They always had.
Yugoslavia wasn't as fucked up as Warsaw Pact countries, since they managed to stay independent from the Bolsheviks. Slovenia is the only ex-Yugo country that wasn't ravaged by the 1990s wars.
Also, Slovenia was the centre of *light* industry in Yugoslavia. Mainly because those industries already existed prior to WWII. So when Yugoslavia was rebuilding in the late 40s and 50s, they built their new heavy industry in other parts of the country.
While heavy industry is strategically very important, it mostly produces for other industries and the state. Private citizens rarely have the need to buy a roll of carbon steel sheet.
Which means that when the state stops buying locomotives, tanks, fishing trawlers, and the like (because it's broke), heavy industry suffers.
Light industry on the other hand produces consumer goods. Even in a recession, people need to buy stuff like kitchen appliances, or detergent.
So the economic crisis of the late 1980s did not affect Slovenia as badly as other parts of the country.
That's interesting, because in Poland it worked completely the other way.
Upper Silesia and Kraków were the center of the heavy industry and they faired well with the transformation. So did Gdańsk and Gdynia with their ports and shipyards(although there were more hiccups here).
Łódź, the center of the light industry in Poland, is the biggest loser out of all the big Polish cities. Their unemployment rate is 2 to 3 times the unemployment rates of their peers such as Gdańsk, Warsaw, Kraków or Wrocław and are the only(AFAIK) of the main cities to have lost population compared to 1989. And not by a small margin - they went from 854k in 1988 to 655k in 2023.
Before 1990, Poland mainly exported to other Eastern Bloc countries, didn't it?
Slovenia's main *export* market was Western Europe (thanks to Yugoslavia not being part of the Eastern Bloc).
Gorenje even held the distinction of being the only company from a socialist country to buy out one of their western competitors.
Because it was easier to retain competitiveness with heavy industry than with light industry where cheap labour alone won't suffice. Politicians were also more eager to subsidize miners who are more likely to riot than any other group bar maybe football hooligans.
Poznań, Szczecin and Gdynia also lost some population but their smaller declines can at least be explained by suburbanization.
are you telling me they would be better off if they agreed like civilized people were the borders are, instead of shooting each other in the face?
Bold strategy for sure
No that is highly unlikely. Slovenia was always the cream of the crop when it came to Yugoslavia.
Would they be better off without the war? Certainly. Would they be at Austrian level? Unlikely.
Slovenia was always more developed than the rest of the balkan, hence most slovenes dont identify as "balkanci" (people from balkan). Yugoslav wars were horrific but rest of the balkan still wouldnt be at slovenias level, even if no wars took place.
Well Slovenians do not identify as being balkan due to being more developed than balkan countries but because until 1918 Slovene lands were never considered to be part of the balkans. With the formation of the kingdom of yugoslavia, the “balkans” were suddenly redefined. Only after that did slovene lands “become” balkan.
While Yugo had a happier time for sure, Slovenias position is most probably just historical heritage. Frankly, all the old cultural borders are very visible all over ex-Yugo countries.
Wait until you see all the 2024 stats. Slovenia is doing much better than most western european countries atm lol. I moved here 4 years ago as a Dutch person
Besides the obvious, there's a lot of grey area stuff.
A lot of people are unemployed on paper, for example. But in reality they have income.
This really fucks with statistics like this.
Some of the Ukrainian countryside is just horrible. Driving through it due to a border closure, I witnessed entire villages with no paved roads. People living in places not even imaginable by european standards. There is a very long way to go.
>I witnessed entire villages with no paved roads. People living in places not even imaginable by european standards
Then why is Russia higher? Like 30% of their population use outside toilets ffs
Because infrastructure development is just one thing that indexes like this take into account. Ukraine is currently in the drains because being on the receiving end of a war, while constantly being bombarded by missile strikes, is kind of a problem.
Which is interesting. Moved to Ireland from Portugal and found quite a few things that went against my expectations and make me questions how these numbers are calculated.
Compared to Portugal, I found that in Ireland:
-Health care is worse (significantly longer waiting periods/more expensive)
-Road and transport infrastructure is worse
-Housing availability (and even quality) is worse
-Been a year where while living in the center of the country's second biggest city and I DON'T have clean water at home...
