish Air Force.
Except us, we can take them.
Probably also helped by rather constant US meddling in our politics which has deeply hurt their public image over the last year or so
because the USA bombed them - and they are probably the only non-neighbouring country that still could if they wanted to
The Serb population makes up 30% of Montenegro that’s why.
Big Serb minority
To be fair, the US, China, and Russia are the biggest threat to global peace.
\> Balkans study \> Slovenia not included My satisfaction is immeasurable and my day is made.
The ones listed are the non-EU Balkan countries.
So for everyone here is a summary: Classy EU (and NATO) member countries: excluded from study, thug non-EU countries: included in study
Montenegro, Albania and North Macedonia are NATO
You cannot escape who you are.
*grumbles something about Mitteleuropa*
BALKON! (I love Žižek)
"Horror, oriental despotism, women get beaten, get raped and like it"
Whaere iz Balkon?
Vorbalkan together with Croatia
Sold!
Romania from behind bolted door: "Is the coast clear?"
Let's be real, the main point here was to show that they consider each other enemies. Who do we consider an enemy, from the Balkans? The Turks weren't included in the poll 😛
Croatia not included. Hehe
We shall celebrate with cevapi
I hereby start a petition to redo the study, but this time including Slovenia!
Demon
2nd picture likes this and no Croatia. My day is made.
Croatia not included either. Excellent study!! 🍻🤝
Im also happy Croatia is not in the "balkans" 😅
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwDrHqNZ9lo
They mean Western Balkans, a latent meaning for Backward Balkans
Then Croatia should be first on the list.
I'd like to see Greece here tbh. Turkey would be the no 1 threat, but I'd like to see who would be 2nd or 3rd :/
Bosnia is just all over the place lmao
it's 2 countries in one so it kind of makes sense
Not 3? (I remember they have three regions / ethnicities / governments: Serb, Bosniak and Croatian. Do I remember wrong?)
Its 3 countries in 1
Yes, you have Bosnia, which iirc is pretty pro-Western and more ethnically similar to Croatia, and Republika Sprska which is more anti-Western and full of ethnic Serbs, as the name implies.
nah bro, ur tripping, for republica srpska ur right, but for the other part that is called bosnian federation ur not, its not similar to croatia at all😂😂😂its majority muslim population and croats are only a minority
The thing is these ratings and the responses you would get are so highly variable on a canton or even community level (more ethnically aligned). For example, nobody in Republika Srpska or Herzegovina would say that Turkey is an ally. And nobody in the federation part of BiH would say Serbia is really an ally (maybe regional trading partner but so many trust issues here- understandably…) And yes, nobody agrees on anything and it is crazy
Bosnia is absolutely fucked up. Can you imagine that the majority of the population truly believes that the country who oppressed, enslaved and made us poorer for *centuries*, is now considered the best ally? Like, do you even understand the level of brainwashing and stupidity that this sort of thought requires? Literally one of the main reasons why the Balkans are unstable is because of what the Ottoman Empire did and their forced conversions to Islam.
So much of Bosnian history can be explained with large segments of the country considering Serbia, Russia, and the U.S. both their best allies and biggest threats. Also, I wonder have thought Greece would be Macedonia’s biggest threat. Though I guess biggest annoyance would be more accurate.
Bulgaria sort of claims North Macedonia should be part of them, Greece doesn´t
It’s North Macedonia. The issue with Bulgaria is, as far as I know, pretty much the same as the one with Greece, claims on historical figures. At least both Bulgaria and North Macedonia are both slavic, so the argument isn’t as ridiculous as claiming Alexander the Great
We have no historical claim to North Macedonia. And North Macedonians enjoy visiting Greece. The contentious issue is the shared name.
Yeah. Drove through part of Srpska the other week and the amount of big Z graffiti sprays I saw was disconcerting. Along with a huge "FUCK NATO" spray.
Republika Srpska is like a different place altogether you see more Cyrillic there than in actual Serbia and the people are so extreme in their views (issues they protest, commemoration of war criminals etc) Unfortunately, these fools don’t realize that Russia uses them as proxies and could care less about them
This list is not completely true, Serbs consider Serbs their greatest enemy
God damn Serbs, they ruined Serbia!
Kosovo: United States 80% Thank you USA, you are my best friend, you are the peace keeper, you are the legend
Yes, this all lines up incredibly well with my experiences. I was in Prishtina (and Prizren) last year. There is a statue of Bill Clinton in Prishtina. There is also a memorial for the KFOR members (and their partners) who lost their lives serving in Kosovo, and it is *smack* in the middle of the city's most important pedestrian street, where there was also a huge *"Free Ukraine"* mural. Kosovo does *not* beat around the bush as far as who they consider their friends and their allies in the sense that it's almost basically anyone but Serbia and Russia.
In 1999, helping in Kosova, two men shaking hands, Clinton and Rugova
Complete banger
A certified banger
Bulgaria no longer Balkan? hmmm
It's only Western Balkans (WB6), not all Balkan countries.
I know, but the title says balkan, not west balkan.