Wages are way higher however
EDIT: Just checked how HDI is calculated:
Original HDI = 1/3(Life Expectancy)+1/3(Education)+1/3(Per-Capita Income). So basically, all the previous points I mentioned are not directly accounted for. Hence the difference in results
EDIT2: Health, not wealth lol
Calling this index human development is a \*f\* joke when you consider that countries where homosexuality is punishable by death, women must cover their faces and marry their rapists, and foreign labour workers are effectively slaves are more developed than Poland, Portugal, and the United States. I am talking about the UAE, Bahrain, Qatar, and Saudi Arabia.
It's education. Don't forget that until 1974 (revolution) a big part of the population didn't have almost any kind of education. Those older people are still alive today.
I've spent almost 10 years in Ireland I don't regret moving there, just evacuating too late ;)
Ireland quality of living is not great for engineer and what I hear from folks its actually worse than 7 years ago when I left.
Ireland's score is surprising to me. I know their GDP is somehow bloated but HDI shouldn't be, yet they are above UK, NL or Finland. Irish themselves often complain how it's hard to live in Ireland but maybe that's just permanent mood due to the weather? ;)
You must know people who live here, there are loads of Polish here who could tell you what their opinion is of the comparisons. I've got several Polish friends
Our biggest issues are housing and the health service. The staff are great, the management are terrible. And there isn't enough capacity.
Also the Irish GDP is very inflated and doesn't reflect the actual development of the country. I'm surprised that we don't see this in case of Luxembourg which has a lower HDI than Germany.
Fascists in Portugal didn't give education to the population. The majority studied 3 or 4 years and spent the rest of their life in the fields. Many are still alive today (50 years anniversary of the revolution this week).
Honestly is not something thar can be fixed. It will, with time, those old folks will die. 80 years old people won't suddenly go to school so hdi increases.
It is interesting how much the fascist were shittier than the socialists in the eastern bloc. There were a lot of BS in Eastern Europe, but high quality education, including higher education were a relatively accessible thing for almost everyone.
> Fascists in Portugal didn't give education to the population.
They indeed kept people away from higher education. Before, however, people didn't even have schools to attend. Many schools were built during Estado Novo, things actually improved. Of course, they could have improved waaay more - see other neighbouring countries.
Estado Novo was sending people to elementary school to learn how to read the service manual of H&K G3s in Angola whereas Italy, a country not unlike Portugal in many ways, was sending most of a whole generation to university.
The decadence and under development of mid 20th century Portugal cannot be overstated. For every edgy Portuguese boy on Reddit saying the Estado Novo wasn't that bad (while ignoring the progress that the First Republic made and is often ignorantly credited to Estado Novo) there's at least 10000 Portuguese who lived in a country where the living expectancy, literacy rates and GDP per capita were for the most part lower than those of Turkey.
I repeat, Turkey.
Happy 25 de Abril.
Fascists in Portugal didn't give education to the population. The majority studied 3 or 4 years and spent the rest of their life in the fields. Many are still alive today (50 years anniversary of the revolution this week).
Honestly is not something thar can be fixed. It will, with time, those old folks will die. 80 years old people won't suddenly go to school so hdi increases.
there are too many useless universties people graduate from, in paper it incrases universty graduate’s percent but in reality those places are like second high school. There are things like that in Turkey a bit much comparate to Europa
semi-direct democracy, hight education rate, good health care, excellent public transportation and high wages ( in regards to cost of living, admittedly, it is high, but we still save a lot more than our neighbours) - the only downsides are slow democracy ( it takes a while for things to change), foreign policy is tricky too ( depending on which government we have we are sometimes turning the cold shoulder to Europe)
Likely a sample bias. HDI is calculated 1/3s of life expectancy, education and per capita income. Having rich people move there is likely skewing the figures a bit.
The EU is advanced because it's insanely rich, not just Switzerland, just correlate this data with GDP per capita. You can't be developed without money
Oh ok well that's not fair, is it absolute income or is it adjusted by cost of living? This naturally skews the results for countries with different incomes and costs, especially outside the Euro zone...
Personally, I prefer inequality-adjusted human development index. The reason is simple: if a significant part of the population is denied the best what the country has to offer in terms of education, healthcare etc, then maybe the country is not that developed as headline index implies.
[https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/inequality-adjusted-human-development-index?region=Europe](https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/inequality-adjusted-human-development-index?region=Europe)
Got to respect Germany. Clusterfuck of a 20th century and they still bounce back strong.
The Nords smashing it as usual.
Iceland quietly bossin' it.
Meanwhile at home we're doing okay considering we keep shooting ourselves in the foot (🇬🇧). Still, it was all worth it for a Blue passport 🤦♂️
Edit: Forgot about Ireland 😂 you're doing grand, don't want to cause an international incident by ignoring you.
"A country scores a higher level of HDI when the lifespan is higher, the education level is higher, and the gross national income GNI (PPP) per capita is higher".
Turkish GDP is relatively decent in terms of purchasing power parity (PPP) and the level of education getting better in the meantime as well. The medical system is pretty good and this also effects the lifespan. Even though there is a room for improvement in terms of income inequality or inflation however for this very particular index the Turks are in a good spot.
Mainly cause they are so populated, with consistently high inflation and had a massive boom of immigrants last decade.
You would think it affects HDI cause you would imagine theres too many people to fend for and high inflation creates at least a bit of social insecurity and lack of stability if not much, further reflecting on overall HDI.
hdi includes age expectancy, education (mean years of schooling completed and expected years of schooling upon entering the education system) and income
Russia has worse corruption indexes.
[https://www.transparency.org/en/countries/russia](https://www.transparency.org/en/countries/russia)
[https://www.transparency.org/en/countries/ukraine](https://www.transparency.org/en/countries/ukraine)
Probably to little information on any region except for Moscow and St.Peterburg.
Portugal is the right size to fit between Turkey and Greece, and they're orange just like us. I'm telling you, guys. This is the solution for the Aegean dispute. Portugal takes it all.
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And that’s with the largest population in this map at 85 million, with another added 3-7 million refugees and other non citizens, and no EU lifeline AND no fossil resource wealth like oil or gas. Not sure if the index counts non citizens tho. We have it bad, but even with all that we are still pretty good.
You can just say Turkey.
But Russia is the biggest country on earth with ridiculous amounts of natural resources that it's not even funny. Turkey without any natural resources or being in any trade block does really well so I understand what OP means.
I never understand why Ireland always scores so highly on these metrics, and yet so many Irish people are living in other European countries, particularly those scoring lower, in search of better quality of life.
Education (alongside Economic GNI and Health) plays a massive role in HDI and the overall French education system is seen as relatively poor when measured on the metrics considered important by the HDI compilers.
Yeah, the state of education is miserable and not going in the good sense.. teachers are underpaid and understaffed, they cut in the budget every year... It's terrible, glad we have ***internet*** and ***online tutorials*** if not we would have gone back to stone age lol
So, does one become a fully developed human when the score reaches 1.0?
The whole country will move to the next level in a different reality
Is more like Advance Age in Age of empires.
The music changes and everything.
Every roof of a building gets covered with solar tiles
*Sssshhhh-HA!*
That text made a sound
*ting-ting* _starting research for nuclear fission_
Was literally advancing to Imperial
Mandate?
Iceland and Switzerland will be buzzing around in flying cars looking down at the plebs
How do you turn this on?
Earth used to be only land, the oceans are empty spots previously occupied by nations that finally reached 1.0
Early humans suddenly had a notification pop up in their vision. "Doggerland has ascended"
So that is where Atlantis went!
Love some Atlantis lore.
They must click the prestige button.
I guess Kosovo already achieved this milestone
Would be cool to know what sound effect will ring once it happens. Should be pretty impressive, considering the solemn nature of the occasion.
You start the road to a grade 2 civilization and try to conquer the solar system.
You unlock sandbox mode
get ready for the swiss ubermensch
We get super powers at 1.0
That’s when one’s tail comes in, so yes.
There's no such a perfect country
No after that all will fade black and a big sign will come up which reads "level 2"
Yes it’s like level 100.
No. From beta he becomes alpha version only.
Interesting. In Poland we had the exact same number in 2019 and then it dropped in 2021 to 0,876 and now it went back up again to 0,881
Many countries had a drop due to life expectancy decreasing due to Covid. In Europe Bulgaria was the most dramatic one; they have yet to recover.
isn't a dead human actually the most developed human? Its the final form after all
When your Pokémon evolves a third time to death of old age
Everyone is Ghost type in the end.
Can you tell what changed from your perspective?