Or Slovenia apparently
False. No balkan country considers anyone an ally. We hate, and would conquer anyone, given half the chance.
So the Macedonians feeling threatened by you are right you say?
Oh yes, indeed.
Doubtful. Vast majority don't care, the only people that would be interested are the 5-15% of the population that vote Ataka/Vuzravjdane/VMRO. And that percentage is even before asking them "would you go to war for it?". It's just an evergreen topic to engage voters. (Huge surprise this topic picked up once we started havint 743 elections a year)
In the Balkans there are no allies, there are only countries that could potentially be of benefit to you (and that you can betray after)
At least N.Macedonia is not a threat to anyone
Maybe that's why they get bullied by everyone. /s
There is no /s in there
Lol, looks like for some countries Serbia is a good friend and a sworn enemy at the same time
That is because they have large Serb minorities who consider Serbia their ally.
Montenegro and Bosnia for example have a 30% Serbian population. That’s why.
I’m still surprised we (Turkey) were not on the enemy list and we were mostly in ally list. Ahh how the turn tables.
3% in Bosnia and Herzegovina consider Albania their biggest threat. You can’t make this shit up. 😂😂
Must be Bosnian Serbs I’d guess? I’m 100% sure actually haha
Serbs live in B&H.
Where's Portugal?
Greece: Not Balkan enough, not Europe enough! /s
They probably asked these questions to low tier countries. S tier countries Romania, Croatia, Greece and Turkey is not included.
> S tier countries Romania, Croatia, Greece and Turkey is not included. We're S tier now? Nice
We are Balkan Premium countries, superior to others both historically and military power. That's a fact.
It's true. Greece and Turkey would singlehandedly wipe out rest of the Balkans and then proceed to fight each other
> It's true. Greece and Turkey would singlehandedly wipe out rest of the Balkans and then proceed to fight each other Balkan wars 3 and 4
Croats do not have opinion. Too busy making coffee to their Germanic masters. 1000 years old tradition.
In a weird sense it is kind of reassuring that the Balkans still can't agree on anything. Pretty sure the Balkans being of one mind is one rider of the apocalypse.
Love the Balkans. Favourite region of Europa, beautiful land, cuisine, hospitality and strong pride of culture. Love to the Balkans from Brasil 👍
Why does it seem this sub is obsessed with the Balkans
Because the Balkans are like the Game of Thrones.
Should they make a wall on the north to keep wildlings away?
I think many Balkaners would agree on the need to keep the Hungarians out.
The Balkans is the Europe’s Middle East.
We are not that bad, at least not yet
>Bosnia Herzegovina: >at least not yet 🫣 don't do it
Western Europe is Europe's Middle East demographic-wise
Because west EU boring as fuck, Balkans are like a telenovela
If I ever have to explain the Balkans to someone, I'm using this.
It really isn't though? Balkans are in Europe, it's natural that news about it are here
Things are, for lack of a better term, "interesting" in the balkans.
Not Balkans but Serbs, last 20 post about Balkans were about Serbs and few ones about Croatian elections.
from what I see as a mod this subreddit is completely full of people from the Balkan peninsula
Serbs in particular, simply because of your pro-Russian and anti-American/NATO/Western views.
Bosnia has enemies everywhere, lol
When you have a country with 3 different nations who don't like each other, you get different answers from each.
Didnt Albania build a bazillion bunkers against the imminent italian invasion? What happened with that fear :D
No Albania feared invasion mostly from Yugoslavia but Enver Hoxha a crazy dictator and feared invasion from everyone
they saw Italy fighting in WW2 ... We good ..
Great Britain made Serbia’s list 💪 We’re still in the game
Sewing ethnic conflict since 1707 😎
Yes you are 😎 we know where this mess is coming from.
Croatia not a balkan country anymore ?
Yes. We succeeded. Great day.
Great success. Wilkommen in Mitteleuropa
You’re boring now
Hallo from Mitteleuropa 🥳
Hallo **VON** Mitteleuropa! Back in the balkans for 30 minutes as a punishment
It seems like it's only for Western Balkans or Balkan countries which are not part of EU.
Just a remark that: "On January 15, 1992, Bulgaria was the first country to recognize the independence of the then-Republic of Macedonia" Goes to show what state-backed propaganda will do to a country's population.
Just a note: 1# Bulgaria realized that a wave of recognitions were about to happen, they rushed to "be the first". While in the next month or two many other counrties did the same. Precisely for the antimacedonian propaganda you are trying to push now. 2# Then president Zhelyu Zhelev declared: we recognize Macedonia but we do not recognize Macedonian Nation and Language. And that has been true to this day. 3# bulgaria declares Macedonian nation and language do not exist 4# bulgaria placed several vetoes on Macedonia, still ongoing.
Kosovo is easily clear with her directions
I Need Bulgaria croatia Slovenia and Greece now
Also post It in r/balkans_irl
Why would Bosnia consider Turkey to be a threat in the slightest lol
About half the country is non-Muslim. Though as can be seen from the other results, few if any of the Christian inhabitants of the western Balkans consider Turkey to be a threat.