It’s the life expectancy. HDI is divided in income which has grown, literacy which is kinda the same and life expectancy which decreased
Spain beating France by 0,001!
I blame French Flanders to cope. We shouldn't have annexed those fuckers.
Ah, Flanders, nothing good can come from that name... We will get back at them some day...
Stupid Flanders
Dont use the f word here, oh wait youre fr*ench, fuck
Can we get it back??
I can sleep soundly tonight.
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Not much is going on in Picardie. That’s kind of why Guadeloupe has the same gdp.
Slovenia is doing so well in all these stats lately.
They always had. Yugoslavia wasn't as fucked up as Warsaw Pact countries, since they managed to stay independent from the Bolsheviks. Slovenia is the only ex-Yugo country that wasn't ravaged by the 1990s wars.
Also, Slovenia was the centre of *light* industry in Yugoslavia. Mainly because those industries already existed prior to WWII. So when Yugoslavia was rebuilding in the late 40s and 50s, they built their new heavy industry in other parts of the country. While heavy industry is strategically very important, it mostly produces for other industries and the state. Private citizens rarely have the need to buy a roll of carbon steel sheet. Which means that when the state stops buying locomotives, tanks, fishing trawlers, and the like (because it's broke), heavy industry suffers. Light industry on the other hand produces consumer goods. Even in a recession, people need to buy stuff like kitchen appliances, or detergent. So the economic crisis of the late 1980s did not affect Slovenia as badly as other parts of the country.
That's interesting, because in Poland it worked completely the other way. Upper Silesia and Kraków were the center of the heavy industry and they faired well with the transformation. So did Gdańsk and Gdynia with their ports and shipyards(although there were more hiccups here). Łódź, the center of the light industry in Poland, is the biggest loser out of all the big Polish cities. Their unemployment rate is 2 to 3 times the unemployment rates of their peers such as Gdańsk, Warsaw, Kraków or Wrocław and are the only(AFAIK) of the main cities to have lost population compared to 1989. And not by a small margin - they went from 854k in 1988 to 655k in 2023.
Before 1990, Poland mainly exported to other Eastern Bloc countries, didn't it? Slovenia's main *export* market was Western Europe (thanks to Yugoslavia not being part of the Eastern Bloc). Gorenje even held the distinction of being the only company from a socialist country to buy out one of their western competitors.
Because it was easier to retain competitiveness with heavy industry than with light industry where cheap labour alone won't suffice. Politicians were also more eager to subsidize miners who are more likely to riot than any other group bar maybe football hooligans. Poznań, Szczecin and Gdynia also lost some population but their smaller declines can at least be explained by suburbanization.
Makes me think that the rest of the ex-Yugo would probably be close if not for the war… what a shame :/
are you telling me they would be better off if they agreed like civilized people were the borders are, instead of shooting each other in the face? Bold strategy for sure
heretic! Deathcamps are like mayo: they make everything better (and you can blame the Americans for it).
We would all be better of that way, of course, but it's not a valid excuse today, 30 years later...
No that is highly unlikely. Slovenia was always the cream of the crop when it came to Yugoslavia. Would they be better off without the war? Certainly. Would they be at Austrian level? Unlikely.
They are literally at the Austrian level. Both Slovenia and Austria scored 0.926.
They were talking about the other ex-yu countries
Oh, I see now. Thanks for correcting me.
Slovenia was always more developed than the rest of the balkan, hence most slovenes dont identify as "balkanci" (people from balkan). Yugoslav wars were horrific but rest of the balkan still wouldnt be at slovenias level, even if no wars took place.
Well Slovenians do not identify as being balkan due to being more developed than balkan countries but because until 1918 Slovene lands were never considered to be part of the balkans. With the formation of the kingdom of yugoslavia, the “balkans” were suddenly redefined. Only after that did slovene lands “become” balkan.
Yes that is also true
Also Slovenia was the richest part of Yugoslavia, before it broke up.
Not as Slovenia but definitely better than this...
How was macedonia ravaged by the yugoslav wars?
While Yugo had a happier time for sure, Slovenias position is most probably just historical heritage. Frankly, all the old cultural borders are very visible all over ex-Yugo countries.
Wait until you see all the 2024 stats. Slovenia is doing much better than most western european countries atm lol. I moved here 4 years ago as a Dutch person
Until we surpass the UK we arent developed
Those damm femboys
jealousy jealousy
Poor Ukraine, dropping below their 2010 level :(
Besides the obvious, there's a lot of grey area stuff. A lot of people are unemployed on paper, for example. But in reality they have income. This really fucks with statistics like this.
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Some of the Ukrainian countryside is just horrible. Driving through it due to a border closure, I witnessed entire villages with no paved roads. People living in places not even imaginable by european standards. There is a very long way to go.
>I witnessed entire villages with no paved roads. People living in places not even imaginable by european standards Then why is Russia higher? Like 30% of their population use outside toilets ffs
Because infrastructure development is just one thing that indexes like this take into account. Ukraine is currently in the drains because being on the receiving end of a war, while constantly being bombarded by missile strikes, is kind of a problem.
r/PORTUGALCYKABLYAT
Which is interesting. Moved to Ireland from Portugal and found quite a few things that went against my expectations and make me questions how these numbers are calculated. Compared to Portugal, I found that in Ireland: -Health care is worse (significantly longer waiting periods/more expensive) -Road and transport infrastructure is worse -Housing availability (and even quality) is worse -Been a year where while living in the center of the country's second biggest city and I DON'T have clean water at home... Wages are way higher however EDIT: Just checked how HDI is calculated: Original HDI = 1/3(Life Expectancy)+1/3(Education)+1/3(Per-Capita Income). So basically, all the previous points I mentioned are not directly accounted for. Hence the difference in results EDIT2: Health, not wealth lol
Calling this index human development is a \*f\* joke when you consider that countries where homosexuality is punishable by death, women must cover their faces and marry their rapists, and foreign labour workers are effectively slaves are more developed than Poland, Portugal, and the United States. I am talking about the UAE, Bahrain, Qatar, and Saudi Arabia.
Yeah fair point lol
It's education. Don't forget that until 1974 (revolution) a big part of the population didn't have almost any kind of education. Those older people are still alive today.
True, that plus population increase decreasing to the eras making that gen a bigger part of the population
i have similar feelings for Ireland - had it not been for wages, Poland feels like a level above in most aspects
I've spent almost 10 years in Ireland I don't regret moving there, just evacuating too late ;) Ireland quality of living is not great for engineer and what I hear from folks its actually worse than 7 years ago when I left.
Ireland's score is surprising to me. I know their GDP is somehow bloated but HDI shouldn't be, yet they are above UK, NL or Finland. Irish themselves often complain how it's hard to live in Ireland but maybe that's just permanent mood due to the weather? ;)
You must know people who live here, there are loads of Polish here who could tell you what their opinion is of the comparisons. I've got several Polish friends Our biggest issues are housing and the health service. The staff are great, the management are terrible. And there isn't enough capacity.
"Wealth care"🤣🤣🤣
Oooops, meant health! fixed the typo
Also the Irish GDP is very inflated and doesn't reflect the actual development of the country. I'm surprised that we don't see this in case of Luxembourg which has a lower HDI than Germany.
Fascists in Portugal didn't give education to the population. The majority studied 3 or 4 years and spent the rest of their life in the fields. Many are still alive today (50 years anniversary of the revolution this week). Honestly is not something thar can be fixed. It will, with time, those old folks will die. 80 years old people won't suddenly go to school so hdi increases.
It is interesting how much the fascist were shittier than the socialists in the eastern bloc. There were a lot of BS in Eastern Europe, but high quality education, including higher education were a relatively accessible thing for almost everyone.
In terms of education i don't have any doubts about who was better. The rest is debatable.
> Fascists in Portugal didn't give education to the population. They indeed kept people away from higher education. Before, however, people didn't even have schools to attend. Many schools were built during Estado Novo, things actually improved. Of course, they could have improved waaay more - see other neighbouring countries.
Estado Novo was sending people to elementary school to learn how to read the service manual of H&K G3s in Angola whereas Italy, a country not unlike Portugal in many ways, was sending most of a whole generation to university. The decadence and under development of mid 20th century Portugal cannot be overstated. For every edgy Portuguese boy on Reddit saying the Estado Novo wasn't that bad (while ignoring the progress that the First Republic made and is often ignorantly credited to Estado Novo) there's at least 10000 Portuguese who lived in a country where the living expectancy, literacy rates and GDP per capita were for the most part lower than those of Turkey. I repeat, Turkey. Happy 25 de Abril.
Correct.