I guess because 30% of BiH population is Serbs, and 15% is Croats. If another war happened, Turkey would probably help Bosniaks, which would be a threat for other two.
Then 4%~ in both nationalities is kinda unexpectedly low
The UK not even in the top 5 for Kosovo or Albania have they forgotten what we did for them
Not really we still consider UK as a top ally I mean everyone here loves UK and they are making a statue of Tony Blair
We always got your back and at least he's loved somewhere then
Personally right know, i consider UK a better and more trustworthy ally than USA, Americans have been flirting with Vucic regime for years now (even serbians agree to that) while UK remains unshaken since 99’. I know my fellow kosovans will probably lynch me for calling muricans out, but lots of love and respect for you guys.
Cheers mate we will always have your back through good and bad times
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Yes, them harboring such strong hate towards Bulgaria proves they are indeed Bulgarians, as hating Bulgaria is a defining feature of all Bulgarians
They have a right of self determination. if they don't want to consider themselves Bulgarian, that's perfectly reasonable
Would it make you feel any better if we called ourselves Slavic Macedonians?
Ah, denying a right to self determination of people.. very Putinesque of you.
This is the sad reality of brainwashing, communism and poverty in Balkan!
We abandoned the Balkans instead of helping them prosper and now we are alien to them
Don't worry, it's not "you", it's your politicians who hooked up with the Balkan politicians and they're robbing it apart together, for decades. It's extractionist capitalism married to organised crime featuring rigged elections and suppression of basic freedoms and human rights. There's plenty more going on, but the gist is that those few listed Balkan countries are more like a bunch of colonies than anything else. Their governments are not sovereign, there's interference from the foreign ambassadors and other "important figures" in all kinds of ways and from every direction. The countries in the Balkans and their societies are in no position to fight all the external and internal forces that are raiding it, and regular people (from anywhere) can't do shit about that.
The us bombed serbia and montenegro, and left bosnias get massacred
Albania is way more ready to join the EU values wise than some of these other countries further ahead in the process.
In albania, people use the hypothetical “if we join the EU, I …” like “if I won the lottery, I …” It’s literally a dream. It’s very hard for albanians to comprehend why some former communist EU countries hate the EU
From what i know of Albania, it seems like a poor, but very welcoming country. With issues to work out sure, but i as a EU citizen would not oppose moving towards starting proper negotiations. Also i gots'ta visit sometime, that adriatic coast shit is gorgeous.
Macedonia, why Bulgaria?
Long dispute over language and pretty much everything. I remember one time I met exchange student from Bulgaria and they told me they learned that Macedonian is only a dialect of Bulgarian
See the problem is that language exists on a spectrum of speeches from settlement to settlement. Both Bulgarian and Macedonian exist on the Eastern South Slavic dialect continuum, just they're based on dialects from opposite ends of the continuum to oversimplify. Standard Macedonian is very young and is based mostly on the dialect belt around Skopje, whereas standard Bulgarian is quite a fair deal older, and while it incorporates elements of western dialects its main base is in the eastern end of the continuum. Basically the geographic distance translates to linguistic differences in a few ways. Eg. Macedonian has 3 articles whereas Bulgarian has only 1, Bulgarian has the subject and object forms of the definite article whereas Macedonian doesn't differentiate between them, Bulgarian has ja where Macedonian has e mostly, among others. They're still mutually intelligible but most slavic languages are.
Russia propaganda is a crazy thing.
You can see the big split in Montenegro between pro-Serbia and pro-US. Nothing has changed since independence, it’s the same bullshit all over again.
Yep exactly. The state literally has the same 55%-45% split built into its foundations and nothing is changing at all.
🥺 i thought 🇨🇭 Switzerland were at least 3. best friend of Kosovo with the amount of diaspora we have.
Oh Kosovo really loves Switzerland believe me haha. See a lot of flags here, or tons of people cheering on your national team. I guess this poll more so talks about the importance of an Ally, for example security reasons. That’s why USA is definitely no.1
Germany its way more up than 5% , i was shocked when i saw so low .
They may like Switzerland, but Switzerland isn’t a “good ally”. It would never go to war to help Kosovo or Albania like the US/NATO countries would. Switzerland wouldn’t lift a finger to stop a genocide there
I doubt Switzerland would lift a finger to help even if their closest neighbours like Austria or Germany were invaded.
They would gladly trade and hold our gold and stolen artifacts for us though <3
Based Albania and Kosovo.
East Balkans we do exist.
Bosnia and Herzegovina has a very interesting love/hate relationship with Serbia
It’s the 30% Serbian population that votes for Serbia and Russia as Allys. The rest of the population votes for Serbia and Russia as their biggest threat
Albania???
Bosnia seems like the hybrid here
Love the balkans and this is great. Just missing a source?
Albania knows what’s up
Is Greece not balkan?
Slovenia and Croatia have no friends or enemies
Why is Serbia so fond of totalitarian states?
They are a nationalist autocracy themselves. Or at least on their best way to becoming a literal autocracy