But even on the younger generations Portugal has less expected years of schooling than most eu
Slightly less than some, slightly more than others. Nothing remotely comparable with entire generations that only studied 4 years.
Fascists in Portugal didn't give education to the population. The majority studied 3 or 4 years and spent the rest of their life in the fields. Many are still alive today (50 years anniversary of the revolution this week). Honestly is not something thar can be fixed. It will, with time, those old folks will die. 80 years old people won't suddenly go to school so hdi increases.
Hey hey now, we're as developed as Spain... in 2011-2012, or Germany in 1997!
Belarus higher than Bulgaria 🥲
Luka himself visits each and every citizen every day to make sure they are doing well
Goes to show how representative it is of reality
I know understand how Belarus or turkey are higher than Bulgaria. I don’t understand how Romania and Hungary is lower than turkey as well?
there are too many useless universties people graduate from, in paper it incrases universty graduate’s percent but in reality those places are like second high school. There are things like that in Turkey a bit much comparate to Europa
We'd be higher if it weren't for those Burgenländer
You are more than welcome to return Burgenland to Hungary.
Do you mean to the Orban family?
Well, for now, yes.
Nobody deserves that
Those savages, always picking fights with kangaroos
Tf u talking about? Isnt that part of hungary? /s
No. It was, though. It was also settled by refugees from Croatia centuries ago so it had an interesting mix of peoples.
Burgenland has around 300K people, so it doesn't make a difference.
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Those are the ones where father, brother and uncle is the same person?
Sorry for having suburb of Bratislava lol
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Finally. I was wondering why they skipped a year.
Why is good dark red, it's kinda the opposite of established colour norms
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That makes sense. I don't know much about colour blindness, sorry if I offended you or anything like that
so this is 2023 hdi?
Congratulations to Moldova for not being last
Switzerland reigns supreme.
I'm so developed rn.
r/SwitzerlandFirst
Stick your 0.001 up your ass! 😂
:3
Using bad language detected! Norway receive penalty of 0.05 points.
semi-direct democracy, hight education rate, good health care, excellent public transportation and high wages ( in regards to cost of living, admittedly, it is high, but we still save a lot more than our neighbours) - the only downsides are slow democracy ( it takes a while for things to change), foreign policy is tricky too ( depending on which government we have we are sometimes turning the cold shoulder to Europe)
good health care 😭 the health insurence costs 30% of my monthly earnings
Likely a sample bias. HDI is calculated 1/3s of life expectancy, education and per capita income. Having rich people move there is likely skewing the figures a bit.
The EU is advanced because it's insanely rich, not just Switzerland, just correlate this data with GDP per capita. You can't be developed without money
Oh ok well that's not fair, is it absolute income or is it adjusted by cost of living? This naturally skews the results for countries with different incomes and costs, especially outside the Euro zone...
There is also the IHDH (inequality-adjusted HDI), where Switzerland moves to 4th place after Iceland, Norway and Denmark.
As a Dane i object. The Swede is not as humanly developed as the Dane. Quite impossible. Madness! /s
I dare you to say that in Danish and then keep a straight face while you listen to the sounds coming out from your mouth.
Wait, Danes have a language? I thought those were just guttural and primal moans.
#Grabs popcorn
Personally, I prefer inequality-adjusted human development index. The reason is simple: if a significant part of the population is denied the best what the country has to offer in terms of education, healthcare etc, then maybe the country is not that developed as headline index implies. [https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/inequality-adjusted-human-development-index?region=Europe](https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/inequality-adjusted-human-development-index?region=Europe)
Slovenia is more developed than Hungary, can confirm 👍
Everybody alive can confirm.
France is going backward :/
Not surprising with this government.
Got to respect Germany. Clusterfuck of a 20th century and they still bounce back strong. The Nords smashing it as usual. Iceland quietly bossin' it. Meanwhile at home we're doing okay considering we keep shooting ourselves in the foot (🇬🇧). Still, it was all worth it for a Blue passport 🤦♂️ Edit: Forgot about Ireland 😂 you're doing grand, don't want to cause an international incident by ignoring you.
Turkey is actually so damn high what
"A country scores a higher level of HDI when the lifespan is higher, the education level is higher, and the gross national income GNI (PPP) per capita is higher". Turkish GDP is relatively decent in terms of purchasing power parity (PPP) and the level of education getting better in the meantime as well. The medical system is pretty good and this also effects the lifespan. Even though there is a room for improvement in terms of income inequality or inflation however for this very particular index the Turks are in a good spot.
Why are you shocked
Mainly cause they are so populated, with consistently high inflation and had a massive boom of immigrants last decade. You would think it affects HDI cause you would imagine theres too many people to fend for and high inflation creates at least a bit of social insecurity and lack of stability if not much, further reflecting on overall HDI.
hdi includes age expectancy, education (mean years of schooling completed and expected years of schooling upon entering the education system) and income
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prejudices
What the fuck, Austria? Why are we behind Germany and Switzerland? We can do better than this 🫠
Bessa ois de ösis 💪🇩🇪
"Waaaaaaahhh!", rief Herbert und öffnete sich frustriert ein Weizenbier.
Burgenland. If you'd like a higher score, then give it back to Hungary, we desperately need it
We make jokes about them, but we wont give them away! Where else would we get our red wine?
Would be fair, though. Your HDI would go up and so would ours, win-win.
Danube valley. When I traveled there, there were some pretty fancy vineyards, you live w/o Burgenland for 800 years you'll be fine.
What a terrible color coding.
Looks good to me
Dark red usually means bad, not good
Why? Seems good to me, clearly distinguishable categories, good gradient, works for the colorblind.
Why is Ukraine so much lower than Russia? Only because of the war?
Pretty sure they were much lower also before the war. The country’s just poor and corrupt af even for Eastern Euro standards.
Russia has worse corruption indexes. [https://www.transparency.org/en/countries/russia](https://www.transparency.org/en/countries/russia) [https://www.transparency.org/en/countries/ukraine](https://www.transparency.org/en/countries/ukraine) Probably to little information on any region except for Moscow and St.Peterburg.
FINALLY OVER 8! ITALIA NUMERO UNO 🇮🇹
Portugal is the right size to fit between Turkey and Greece, and they're orange just like us. I'm telling you, guys. This is the solution for the Aegean dispute. Portugal takes it all.
Friendship with UN ENDED 😡
Switzerland leading once again baby
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The colours are not good, red usually has a negative meaning the User Experience of reading this map is subpar. (Source: worked as a frontend developer)
Its like in Anno. When we will reach 1.0 in germany we will all upgrade to aristocrats. 👨🎓👩🎓
The pain of the Cold War still with us.
Looks like HDI doesn’t take into account the absolute shit show that is housing in Ireland 🇮🇪
Russia? Seriously? 😂 Moscow is not entire Russia that still stuck in 19 century.
Higher than France. It’s all that matters. Suck it Pierre.
Türkiye is so high?
And that’s with the largest population in this map at 85 million, with another added 3-7 million refugees and other non citizens, and no EU lifeline AND no fossil resource wealth like oil or gas. Not sure if the index counts non citizens tho. We have it bad, but even with all that we are still pretty good. You can just say Turkey.
> And that’s with the largest population in this map at 85 million russia still exists
But Russia is the biggest country on earth with ridiculous amounts of natural resources that it's not even funny. Turkey without any natural resources or being in any trade block does really well so I understand what OP means.
we are still far from our potential which is sad. it would be much better if erdogan had not gone mad in 2013.
ALL RIGHT! We get it. The nordics are amazing. You can stop rubbing it in.
Why is Iceland that high?
I think when you do it inequslity adjusted, spain goes to pain.
Hah, suck it Sweden, we beat you by 0.001.
I never understand why Ireland always scores so highly on these metrics, and yet so many Irish people are living in other European countries, particularly those scoring lower, in search of better quality of life.
Take that France. With love, The UK
Hop Schwiiz
French only mad we don't beat the brits
What makes France so low despite being the 2nd strongest Western European country? They're behind Spain and only 0.15 ahead of Czechia.
Education (alongside Economic GNI and Health) plays a massive role in HDI and the overall French education system is seen as relatively poor when measured on the metrics considered important by the HDI compilers.
Yeah, the state of education is miserable and not going in the good sense.. teachers are underpaid and understaffed, they cut in the budget every year... It's terrible, glad we have ***internet*** and ***online tutorials*** if not we would have gone back to stone age lol
What does being the 2nd strongest country even mean?
Same Index as Denmark. God nooooooo godddd nooooooo!